8 Passengers: Emotional Abuse Galore & Making Kids Sleep on The Floor | Part 17

[WheresMyCoffee]

Smonkey Glow (video above) mentions there are rumors the camp Chad was sent to was an LGBT conversion camp.. she could find no confirmation of this but it got me thinking, could Chad be gay??? and that is why he was sent to the camp, may be why he is acting out and why his bed/room were taken away? (so he has no privacy, bed=where perversion could happen?) I know they are hardcore mormons so... thoughts? apologies if this has been brought up already!

[Hannah]

Dr. Grande has a YT channel where he analyzes psychopathic personalities and disorders. Here, he is commenting not only on 8 Passengers but on family vloggers and in general.

[Kattiness Everdeen]

Dr. Grande has a YT channel where he analyzes psychopathic personalities and disorders. Here, he is commenting not only on 8 Passengers but on family vloggers and in general.

I came here to post this. Dr. Grande admittedly said he only watched a few min of their content, so I don't think he understands the the entirety of the damage being done to these children. I was thrilled that he clearly indicated that the only reason people watch the channel is the children, and that nobody would watch if it were only Ruby and Kevin. Also, that it is in fact work, and that people would be outraged if they instead owned a farm and had a 6 yr old riding a tractor and plowing the fields.

However, I think this is officially the first instance of a doctor calling for federal legislation to protect children being exploited on non traditional media. We now have a psychologist and a social worker speaking out. I sure hope this trend continues.....maybe a lawyer next? I know several reality tv kids who could desperately use their advice already, and it is only a matter of time before the YT kids come to the same realizations. Are these kids legally entitled to the earnings?

[nesland300]

Smonkey Glow (video above) mentions there are rumors the camp Chad was sent to was an LGBT conversion camp.. she could find no confirmation of this but it got me thinking, could Chad be gay??? and that is why he was sent to the camp, may be why he is acting out and why his bed/room were taken away? (so he has no privacy, bed=where perversion could happen?) I know they are hardcore mormons so... thoughts? apologies if this has been brought up already!

I think it's possible and his ballroom dance phase made me wonder, especially abruptly it ended when he seemed so into it. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember them making him choose between it and football. If this turned out to be the case, it would make sense that they gave him a "choice" on camera but chose football for him off camera. It would also mesh with sending him away, the no privacy, deleting his social media and taking his phone permanently. As far as I know we haven't seen any direct evidence of it, but that doesn't mean much considering Ruby wouldn't include it in the videos anyway.

[ThisIsMeCeej]

Smonkey Glow (video above) mentions there are rumors the camp Chad was sent to was an LGBT conversion camp.. she could find no confirmation of this but it got me thinking, could Chad be gay??? and that is why he was sent to the camp, may be why he is acting out and why his bed/room were taken away? (so he has no privacy, bed=where perversion could happen?) I know they are hardcore mormons so... thoughts? apologies if this has been brought up already!

I have read people mentioning that Rylan from Cute Girls Hairstyles, was sent away for this reason.. moreso, she was acting out, because her parents wouldn't accept her as she is (lesbian/bi). But, you know how the rumor mill is.. they also say that Kamri is as well, but... she's still at home, while Rylan was sent away.

Didn't Ruby and Kevin once say they would be accepting if any of their children were to ever say they were gay though? Or did I mistake them with another family? But, if it was them... I guess everybody lies, especially Ruby, her parents and siblings.

[ForeverGauc01]

Smonkey Glow (video above) mentions there are rumors the camp Chad was sent to was an LGBT conversion camp.. she could find no confirmation of this but it got me thinking, could Chad be gay??? and that is why he was sent to the camp, may be why he is acting out and why his bed/room were taken away? (so he has no privacy, bed=where perversion could happen?) I know they are hardcore mormons so... thoughts? apologies if this has been brought up already!

I interpreted that as the camp has that “service” not that chad was specifically sent there for conversion.
I whole heartedly believe chad was sent there for his “poor behaviour”


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[SwiftlyD]

I'm watching smokey glow's recap video of the drama about the bed and she said that Anasazi might be (she couldn't find any proof) used for an LGBTQ conversion camp and they kids have died there. I'm not saying that I think Chad is gay at all I just find this possibility equal parts interesting and horrifying.

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[blairwaldorf_]

I interpreted that as the camp has that “service” not that chad was specifically sent there for conversion.
I whole heartedly believe chad was sent there for his “poor behaviour”


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This is true, but they also use that quack of a therapist and her specialty is sex therapy. Plus have we discussed how she had her licensed suspended for over a year for extorting am man and outing him to the church. Why would Ruby put her child psychological well-being in the hands of someone like that.

[scd]

The comments about Ruby making such small portions of food combined with my own upbringing make me wonder why so many religious moms seem to have some sort of poverty kink.
My mom would do things like make half a pound of pasta for the whole family for dinner and then say things like "don't take too much, that's all there is" while the other half pound of pasta plus five more boxes sat untouched in the pantry. Then when it inevitably ran out while everyone was still hungry (or before everyone even got a first helping) she would claim she had no idea that wasn't enough for everyone and then get upset to the point of going off to sulk by herself if anyone made themselves a sandwich. She would buy multiple 12 packs of soda at a time but make the whole family split one can at a mealtime so it "wouldn't run out too fast". She would buy one frozen pizza for the whole family then only allow everyone one slice because she was going to save the rest for "another time", knowing full well that she was going to let it go bad in the fridge and then throw it out. She would buy food items that no one was allowed to eat because she was "saving it for a special recipe", but then when it went bad she would get upset and ask why no one ate it before it went bad.
There were other mothers in our church (non-LDS) like this too, and it would lead to things like refilling the soap dispensers in the church bathrooms with water and some very tense moments over potluck leftovers. Seeing the same bizarre relationship with food (and resources in general) in this Mormon family is fascinating to me. It makes me wonder if it has to do with a longing for the romanticized "struggling traditional mother" trope in a world where food scarcity isn't an issue for middle and upper class mothers.

I’ve seen this mentioned before but I’ve never noticed. What do you guys mean small portions? I always wondered why she served a large pot of soup in every vlog lol. Like those kids must get tired of soup. Anyone have video links to an example of the small portions?

[lmmomSD]

Smonkey Glow (video above) mentions there are rumors the camp Chad was sent to was an LGBT conversion camp.. she could find no confirmation of this but it got me thinking, could Chad be gay??? and that is why he was sent to the camp, may be why he is acting out and why his bed/room were taken away? (so he has no privacy, bed=where perversion could happen?) I know they are hardcore mormons so... thoughts? apologies if this has been brought up already!

I have read people mentioning that Rylan from Cute Girls Hairstyles, was sent away for this reason.. moreso, she was acting out, because her parents wouldn't accept her as she is (lesbian/bi). But, you know how the rumor mill is.. they also say that Kamri is as well, but... she's still at home, while Rylan was sent away.

Didn't Ruby and Kevin once say they would be accepting if any of their children were to ever say they were gay though? Or did I mistake them with another family? But, if it was them... I guess everybody lies, especially Ruby, her parents and siblings.

They _said_ they would be accepting, but they also did a video (deleted now, because they care more about subscribers than their convictions) showing themselves at Chick Fil-a "supporting" the homophobic owner. She was gleeful about it. And then she got a little pushback and very quickly and quietly took it down.
I don't think they would be accepting of a gay child. They just say they will, because it sounds better.
I just don't think we should be speculating on Chad's or Rylan's sexuality. They didn't ask for this. At all. I know you all mean well, but they are underage and didn't consent to their lives being online. FYI, there was apparently an account with conversations between Rylan and a boy that were definitely romantic in nature. There's posts about it on the GuruGossip thread.
I think Chad was just doing things "normal" teen boys do: gay or straight, it's normal to explore sex. You talk to them about it. You don't shame them and send them away, then take away their bedroom and bathroom doors.

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[lmmomSD]

The comments about Ruby making such small portions of food combined with my own upbringing make me wonder why so many religious moms seem to have some sort of poverty kink.
My mom would do things like make half a pound of pasta for the whole family for dinner and then say things like "don't take too much, that's all there is" while the other half pound of pasta plus five more boxes sat untouched in the pantry. Then when it inevitably ran out while everyone was still hungry (or before everyone even got a first helping) she would claim she had no idea that wasn't enough for everyone and then get upset to the point of going off to sulk by herself if anyone made themselves a sandwich. She would buy multiple 12 packs of soda at a time but make the whole family split one can at a mealtime so it "wouldn't run out too fast". She would buy one frozen pizza for the whole family then only allow everyone one slice because she was going to save the rest for "another time", knowing full well that she was going to let it go bad in the fridge and then throw it out. She would buy food items that no one was allowed to eat because she was "saving it for a special recipe", but then when it went bad she would get upset and ask why no one ate it before it went bad.
There were other mothers in our church (non-LDS) like this too, and it would lead to things like refilling the soap dispensers in the church bathrooms with water and some very tense moments over potluck leftovers. Seeing the same bizarre relationship with food (and resources in general) in this Mormon family is fascinating to me. It makes me wonder if it has to do with a longing for the romanticized "struggling traditional mother" trope in a world where food scarcity isn't an issue for middle and upper class mothers.

I’ve seen this mentioned before but I’ve never noticed. What do you guys mean small portions? I always wondered why she served a large pot of soup in every vlog lol. Like those kids must get tired of soup. Anyone have video links to an example of the small portions?

I don't know of specific links, but I remember Ruby recently making a casserole with meat and rice, and it was in no way big enough to feed 6 growing kids and 2 adults.
She didn't stock up the fridge before they left on vacation, so Shari had to go to the grocery store when they were supposed to be quarantined.

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[ThisIsMeCeej]

Smonkey Glow (video above) mentions there are rumors the camp Chad was sent to was an LGBT conversion camp.. she could find no confirmation of this but it got me thinking, could Chad be gay??? and that is why he was sent to the camp, may be why he is acting out and why his bed/room were taken away? (so he has no privacy, bed=where perversion could happen?) I know they are hardcore mormons so... thoughts? apologies if this has been brought up already!

I have read people mentioning that Rylan from Cute Girls Hairstyles, was sent away for this reason.. moreso, she was acting out, because her parents wouldn't accept her as she is (lesbian/bi). But, you know how the rumor mill is.. they also say that Kamri is as well, but... she's still at home, while Rylan was sent away.

Didn't Ruby and Kevin once say they would be accepting if any of their children were to ever say they were gay though? Or did I mistake them with another family? But, if it was them... I guess everybody lies, especially Ruby, her parents and siblings.

They _said_ they would be accepting, but they also did a video (deleted now, because they care more about subscribers than their convictions) showing themselves at Chick Fil-a "supporting" the homophobic owner. She was gleeful about it. And then she got a little pushback and very quickly and quietly took it down.
I don't think they would be accepting of a gay child. They just say they will, because it sounds better.
I just don't think we should be speculating on Chad's or Rylan's sexuality. They didn't ask for this. At all. I know you all mean well, but they are underage and didn't consent to their lives being online. FYI, there was apparently an account with conversations between Rylan and a boy that were definitely romantic in nature. There's posts about it on the GuruGossip thread.
I think Chad was just doing things "normal" teen boys do: gay or straight, it's normal to explore sex. You talk to them about it. You don't shame them and send them away, then take away their bedroom and bathroom doors.

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Oh I wasn't speculating or trying to on their sexuality, whatever they are or aren't is their business, and it's not even anyone's business. I was just saying it like "it's the rumor mill". I personally think Chad just has anger issues, and if I had Ruby and Kevin as parents, and Ruby's parents as grandparents... I think I would have anger as well. I do think his anger tamed lately though, which if I had my bed taken away, and my privacy, I wouldn't be able to hold my anger, so props to him.

[boychik0830]

they finally posted another video today but they didn't address what is going on against them in the video. they put something about the death of the george floyd and other black people and how everyone should be accepted no matter what their skin color or race is but i'm sure they don't accept anyone who isn't mormon. so they don't like other religions and they only posting that at the start of the video to make people think they were doing a good gesture as i'm sure they don't support black people at all. i don't think they are going to address it and are going to carefully upload videos with everyone acting normal so people believe that she has changed and won't do bad things anything so you doesn't put those things on camera anymore.

[nesland300]

During the past week, we as a family have solemnly contemplated the events occurring in the US since the despicable murder of George Floyd.

Sorry, this strikes me as deflecting from their own controversy. "We haven't been posting because we were sad about George Floyd. Totally nothing else going on with us!" I'm sure there's some sincerity in it, but that's what I mainly get from it.

[imoverit]

Ok no... adding a 5 second bit of text to the beginning of a video does not count as 'adding your voices' to those seeking to enact change in the country, nice try but actually not at all.

I love seeing Beau's house, that's one thing I'd love for him to show on his channel (even though I'm in favor of them keeping their kids off youtube!). It's beautiful and I bet it feels good knowing you provided it for your family without exploiting your children on the internet to buy it...

[lmmomSD]

I have read people mentioning that Rylan from Cute Girls Hairstyles, was sent away for this reason.. moreso, she was acting out, because her parents wouldn't accept her as she is (lesbian/bi). But, you know how the rumor mill is.. they also say that Kamri is as well, but... she's still at home, while Rylan was sent away.

Didn't Ruby and Kevin once say they would be accepting if any of their children were to ever say they were gay though? Or did I mistake them with another family? But, if it was them... I guess everybody lies, especially Ruby, her parents and siblings.

They _said_ they would be accepting, but they also did a video (deleted now, because they care more about subscribers than their convictions) showing themselves at Chick Fil-a "supporting" the homophobic owner. She was gleeful about it. And then she got a little pushback and very quickly and quietly took it down.
I don't think they would be accepting of a gay child. They just say they will, because it sounds better.
I just don't think we should be speculating on Chad's or Rylan's sexuality. They didn't ask for this. At all. I know you all mean well, but they are underage and didn't consent to their lives being online. FYI, there was apparently an account with conversations between Rylan and a boy that were definitely romantic in nature. There's posts about it on the GuruGossip thread.
I think Chad was just doing things "normal" teen boys do: gay or straight, it's normal to explore sex. You talk to them about it. You don't shame them and send them away, then take away their bedroom and bathroom doors.

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Oh I wasn't speculating or trying to on their sexuality, whatever they are or aren't is their business, and it's not even anyone's business. I was just saying it like "it's the rumor mill". I personally think Chad just has anger issues, and if I had Ruby and Kevin as parents, and Ruby's parents as grandparents... I think I would have anger as well. I do think his anger tamed lately though, which if I had my bed taken away, and my privacy, I wouldn't be able to hold my anger, so props to him.

Sorry if I sounded judgy. I agree that Chad probably has anger issues. Ruby "homeschooled" him for a while because of that, or so she said. And before he went to the private school, he was kicked out of the public school at one point.

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[ba1006]

They have a lot of nerve using George Floyd's murder and the issue of racism for their lack vlogging instead of addressing the real reason - the controversy of her channel which is all over the internet. That's really low.

[McGuinness_]

Can we just talk about how at that time in the video she said that one small plastic baggy of dog food is supposed to last several days??? I have two dogs, a big dog, and a small terrier, that one baggy wouldn't last him 2 days and he is very much a healthy weight, I sure hope they aren't starving their dog along with their daughter now. I also heavily dislike how they put in that few second clip of some text on their intro in "support" of the BLM moevment, despite them clearly doing nothing good to support it such as donating or spreading awareness, and when they did post an Instagram photo, Ruby used it as a way to minimalise her abuse and put the destruction of PROPERTY over HUMAN LIVES. OH! Chad is actually getting some peace and quiet???? Who knew that Ruby would leave Chad and Shari alone to the house, despite her clearly not having any trust in him, as shown by the lack of doors and no electronic! What had gotten into her? I also notice that his face drops when he looks at the camera, anyone else see it? He does it again at around 1:35, almost as if he is quickly dismissing his parents to get as much freedom as possible. Might be nothing but still strange nonetheless.

[YTIG60]

They have a lot of nerve using George Floyd's murder and the issue of racism for their lack vlogging instead of addressing the real reason - the controversy of her channel which is all over the internet. That's really low.

I don't know if this was her manager suggestion or her idea, but it has the potential to backfire. 75% likes so far. I believe her viewers will expect her to address HER issues at some point.
The NEW Ruby was sickening sweet. Even her voice was softer and at at a higher pitch.

[SwiftlyD]

Smonkey Glow (video above) mentions there are rumors the camp Chad was sent to was an LGBT conversion camp.. she could find no confirmation of this but it got me thinking, could Chad be gay??? and that is why he was sent to the camp, may be why he is acting out and why his bed/room were taken away? (so he has no privacy, bed=where perversion could happen?) I know they are hardcore mormons so... thoughts? apologies if this has been brought up already!

I have read people mentioning that Rylan from Cute Girls Hairstyles, was sent away for this reason.. moreso, she was acting out, because her parents wouldn't accept her as she is (lesbian/bi). But, you know how the rumor mill is.. they also say that Kamri is as well, but... she's still at home, while Rylan was sent away.

Didn't Ruby and Kevin once say they would be accepting if any of their children were to ever say they were gay though? Or did I mistake them with another family? But, if it was them... I guess everybody lies, especially Ruby, her parents and siblings.

They _said_ they would be accepting, but they also did a video (deleted now, because they care more about subscribers than their convictions) showing themselves at Chick Fil-a "supporting" the homophobic owner. She was gleeful about it. And then she got a little pushback and very quickly and quietly took it down.
I don't think they would be accepting of a gay child. They just say they will, because it sounds better.
I just don't think we should be speculating on Chad's or Rylan's sexuality. They didn't ask for this. At all. I know you all mean well, but they are underage and didn't consent to their lives being online. FYI, there was apparently an account with conversations between Rylan and a boy that were definitely romantic in nature. There's posts about it on the GuruGossip thread.
I think Chad was just doing things "normal" teen boys do: gay or straight, it's normal to explore sex. You talk to them about it. You don't shame them and send them away, then take away their bedroom and bathroom doors.



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