8 Passengers: Emotional Abuse Galore & Making Kids Sleep on The Floor | Part 17

[lmmomSD]

Smonkey Glow (video above) mentions there are rumors the camp Chad was sent to was an LGBT conversion camp.. she could find no confirmation of this but it got me thinking, could Chad be gay??? and that is why he was sent to the camp, may be why he is acting out and why his bed/room were taken away? (so he has no privacy, bed=where perversion could happen?) I know they are hardcore mormons so... thoughts? apologies if this has been brought up already!

I think it's possible and his ballroom dance phase made me wonder, especially abruptly it ended when he seemed so into it. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember them making him choose between it and football. If this turned out to be the case, it would make sense that they gave him a "choice" on camera but chose football for him off camera. It would also mesh with sending him away, the no privacy, deleting his social media and taking his phone permanently. As far as I know we haven't seen any direct evidence of it, but that doesn't mean much considering Ruby wouldn't include it in the videos anyway.

This might just be me, but I think that even if Chad was given a fair opportunity to choose between ballroom dance and football, and decided to ultimately do ballroom dance, that doesn't really say anything about him being gay. This is just my personal opinion, but I don't really see why there is so much seperation between what is deemed masculine and/or feminine hobbies and interests. If a boy likes doing makeup, that's great, it should not just be a 'feminine' thing and the boy could still like girls and be straight even if he does like makeup. If a female liked football, she wouldn't have to be lesbian to like football even if people see it as a more masculine hobby. You see what I mean? Of course if you are gay or lesbian there is absolutely nothing wrong with you, but the things that interest you/ things that you find genuinely interesting shouldn't deem your sexuality and who you are attracted to.

Thank you.
This family is entrenched in the traditional gender roles, but liking ballroom dancing doesn't mean Chad is gay.
And 100% Ruby just posted about BLM because everyone else is, just like she said that she would "want to meet" a same sex partner of any of her kids. The LDS church's official stance is that being gay isn't a sin, but acting on those desires definitely is. So it's fine to be gay as long as you are celibate. It's _possible_ that Ruby has changed and become more tolerant, but I really doubt it. Her inability to say she's wrong about anything else doesn't lead me to hope that her claiming acceptance of gays is anything other than lip service. She took her Chick Fil-a video down without a word. If she had really changed, one would hope she would say "when I made this video, I believed it was right. I have come to see that everyone should have the right to marry the person they love", or something along those lines. And I'm almost positive that she is the type to not believe white privilege exists, or even understand why people are so upset. She probably thinks it's George Floyd's "fault" that he was in a position to be confronted by the police in the first place. (I've seen other people saying basically that on SM).

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[Alycat_2001_uk]

Can we just talk about how at that time in the video she said that one small plastic baggy of dog food is supposed to last several days??? I have two dogs, a big dog, and a small terrier, that one baggy wouldn't last him 2 days and he is very much a healthy weight, I sure hope they aren't starving their dog along with their daughter now. I also heavily dislike how they put in that few second clip of some text on their intro in "support" of the BLM moevment, despite them clearly doing nothing good to support it such as donating or spreading awareness, and when they did post an Instagram photo, Ruby used it as a way to minimalise her abuse and put the destruction of PROPERTY over HUMAN LIVES. OH! Chad is actually getting some peace and quiet???? Who knew that Ruby would leave Chad and Shari alone to the house, despite her clearly not having any trust in him, as shown by the lack of doors and no electronic! What had gotten into her? I also notice that his face drops when he looks at the camera, anyone else see it? He does it again at around 1:35, almost as if he is quickly dismissing his parents to get as much freedom as possible. Might be nothing but still strange nonetheless.

It wouldn't surprise me AT ALL if Ruby took the electronics with her (the electronics that she could have taken anyway) including the TV remote, as a way to continue punishing Chad. She probably didn't take away any of Shari's electronics though, as she is the perfect brainwashed daughter Ruby always wanted. Also, maybe Ruby has Shari watching Chad to make sure he doesn't "misbehave," it wouldn't shock me if Shari told Ruby all the "bad" things he did while Ruby and the other family is away. I'm sorry if this came across as an attack on Shari, but I really cannot stand her anymore AT ALL. She has clearly proven that she is just another replica of her mother and honest to God, I worry for Shari's future 6+ children.

That would be downright EVIL. Although I do remember her mentioning a safe where his electronics and TV Remote are in, the same place she also mentioned she made him wake up at 6am and stare at to think about his actions... Also, if she did make her golden child look after him then that is wrong on so many levels... no privacy, no freedom... nothing.

I don't really judge Shari. She's a young kid still, and a people pleaser. You read stories of horrific abuse in families where siblings of the one receiving the abuse go along with things because they are scared it might be them instead if they do anything. Obviously this isn't as bad, but Ruby has clearly conditioned them to turn against each other. Her asking Chad how Eve should be punished is a good example. She's also previously punished all of them for something one of them has done, and that's also going to turn them against each other. We've seen Shari previously suggest that her mum is being too harsh to the others. Perhaps she got some backlash from her parents for doing so?

[WheresMyCoffee]

This video is probably one of the better videos out there on 8 Passengers. A lot of the other YouTube channels (I feel like) are ALL only covering the main 2 things they've heard about this family, which is Eve going without a lunch, and Chad sleeping on a beanbag for 7 months. While these 2 things are important, and the lady in this video mentioned them as well, she did a bit more research about other odd things Ruby has done to her children and she genuinely seemed concerned about these children's wellbeing over the YouTube views she would get for filming about 8 Passengers.

yes I am loving her videos, she is also a social worker so she has that knowledge as well. I wonder if we can send her topics to cover haha

[rulatows000]

No vlog today. I have a feeling they're going to keep doing this - tentatively posting a vlog here and there to test out if everything has blown over yet. I hope they keep doing that because they'll lose what fans they still somehow have if no one knows when/if they're going to post a video and they just randomly pop one out once a week or something. Also, if you look at the two videos they posted before their most recent one they have far more dislikes than likes, while their most recent one has 6k likes and 5k dislikes.

Bonnie posted a vlog about the Griffiths family reunion today. The Frankes were there and they showed the kids a couple of times. They talked to Russell at one point and showed Eve and Abby playing with their cousins a couple times. Looks like Shari and Chad came along for this trip, too. Only showed Ruby and Kevin in the background again, never spoke to them or filmed them directly. She didn't really directly show any of her siblings, though, except for Beau. Wonder if its intentional or not, but doesn't seem like a coincidence that both Julie and Bonnie would happen to not include any footage of Ruby and Kevin.

[Gnomefan212]

Chad had been allowed to play football - I’m glad as he missed out last year

[Catface2]

I personally think chad knew exactly what he was doing when he blew her shitty ways all over the now infamous vlog. He exposed her and all the abusive shit she puts them through. None of those kids want to be on the internet. You can see it in their eyes and body language. I really hope he isn’t being punished more than he has already has been. Those kids NEED a normal life. I also bet they aren’t going to the private school anymore because they’ve been reported for neglect...no lunch, dirty clothes etc. Teachers have to report that stuff. There is no way they could afford it when their channel tanks anyway. I really hope they put the camera away and have some normalcy...but with insane Ruby and sanctimonious Kevin...doubtful.

[Josette]

Smonkey Glow (video above) mentions there are rumors the camp Chad was sent to was an LGBT conversion camp.. she could find no confirmation of this but it got me thinking, could Chad be gay??? and that is why he was sent to the camp, may be why he is acting out and why his bed/room were taken away? (so he has no privacy, bed=where perversion could happen?) I know they are hardcore mormons so... thoughts? apologies if this has been brought up already!

I think it's possible and his ballroom dance phase made me wonder, especially abruptly it ended when he seemed so into it. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember them making him choose between it and football. If this turned out to be the case, it would make sense that they gave him a "choice" on camera but chose football for him off camera. It would also mesh with sending him away, the no privacy, deleting his social media and taking his phone permanently. As far as I know we haven't seen any direct evidence of it, but that doesn't mean much considering Ruby wouldn't include it in the videos anyway.

This might just be me, but I think that even if Chad was given a fair opportunity to choose between ballroom dance and football, and decided to ultimately do ballroom dance, that doesn't really say anything about him being gay. This is just my personal opinion, but I don't really see why there is so much seperation between what is deemed masculine and/or feminine hobbies and interests. If a boy likes doing makeup, that's great, it should not just be a 'feminine' thing and the boy could still like girls and be straight even if he does like makeup. If a female liked football, she wouldn't have to be lesbian to like football even if people see it as a more masculine hobby. You see what I mean? Of course if you are gay or lesbian there is absolutely nothing wrong with you, but the things that interest you/ things that you find genuinely interesting shouldn't deem your sexuality and who you are attracted to.

Exactly!

I don't know if it's being Mormon, but the I've noticed Bonnie doing similar stuff to Olivia, even when it comes to small stuff like a pair of swim goggles. Bonnie objected to Olivia wanting to buy a pair of swim goggles because basically they were a "boy color". She pretty much forced Olivia to buy the pink ones. And this was Olivia spending the money that she earned for doing stuff for Grandma Griff.

[Ohnonotme]

I personally think chad knew exactly what he was doing when he blew her shitty ways all over the now infamous vlog. He exposed her and all the abusive shit she puts them through. None of those kids want to be on the internet. You can see it in their eyes and body language. I really hope he isn’t being punished more than he has already has been. Those kids NEED a normal life. I also bet they aren’t going to the private school anymore because they’ve been reported for neglect...no lunch, dirty clothes etc. Teachers have to report that stuff. There is no way they could afford it when their channel tanks anyway. I really hope they put the camera away and have some normalcy...but with insane Ruby and sanctimonious Kevin...doubtful.

If he did, how stupid is she to leave it in the vlog? Only explanation is she’s so damn arrogant that it wouldn’t enter her head that her parenting style would be called into question, and Chad is smart enough to know it’s not “normal”, and it would cause the shitstorm that it has.


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[YTIG60]

No vlog today. I have a feeling they're going to keep doing this - tentatively posting a vlog here and there to test out if everything has blown over yet. I hope they keep doing that because they'll lose what fans they still somehow have if no one knows when/if they're going to post a video and they just randomly pop one out once a week or something. Also, if you look at the two videos they posted before their most recent one they have far more dislikes than likes, while their most recent one has 6k likes and 5k dislikes.
Bonnie would happen to not include any footage of Ruby and Kevin.

Between hiring a lawyer, the risk to Kevin's job, they have to look at is this channel worth it. The thing that is hard to let go is her dream of being a parenting author or a life coach that goes along with the channel. I didn't see her as an expert in either field so I've always questioned her ability to write a book or coach a parent. I also think Ruby has lost her viewers and I doubt she'll recover from this. I bet she is grateful she got out of the clothing business.
Bonnie has to be careful and I think it is intentional who she filmed and didn't film. Beau is the only Griffiths that hasn't shown their life on social media to a great extent.

[imoverit]

I watched a very old video recently where Ruby said she’d like to go back to school once Eve is in kindergarten to become a school teacher. Instead she seems to have gone the much easier route of life coach training and pretending it’s real school. But can you imagine that woman as an elementary school teacher?? That would be genuinely terrifying, good thing she’s too lazy to get an actual education!

[WheresMyCoffee]

I watched a very old video recently where Ruby said she’d like to go back to school once Eve is in kindergarten to become a school teacher. Instead she seems to have gone the much easier route of life coach training and pretending it’s real school. But can you imagine that woman as an elementary school teacher?? That would be genuinely terrifying, good thing she’s too lazy to get an actual education!

Can you imagine her as a life coach?

[Bollie_Dollie_4_Life]

I was looking at Beau's instragram and he had a picture of his son playing on the sand dune and in the background you can see Ruby setting up her camera on a tripod so I think she is vlogging again............time will tell if, when and what she posts.

I did see her in the background of Bonnie's vlog and she looked sad and pretty miserable (or maybe just tired) but she knew she was being filmed and did NOT put on a show for the camera and play it up like she normally does when she know's she being filmed.

[amyfalafalagain]

I personally think chad knew exactly what he was doing when he blew her shitty ways all over the now infamous vlog. He exposed her and all the abusive shit she puts them through. None of those kids want to be on the internet. You can see it in their eyes and body language. I really hope he isn’t being punished more than he has already has been. Those kids NEED a normal life. I also bet they aren’t going to the private school anymore because they’ve been reported for neglect...no lunch, dirty clothes etc. Teachers have to report that stuff. There is no way they could afford it when their channel tanks anyway. I really hope they put the camera away and have some normalcy...but with insane Ruby and sanctimonious Kevin...doubtful.

If he did, how stupid is she to leave it in the vlog? Only explanation is she’s so damn arrogant that it wouldn’t enter her head that her parenting style would be called into question, and Chad is smart enough to know it’s not “normal”, and it would cause the shitstorm that it has.


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Because she thinks her viewers are mums who look up to her. She thinks her book will sell the the mum demographic that watches her. Yet when defending her parenting she said those who were criticising were kids themselves.

Im thrilled Chad did that, I feel bad that he’s almost definitely copping it at home for it now.

[PumpkinHead]

I personally think chad knew exactly what he was doing when he blew her shitty ways all over the now infamous vlog. He exposed her and all the abusive shit she puts them through. None of those kids want to be on the internet. You can see it in their eyes and body language. I really hope he isn’t being punished more than he has already has been. Those kids NEED a normal life. I also bet they aren’t going to the private school anymore because they’ve been reported for neglect...no lunch, dirty clothes etc. Teachers have to report that stuff. There is no way they could afford it when their channel tanks anyway. I really hope they put the camera away and have some normalcy...but with insane Ruby and sanctimonious Kevin...doubtful.

If he did, how stupid is she to leave it in the vlog? Only explanation is she’s so damn arrogant that it wouldn’t enter her head that her parenting style would be called into question, and Chad is smart enough to know it’s not “normal”, and it would cause the shitstorm that it has.


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[PumpkinHead]

I personally think chad knew exactly what he was doing when he blew her shitty ways all over the now infamous vlog. He exposed her and all the abusive shit she puts them through. None of those kids want to be on the internet. You can see it in their eyes and body language. I really hope he isn’t being punished more than he has already has been. Those kids NEED a normal life. I also bet they aren’t going to the private school anymore because they’ve been reported for neglect...no lunch, dirty clothes etc. Teachers have to report that stuff. There is no way they could afford it when their channel tanks anyway. I really hope they put the camera away and have some normalcy...but with insane Ruby and sanctimonious Kevin...doubtful.

If he did, how stupid is she to leave it in the vlog? Only explanation is she’s so damn arrogant that it wouldn’t enter her head that her parenting style would be called into question, and Chad is smart enough to know it’s not “normal”, and it would cause the shitstorm that it has.


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That's probably exactly why she left it in. She thinks she's some kind of saint for other moms to look up to, probably thought people would praise her for raising her kids right or something. Even with all the backlash she probably still thinks she's right and it's just everyone else overreacting, because obviously Saint Ruby is a perfect mother and can do no wrong.

[ghostboy]

This video is probably one of the better videos out there on 8 Passengers. A lot of the other YouTube channels (I feel like) are ALL only covering the main 2 things they've heard about this family, which is Eve going without a lunch, and Chad sleeping on a beanbag for 7 months. While these 2 things are important, and the lady in this video mentioned them as well, she did a bit more research about other odd things Ruby has done to her children and she genuinely seemed concerned about these children's wellbeing over the YouTube views she would get for filming about 8 Passengers.

yes I am loving her videos, she is also a social worker so she has that knowledge as well. I wonder if we can send her topics to cover haha

yeah more praise for her here, she's brilliant. this is the best i've seen yet and i've watched a ton of them. someone put her in charge lol.

on a related note, idk if this has already been suggested but i feel like we have years worth of ruby's bullshit covered in depth on here - maybe we could make a thread listing the instances everyone can think of with timestamps etc so that newcomers/people making videos can get to it quickly?

some examples that spring to mind:
- russell not getting lunch like eve
- femur fracture
- eve's 9 cavities
- ruby deliberately pulling chad's tshirt off wrong (when he'd dislocated his shoulder) for the views
- him being so worked up about school that he thought he had to take an exam with a dislocated shoulder
- chad's sunburn after anasazi
- everyone berating julie for eating the sandwiches
- ruby throwing all chad's clothes away
- abby asleep on the bathroom floor throwing up
etc etc

i feel like everyone here could reel off a similar list in a couple of minutes - we'd have quite the resource lol

[imoverit]

This video is probably one of the better videos out there on 8 Passengers. A lot of the other YouTube channels (I feel like) are ALL only covering the main 2 things they've heard about this family, which is Eve going without a lunch, and Chad sleeping on a beanbag for 7 months. While these 2 things are important, and the lady in this video mentioned them as well, she did a bit more research about other odd things Ruby has done to her children and she genuinely seemed concerned about these children's wellbeing over the YouTube views she would get for filming about 8 Passengers.

yes I am loving her videos, she is also a social worker so she has that knowledge as well. I wonder if we can send her topics to cover haha

yeah more praise for her here, she's brilliant. this is the best i've seen yet and i've watched a ton of them. someone put her in charge lol.

on a related note, idk if this has already been suggested but i feel like we have years worth of ruby's bullshit covered in depth on here - maybe we could make a thread listing the instances everyone can think of with timestamps etc so that newcomers/people making videos can get to it quickly?

some examples that spring to mind:
- russell not getting lunch like eve
- femur fracture
- eve's 9 cavities
- ruby deliberately pulling chad's tshirt off wrong (when he'd dislocated his shoulder) for the views
- him being so worked up about school that he thought he had to take an exam with a dislocated shoulder
- chad's sunburn after anasazi
- everyone berating julie for eating the sandwiches
- ruby throwing all chad's clothes away
- abby asleep on the bathroom floor throwing up
etc etc

i feel like everyone here could reel off a similar list in a couple of minutes - we'd have quite the resource lol

I looked into just a couple of these. I haven't been able to find anything about Russell's femur anywhere, I think that's been wiped or is just hard to find as it wouldn't have been a video just about that.

Eve's 9 cavities: "Really BAD News" 9:55 - get to see the dentist's reaction and everything! Ruby seems more embarrassed than actually concerned. Blames it on her kids. Goes on to promote cook book. 6 months before, in "Dentists Don't Like SUGAR TEETH" the dentist tells Ruby Eve has 4 cavities emerging and tells Ruby to make sure to floss Eve's teeth. (It's also the video where Ruby tells Eve to put some shoes & a tiara back in a store and Eve dumps them on the ground which Ruby shows as they leave the store. Not neglect, just being a shit person.) And to come full circle, Ruby filmed Eve in the fragile state that mother herself caused in "Coming Out of Sedation" (dinner that night was leftover roast beef on a tiny amount of mac n cheese, which Ruby called 'a delicacy'.)

Chad's clothes: Shari's "CHAD'S HOME: Now What?" First of all, 2:02 "And you sleep on the couch, right... cus Russell kicked him out of his own room". 2:18 Shari: "You have like, 3 shirts" ... Chad: "k look when I went to Anasazi mom got mad and there were a ton of clothes on my floor so she donated all the clothes that were on the floor. So I came home to like 3 pairs of pants and like 5 shirts" and I think the important note here is Chad had to buy his own new clothes to replace them because she was only willing to buy him the private school uniform.
In "It's Not My Fault" Ruby says "Chad has gone to school and is realizing he's short on clothes". She says it's a good chance for him to learn responsibility, and Chad says "I still think you should pay for my clothes." Ruby says they met in the middle because she bought him ONE jacket. She says he needs to pay himself because she knows he has $200. Yet Shari got her uniforms and extra clothes all bought for her, and I'm certain she has more money. In "Chad's 1st Day of School, FINALLY" Chad says he doesn't have a backpack and Ruby says just carry your books, she thought having a backpack was uncool anyway. Ruby cackles about it at 9:20 as Chad tells her it's embarrassing, along with being dropped off in her Youtube van. All the other kids had Fjallraven Kanken bags bought for them this same year. And when she was talking about those bags over summer she said she'd get one for each of the kids. I guess she meant all but one.

[YTIG60]

I am amazed how many vlogs are out there now looking at Ruby, her children and family vlogging problems.

"8 Passengers" Allegations | What is the Personality Profile of Family Vloggers? - YouTube channel: Dr. Todd Grande
This vlog shows a licensed counselor talk about the problems with children on family vlogs. It includes all the things you seen expressed on YTMD boards for years. He looked at the personality of a parent vlogger too that is interesting.

Dr. Grande: I suppose the children could then start their own channels and just continue the cycle forever which is a pretty frightening thought either way recognizing that the children make the channel viable highlights the fact that this is a business Ruby and Kevin are running a business the children contribute to that in a crucial way if this were any other type of business that would not be tolerated.

8 Passengers: It's Time to QUIT - YouTube channel: SL04N

SLO4N: I just have to say to all those tik-tok accounts and Instagram accounts that are getting messages from Ruby and her lawyers or their family members or their friends everyone who's reaching out there's nothing they can do to you they have put this stuff online themselves and is free for everyone to use but I am waiting for Sherry's video like where is Sherry's video like I want to know what they think of this whole situation stop just uploading videos and acting like they never happened.

[tebbyvines]

I posted a video on Instagram last night and it was Ruby saying 'Don't take it if it's abusive'

My account disappeared shortly after that.

She is definitely scrambling to cover her own backside. It's really apparent.

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[nesland300]

and I think the important note here is Chad had to buy his own new clothes to replace them because she was only willing to buy him the private school uniform.

Bingo. Chad doesn't fall in line with exactly how Ruby wants him to live his life like Sherri does, so she acts all petty and vengeful against him and restricts every aspect of his life to try to force him back into line. Sounds like Mormon church tactics. "Hey 8 year olds, you get a choice you don't really understand about getting baptized! It's completely up to you, just don't make the wrong choice or your whole family will be disappointed." "Oh, you don't want to follow all the rules as an adult? That's fine, you just get to be a second-class church member with no temple privileges. Totally your choice though."

I would be very surprised if Chad is still in the church and has good relations with his family, especially Ruby, ten years from now. Looking back at some of these old videos and the most recent vlog, you can occasionally see some resent in his body language when Ruby talks to him.