8 Passengers: Spreading a Disease while Doing As I Please | Part #16

[amyfalafalagain]

This one sums it up well

[amyfalafalagain]

I'm assuming they have been advised to lie lie for a while until things blow over a bit, and then perhaps release a weepy video talking about how awful it's been to deal with all the nasty people picking on them.
I doubt CPS would come to anything, as it would be easy enough to screw Chad's doors back on, brief the kids to behave, and delete any videos with dodgy behaviour evidence.
I slightly worry if they stop vlogging, purely because at least if they are then their behaviour is partially under scrutiny. If they disappear then there's unlikely to be anyone watching out for those kids.

I agree that CPS could be pretty easily appeased given that the family does have plenty of money, food in the house, each kid does have a bed and clothes so their basic needs are met. The kids act for a living afterall. I wonder how much Ruby will pay them to say certain things or not say them.

But whether or not this is something CPS would normally investigate, I'm pretty sure they've gotten hundreds of calls about the Frankes since that video. So I imagine they are looking into the situation, even if it amounts to nothing.

I do wonder if they will turn it into click bait... "Investigated by CPS!" and then go on self righteously about how actually they got a glowing review and CPS thinks more parents should be like them, etc etc

All this and from experience of threatening my own mother with calling cps on her she told me all that bad things that will happen to me if she’s locked up in jail and would try to scare me and my brothers who were scared. I should have done it. I still have photos of her attacks on me all these years later. She still won’t admit she did any of it.

[Swiss Miss]

She will definitely blame him for ruining her channel she said to him after Anasz that he had ruined all their vacations or sth the like!
The issue she has is fine lady you take away everything from the kids electronics games friends beds everything at least provide an outlet! Get off your rear and sign them up to activities football, dancing, swimming etc! Then get it together and drive them to their sessions! They can’t just exist they are growing minds they need some form of stimulation!
And seriously stop abusing the word entitlement nothing wrong with feeling special now and then!!!!
I’m also surprised all these videos calling her out but not one mention that Chad said in that video he was forced to wake at 5 and stare at the safe in which his electronics were locked and think about his actions! That is just sadistic!

My daughter (that we adopted domestically as an infant) reminds me a lot of Chad. She has ALWAYS been a boat-load of work and she's the reason I stopped with three kids. Many of her behaviors of Chad's seem similar. There are a lot of anger issues. She's always trying to push our comfort zones, and pushes boundaries over and over and over again. You can take her on vacation and tell her we are doing A, B and C activities. But she's never satisfied and always will push our boundaries to do what she wants. Maybe the plan is going to beach A. But she will want Beach B so badly that she will be in a foul mood the entire time and her anger just ruins the day's excursion. So I get it where Ruby says that he ruins vacations. Because my daughter does the same thing. My daughter will completely loose it over a simple request like being asked to walk a shopping cart in a parking lot thirty feet back to the corral. She just really reacts in extreme ways to every day type of things and its completely exhausting. She is also not very motivated with schoolwork and I know Ruby has had serious concerns about this with her son as well.

More similarities to Chad. She is physically very mature for her age, but yet is very immature. Her immaturity really causes issues at time. She is extremely impulsive. I guess I do see that impulsivity in Chad and that causes him to get into trouble a lot. The only thing that I've found that helps manage my daughters outbursts, and extreme behaviors is by putting her into sports that literally wear her out. She goes to a sport 5 hours a week now where she's doing cardio the entire time. Wearing her out physically does really help and she's much easier to handle when she's physically worn out. At times I've wondered if it was ADHD or a touch of bipolar or whatnot. I've never been able to pinpoint it. I've never in my life seen someone who wants control more than Ruby. And at the root of it Chad has a lot of control issues as well. So they have a double wammy of control issues in that household.

Sounds tough but thanks for sharing. My teenage daughter was also very angry. Although she has calmed down and matured a lot in the past year, her aggression is still apparent when there are certain triggers like tiredness or PMT or having a fight with a friend. However, like I said, things have improved hugely over the past year and we very much love spending time with her now

[Alycat_2001_uk]

She will definitely blame him for ruining her channel she said to him after Anasz that he had ruined all their vacations or sth the like!
The issue she has is fine lady you take away everything from the kids electronics games friends beds everything at least provide an outlet! Get off your rear and sign them up to activities football, dancing, swimming etc! Then get it together and drive them to their sessions! They can’t just exist they are growing minds they need some form of stimulation!
And seriously stop abusing the word entitlement nothing wrong with feeling special now and then!!!!
I’m also surprised all these videos calling her out but not one mention that Chad said in that video he was forced to wake at 5 and stare at the safe in which his electronics were locked and think about his actions! That is just sadistic!

My daughter (that we adopted domestically as an infant) reminds me a lot of Chad. She has ALWAYS been a boat-load of work and she's the reason I stopped with three kids. Many of her behaviors of Chad's seem similar. There are a lot of anger issues. She's always trying to push our comfort zones, and pushes boundaries over and over and over again. You can take her on vacation and tell her we are doing A, B and C activities. But she's never satisfied and always will push our boundaries to do what she wants. Maybe the plan is going to beach A. But she will want Beach B so badly that she will be in a foul mood the entire time and her anger just ruins the day's excursion. So I get it where Ruby says that he ruins vacations. Because my daughter does the same thing. My daughter will completely loose it over a simple request like being asked to walk a shopping cart in a parking lot thirty feet back to the corral. She just really reacts in extreme ways to every day type of things and its completely exhausting. She is also not very motivated with schoolwork and I know Ruby has had serious concerns about this with her son as well.

More similarities to Chad. She is physically very mature for her age, but yet is very immature. Her immaturity really causes issues at time. She is extremely impulsive. I guess I do see that impulsivity in Chad and that causes him to get into trouble a lot. The only thing that I've found that helps manage my daughters outbursts, and extreme behaviors is by putting her into sports that literally wear her out. She goes to a sport 5 hours a week now where she's doing cardio the entire time. Wearing her out physically does really help and she's much easier to handle when she's physically worn out. At times I've wondered if it was ADHD or a touch of bipolar or whatnot. I've never been able to pinpoint it. I've never in my life seen someone who wants control more than Ruby. And at the root of it Chad has a lot of control issues as well. So they have a double wammy of control issues in that household.

But do you repeatedly tell her she's ruining things? That she's the problem? Do you throw out all her clothes and refuse to pay for any replacements? Do you make her sleep on the floor for months on end? Do you film her and show thousands of strangers very private things about her?
If your daughter was adopted then she may well have residual issues from her previous home life. I don't know how much they have told you about it, but I've worked with kids in similar situations and they often have long lasting issues.
I also know many teenagers who sulk etc because the different hormones raging through them is more than they are able to process.
You have already stated that you put your daughter in sports, so you are giving her a more positive outlet than Ruby is doing. Hopefully you are also putting in effort to build her self esteem. Hopefully you tell her that your love is not conditional.

[AlexVause]

The comments on the drama investigator video are gold:

I like how he says his kids have had emotional and behavioral issues. Well yes your kids are neglected and abused who doesn’t feed their kids

Her husband has been quoted as saying by living their life as they do people will be curious and want to learn more about their religion--ummm, please if their treatment of their children is a reflection of their religion, count me out. Hard pass.

She sounds so Patronizing in that clip, like we're children who are triggered by CARING MORE ABOUT HER CHILDREN THEN SHE DOES APPARANTLY

Idk who they are but it looks like they are typical breeders who dont have energy and time for 6 kids.

The children aren’t allowed to have electronics (not even tv), but she stills vlogs their whole life....

She's the textbook definition of a Karen. Hypocritical, egotistical and cruel.
She's the Karen to rule them all...

[emlyx]

I was trying to find a video of Ruby saying (maybe on her porch) that Eve missed a lot of school because she didn't wake up, and that she was old enough to do it, anyone remembers that?

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[JayBlack]

Ruby could write a manual on how to guarantee your children murder you while you’re sleeping. Waking up your child at 5am to stare at a safe of their confiscated items in so fucked up and abusive. This is the kind of stuff you hear about when you hear those stories on how a teenager snapped and murdered their parents.


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Does anyone have receipts for this claim??? That is actually incredibly insane. How do the older kids not absolutely lose their shit on her?? If my mom was acting like a psychopath and forced my brother to wake up at 5am and stare at a safe I would not be able to sit there and not say anything I wouldn’t be able to hold back telling her how insane she is.


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[JayBlack]

I'm assuming they have been advised to lie lie for a while until things blow over a bit, and then perhaps release a weepy video talking about how awful it's been to deal with all the nasty people picking on them.
I doubt CPS would come to anything, as it would be easy enough to screw Chad's doors back on, brief the kids to behave, and delete any videos with dodgy behaviour evidence.
I slightly worry if they stop vlogging, purely because at least if they are then their behaviour is partially under scrutiny. If they disappear then there's unlikely to be anyone watching out for those kids.

I agree that CPS could be pretty easily appeased given that the family does have plenty of money, food in the house, each kid does have a bed and clothes so their basic needs are met. The kids act for a living afterall. I wonder how much Ruby will pay them to say certain things or not say them.

But whether or not this is something CPS would normally investigate, I'm pretty sure they've gotten hundreds of calls about the Frankes since that video. So I imagine they are looking into the situation, even if it amounts to nothing.

I do wonder if they will turn it into click bait... "Investigated by CPS!" and then go on self righteously about how actually they got a glowing review and CPS thinks more parents should be like them, etc etc

This is what happened with Danielle Cohn’s mom. There were so many calls to CPS that they actually did an investigation and then Dani’s mom went on her instagram gloating about how they passed.


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[Addicted2vlogs]

I can’t believe this is all happening. About bloody time! Is anyone able to point me to the approximate page number I can find where the blow up started.

Can anyone provide cliff notes on what has been the opinions of why chad slept on the floor for 7 months, had his bedroom and bathroom doors removed, and frankly, his rights violated? Surely “bad, angry behaviour” isn’t just it.


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[Happy+Charlie]

Ya know, we are not supposed to judge Ruby and Kevin's parenting based on the few minutes of clips they show each day.......so, how is it Ruby can honestly think she's doing a great job and is a great mother based on the minions who watch her those same few minutes of clips? That is why she thinks she's a great mom, because she has viewers telling her so. The praisers are getting the same content as us "haters," and are allowed to draw their conclusions based off of a few minutes of content each day, but we are not allowed to do the same, how is that?

As another has said, Ruby Do did it this time, and she cannot blame anyone but herself and Kevin for their sickening ways. I hope Chad breaks away and writes a book.

[eloise92]

She will definitely blame him for ruining her channel she said to him after Anasz that he had ruined all their vacations or sth the like!
The issue she has is fine lady you take away everything from the kids electronics games friends beds everything at least provide an outlet! Get off your rear and sign them up to activities football, dancing, swimming etc! Then get it together and drive them to their sessions! They can’t just exist they are growing minds they need some form of stimulation!
And seriously stop abusing the word entitlement nothing wrong with feeling special now and then!!!!
I’m also surprised all these videos calling her out but not one mention that Chad said in that video he was forced to wake at 5 and stare at the safe in which his electronics were locked and think about his actions! That is just sadistic!

My daughter (that we adopted domestically as an infant) reminds me a lot of Chad. She has ALWAYS been a boat-load of work and she's the reason I stopped with three kids. Many of her behaviors of Chad's seem similar. There are a lot of anger issues. She's always trying to push our comfort zones, and pushes boundaries over and over and over again. You can take her on vacation and tell her we are doing A, B and C activities. But she's never satisfied and always will push our boundaries to do what she wants. Maybe the plan is going to beach A. But she will want Beach B so badly that she will be in a foul mood the entire time and her anger just ruins the day's excursion. So I get it where Ruby says that he ruins vacations. Because my daughter does the same thing. My daughter will completely loose it over a simple request like being asked to walk a shopping cart in a parking lot thirty feet back to the corral. She just really reacts in extreme ways to every day type of things and its completely exhausting. She is also not very motivated with schoolwork and I know Ruby has had serious concerns about this with her son as well.

More similarities to Chad. She is physically very mature for her age, but yet is very immature. Her immaturity really causes issues at time. She is extremely impulsive. I guess I do see that impulsivity in Chad and that causes him to get into trouble a lot. The only thing that I've found that helps manage my daughters outbursts, and extreme behaviors is by putting her into sports that literally wear her out. She goes to a sport 5 hours a week now where she's doing cardio the entire time. Wearing her out physically does really help and she's much easier to handle when she's physically worn out. At times I've wondered if it was ADHD or a touch of bipolar or whatnot. I've never been able to pinpoint it. I've never in my life seen someone who wants control more than Ruby. And at the root of it Chad has a lot of control issues as well. So they have a double wammy of control issues in that household.

I would seriously consider exploring ADHD and FASD (Foetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder) with a professional based on your description. It doesn't sound like bi-polar. I don't work clinically but I am a research psychologist specialising in developmental conditions.

[YTIG60]

I think it is possible their channel is done. If so, they are going to miss the YT money and they'll need to live on Kevin's salary. Kevin can't take the chance to be seen as part of a parenting couple who is disciplining kids that results in an online petition stating they should be investigated. In addition, you have brand deals that will not want to work with them now or in the future.
If they never upload a vlog again, the one who benefits the most is Chad.
Their channel also runs a high risk of being demonetized. They've certainly received a lot of bad publicity on YT, blogs and articles. https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/8 ... nt-1374730

[YTIG60]

As another has said, Ruby Do did it this time, and she cannot blame anyone but herself and Kevin for their sickening ways. I hope Chad breaks away and writes a book.

I image her sisters are intently watching what is going on with Ruby. This is not unlike when Bonnie was demonetized due to how she filmed her children. The thing is, Bonnie didn't change.
I have no idea what Julie, Landon, Jared and Ellie are living on, but someone mentioned on C&K about collecting unemployment with their business income down. Julie and Landon probably receive other government assistance just like Ruby said they've done in the past. How ironic Bonnie mentioned that you get paid only when you work when speaking about Bri's hours being cut. Bonnie is the most vulnerable since she still has a viable channel, but she'll need to be careful since her strict discipline style could find her channel in trouble too.

[Parktown]

I'm assuming they have been advised to lie lie for a while until things blow over a bit, and then perhaps release a weepy video talking about how awful it's been to deal with all the nasty people picking on them.
I doubt CPS would come to anything, as it would be easy enough to screw Chad's doors back on, brief the kids to behave, and delete any videos with dodgy behaviour evidence.
I slightly worry if they stop vlogging, purely because at least if they are then their behaviour is partially under scrutiny. If they disappear then there's unlikely to be anyone watching out for those kids.

I agree that CPS could be pretty easily appeased given that the family does have plenty of money, food in the house, each kid does have a bed and clothes so their basic needs are met. The kids act for a living afterall. I wonder how much Ruby will pay them to say certain things or not say them.

But whether or not this is something CPS would normally investigate, I'm pretty sure they've gotten hundreds of calls about the Frankes since that video. So I imagine they are looking into the situation, even if it amounts to nothing.

I do wonder if they will turn it into click bait... "Investigated by CPS!" and then go on self righteously about how actually they got a glowing review and CPS thinks more parents should be like them, etc etc

All this and from experience of threatening my own mother with calling cps on her she told me all that bad things that will happen to me if she’s locked up in jail and would try to scare me and my brothers who were scared. I should have done it. I still have photos of her attacks on me all these years later. She still won’t admit she did any of it.

Stop waiting for her to apologise because it takes away more from you! I’m so very sorry you had to live through that!One of the best phrases I read once was ‘Don’t raise your children in a way that will make them live their whole lives getting over their childhood!
I am so pleased you survived and are well and here today and though we are virtual communicators one giant hug to that little self of yours! You were and always are worth more! She was the broken one!!!!

[ba1006]

One look at Julie's room and CPS might wonder why she only has a mattress on the floor and nothing else but a bird cage in that room. I want to know why they have to have nothing. they would look at Chad's books and wonder where his bookcase is, and why he has a twin mattress on a full bed frame. Ruby would probably use the excuse that they just moved into a new house.

I was watching videos from the last few weeks and saw Julie and Ruby talking sitting next to a wooden bed frame... who's bed is that?

CPS is looking for signs of abuse or neglect like bruises or undernourished children. They don't care about a missing bed frame or bookcase. They live in a nice house and appear to feed their children so nothing will happen to them. Hopefully, Ruby and Kevin will look deep into themselves and see how damaging putting a camera on their children for the world to see really is. These kids need privacy and friends to interact with. You know, basic needs.

[Tiger27]

I have a feeling Ruby will let this blow over and go back to vlogging like nothing ever happened. Only change is that she will be particularly careful about what she posts to make sure they are shown in picture perfect family light. It’s a little scary because right now we catch little glimpses into their bizarre world but I think Ruby is going to make sure nothing remotely controversial is posted moving forward (if she wants to keep the channel afloat).

From what I can tell, their channel has been totally scrubbed of anything controversial talked about here. Russell’s femur, Julie’s flat head, Julie being left in spiked clothing so long at age 2 that other kids were complaining she smelled, Ruby alluding to a pill issue, etc. Its wild that all these instances just went over most people’s heads and they are just now finally being exposed.


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[rd_valo]

She will definitely blame him for ruining her channel she said to him after Anasz that he had ruined all their vacations or sth the like!
The issue she has is fine lady you take away everything from the kids electronics games friends beds everything at least provide an outlet! Get off your rear and sign them up to activities football, dancing, swimming etc! Then get it together and drive them to their sessions! They can’t just exist they are growing minds they need some form of stimulation!
And seriously stop abusing the word entitlement nothing wrong with feeling special now and then!!!!
I’m also surprised all these videos calling her out but not one mention that Chad said in that video he was forced to wake at 5 and stare at the safe in which his electronics were locked and think about his actions! That is just sadistic!

My daughter (that we adopted domestically as an infant) reminds me a lot of Chad. She has ALWAYS been a boat-load of work and she's the reason I stopped with three kids. Many of her behaviors of Chad's seem similar. There are a lot of anger issues. She's always trying to push our comfort zones, and pushes boundaries over and over and over again. You can take her on vacation and tell her we are doing A, B and C activities. But she's never satisfied and always will push our boundaries to do what she wants. Maybe the plan is going to beach A. But she will want Beach B so badly that she will be in a foul mood the entire time and her anger just ruins the day's excursion. So I get it where Ruby says that he ruins vacations. Because my daughter does the same thing. My daughter will completely loose it over a simple request like being asked to walk a shopping cart in a parking lot thirty feet back to the corral. She just really reacts in extreme ways to every day type of things and its completely exhausting. She is also not very motivated with schoolwork and I know Ruby has had serious concerns about this with her son as well.

More similarities to Chad. She is physically very mature for her age, but yet is very immature. Her immaturity really causes issues at time. She is extremely impulsive. I guess I do see that impulsivity in Chad and that causes him to get into trouble a lot. The only thing that I've found that helps manage my daughters outbursts, and extreme behaviors is by putting her into sports that literally wear her out. She goes to a sport 5 hours a week now where she's doing cardio the entire time. Wearing her out physically does really help and she's much easier to handle when she's physically worn out. At times I've wondered if it was ADHD or a touch of bipolar or whatnot. I've never been able to pinpoint it. I've never in my life seen someone who wants control more than Ruby. And at the root of it Chad has a lot of control issues as well. So they have a double wammy of control issues in that household.

I would seriously consider exploring ADHD and FASD (Foetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder) with a professional based on your description. It doesn't sound like bi-polar. I don't work clinically but I am a research psychologist specialising in developmental conditions.

Wow. Completely off topic, but would it be OK to dm you, please? I'm looking to start uni, and I particularly want to get into research psychology, but more to do with personality disorders in adults. Would love to know more about what your career path entails, to help make sure I'm heading down the right route.

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[OnAPlaydate]

I have a feeling Ruby will let this blow over and go back to vlogging like nothing ever happened. Only change is that she will be particularly careful about what she posts to make sure they are shown in picture perfect family light. It’s a little scary because right now we catch little glimpses into their bizarre world but I think Ruby is going to make sure nothing remotely controversial is posted moving forward (if she wants to keep the channel afloat).

From what I can tell, their channel has been totally scrubbed of anything controversial talked about here. Russell’s femur, Julie’s flat head, Julie being left in spiked clothing so long at age 2 that other kids were complaining she smelled, Ruby alluding to a pill issue, etc. Its wild that all these instances just went over most people’s heads and they are just now finally being exposed.


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Ruby probably will try that, but the reason it won't work is going to be that Ruby doesn't understand what's controversial and why. I think that's why we've gotten so many glimpses before. She doesn't understand that normal parents don't treat their kids the way she does.

[YTIG60]

I have a feeling Ruby will let this blow over and go back to vlogging like nothing ever happened. Only change is that she will be particularly careful about what she posts to make sure they are shown in picture perfect family light. It’s a little scary because right now we catch little glimpses into their bizarre world but I think Ruby is going to make sure nothing remotely controversial is posted moving forward (if she wants to keep the channel afloat).

From what I can tell, their channel has been totally scrubbed of anything controversial talked about here. Russell’s femur, Julie’s flat head, Julie being left in spiked clothing so long at age 2 that other kids were complaining she smelled, Ruby alluding to a pill issue, etc. Its wild that all these instances just went over most people’s heads and they are just now finally being exposed.


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Ruby probably will try that, but the reason it won't work is going to be that Ruby doesn't understand what's controversial and why. I think that's why we've gotten so many glimpses before. She doesn't understand that normal parents don't treat their kids the way she does.

I see Ruby's not on IG right now too. My guess a hired lawyer would tell them to stay off social media now and into the future.
I agree, Ruby feels she did nothing wrong with her parenting and I don't think she will change. My example is Bonnie not changing after being demonetizing. But Bonnie didn't have the publicity Ruby has and it is still possible they are done.
While they may have scrub their channel, there is enough vloggers who have clips of their parenting issues that were critical of this channel.

[athyker]

omg, the mother and father on the Emma and Ellie channel are horrible. The way they treat the two girls. Ellie is catered to but constantly has an attitude, Emma the oldest is such a sweet girl that they constantly tease and not in a nice way, they make negative mean comments.
If Emma wasn't in the videos there's no way the channel would survive. Emma is a cash cow with her own channel and the family channel to aid the mothers horrible shopping addiction. I could go on and on but I'm just shedding some light on that channel.