Cullen and Katie: Shifty eyes and constant lies | Part #25

[lovingthisforum]

Brooks shouldn't have been standing where he was. What if he lost his balance and fell forward? Thankfully, he only touched it with one finger!

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I cannot believe that she let him stand there right in front of the open, extremely hot stove. It's just basic knowledge and instinct, and it' no excuse that she thought Brooks knows not to touch it, especially after how she had been talking about it plus had been implying the opposite. She also let him touch the pan while heating up?? No! A very simple rule, always an absolute no. Once again Cullen had more common sense and was right in worrying about Brooks burning himself on the stove. Katie doesn't care, she probably thinks haha you're own fault. She was also quick to say he was alright but we all know gainsy feels so miserable.

It's also unfair to me that Gaines gets more money than Brooks and shows that they've been doing this for a longer time so that Gaines now has more money in her piggy bank and even has two of them, while Brooks has only one with less money. They are both still too small for having a difference in money in my opinion. Brooks can't help Gaines was "sick" and could help in the yard while he was at school. Brooks stood in his right in protesting in my opinion but Katie was strict to him, not with Gaines of course, I hate it. $3 for that little bit of shit Gaines did in the yard is also too much in my opinion (and if you really want my opinion I think she should get nothing). And buying this straw for the yard was another unnecessary thing they bought. If the leaves don't look good, then...clean them maybe!?? Also, did you see how Katie tried to convince Gaines and push the situation to order the thing Gaines wanted online instead of buying it in the store like she had said she wanted?? Miss shopping addict and speaking of wanting immediate gratification: then it's here tomorrow, like the woman who brought the other thing today. Which brings us on another thing they should get rid off to save money: Amazon Prime! Don't you pay for that? NOTHING NOTHING has changed. Katie is stupid beyond this universe. I hate it.

[lmmomSD]

The Prime depends on how they paid for it. You can either pay monthly, in which case, yes, they are foolish to keep it, or you can pay up front for the whole year. My BFF gets me a Prime membership every year for Christmas. It costs more to pay monthly than to pay it for the whole year. And if they are paying it monthly, it's very foolish. They shouldn't be shopping for stuff at Amazon to begin with. End of story.

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[Coletrain_04]

Oh Cullen and Katie....... (also hi guys! Lol)

So.. flat out, I stopped watching them a long long time ago. They bored the shit out of me and honestly I have completely stopped watching all the “mommy vloggers” and really still don’t watch them. I will say that this Debt Disaster has brought me back. I haven’t watched the latest video yet.

My overall opinion is good for them for being transparent and coming back down to fucking earth. I enjoy this new openness (however open they my really be, I mean... we can’t assume they are being 100% with this, but I will say that I feel like I’m watching the “old” Cullen and Katie again.

I feel bad for Cullen, still.... bc I still think he is willing and ready to tell ALL and hold nothing back, but Katie is still worried about what others say about her and what she’s really being truthful about.

They are for sure in over their head and I have been reading here on the regular since this first started. I agree for the most part that they are still spending money on small frivolous things, BUT... I have to give them credit where credit is due, they have MAJORLY cut back on the spending and while it’s not perfect yet I think we can all agree they are being better with their money than they were 1-2 years ago. My thought is that it takes time to relearn old habits and this is what? Month 2? They haven’t gotten the budget perfect, and they still are making mistakes but, I have to admit they are on the right track as least.

They have got to sell that house FAST or they will be packing up boxes for a move very very soon. Did their get current include catching up on mortgage payments? Bc if not foreclosure proceedings will be happening very soon.

They, well really Katie, has always been a know it all. Passes is e aggressive, entitled and just snobby to me. I agree that it takes a long time to change spending habits. But they have lied and not been up front about several things in the past. I don’t appreciate the whole...”it’s our life and we will only share with we are comfortable with”. Blah blah blah. It’s that she can’t handle criticism. She doesn’t want to be told she’s wrong.

In one video, she said something like trying to make their situation seem normal...no college debt, drives a nice car, money etc...girl you’re not relatable. You’re spoiled!!!

Katie from back in the garage apt and even the old house wasn’t the Katie that has lived in this new house. At least not on camera. This Katie is everything you say she is. I can see small bits of that Katie coming back, but she’s still very concerned with appearances and making sure she is never at fault and throwing Cullen under the bus.

I didn’t mean they collected the debit overnight or didn’t wait until things were desperate before coming back down to earth. What I’m saying is this is month 2 of the whole Dave Ramsey money shift and I think they are doing ok so far. Perfect? No. Needs improvement? 100% but I can’t sit here and say they aren’t being at least a great deal more responsible with the money they do have.

In the end, they owe us as viewers nothing. They are definitely entitled to whatever privacy they want, and can share as little or as much as they choose. While I definitely enjoy the amount of transparency they are choosing to share (bc it’s not like this is the norm in the family vlogger circle, and for sure not the circle they run/ran with) they have zero obligation to viewers on what they are comfortable sharing. Any public figure at any capacity or “fame” level has a right to whatever privacy they feel comfortable with. This has been a long standing opinion of mine.

I never know if I do the reply thing right. Haha. I understand privacy. I get that. When did you stop watching them? I use to like them and felt like they were relatable to a certain degree. Then they started to change or started to show their true colors. Not sure which one. I just feel like she’s always been condensing for a lonnnng time. They have serious issues. Not just financial. They unload crap to their viewers and then never truly address things again. Everything is glossed over. Drugs? Alcohol? Addiction? We don’t need details. But I think it’s unfair to share your life with the internet and say you’re real and relatable, but you’re not. I do give them props for sharing actual numbers. But then I’m like are they actual numbers? Lol. I just don’t believe a word out of Katie’s mouth? She’s so busy emailing brands to get their payments, but they have a manager? Wouldn’t that be the managers job with emailing brands about deals and payments?

The way she treats Brooks is awful. You can tell there’s some resentment there. Which is understandable when you had PPD. But it’s been how many years? Maybe it’s because of the whole southern thing. Where they live and appearances. She can easily justify purchases for her and Gaines, but not Cullen and Brooks. She does every single video. It’s annoying.

I hope they are changing. But skipping out on multiple for months??? I think Cullen realizes how serious everything is. I think Katie keeps glossing over everything.

And talking about their dog who has anxiety. Take our animals out on a proper walk every single day. End of story.

I guess I’m that fan that is upset becomes I use to really like them. I want them to go back to the old Katie and Cullen. But that was the Cullen who was getting pills from his neighbor in Florida? It’s all just an illusion.

[Boymomma123]

The Prime depends on how they paid for it. You can either pay monthly, in which case, yes, they are foolish to keep it, or you can pay up front for the whole year. My BFF gets me a Prime membership every year for Christmas. It costs more to pay monthly than to pay it for the whole year. And if they are paying it monthly, it's very foolish. They shouldn't be shopping for stuff at Amazon to begin with. End of story.

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I am sure Katie is using those amazon gift cards to fulfill her shopping addiction! She has a justification for every choice they make so I am sure she will have a reason for whatever she buys. I agree a prime subscription is something else that should have been cut. At least until the house sells they need to cut out every non essential expense. I know everyone likes to bring up how it has only been two months and they have made a lot of changes but they don't have time to ease into a new lifestyle. They can't afford their mortgage and are getting closer and closer to losing their home.

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[lmmomSD]

I didn't say what I meant to say clearly. I meant to say that if they already paid for the Prime membership for the year, it would be ok to keep it. As long as they cancel it before it renews lol. They can get free movies and ditch Netflix. If they are paying monthly, then yes, they should absolutely get rid of it.

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[HelloSweetie]

I agree they don’t have time to make slow process. They need to have stopped overspending MONTHS AGO. It’s time to stop acting like spoiled, entitled children and to start acting like adults. They need to dig themselves out of the hole they are in, not just slow the pace with which they consume more debt.

Sure we can be overly critical of YTers on these boards, but I don’t think this is a case of that. I think some people aren’t alarmed enough, and it makes me wonder if they are actually defending their own financial decisions.

We aren’t talking about minor debt here. C&K are close to losing their house. That leaves no room for unnecessary purchases, no matter how necessary Katie may feel they are. They should be living on rice and beans at this point.


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[lmmomSD]

Not only are they in danger of losing their house, they refuse to do the very most basic thing to help themselves: GET A JOB. And they are still spending foolishly. Yes, it's only been 2 months that they have been talking about this, and no, nobody's perfect; but refusing to get a job and insisting on celebrating "holidays" like St. Patrick's Day and Valentine's Day and keeping up appearances while not paying the mortgage, are big red flags.

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[Playsinrain]

I just don’t understand how they can be this far into debt and this close to not having a roof over their kids heads and be so calm about it.... hell, my husband and I haven’t been able to have our weekly antique auction (our main “breadwinning” job) in two weeks due to weather and construction on our building. I’m about as stressed as I can be bc we are behind (not actually behind, but behind on my payment schedule) two weeks on bills etc. thankfully we should be able to catch up and get back ahead and buy both my kids some birthday gifts (March 1st and 2nd respectfully, it’s like a tiny Christmas all over again. Lol)by next week but I’m still freaking out.

[Boymomma123]

I guess the really big difference I see between them and the average american like myself that also has debt is I can still pay all of my bills. I am not behind on any payments and still have money leftover at the end of the month. Unfortunately, like many others I had to take out student loans and made some bad decisions and used credit cards here and there. This is not the situation C&K are in! They weren't even current on their bills and had to seek their possessions to try and catch up and get current! They have more money going out than they have coming in. Most people working to get out of debt can pick up a side job and dedicate most if not all of that money to their debt. C&K need a second job to afford their current lifestyle!

Sorry for the personal information but their situation is apples and oranges compared to many others working toward being debt free. I budget so that I can pay double on my student loans not because I am two mortgage payments away from losing my home. They cannot afford to splurge on anything! You can't make excuses for buying unnecessary junk when you are underwater on your mortgage.

Sorry for the long rant, these two just infuriate me. Two able bodied adults sitting in their house refusing to put in the effort is just insane.

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[chloe6124]

Katie clearly grew up in one of those southern families where your supposed to keep up appearances. Ever heard the song Mamas broken heart by Miranda Lambert.

I am still not sure I believe what they are saying. Are they making stuff up to try an increase views. Because if they are as bad off as they are saying they are both really stupid.


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[Playsinrain]

They, well really Katie, has always been a know it all. Passes is e aggressive, entitled and just snobby to me. I agree that it takes a long time to change spending habits. But they have lied and not been up front about several things in the past. I don’t appreciate the whole...”it’s our life and we will only share with we are comfortable with”. Blah blah blah. It’s that she can’t handle criticism. She doesn’t want to be told she’s wrong.

In one video, she said something like trying to make their situation seem normal...no college debt, drives a nice car, money etc...girl you’re not relatable. You’re spoiled!!!

Katie from back in the garage apt and even the old house wasn’t the Katie that has lived in this new house. At least not on camera. This Katie is everything you say she is. I can see small bits of that Katie coming back, but she’s still very concerned with appearances and making sure she is never at fault and throwing Cullen under the bus.

I didn’t mean they collected the debit overnight or didn’t wait until things were desperate before coming back down to earth. What I’m saying is this is month 2 of the whole Dave Ramsey money shift and I think they are doing ok so far. Perfect? No. Needs improvement? 100% but I can’t sit here and say they aren’t being at least a great deal more responsible with the money they do have.

In the end, they owe us as viewers nothing. They are definitely entitled to whatever privacy they want, and can share as little or as much as they choose. While I definitely enjoy the amount of transparency they are choosing to share (bc it’s not like this is the norm in the family vlogger circle, and for sure not the circle they run/ran with) they have zero obligation to viewers on what they are comfortable sharing. Any public figure at any capacity or “fame” level has a right to whatever privacy they feel comfortable with. This has been a long standing opinion of mine.

I never know if I do the reply thing right. Haha. I understand privacy. I get that. When did you stop watching them? I use to like them and felt like they were relatable to a certain degree. Then they started to change or started to show their true colors. Not sure which one. I just feel like she’s always been condensing for a lonnnng time. They have serious issues. Not just financial. They unload crap to their viewers and then never truly address things again. Everything is glossed over. Drugs? Alcohol? Addiction? We don’t need details. But I think it’s unfair to share your life with the internet and say you’re real and relatable, but you’re not. I do give them props for sharing actual numbers. But then I’m like are they actual numbers? Lol. I just don’t believe a word out of Katie’s mouth? She’s so busy emailing brands to get their payments, but they have a manager? Wouldn’t that be the managers job with emailing brands about deals and payments?

The way she treats Brooks is awful. You can tell there’s some resentment there. Which is understandable when you had PPD. But it’s been how many years? Maybe it’s because of the whole southern thing. Where they live and appearances. She can easily justify purchases for her and Gaines, but not Cullen and Brooks. She does every single video. It’s annoying.

I hope they are changing. But skipping out on multiple for months??? I think Cullen realizes how serious everything is. I think Katie keeps glossing over everything.

And talking about their dog who has anxiety. Take our animals out on a proper walk every single day. End of story.

I guess I’m that fan that is upset becomes I use to really like them. I want them to go back to the old Katie and Cullen. But that was the Cullen who was getting pills from his neighbor in Florida? It’s all just an illusion.

I stopped watching daily maybe.... 4-6 months after they moved into this house. I just got bored, but would watch occasionally. I had pretty much stopped watching when the addiction vlog dropped. I kept up with them for a couple months after that but honestly couldn’t tell you the last time I had watched before they came out with this debt disaster stuff. Now I’ve been watching regularly, just to get the juicy details and bc they have started to make me laugh again. While I feel like their life has went to shit, I kinda feel like their relationship with each other has improved?????? Idk if anyone will agree with me on that but they seem to at least tolerate each other more these days. Cullen doesn’t look so defeated and Katie doesn’t look as disgusted..... maybe they just know they can’t get out of this situation alone and have resolved to get along

[chloe6124]

I bever watched them routinely. The first vlog I did watch was from before they had kids. It was titled parking lot puppy rescue. They have changed so much.


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[rosie_dalia]

Amazon Prime is 100% worth the price because it saves a TON of money and time. I literally ordered some items I needed for work last night at 9 p.m. and they were at my house about noon today. I didn't even have to get out of my PJs, drive to a store, sit in traffic or wait in line. That's IDEAL on a weekend!!

EVERYONE on a budget should probably have Prime. It's totally worth the price just for convenience and the FREE shipping. Have you been to the post office lately?? Damn, shipping prices are bonkers! I also use Prime to send gifts so I can avoid USPS shipping charges.

Also, I hate having to get the 40-pound bag of litter from PetSmart, so I Prime it and they bring it to my door. It's literally the same price (or cheaper on Amazon). Life hack.

Amazon Prime is actually a smart move if you trying to save money. If you don't have to go to Target/Walmart/Publix/wherever, then you aren't likely buying rando things you didn't go there to buy.

[Catface2]

Why is he still buying shit for that fish tank? Why does he even still have it?

[HelloSweetie]

I stopped watching daily maybe.... 4-6 months after they moved into this house. I just got bored, but would watch occasionally. I had pretty much stopped watching when the addiction vlog dropped. I kept up with them for a couple months after that but honestly couldn’t tell you the last time I had watched before they came out with this debt disaster stuff. Now I’ve been watching regularly, just to get the juicy details and bc they have started to make me laugh again. While I feel like their life has went to shit, I kinda feel like their relationship with each other has improved?????? Idk if anyone will agree with me on that but they seem to at least tolerate each other more these days. Cullen doesn’t look so defeated and Katie doesn’t look as disgusted..... maybe they just know they can’t get out of this situation alone and have resolved to get along

They always get along better when they are drinking. Alcohol has unfortunately been a part of their lives again for awhile now.



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[Coletrain_04]

I stopped watching daily maybe.... 4-6 months after they moved into this house. I just got bored, but would watch occasionally. I had pretty much stopped watching when the addiction vlog dropped. I kept up with them for a couple months after that but honestly couldn’t tell you the last time I had watched before they came out with this debt disaster stuff. Now I’ve been watching regularly, just to get the juicy details and bc they have started to make me laugh again. While I feel like their life has went to shit, I kinda feel like their relationship with each other has improved?????? Idk if anyone will agree with me on that but they seem to at least tolerate each other more these days. Cullen doesn’t look so defeated and Katie doesn’t look as disgusted..... maybe they just know they can’t get out of this situation alone and have resolved to get along

They always get along better when they are drinking. Alcohol has unfortunately been a part of their lives again for awhile now.

Yes. The amount of drinking they did/do makes me sad for their kids. I think Cullen really struggles with depression and addiction and he’s never been allowed to truly seek help for it. Katie talks about Co dependency blah blah blah blah...but I think she can be a master manipulator herself.

Sorry to be hating on her so much recently.



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[lmmomSD]

Amazon Prime is 100% worth the price because it saves a TON of money and time. I literally ordered some items I needed for work last night at 9 p.m. and they were at my house about noon today. I didn't even have to get out of my PJs, drive to a store, sit in traffic or wait in line. That's IDEAL on a weekend!!

EVERYONE on a budget should probably have Prime. It's totally worth the price just for convenience and the FREE shipping. Have you been to the post office lately?? Damn, shipping prices are bonkers! I also use Prime to send gifts so I can avoid USPS shipping charges.

Also, I hate having to get the 40-pound bag of litter from PetSmart, so I Prime it and they bring it to my door. It's literally the same price (or cheaper on Amazon). Life hack.

Amazon Prime is actually a smart move if you trying to save money. If you don't have to go to Target/Walmart/Publix/wherever, then you aren't likely buying rando things you didn't go there to buy.

As long as they are buying things they actually need, I agree with you. I love Prime, because I can get things I need that are harder to find, with free shipping. For instance, my daughter works at Goodwill and a lot of the clothes she processes have fleas and other little biting bugs. She wears one of those Off clip on repellents and the refills are hard to find. I can order them through Prime.
But I can see Katie buying frivolous things because her definition of want vs need is skewed.

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[Boymomma123]

Obviously there is a benefit to having prime if they are using it for items they actually need. But Katie does seem to have a problem with shopping and thinks most things she wants are things she needs.

I love prime and use it often but if you cannot afford your mortgage you need every last penny you can find. C&K are in a very different situation than most of us and if they are still behind on their mortgage they are in some serious trouble.

Gaines is wearing the same pajamas in Katie's Instagram post again! It's just so gross to me, change your kid!

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[kaper]

Can anyone clarify the foreclosure process? My understanding is when a homeowner gets too far behind on mortgage payments (3 months ?) the bank will foreclose/take possession, of the house. At that point, the homeowner no longer gets to sell it on their own. The bank will sell it or put it up for auction and is willing to settle for the principle owed. The homeowner is still liable for any interest, late payment fees and administration costs left on the contract signed at the time of purchase. If this is correct, K & C will be facing bankruptcy to get out of just the mortgage mess.

Good luck to them. Their credit will be in shambles, and they will not be able to apply for credit cards, loans, rentals etc for years. I don't know all the different bankruptcy formats, I just feel they should be doing everything they can to at least make a payment on the principle portion of their mortgage. The entire monthly payment is mostly interest at this point. Making a sincere effort to pay the principle is showing the bank you are trying to be responsible.

[HashtagBlessed]

I agree they don’t have time to make slow process. They need to have stopped overspending MONTHS AGO. It’s time to stop acting like spoiled, entitled children and to start acting like adults. They need to dig themselves out of the hole they are in, not just slow the pace with which they consume more debt.

Sure we can be overly critical of YTers on these boards, but I don’t think this is a case of that. I think some people aren’t alarmed enough, and it makes me wonder if they are actually defending their own financial decisions.

We aren’t talking about minor debt here. C&K are close to losing their house. That leaves no room for unnecessary purchases, no matter how necessary Katie may feel they are. They should be living on rice and beans at this point.


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I agree, they are beyond delusional. Any attempts to be honest in these videos is a last ditch effort to make more money on YouTube, but I don't think they've truly gained any self-awareness. I think Katie can not come to terms with accepting responsibility and admitting that they are all going to have to suffer in order to course correct. She doesn't want anything to change in the kid's world. They still go to daycare and Gaines is still in gymnastics. She's purchasing gift baskets for all the holidays and thinking about teacher gifts. The kids are eating the same convenience meals every night. She mentioned that the kids love going out for Tex Mex night. If the kids have to endure major change, which is inevitable at this point, because they can't keep accumulating debt to finance this unsustainable lifestyle, Katie has to come to terms with the fact that her kids suffer because of her and Cullen's poor decisions as their parents. In Katie's mind, she can do no wrong, so that's a hard pill to swallow.