8 Passengers: Spreading a Disease while Doing As I Please | Part #16

[Alycat_2001_uk]

So, firstly the focus on 'they aren't allowed phones!' or 'we need to get the parents in trouble' is not helpful!
It's unlikely that the Franke-Griffiths take on board that their parenting methods are concerning and the problems in their families around empathy. Going on about 'getting them in touble' just makes them defensive and more insular into their circle of LDS Utah vloggers.

There are issues around:
Timely access to healthcare: Russell's femur and motor delays, Chad's foot at Anastazi, Chad's dental care at Anastazi, Shari's leg pain, Shari's vision, on time vaccinations, forgetting check ups.

At home illness/ health/ hygiene: Eve's bathing, Eve's clean clothing (i.e. staying in clothes all night), Eve having 9 cavities, Eve not growing for a year but then also not considering it necessary to pack her lunch for her and ensure she takes it. Essentially there appears to be no bedtime routine that Eve and Russell can gradually take on themselves.
That their meals are small and often missing vital components (i.e. there should be protein, carb, vegetables) despite a very large income.

Enforcing minimalism on the kids whilst having a shopping addiction?! I.e. few clothes, lack of furniture.

Filming the kids at times they express verbally or through body language that they don't want to be filmed.

Inconsistent education i.e. public school, home school, private school, public school. This has an impact on education but also forming friendships and relationships with teachers.

Having family/ 1:1 conversations where Ruby looks at the camera not her children. Attempts to do 'reflective listening' but is not empathetic and her children don't have the emotional literacy for them to express their emotions in order for her to reflect back 'i.e. I hear that you are 'mad'' or 'I can see that you're feeling very upset at the moment, can you tell me what emotions you have?'. Instead she tells them that they ARE feeling shame etc.

That's not even getting started on the stuff with Chad over the last year, which is well documented.


I've also no doubt forgotten things such as clickbait titles about puberty. That they flit from one method to another (paying for grades to you're not entitled to anything). It's clear their children often don't know which Ruby they are going to get.

You put this very well. I think that last point is very important - they are often suddenly receiving punishments for things without warning, and often for things Ruby will have reacted completely differently to on another occasion. The kids can't ever know what's going to happen next because there's no stability.

[imoverit]

So, firstly the focus on 'they aren't allowed phones!' or 'we need to get the parents in trouble' is not helpful!
It's unlikely that the Franke-Griffiths take on board that their parenting methods are concerning and the problems in their families around empathy. Going on about 'getting them in touble' just makes them defensive and more insular into their circle of LDS Utah vloggers.

There are issues around:
Timely access to healthcare: Russell's femur and motor delays, Chad's foot at Anastazi, Chad's dental care at Anastazi, Shari's leg pain, Shari's vision, on time vaccinations, forgetting check ups.

At home illness/ health/ hygiene: Eve's bathing, Eve's clean clothing (i.e. staying in clothes all night), Eve having 9 cavities, Eve not growing for a year but then also not considering it necessary to pack her lunch for her and ensure she takes it. Essentially there appears to be no bedtime routine that Eve and Russell can gradually take on themselves.
That their meals are small and often missing vital components (i.e. there should be protein, carb, vegetables) despite a very large income.

Enforcing minimalism on the kids whilst having a shopping addiction?! I.e. few clothes, lack of furniture.

Filming the kids at times they express verbally or through body language that they don't want to be filmed.

Inconsistent education i.e. public school, home school, private school, public school. This has an impact on education but also forming friendships and relationships with teachers.

Having family/ 1:1 conversations where Ruby looks at the camera not her children. Attempts to do 'reflective listening' but is not empathetic and her children don't have the emotional literacy for them to express their emotions in order for her to reflect back 'i.e. I hear that you are 'mad'' or 'I can see that you're feeling very upset at the moment, can you tell me what emotions you have?'. Instead she tells them that they ARE feeling shame etc.

That's not even getting started on the stuff with Chad over the last year, which is well documented.


I've also no doubt forgotten things such as clickbait titles about puberty. That they flit from one method to another (paying for grades to you're not entitled to anything). It's clear their children often don't know which Ruby they are going to get.

Thank you for re-centering the focus on the important and serious issues. There are of course more as you said.

I think the main issue that we can concern ourselves with is the fact that Ruby continues to exploit her children for huge profit by broadcasting all of these examples of abuse/neglect/what have you to the internet, from which the kids do not benefit at all (besides living in *their mom's* big new house). This is not okay, and since the problems do not seem to be extreme enough to warrant cps intervention, I think it is absolutely reasonable that they should not be allowed to monetize on youtube or make money off of ads that include their children. This touches on larger issues around children being exploited on the internet, but in this specific case I think it is particularly potent as the kids are being mistreated, their mistreatment is shown on camera, and all while it is being used to make money.

If nobody can enforce these parents to put a stop to the neglect and abuse of their children, the least that should be done is to stop them from being able to profit off of this by sharing it online.

[athyker]

Nice try Ruby on todays video. Unfortunately for you, you've uploaded far too many videos of your horrific parenting that we all know today is a video of you trying to save face. Too little too late. Kevins cards fit him a t!

[rulatows000]

A couple things about today's video:

They had family dinner together. When was the last time that all of them have eaten together as a family? Shari even said in a video that she eats in her room away from her siblings and Ruby herself has said that they rarely are all at the table together. Usually Kevin and at least one or two kids are missing from the dinner table.

Kevin has magically reappeared. After being absent and mysteriously gone during quarantine when he should have been home, he has re-materialized and actually spent time with his children.

The kids got sent two boxes of candy. Chad was actually sitting on the couch eating from one of the bags. When has Ruby ever let her kids have a special treat without some consequences? Even on Abby's birthday, Ruby's first move was to say, "You can't read your books until you get your grades up."

They played a family board game together. Not sure I've ever seen this one. Sometimes they spend family time together, usually its some made up game and some of the kids are excluded, throwing a fit, or not involved. Now they're all playing together perfectly behaved and happy.

Ruby was cleaning and organized all the things her kids left lying around on a stair for each of them. She literally made an entire video not too long away about her new rule that if any of her children left things unattended they would be thrown away. She threw Chad's homework away because he left in the van, but now she's totally fine leaving her kids things on the stairs for them to grab without them having to pay $100 for it or do a months worth of hard labor to get it back?

She let Julie cut open the big apple when Julie asked to. That's probably the first time she's ever said 'yes' or not ignored Julie in, like, 3 years.

There was an iPad that Chad was using to time his rubix cube. *gasp* Chad has an electronic near him that's not for school purposes! That's a huge no, no, Chad's not allowed to go anywhere near electronics or to use them by himself and the iPads all need to be locked up 24/7.

Lastly, she was complimenting and sounding interested in Chad and Julie doing a rubix cube which, again, must have been the first time in several years that she's said something nice about those two.

So, yeah, it's pretty obvious that this video is completely fake and contradicts everything that they have said and done for the past several years. Totally a ploy to distract viewers and make them think that Ruby is a great mom and that that's how things always are in the Franke home, but if anyone has watched even one of their previous videos it will be pretty clear that, no, the vlog they posted today is totally not normal for them!

[YTIG60]

If nobody can enforce these parents to put a stop to the neglect and abuse of their children, the least that should be done is to stop them from being able to profit off of this by sharing it online.

I doubt YouTube will do anything since their record is poor protecting children on their social media platform. COPPA fines on YouTube has resulted in very little change, however, turning comments off has had an impact. We are in a middle of a pandemic and unfortunately my guess is they will not have many consequences in spite of them become a focus from viewers and vloggers. I could be wrong though...
Viewers seem pretty unhappy with how Ruby has parented. If I were Kevin, I'd be concerned with this type of publicity.
I do think they'll need to be more careful with what content they upload going forward.

[kates_crush]

Children(no matter how “badly” they behave) always have a right to have food in their tummies and a bed to sleep in.
We now know that ruby uses both those basic necessities as punishments. She uses starvation as punishment. She makes her children go without a bed to sleep on for months at a time.
This is disgusting.
And the fact that she doesn’t see anything wrong with this is even more disgusting.

[Josette]

Maybe someone should share this with him.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/varmint

[sheltiefan]

This one and part 2 from this person is probably one of the best done. They point out everyone not just Chad.

[nutbagmcgee]

There is a TicTok channel that is posting a ton of clips of Ruby being horrific. Tons of views and the comments are interesting.

[Josette]

I'm fairly certain that the end part of today's April and Davey vlog, "This Is Hard" is about 8 Passengers & in particular, Ruby. Both of them, but especially Davey, was going on about how you shouldn't be judgmental of other, you don't know what's going in their lives, that God will judge them, etc.

I don't give a fig about what he and April say because, yes, I'm going to judge Ruby on how horrible of a parent she is because all of us here are concerned about the longterm damage she's doing to her kids, especially Chad.

I fully admit that I made mistakes bringing up my son (he'll be 40 in August), but I strove to do the best job possible and owned up to my mistakes. Unlike Ruby and Kevin's kids, he always had plenty to eat, a bed to sleep in, adequate & clean clothing and a roof over his head. Ruby thinks food, clothing, a bed and shelter are privileges to be taken away as punishment, but she's so very, very wrong.

[shortstop]

There is a TicTok channel that is posting a ton of clips of Ruby being horrific. Tons of views and the comments are interesting.

What’s the name of the channel ??

[Dawntreader]

I had never heard or seen a video of this family's until this evening when Without a Crystal Ball covered the abuse allegations. I think first impressions say a lot and wow, what a train wreck.

My comments are in no way criticisms of the children. That being said, it is an absolute disgrace that this woman walks around with perfect hair and makeup plus what appears significant cosmetic surgery done while her children appear to be in...very poor shape. The younger ones look dirty and they all appear thin, miserable, and seem to have untreated speech problems.

I cant believe they are making money off these kids then denying them a basic standard of care and treating them like animals.

[sparkle lemon]

What I find strange is that she and Kevin both stated that they had been having problems with the kids for many years PRIOR to starting their Youtube channel. She also said that they had been following the advice of 'professionals' (whatever that means). Doesn't that clearly point to the fact that Ruby and Kevin's parenting skills were sub-par even back then - pre-Youtube?

I suspect that Chad has been a pretty difficult kid over the years, but how much of that is probably due to the lack of attention he received past the age of around 2? Ruby would been very unavailable to Chad because she was so caught up in trying to have more babies (and having several miscarriages?) and then along came Abby and Julie almost immediately after. Chad was basically dumped and left to raise himself - any wonder he's acted out for years to get some attention from his parents?

There's something very 'off' about Ruby to me and I wonder if her fixation on all of the crazy psychobabble is more about her own issues and trauma. There's something very odd about the way this woman with no education or skills has chosen to market and exploit her own children for money. Obviously she sailed on Ellie and Jared's coattails to get where she is, but at the end of the day the channel has grown (as have all her sibling's channels) on the fact that they have moderately photogenic children. Take away all of the children out of the channel and nobody would bother to watch them.

[Kataja]

What I find strange is that she and Kevin both stated that they had been having problems with the kids for many years PRIOR to starting their Youtube channel. She also said that they had been following the advice of 'professionals' (whatever that means). Doesn't that clearly point to the fact that Ruby and Kevin's parenting skills were sub-par even back then - pre-Youtube?

I suspect that Chad has been a pretty difficult kid over the years, but how much of that is probably due to the lack of attention he received past the age of around 2? Ruby would been very unavailable to Chad because she was so caught up in trying to have more babies (and having several miscarriages?) and then along came Abby and Julie almost immediately after. Chad was basically dumped and left to raise himself - any wonder he's acted out for years to get some attention from his parents?

There's something very 'off' about Ruby to me and I wonder if her fixation on all of the crazy psychobabble is more about her own issues and trauma. There's something very odd about the way this woman with no education or skills has chosen to market and exploit her own children for money. Obviously she sailed on Ellie and Jared's coattails to get where she is, but at the end of the day the channel has grown (as have all her sibling's channels) on the fact that they have moderately photogenic children. Take away all of the children out of the channel and nobody would bother to watch them.

I think Ruby is the root cause for their family issues and she is strongly reflecting it on her kids. Don't get me wrong, I think Kevin is also responsible but instead of that she is enabling Ruby.

All the problems the kids have emotionally and physically can probably be tracked back to Ruby and her treatment of her kids...

[jellybean616]

What I find strange is that she and Kevin both stated that they had been having problems with the kids for many years PRIOR to starting their Youtube channel. She also said that they had been following the advice of 'professionals' (whatever that means). Doesn't that clearly point to the fact that Ruby and Kevin's parenting skills were sub-par even back then - pre-Youtube?

I suspect that Chad has been a pretty difficult kid over the years, but how much of that is probably due to the lack of attention he received past the age of around 2? Ruby would been very unavailable to Chad because she was so caught up in trying to have more babies (and having several miscarriages?) and then along came Abby and Julie almost immediately after. Chad was basically dumped and left to raise himself - any wonder he's acted out for years to get some attention from his parents?

There's something very 'off' about Ruby to me and I wonder if her fixation on all of the crazy psychobabble is more about her own issues and trauma. There's something very odd about the way this woman with no education or skills has chosen to market and exploit her own children for money. Obviously she sailed on Ellie and Jared's coattails to get where she is, but at the end of the day the channel has grown (as have all her sibling's channels) on the fact that they have moderately photogenic children. Take away all of the children out of the channel and nobody would bother to watch them.

Good point. I agree that all the siblings seem to be affected by the lack of attention they received when younger, and Chad seems to have been affected most of all. He seems to resent the youngest children the most, whereas he gets along very well with Shari and Abby. I was watching this video (see below) from when Chad was 7 and Julie was 3- Ruby was interviewing Chad about his xmas presents and Julie walked into the room (off camera). Chad became very angry (probably as a sibling had once again taken his mother's attention away from him) and Ruby quickly stopped filming just as his outburst began. I think this vid was a probably a reflection of how he was as small child- he obviously had to deal with a lot of pent-up rage over the years, at how much more attention the youngest siblings get. In many families, the siblings that fight most are usually the ones who are closest in age so I always find it odd that in the Franke family, the most conflict is between Chad and Russell and they have a 7 year age gap.

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[paperbagprincess]

There is a TicTok channel that is posting a ton of clips of Ruby being horrific. Tons of views and the comments are interesting.

What’s the name of the channel ??

8passengerstea.

[boychik0830]

no video from shari yet today unless she isn't going to be post one today likely because of all of the drama happening from fridays video. i think ruby knows she is doing wrong things but doesn't want to admit it and is trying to cover it up. this is definitely abuse not just ruby being being a strict parent because of the no bed for chad and how ruby wouldn't bring a lunch to eve when she forgot it. At first I thought it was strict parenting but after the video last Friday it made me realize that it was abuse which I never realized after watching all of their videos. She cares more about money and the reputation of her channel more than her own childs needs and wants especially with eve and chad. Eve is 6 years old and basically has to take care of herself as her parents can't be bothered to make her a lunch and make sure she doesn't wear the same thing several days in a row. something has to be done to make sure these kids have a normal life like having the channel get removed and if that happens i'm sure ruby will blame it on chad and will a even crueler punishment than losing the bed for 7 months.

[lmmomSD]

They either pulled Chad from school or he was expelled a couple of years ago for "anger issues". Ruby homeschooled him for a year,(which was a joke of course) and then I think he started at the private school.
Sure, the kids' issues go back to Ruby, but she is a product of her upbringing as well. She didn't become the way she is in a vacuum. St. Jennifer and Chad the Elder molded her. Hearing Bonnie and Ellie talk about their grandmother makes it seem that it goes back at least one more generation. They all worship their grandmother, and the Griffiths women worship Jennifer.
Hopefully this generation can break the cycle.
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[Tiger27]

I did a deep dive to try and find the femur fracture video. It appears to have been deleted. It was first mentioned on this site on August 3rd, 2017 and I went back to try and find correlating videos and while there was content posted on that date, it didn’t match. From old posts here, it sounds like she talked about it during a lake day vlog and that is nowhere to be found in that time frame. How convenient.

Next time I have some free time I’ll attempt to find some other damning videos we’ve seen over the years. It’s about time they be exposed. Don’t want to say which yet because while they are probably already scrubbed from the channel, I don’t want to give Ruby a head start when she reads here.


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[Acaena]

Hopefully this generation can break the cycle.
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I really hope so and I hope, it starts with all the kids getting a good education that makes them ready for good jobs before they marry and have children. They need to leave this weird bubble, they live in. I am a bit older than Ruby and growing up (in Germany), I can not remember a single parent who would have been fine (or even happy) with their girl dropping out of college to marry and have kids. The ideal of marriage and kids (and no decent job) sounds more like something my grandparents generation thought that was the goal for girls. Not my parents. The Franke kids urgently need to experience other life styles, opinions, cultures...

Watching the vlog yesterday I thought, they must have had a conversation with their advisors that was like: "What are your main audience groups?" Ruby and Kevin: "Teenagers, Kids ... and ..." Advisor: "Teenagers! Kids! Great. What do teenagers and kids like? Sweets, Games ... YES! Lets do that."