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Post by FakingIt_MakingIt » Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:49 am

Im not watching this video, it will make me too frustrated lol. But from what ya'll have posted Im call BULLSH*T on Katie and Cullen. There is NO way they've truly paid that off and have an emergency savings account... If you had an emergency savings account wouldn't it be a great time to use it rather then getting behind on your mortgage?? Or when you had to put a single dollar in for gas? Theyre lying through their teeth, both of them.

This is very typical of them though, open up about something then reign it in and act like all is dandy without making real change. They're going to piss people off with this "budget" series and loose the increase in viewers they've had. Then what? They wont be able to hide a foreclosure!
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Post by ZzzCupcakes » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:04 am

Boymomma123 wrote:
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I haven't watched the video but did they clarify whether the 13k get current was part of the 17k? Or are they claiming they somehow came up with 30k to get current ans pay off a large chunk of debt?

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I had the same question. On their "Debtris" sheet they currently have $17,500 filled in (if each box is $500 like they said), so I think the $13k is part of the $17k, unless they haven't been coloring the sheet in. Otherwise, I agree with everyone else here-- how the heck did they come up with $30k in 2 months to pay off their debts?! That would also mean they paid off 1/4 of their debt in 6 weeks with minimal budgeting, which I would hardly call a "debt crisis" and more of a "spending crisis."
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I haven't watched the video but did they clarify whether the 13k get current was part of the 17k? Or are they claiming they somehow came up with 30k to get current ans pay off a large chunk of debt?

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I had the same question. On their "Debtris" sheet they currently have $17,500 filled in (if each box is $500 like they said), so I think the $13k is part of the $17k, unless they haven't been coloring the sheet in. Otherwise, I agree with everyone else here-- how the heck did they come up with $30k in 2 months to pay off their debts?! That would also mean they paid off 1/4 of their debt in 6 weeks with minimal budgeting, which I would hardly call a "debt crisis" and more of a "spending crisis."
Exactly! This is not a debt crisis this is a we don't know how to manage money and can't stop spending crisis! It sounds like they were just blowing through the 8k they pay themselves a month before the debt series and had to constantly dip into the business to pay bills.

I still can't make sense though of their need to sell the mac computer right before Christmas to buy presents and groceries when they ready admitted to not paying their mortgage in November or December? How does that make sense if they have had this emergency fund. Also how do you not pay the 3400 mortgage and still not have money left out of $8000 for the month.

This whole series is one big giant lie and we all bought into it. I hope their views go back down because none of this is real and they have not given any realistic advice for others struggling to pay off debt!

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Post by lmmomSD » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:43 am

lovingthisforum wrote:Are you sure you are making the distinction between adsense and YT?
Adsense is how people get paid for YouTube except for sponsored videos. Sponsored videos are paid for directly by the advertisers, and Adsense is how YT pays people for allowing ads on their videos. Their policies page doesn't say anything about keeping your income private.
Going back to the umbrella debate for one quick point, I think the reason most people are upset is that it's another episode in the pattern of Katie seeing that Gaines gets what she wants and doesn't have to "go without". She wanted the umbrella, and instead of saying no, you don't need it and money is tight, they arranged for her to have enough money. If it was an isolated incident, I don't think people would have cared as much. There's nothing wrong with paying for chores (if that's your decision), or teaching kids to save for something they want. But they seem to try to arrange Gaines' life so that they don't have to say no to her. Katie's idea of "going without" is warped by privilege. Not doing gymnastics is not "going without". Not having clothing that's clean and fits, not having a stable home, or food-- that's going without. But hey, Brooks can go without karate...

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Post by lovingthisforum » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:49 am

lmmomSD wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:43 am
lovingthisforum wrote:Are you sure you are making the distinction between adsense and YT?
Adsense is how people get paid for YouTube except for sponsored videos. Sponsored videos are paid for directly by the advertisers, and Adsense is how YT pays people for allowing ads on their videos. Their policies page doesn't say anything about keeping your income private.
Going back to the umbrella debate for one quick point, I think the reason most people are upset is that it's another episode in the pattern of Katie seeing that Gaines gets what she wants and doesn't have to "go without". She wanted the umbrella, and instead of saying no, you don't need it and money is tight, they arranged for her to have enough money. If it was an isolated incident, I don't think people would have cared as much. There's nothing wrong with paying for chores (if that's your decision), or teaching kids to save for something they want. But they seem to try to arrange Gaines' life so that they don't have to say no to her. Katie's idea of "going without" is warped by privilege. Not doing gymnastics is not "going without". Not having clothing that's clean and fits, not having a stable home, or food-- that's going without. But hey, Brooks can go without karate...

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I know. But it's forever been the case that youtubers can't share their YT-sec income but can share their adsense. Many youtubers have told this, Katie wasn't the first.
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Post by Boymomma123 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:33 am

I don't think they are allowed to share the amount they are paid for individual advertisements. Not because of the public but because companies obviously pay different influencers different amounts for the same amount of work.

Companies would make them sign a nondisclosure agreement when they agree to promote the brand. C&K are desperate and might accept the first offer a company gives them where someone that is more savvy and knows their worth as influencers might not promote a brand for less than a certain amount.

So if huggies were to sponsor them for an Instagram post they would not be allowed to discuss how much they made for that individual post. Adsense is simply yt/Google's way of paying creators.

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Post by yoyo16 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:26 am

Boymomma123 wrote:I haven't watched the video but did they clarify whether the 13k get current was part of the 17k? Or are they claiming they somehow came up with 30k to get current ans pay off a large chunk of debt?

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They haven’t clarified it but i assume that it does include the 13k because they included the get current amount into their total debt amount which was originally 80 something thousand (86k?) and changed the number to 100k after they disclosed that they had to get current first.



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Post by chloe6124 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:13 am

Katie needs to take the WW sponsorship. That thing is paying huge bucks. They could wipe out the car payment with it.


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Post by Boymomma123 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:29 am

chloe6124 wrote:Katie needs to take the WW sponsorship. That thing is paying huge bucks. They could wipe out the car payment with it.


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It doesn't really seem like they get a lot of big sponsors like a lot of other channels and Instagram moms. They seem to do a lot of smaller brands and get sent a lot of free toys for the kids to promote. They must not market themselves very well to brands is all I can think because she does seem to be a good candidate for weight watchers.

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Post by Lovethesnark » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:51 am

She’d have to buy real groceries to pretend to be on weight watchers. She doesn’t have time for that.


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Post by GigglyMint » Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:49 pm

Their “business” was essentially created for tax purposes. It presumably helps pay for the car, house, etc. But they have no employees and no business expenses outside of taxes. So really the rest of what they make is theirs. They’ve made that confusing by talking about paying themselves a salary but showing a salary that doesn’t cover monthly bills. They’re making it unnecessarily confusing.
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Post by Haulnarse » Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:28 pm

So if all their income comes in to the business, then the Business should then budget taxes, car payment (if thats a genuine business expense), business credit card, any other business expenses are paid FIRST.

Then whats left over should be split and paid as wages.


Its not bloody rocket science.

Saying they pay themselves $8k a month means nothing if you only have $5k coming in, that $5k is needed for other expenses first before it even hits an “employees” account.

My priorities when paying bills is the mortgage always comes first. ALWAYS. If shit hits the fan we still have somewhere to live. If we had debt id be paying the minimum payments next, then Insurances, Food, petrol.

Everything else is minor. Shes bitching about wasting money on her birthday?? Patting themselves on the back cos they cooked ramen and took it to eat in the car when there was a viewing vs picking up takeout. They have no idea at all. You dont have to eat at 12 noon, wait and make something when you get home, your a grown arse adult. Grab a museli bar or something.
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Post by rosie_dalia » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:07 pm

Boymomma123 wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:33 am
I don't think they are allowed to share the amount they are paid for individual advertisements. Not because of the public but because companies obviously pay different influencers different amounts for the same amount of work.

Companies would make them sign a nondisclosure agreement when they agree to promote the brand. C&K are desperate and might accept the first offer a company gives them where someone that is more savvy and knows their worth as influencers might not promote a brand for less than a certain amount.

So if huggies were to sponsor them for an Instagram post they would not be allowed to discuss how much they made for that individual post. Adsense is simply yt/Google's way of paying creators.

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This is exactly correct. Brands typically make the "influencer" sign an NDA, so they can't disclose what they've earned. AdSense/YT/Google (all the same company, btw) don't have any such requirement. They (and ALL YTers) can divulge their AdSense income, but I think a lot of it is EGO! They don't want their YT peers to know if they are making more or less, etc. Although, some YTers are now being more honest about their YT/AdSense income.

The NDA issue is probably why Cullen and Katie gave that BIG number for their December income and didn't break down where it was coming from. I don't even recall what companies they worked with in December! That advertising didn't work. LOL!
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Post by lmmomSD » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:43 pm

Boymomma123 wrote:I don't think they are allowed to share the amount they are paid for individual advertisements. Not because of the public but because companies obviously pay different influencers different amounts for the same amount of work.

Companies would make them sign a nondisclosure agreement when they agree to promote the brand. C&K are desperate and might accept the first offer a company gives them where someone that is more savvy and knows their worth as influencers might not promote a brand for less than a certain amount.

So if huggies were to sponsor them for an Instagram post they would not be allowed to discuss how much they made for that individual post. Adsense is simply yt/Google's way of paying creators.

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That I understand. I guess it's mostly semantics. I consider making money _from YT_ to be the Adsense paycheck, while sponsorships are different, and I wouldn't consider that necessarily making money from YT. Makes sense that sponsors wouldn't want them disclosing their compensation.

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Post by lmmomSD » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:02 pm

I'm sorry, but they are the LAST people I would be taking child rearing advice from.
"Teachable moments", my ass.

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Post by rosie_dalia » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:17 pm

Today's video was 100% trolling. Who takes their kids to the mall with their piggybanks and lets them just SHOP for things they don't even need? Gaines wanted a fox umbrella, but they didn't even know if a store had one? Then why go?! Then they just suggest she buys other JUNK instead?? Is that smart?! No.

Also, these kids get TONS to toys and presents all year long. They shouldn't be shopping at ALL! The lesson should have been SAVE your $$$ for what you originally wanted. UGH!

Didn't Cullen IG story that they got presents from Grandberry just yesterday? And Katie says they are getting Easter presents soon. Jeeeez!

They are really NOT teaching them a lesson at all. If she wants a fox umbrella, then WAIT and get the damn fox umbrella!

And, they purposefully showed a new H&M bag in the backseat. What was that?

TOTAL TROLLS.
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Post by ZzzCupcakes » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:22 pm

So glad they let their kid, who was complaining of not feeling well, pick his nose and then touch every toy in the mall.
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Post by lmmomSD » Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:58 pm

They think the golf course is their private playground. I'll bet their neighbors hate them. He got on their little car track, and tried to ride it, and it got stuck in the mud. So he took it to the golf course cart trail, and had Gaines push him. He went a few yards and then crashed.
F*cking manchild. Any bets on whether or not he was sober? Great example for the kids.
And Katie just laughs. And says Brooks said that Cullen shouldn't do it because he was going to die, and they "wouldn't have a daddy anymore, just a mommy". Where would a 3 year old get that idea?
I still think that part of the falling out with Kelley was neighbors bitching about C&K and her getting embarrassed. I'm sure part of it was about money and their refusal to get jobs, but I'll bet some of it was also their behavior and the neighbors rolling their eyes.

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Post by marshmallowfluf » Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:27 pm

It was absolute bullshit that they gave Gaines 3 dollars and Brooks 50 cents for doing the exact same thing. They don’t even try to hide their favoritism anymore. It makes me sick. Cullen and Katie were bored and needing their shopping addiction fix, so they loaded up the kids piggy banks and somewhat forced them to buy stuff they didn’t really want. Gaines was saving for the FOX UMBRELLA. She made that very clear, so order it online and be done with it. Also, telling Gaines “if you don’t have the money for it you can ask for it for Easter” like wtf. My kids get a chocolate bunny for Easter, its not Christmas!!


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Post by honeybear » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:10 pm

I'm really sorry but I have never watched these two other than the debt videos. That last video with Brooks..... idk how to say this without being insensitive.. but is he slow? Or have a disability or something?

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Post by MilkingTheClicks » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:39 pm

That video wasn't about saving up for something you really want. It was about buying junk that you hadn't ever thought about because you had a few dollars in your pocket. This is why they are broke. Gaines wanted a fox umbrella. That is what she saved for. She still wants a fox umbrella but because her parents "talked" her into buying some other junk she now has to "work" to make more money to get the same fox umbrella she already saved for. In adult actions this would be like saving money to pay car taxes but deciding that you really want Mexican food so you use the car tax money and eat Mexican (in Katie's world that is $100) and next week when the taxes are due you don't have enough money so you don't pay them. These two are really out of control.

And the whole "how do we budget if we use Walmart pickup" shows how dumb they are. First, they have free Walmart giftcards walk into the store and use them you aren't that busy. Second, if you are doing the envelope system make a deposit. Do you really need your veiwers (I'm not calling them your fans) to tell you that?
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Post by rosie_dalia » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:59 pm

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That video wasn't about saving up for something you really want. It was about buying junk that you hadn't ever thought about because you had a few dollars in your pocket. This is why they are broke. Gaines wanted a fox umbrella. That is what she saved for. She still wants a fox umbrella but because her parents "talked" her into buying some other junk she now has to "work" to make more money to get the same fox umbrella she already saved for. In adult actions this would be like saving money to pay car taxes but deciding that you really want Mexican food so you use the car tax money and eat Mexican (in Katie's world that is $100) and next week when the taxes are due you don't have enough money so you don't pay them. These two are really out of control.

And the whole "how do we budget if we use Walmart pickup" shows how dumb they are. First, they have free Walmart giftcards walk into the store and use them you aren't that busy. Second, if you are doing the envelope system make a deposit. Do you really need your veiwers (I'm not calling them your fans) to tell you that?
Here's the thing. If they know they are going to rely on Walmart pickup, then don't even take out the CASH! Just write the monthly grocery total on the envelope and only order that much online. Are they really this dumb?? Isn't this BASIC knowledge and math???!

I do think they should stick to Aldi or just pickup. I think it's obvious Katie's shopping issues are seriously real.
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Post by bootsncats » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:21 pm

There is NOTHING about the latest video that is a teachable moment with your children. Why on earth would you take them to the mall and just aimlessly wander around and show them all of that stuff?? The point of saving the money was to earn enough to buy the fox umbrella and a light saber. WHY can't the adults in the situation PLAN ahead and take them to a store where each item is available for each child to purchase!!??!!!

I don't understand anything about the way they handled this!!!! I think it's actually cruel to take a 3 and 5 year old to the mall and show them all of those things and confuse their little minds with, "well, if you buy this then you will have this much left and maybe you can buy that but then you can't get the fox umbrella..." OMG.... just go to a store with a fox umbrella and purchase it!!!! And if there is no store where one can be found, have Gaines give you the cash as you place the order on Amazon using one of the gift cards you have. She is still spending her money that way and she can understand that she saved for it and gave her money to purchase it. Same with the lightsaber for Brooks. These two are so dumb that it just doesn't seem real sometimes!!!
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MilkingTheClicks wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:39 pm
That video wasn't about saving up for something you really want. It was about buying junk that you hadn't ever thought about because you had a few dollars in your pocket. This is why they are broke. Gaines wanted a fox umbrella. That is what she saved for. She still wants a fox umbrella but because her parents "talked" her into buying some other junk she now has to "work" to make more money to get the same fox umbrella she already saved for. In adult actions this would be like saving money to pay car taxes but deciding that you really want Mexican food so you use the car tax money and eat Mexican (in Katie's world that is $100) and next week when the taxes are due you don't have enough money so you don't pay them. These two are really out of control.

And the whole "how do we budget if we use Walmart pickup" shows how dumb they are. First, they have free Walmart giftcards walk into the store and use them you aren't that busy. Second, if you are doing the envelope system make a deposit. Do you really need your veiwers (I'm not calling them your fans) to tell you that?
I wish I could like this whole comment a hundred times... you nailed it.
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Post by Boymomma123 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:23 am

honeybear wrote:I'm really sorry but I have never watched these two other than the debt videos. That last video with Brooks..... idk how to say this without being insensitive.. but is he slow? Or have a disability or something?

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He had a pacifier for quite some time and would always talk with it in and we all kind of speculated that it caused some speech issues. Personally I think he could benefit from speech therapy. They are like most youtube parents though and don't seem to care about their children's educational needs. Katie diagnosed him herself with sensory processing issues but I don't think they ever got him evaluated for anything.

I have always thought he walks and runs strangely for a 3 almost 4 year old. But the speech issue seems more like a breathing/delivery issue or it could just be his southern accent.

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