8 Passengers: Spreading a Disease while Doing As I Please | Part #16

[Happy+Charlie]

I think YouTube and vlogging was a godsend for Ruby. She seems to be like a fish out of water when asked to join in with family life. She fusses over the really little kids because that's still all in her control, but as soon as they get old enough to have their own voice and not stick to the script she's lost. At least if she's vlogging she's back to being able to decide the narrative, because the viewers are silent. Watching the recent clips of the family all together, she looks so out of her depth.

But she is not fussing over the little kids. They put themselves to bed, they fix their own lunch for school (no supervision by mom to see what they are packing or that it makes it out the door), no supervision of brushing teeth, taking bath (except when Ruby want's to use it for content with Eve and read a book for the camera), no supervision of schoolwork (which is very important now since they are home--Eve was skipping out on class, and Ruby was not aware of this for nearly a week). She is a, piss poor excuse of a mother. As you've said, she does not know how to interact with her children and it's a shame. You can tell she doesn't know how to just be with them, there are no warm fuzzy moments when she has been away, like they all gravitate to Kevin with big hugs and welcome. Every special moment has to be wrapped up with content purpose. Talking to Julie about maturing, she could have just said we are going to have a girls night and watch Emma. Before, after or during Ruby could have brought up topics to talk about, but instead she has to have an agenda scripted with a sweet cookie on top. Looking at early vlogs, Ruby used to dote on the kids and they would tell her they love her, thank you, etc. without being prompted. YouTube really changed her and her attention and every move is for content/viewers, and it is obvious and sad. Her disrespect for her kids, especially Julie recently, is sickening. Julie is never going to trust any adult because of Ruby's games.

We teach our children about eye contact when we speak to them. This is important in life, to focus, respect and your interest in what is being said. Ruby looks at the camera, her children never get her attention face to face, it is face to camera. I wonder if they are able to maintain eye contact with anyone when they are being talked to.

[SwiftlyD]

I know that it's a small thing thing but in yesterday's vlog it really bothered me when Ruby was talking about how much of a tomboy eve is. The way she was talking almost makes me think that if eve was to continue liking to get down and dirty playing outside as she got older she would force it out of her. God forbid you have a daughterer who likes being more tomboyish/masculine past when you find it cute and acceptable Ruby.

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[ghostboy]

the way ruby tried manipulating julie into having the talk on camera and ignoring her when she asked her to turn it off was easily one of the most toxic things i've ever seen. I think we have hit a new low with ruby's parenting... she doesn't give a shit about whether her kid is uncomfortable or not, as long as she can get good footage for her vlogs. she is such a selfish bitch

it's the way she's basically sitting there wondering out loud why she doesn't have the same dynamic with julie as bonnie has with olivia
don't get me wrong, i'm not a bonnie fan either, but what the hell was ruby expecting?

julie's reaction killed me though, she gets more awesome by the day

[Alycat_2001_uk]

I think YouTube and vlogging was a godsend for Ruby. She seems to be like a fish out of water when asked to join in with family life. She fusses over the really little kids because that's still all in her control, but as soon as they get old enough to have their own voice and not stick to the script she's lost. At least if she's vlogging she's back to being able to decide the narrative, because the viewers are silent. Watching the recent clips of the family all together, she looks so out of her depth.

But she is not fussing over the little kids. They put themselves to bed, they fix their own lunch for school (no supervision by mom to see what they are packing or that it makes it out the door), no supervision of brushing teeth, taking bath (except when Ruby want's to use it for content with Eve and read a book for the camera), no supervision of schoolwork (which is very important now since they are home--Eve was skipping out on class, and Ruby was not aware of this for nearly a week). She is a, piss poor excuse of a mother. As you've said, she does not know how to interact with her children and it's a shame. You can tell she doesn't know how to just be with them, there are no warm fuzzy moments when she has been away, like they all gravitate to Kevin with big hugs and welcome. Every special moment has to be wrapped up with content purpose. Talking to Julie about maturing, she could have just said we are going to have a girls night and watch Emma. Before, after or during Ruby could have brought up topics to talk about, but instead she has to have an agenda scripted with a sweet cookie on top. Looking at early vlogs, Ruby used to dote on the kids and they would tell her they love her, thank you, etc. without being prompted. YouTube really changed her and her attention and every move is for content/viewers, and it is obvious and sad. Her disrespect for her kids, especially Julie recently, is sickening. Julie is never going to trust any adult because of Ruby's games.

We teach our children about eye contact when we speak to them. This is important in life, to focus, respect and your interest in what is being said. Ruby looks at the camera, her children never get her attention face to face, it is face to camera. I wonder if they are able to maintain eye contact with anyone when they are being talked to.

By little I mean under about four. If you go back a few years in their videos she used to fuss over Eve. And by 'fussing over' I don't mean looking after, but just choosing to spend any time with them and go on about how cute they are etc, wanting to buy them stuff. She used to buy Eve anything she asked for. She likes them when they're just dolls she can play with, but already Eve is able to choose something that isn't what Ruby wants so she's not in control.

[imoverit]

So I am a very unreligious person and not to go down a rabbit hole of what I think about religious fasting in general, but I thought the way Ruby and Kevin went about it was putting so much peer pressure on their kids. First of all, no water??? Is that normal? All other times I've heard of fasting it has definitely included water. Second, Ruby went kid by kid saying "will you be joining us?" She can pretend it's their choice all she wants (this goes for the rest of their religion too), but posing it to each kid like that is hardly giving them a free choice. There is so much pressure on them to do what the parents want and so much judgment attached if they make a different choice. Finally, I know every Internet Mormon did this as well, but I hate that they're advertising it to the camera like that like they're showing off their piety. Weeks late not to mention, even though Ruby says we "never know" when they're weeks behind... umm yeah it's pretty clear.

[rulatows000]

They can't even drink water when they fast??? That sounds so awful and dangerous to be encouraging their preteen and teenage kids to starve and dehydrate themselves for 24 hours. I know they said the kids had a choice, but when they're filming and making a big deal out of it, of course all the kids will feel pressured to do it. I could also see the ones who break it being teased by the older siblings. Some people just can't go long periods without eating. By 11 or 12 in the morning, I'm always hungry and start feeling faint, no matter how late I ate the day before. It's not a good feeling. If they want to do the fast, they should do it themselves and, if anything, maybe give Shari a choice to join in, but don't let the other kids do it. I feel like I would feel so bad watching my kids being hungry and uncomfortable, I would not let them do it even if they wanted to. Also, Ruby letting the kids food get cold so that she can talk to the camera pissed me off. No one likes microwaved fast food.

[Namm]

it's the way she's basically sitting there wondering out loud why she doesn't have the same dynamic with julie as bonnie has with olivia
don't get me wrong, i'm not a bonnie fan either, but what the hell was ruby expecting?

julie's reaction killed me though, she gets more awesome by the day
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I'm glad that Julie didn't buy her mothers manipulation. Bonnie expect her kids to please her at all time. Her children arent given the right to have any other opinions than Bonnies. Olivia would never ever and the boys always look terrified of Bonnie.
Even though Ruby is as horrible as Bonnie, I like that her kids are still allowed to voice their own opinions.

[Happy+Charlie]

I think YouTube and vlogging was a godsend for Ruby. She seems to be like a fish out of water when asked to join in with family life. She fusses over the really little kids because that's still all in her control, but as soon as they get old enough to have their own voice and not stick to the script she's lost. At least if she's vlogging she's back to being able to decide the narrative, because the viewers are silent. Watching the recent clips of the family all together, she looks so out of her depth.

But she is not fussing over the little kids. They put themselves to bed, they fix their own lunch for school (no supervision by mom to see what they are packing or that it makes it out the door), no supervision of brushing teeth, taking bath (except when Ruby want's to use it for content with Eve and read a book for the camera), no supervision of schoolwork (which is very important now since they are home--Eve was skipping out on class, and Ruby was not aware of this for nearly a week). She is a, piss poor excuse of a mother. As you've said, she does not know how to interact with her children and it's a shame. You can tell she doesn't know how to just be with them, there are no warm fuzzy moments when she has been away, like they all gravitate to Kevin with big hugs and welcome. Every special moment has to be wrapped up with content purpose. Talking to Julie about maturing, she could have just said we are going to have a girls night and watch Emma. Before, after or during Ruby could have brought up topics to talk about, but instead she has to have an agenda scripted with a sweet cookie on top. Looking at early vlogs, Ruby used to dote on the kids and they would tell her they love her, thank you, etc. without being prompted. YouTube really changed her and her attention and every move is for content/viewers, and it is obvious and sad. Her disrespect for her kids, especially Julie recently, is sickening. Julie is never going to trust any adult because of Ruby's games.

We teach our children about eye contact when we speak to them. This is important in life, to focus, respect and your interest in what is being said. Ruby looks at the camera, her children never get her attention face to face, it is face to camera. I wonder if they are able to maintain eye contact with anyone when they are being talked to.

By little I mean under about four. If you go back a few years in their videos she used to fuss over Eve. And by 'fussing over' I don't mean looking after, but just choosing to spend any time with them and go on about how cute they are etc, wanting to buy them stuff. She used to buy Eve anything she asked for. She likes them when they're just dolls she can play with, but already Eve is able to choose something that isn't what Ruby wants so she's not in control.

Yes, yes, those are about the same time frame I've watched to have the impression she used to dote on them. I think once they are potty-trained, in her eyes, they are independent and no longer need an attentive, caring mother.

[Trip804]

They can't even drink water when they fast??? That sounds so awful and dangerous to be encouraging their preteen and teenage kids to starve and dehydrate themselves for 24 hours. I know they said the kids had a choice, but when they're filming and making a big deal out of it, of course all the kids will feel pressured to do it. I could also see the ones who break it being teased by the older siblings. Some people just can't go long periods without eating. By 11 or 12 in the morning, I'm always hungry and start feeling faint, no matter how late I ate the day before. It's not a good feeling. If they want to do the fast, they should do it themselves and, if anything, maybe give Shari a choice to join in, but don't let the other kids do it. I feel like I would feel so bad watching my kids being hungry and uncomfortable, I would not let them do it even if they wanted to. Also, Ruby letting the kids food get cold so that she can talk to the camera pissed me off. No one likes microwaved fast food.

I grew up catholic and my parents fasted during certain days of Lent, but the church specifically says those that are able to between the ages of 18-59 and liquids are still permitted. My parents never would’ve allowed me to fast as a child because kids need food every single day.

[Happy+Charlie]

So I am a very unreligious person and not to go down a rabbit hole of what I think about religious fasting in general, but I thought the way Ruby and Kevin went about it was putting so much peer pressure on their kids. First of all, no water??? Is that normal? All other times I've heard of fasting it has definitely included water. Second, Ruby went kid by kid saying "will you be joining us?" She can pretend it's their choice all she wants (this goes for the rest of their religion too), but posing it to each kid like that is hardly giving them a free choice. There is so much pressure on them to do what the parents want and so much judgment attached if they make a different choice. Finally, I know every Internet Mormon did this as well, but I hate that they're advertising it to the camera like that like they're showing off their piety. Weeks late not to mention, even though Ruby says we "never know" when they're weeks behind... umm yeah it's pretty clear.

I agree. I've always thought you can only have water when fasting. I also agree about the pressure, and is likely what will keep any one of them that looks to flee the religion from doing so. If they leave the religion they will leave the support/family too. I have no doubt in my mind that someone could leave the Griffith clan and still remain in contact with them. They would be shunned, so you are giving up a lot. I don't believe this is how it is with all Mormon families and similar religions, but the Griffith Clan wears their heritage loud and proud and they won't accept someone fleeing.

I think I remember from another vlog, if the child has been baptized (around 8 if that is what it's called), then they are expected to participate with fasting.

[Happy+Charlie]

They can't even drink water when they fast??? That sounds so awful and dangerous to be encouraging their preteen and teenage kids to starve and dehydrate themselves for 24 hours. I know they said the kids had a choice, but when they're filming and making a big deal out of it, of course all the kids will feel pressured to do it. I could also see the ones who break it being teased by the older siblings. Some people just can't go long periods without eating. By 11 or 12 in the morning, I'm always hungry and start feeling faint, no matter how late I ate the day before. It's not a good feeling. If they want to do the fast, they should do it themselves and, if anything, maybe give Shari a choice to join in, but don't let the other kids do it. I feel like I would feel so bad watching my kids being hungry and uncomfortable, I would not let them do it even if they wanted to. Also, Ruby letting the kids food get cold so that she can talk to the camera pissed me off. No one likes microwaved fast food.

Ruby has stated she has no problem making her children go without food. When Eve did not take a lunch to school and her teacher called Ruby requesting that she accommodate her, Ruby refused, and would not take lunch or make arrangements, she said Eve would have to think about the choice she made and hopefully it will help her do different the next time. She must have gotten a lot of heat about it, because she defended herself in another vlog stating she was not a terrible mother for making Eve go without lunch--she would not start in just one day, and it was ok to make her feel uncomfortable due to being hungry. Great mom there! I'm sure people with eating disorders will tell you how being forced to eat, having food withheld, or being deprived of food played into their disorder.

[Trip804]

I also think it’s shocking unable to even state her most basic beliefs. Whenever she’s asked about it, she tells them to watch general conference, talk to a missionary, or visit the church’s website. Like if it’s your religion, you should be able to state your basic beliefs.

[SwiftlyD]

I know this is a stupid question but the no water thing what if there's a loophole where they can't drink water but they can have Gatorade? I remember doing the 30 hour famine in high school and they actually suggested drinking gatorade/Powerade over water because it gives you electrolytes

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[emma2948]

The Bible: 16 “And whenever you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces so as to show others that they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that your fasting may be seen not by others but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Ruby: I'm fasting you guys, so I decided to put it out online for everyone to see how great I am!!

(Note: I know not everyone may follow this version of the bible, but it's pretty much the same general rule for all Christians when fasting, and that is, you don't tell people your fasting)

[Issy1129]

1. Yes, Ruby, you were the one making the human growth and development (“maturation”) talk awkward. Get the camera out of your child’s face.
2. Be a mom and end Chad’s constant rude mocking comments that only encourage the other kids to laugh. Where is Kevin’s support in this? Oh yeah...
3. Fasting w/o water, especially for kids? Wow. Another example of the brainwashed LDS clan.

[SwiftlyD]

1. Yes, Ruby, you were the one making the human growth and development (“maturation”) talk awkward. Get the camera out of your child’s face.
2. Be a mom and end Chad’s constant rude mocking comments that only encourage the other kids to laugh. Where is Kevin’s support in this? Oh yeah...
3. Fasting w/o water, especially for kids? Wow. Another example of the brainwashed LDS clan.

Does no water mean absolutely no liquids? I'm having horrible flashforwards of the kids getting super dehydrated because they aren't drinking water but they're still allowed pop/soda the fainting because of it

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[jacobismom10]

1. Yes, Ruby, you were the one making the human growth and development (“maturation”) talk awkward. Get the camera out of your child’s face.
2. Be a mom and end Chad’s constant rude mocking comments that only encourage the other kids to laugh. Where is Kevin’s support in this? Oh yeah...
3. Fasting w/o water, especially for kids? Wow. Another example of the brainwashed LDS clan.

Does no water mean absolutely no liquids? I'm having horrible flashforwards of the kids getting super dehydrated because they aren't drinking water but they're still allowed pop/soda the fainting because of it

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I used to be mormon/LDS fasting involves no food or liquids for some many hours. This day they filmed it was 24 hours and wasn't for "workers" but to try to cure Covid-19. Also during fasting they do tithe offering. By the way the church needs no ones money. They are sitting on $124+ Billion investment. The church alone could invest in the vaccine to cure covid but instead they are making members fast.

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[casual_fan]

Those eyelashes look freshly filled in...someone is not socially distancing

Ruby mentioned in the vlog, she posts out of order and is delayed. Probably to defend herself against attacks of not following social distancing rules. But really she's not social distancing

[puzzledbyit28]

They can't even drink water when they fast??? That sounds so awful and dangerous to be encouraging their preteen and teenage kids to starve and dehydrate themselves for 24 hours. I know they said the kids had a choice, but when they're filming and making a big deal out of it, of course all the kids will feel pressured to do it. I could also see the ones who break it being teased by the older siblings. Some people just can't go long periods without eating. By 11 or 12 in the morning, I'm always hungry and start feeling faint, no matter how late I ate the day before. It's not a good feeling. If they want to do the fast, they should do it themselves and, if anything, maybe give Shari a choice to join in, but don't let the other kids do it. I feel like I would feel so bad watching my kids being hungry and uncomfortable, I would not let them do it even if they wanted to. Also, Ruby letting the kids food get cold so that she can talk to the camera pissed me off. No one likes microwaved fast food.

I'm Jewish, and for us fasting means no food or drinks, including water. You are only eligible to fast if you are bar/bat mitzvah age or older (12 for girls, 13 for boys) and are generally healthy.

The idea that parents would manipulate young children into fasting is crazy to me. And all for what? Some invisibly power that you can't guarantee is real in order to rid the world of a virus that you won't take seriously enough to alter your travel plans?

[missparzival]

Which video does Julie push back?


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