8 Passengers: Emotional Abuse Galore & Making Kids Sleep on The Floor | Part 17

[tarheelgirl-71]

The conversation in the article about eve’s lunch is actually the conversation she had with Russell when he forgot his lunch. I don’t think eve called home about it. Didn’t the teacher email her?

I don’t necessarily thinks it’s abuse to the child for skipping a lunch for 1 day. I would just want to make sure my kindergarten child was fed for the sake of the teacher. Dealing with a hungry kid is no fun


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I remembered this video really well because it was so disturbing. Ruby was in the van talking about how whoever called from the school wasn’t comfortable with Eve going without lunch. I’m pretty sure it was Eve’s teacher. Can you imagine what that teacher must have been thinking?! I told my teacher friend about this. She teaches kindergarten and she was horrified! She says she would have provided lunch for Eve if she had been in the same situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ruby told the teacher not to help her with lunch. Because Ruby stated that she hoped no one shared their lunch with Eve. That goes beyond just punishment. It’s just plain cruel!


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[tarheelgirl-71]

I think Chad's sand art is pretty revealing as to how he feels about all the stuff that's being going down with his mom's YT channel.

I think chad is hinting that he doesn't like how ruby treats him without actually saying it. i think he wants to get away from ruby but doesn't know how to do it and is trying to signal that he needs help by leaving hints.

I hope when Chad turns 18 and graduates that he just decides not to go on his mission and does whatever the hell he wants! In my opinion that would be the ultimate pay back for having been excessively punished and controlled by Kevin and Ruby.

I know others have pointed the out, but I wanted to add my two cents about how Kevin is just absent as a parent. I’m not sure if he’s going through a mid-life crisis or what, but he’s just not there for the kids. He seems to spend a lot of time working on himself and his job. Not as much now with COVID-19. I bet he’s having a hard time right now having to be home with the kids and Ruby all of the time. He typically gone most of the summer.


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[imoverit]

About the Shari issue (sorry for the long post to come) - I have thought quite a bit about the question of when is it okay to snark about somebody on the internet. Some might think never, some may say when the subject is over 18 only, some think that even if over 18 they still may be in the same environment that made them the way they are at no fault of their own or they haven't had a chance to develop past what they learned from a negative childhood. I think it's a hard question to answer and that's why so many people have different opinions and boundaries on it.

Ruby grew up in a similar situation to Shari: as the oldest, raised in a mormon bubble, who was given a lot of unfair responsibility which caused resentment among her siblings due to the narcissism of her mother. At what point in Ruby's life did it become okay to judge her and hold her accountable to the negative behaviors she has carried into adulthood from that? At 18? Right after moving out, a few years after, when she got married, when she had kids? I think it's a question everyone has to answer for themselves, but on an internet forum there obviously has to be general boundaries to adhere to so that everyone is comfortable and sometimes those are hard to draw.

Shari is 17, nearly an adult, but she has never left the sheltered home she grew up in where she has suffered from having neglectful, narcissistic parents who have endowed her with some unpleasant qualities and behaviors. She and the other kids have had it tough in that household and each personality will be affected by that differently. For now, in my opinion Shari is a product of the way her environment has interacted with her innate personality. I believe that soon Shari will find herself starting to have to answer to her actions and beliefs as she becomes and adult and must take responsibility for those things (such as the hateful and ignorant ones her parents have been happy to let her post to Instagram already).

For now, while sometimes I definitely get frustrated seeing her actions and attitudes and I reflect on being that age not too long ago myself and (wrongly, probably) feel like I can judge her for them because of that, I certainly don't think we need to be saying things like she "needs to punished". If we don't like the punishments that Ruby erratically imposes on the other kids, why would we wish them on Shari as well? Should Ruby treat her kids more fairly and not hold one on a pedestal and arbitrarily give her privileges the others can only dream of? Yes. And I think Ruby should be encouraging more positive traits in her kids instead of fostering the power dynamics and resentment that exist among them. But I don't think she should be harshly punishing Shari, just like I don't think she should harshly punish the other kids, especially when it is Ruby who essentially made her into how she behaves. So I'm providing no answers here, just food for thought, this got a lot longer than I meant it to be!

[LuckyCharm]

So I was worried people would stop exposing them but this just popped up in my recommendations

I hope that works. Someone made a video about them just 2 hrs ago!

[Jamie Love]

sorry to be That Poster, but since i don't recognise a lot of the usernames on here lately, i'll beat the same dead horse i always do for everyone that missed it the first thousand times:

please stop condemning shari to a lifetime of being ruby and getting at her for showing signs of having grown up in an abusive environment. especially since she's still living in it. re the julie/bread thing: julie getting the brunt of the family's resentment has been discussed at length here and doesn't need to turn into a "lets rip shari to pieces" session.

do i condone shari's behaviour? of course not. but it's a lot more complicated than just "oMg ShArI sUcKz!!1" please give the girl a break.

most people on here are in agreement that these kids are having their privacy massively violated every single day, and that extends to this. idc if she has her own channel - shari isn't in a position to consent to having her behaviour analysed by thousands of strangers. she's still a kid - go easy on her publicly please.

i was an asshole at her age. i came from a shitty environment and had a lot to unlearn going into young adulthood. she has the right to do that privately. you can't complain about ruby abusing her kids rights and then subject shari to all this shit. she's sixteen - we have no reason to call her names here.

I don't see why we can't. Like previously stated no matter what situation you come from, parents you have etc. you know right from wrong, especially at 17. They put their lives (and therefore their views on the world) out there so its our right to criticize them. Younger people are held accountable for their actions everyday but because Shari is a YouTuber/Influencer she's automatically untouchable? Thats a BIG NO for me. This enabling behavior is exactly why people like Shane Dawson, Jeffree Star, Tana, Trisha etc. still have huge platforms even though they're DISGUSTING racist/pedophiles/sexual predator. Ya'll so quick to give these people a free pass and have the nerve to be surprised when something more reprehensible comes out about your faves. Am I comparing Shari Franke to a pedophile/racist/toxic/problematic person? NO, however, the younger we hold these "social media Influencers" for their behavior the more likely they're going to change it. There isn't any "going easy on her" because its the truth, the minute she goes out into the real world she's not going to know what to do with herself because she's so sheltered. These are the people that our youth are watching, ITS OKAY TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. There's literally youth that think RACISM/PEDOPHILLA /SEXUAL DEVIANCY is normal and do it on the regular for clout, which in turn makes those three things normalized in our society which it shouldn't be. Tbh, you're apart of the problem

[Parktown]

Anyone have any news on the fires in Utah?
Just shows how outdated they are! Not a comment from one of them!
Watching vlogs of trips with Ruby’s horse smile and Bonnie painting on her face constantly while the news is talking about homes in danger! So super annoying!

[Namm]

sorry to be That Poster, but since i don't recognise a lot of the usernames on here lately, i'll beat the same dead horse i always do for everyone that missed it the first thousand times:

please stop condemning shari to a lifetime of being ruby and getting at her for showing signs of having grown up in an abusive environment. especially since she's still living in it. re the julie/bread thing: julie getting the brunt of the family's resentment has been discussed at length here and doesn't need to turn into a "lets rip shari to pieces" session.

do i condone shari's behaviour? of course not. but it's a lot more complicated than just "oMg ShArI sUcKz!!1" please give the girl a break.

most people on here are in agreement that these kids are having their privacy massively violated every single day, and that extends to this. idc if she has her own channel - shari isn't in a position to consent to having her behaviour analysed by thousands of strangers. she's still a kid - go easy on her publicly please.

i was an asshole at her age. i came from a shitty environment and had a lot to unlearn going into young adulthood. she has the right to do that privately. you can't complain about ruby abusing her kids rights and then subject shari to all this shit. she's sixteen - we have no reason to call her names here.

I don't see why we can't. Like previously stated no matter what situation you come from, parents you have etc. you know right from wrong, especially at 17. They put their lives (and therefore their views on the world) out there so its our right to criticize them. Younger people are held accountable for their actions everyday but because Shari is a YouTuber/Influencer she's automatically untouchable? Thats a BIG NO for me. This enabling behavior is exactly why people like Shane Dawson, Jeffree Star, Tana, Trisha etc. still have huge platforms even though they're DISGUSTING racist/pedophiles/sexual predator. Ya'll so quick to give these people a free pass and have the nerve to be surprised when something more reprehensible comes out about your faves. Am I comparing Shari Franke to a pedophile/racist/toxic/problematic person? NO, however, the younger we hold these "social media Influencers" for their behavior the more likely they're going to change it. There isn't any "going easy on her" because its the truth, the minute she goes out into the real world she's not going to know what to do with herself because she's so sheltered. These are the people that our youth are watching, ITS OKAY TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. There's literally youth that think RACISM/PEDOPHILLA /SEXUAL DEVIANCY is normal and do it on the regular for clout, which in turn makes those three things normalized in our society which it shouldn't be. Tbh, you're apart of the problem

Exactly, we are aware of Shari being a product of her environment that's why I used to defend her when she was younger. She didn't know much better then and her parents are mostly to blame but she's old enough today to choose between being nice and mean.
Shari's even been called out on her channel from younger viewers on how she mistreats Julie and she admitted not being nice to Julie specifically.
I would want Shari to win but she just seems to gotten worse in some ways.

[ghostboy]

sorry to be That Poster, but since i don't recognise a lot of the usernames on here lately, i'll beat the same dead horse i always do for everyone that missed it the first thousand times:

please stop condemning shari to a lifetime of being ruby and getting at her for showing signs of having grown up in an abusive environment. especially since she's still living in it. re the julie/bread thing: julie getting the brunt of the family's resentment has been discussed at length here and doesn't need to turn into a "lets rip shari to pieces" session.

do i condone shari's behaviour? of course not. but it's a lot more complicated than just "oMg ShArI sUcKz!!1" please give the girl a break.

most people on here are in agreement that these kids are having their privacy massively violated every single day, and that extends to this. idc if she has her own channel - shari isn't in a position to consent to having her behaviour analysed by thousands of strangers. she's still a kid - go easy on her publicly please.

i was an asshole at her age. i came from a shitty environment and had a lot to unlearn going into young adulthood. she has the right to do that privately. you can't complain about ruby abusing her kids rights and then subject shari to all this shit. she's sixteen - we have no reason to call her names here.

I don't see why we can't. Like previously stated no matter what situation you come from, parents you have etc. you know right from wrong, especially at 17. They put their lives (and therefore their views on the world) out there so its our right to criticize them. Younger people are held accountable for their actions everyday but because Shari is a YouTuber/Influencer she's automatically untouchable? Thats a BIG NO for me. This enabling behavior is exactly why people like Shane Dawson, Jeffree Star, Tana, Trisha etc. still have huge platforms even though they're DISGUSTING racist/pedophiles/sexual predator. Ya'll so quick to give these people a free pass and have the nerve to be surprised when something more reprehensible comes out about your faves. Am I comparing Shari Franke to a pedophile/racist/toxic/problematic person? NO, however, the younger we hold these "social media Influencers" for their behavior the more likely they're going to change it. There isn't any "going easy on her" because its the truth, the minute she goes out into the real world she's not going to know what to do with herself because she's so sheltered. These are the people that our youth are watching, ITS OKAY TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. There's literally youth that think RACISM/PEDOPHILLA /SEXUAL DEVIANCY is normal and do it on the regular for clout, which in turn makes those three things normalized in our society which it shouldn't be. Tbh, you're apart of the problem

facepalm lmao
this has gotten blown up in a completely different direction to my actual point
idk whether it's my fault for not being clearer or whether people just get riled up easily lol

what i am NOT trying to say:
- we can't ever comment on a child or young person's behaviour, even if it's bad
- we can't say how that child or young person's behaviour is going to affect the people around them
- we can't acknowledge that their behaviour has negative consequences
- we can't say that a child or young person displays certain traits that are concerning
- a magic switch turns on when someone reaches 18 and suddenly they're an adult now and can be held accountable for their behaviour


what i AM trying to say:
- it's not cool to start getting super personal about a child or young person just bc they did something shitty
- since we're the grown ups here, we have a responsibility to these kids (who are already being exploited) to try and be as objective as possible when we acknowledge this stuff
- understand that adults literally tell kids who they are and are responsible for shaping their identity - we are no exception here - if the kids read here one day and they have their futures predicted for them like it's a fact, they're just gonna have the idea that they're "broken" reinforced, which is something abuse victims struggle with enough as it is

tl;dr

cool with me = "wow shari was really mean to julie about the bread, poor julie, i just want her to get away from all that toxicity asap. i really hope shari doesn't carry that over to her own parenting because then the cycle will continue."
not cool with me = "shari is rude and bossy and a know it all and a mini ruby and she's just gonna end up abusing her own children and drop out of BYU and have a million kids like ruby did. she needs to be punished!"

see the difference now?
if not then i really don't think there's much point in me saying a lot more

[ghostboy]

sorry to double post, but i cba to keep going back and forth here so i'll just clarify something else:

the majority of posters here are a delight and seem to understand the nuances i'm talking about perfectly (even better than me sometimes) and do all of this stuff automatically. this forum is generally full of insightful, well thought out, wry comments that aren't toxic. that's why i like it here. for most people on here - the stuff i'm saying probably isn't aimed at you lol.

[emma2948]

So I was worried people would stop exposing them but this just popped up in my recommendations

I hope that works. Someone made a video about them just 2 hrs ago!

It was a really good video. Much more informative of Ruby's actions than the tons of other YouTube videos that were released about them. It's a bit long but totally worth the watch IMO.

[imoverit]

sorry to double post, but i cba to keep going back and forth here so i'll just clarify something else:

the majority of posters here are a delight and seem to understand the nuances i'm talking about perfectly (even better than me sometimes) and do all of this stuff automatically. this forum is generally full of insightful, well thought out, wry comments that aren't toxic. that's why i like it here. for most people on here - the stuff i'm saying probably isn't aimed at you lol.

I appreciate what you've said on here, I don't think you're asking too much or trying to control how the conversation goes, just trying to re-center us and think about what we're saying because things can get out of hand. I have definitely been guilty of being too harsh towards Shari, because I get super frustrated and worked up about this family often and seeing evidence of the negative traits being passed down to the next generation is scary. But I liked your examples in the previous post and I personally will try to keep my posts in those lines and not go too far.

[rulatows000]

I literally gagged while watching their vlog today, when they mentioned how they hadn't been showering during their vacation. Chad could actually shape his hair with the amount of grease in it - looked like he was wearing hair gel. I thought maybe they didn't have access to a shower, but then she said they did and she just found an excuse not to take one. Seriously, they're rolling around in sand, sitting around smoky campfires, sweating in the sun all day, probably smearing themselves with sunscreen and bug spray, and they didn't shower! How could they stand the smell in that tight, closed in RV? I don't understand how hygiene just doesn't matter to them at all. Those kids had to have gotten rashes or been extremely uncomfortable, when Eve and Russell were literally burying themselves in sand and I'm sure Ruby didn't bother to make sure they showered or changed clothes the whole trip, when she can't even shower herself.

[Happy+Charlie]

I literally gagged while watching their vlog today, when they mentioned how they hadn't been showering during their vacation. Chad could actually shape his hair with the amount of grease in it - looked like he was wearing hair gel. I thought maybe they didn't have access to a shower, but then she said they did and she just found an excuse not to take one. Seriously, they're rolling around in sand, sitting around smoky campfires, sweating in the sun all day, probably smearing themselves with sunscreen and bug spray, and they didn't shower! How could they stand the smell in that tight, closed in RV? I don't understand how hygiene just doesn't matter to them at all. Those kids had to have gotten rashes or been extremely uncomfortable, when Eve and Russell were literally burying themselves in sand and I'm sure Ruby didn't bother to make sure they showered or changed clothes the whole trip, when she can't even shower herself.

Definitely nasty considering they were buried in the sand. There has to be mites or some kind of bugs in that sand. Also, when Olivia, Abby and Julie got into the bed with their street clothes on. I couldn't go that long without showering to some extent. They probably didn't rush to get one once they got home either. Just all levels of gross.

[Josette]

I literally gagged while watching their vlog today, when they mentioned how they hadn't been showering during their vacation. Chad could actually shape his hair with the amount of grease in it - looked like he was wearing hair gel. I thought maybe they didn't have access to a shower, but then she said they did and she just found an excuse not to take one. Seriously, they're rolling around in sand, sitting around smoky campfires, sweating in the sun all day, probably smearing themselves with sunscreen and bug spray, and they didn't shower! How could they stand the smell in that tight, closed in RV? I don't understand how hygiene just doesn't matter to them at all. Those kids had to have gotten rashes or been extremely uncomfortable, when Eve and Russell were literally burying themselves in sand and I'm sure Ruby didn't bother to make sure they showered or changed clothes the whole trip, when she can't even shower herself.

This is especialy gross considering the need for heightened personal hygiene during this worldwide pandemic.

[emma2948]

I literally gagged while watching their vlog today, when they mentioned how they hadn't been showering during their vacation. Chad could actually shape his hair with the amount of grease in it - looked like he was wearing hair gel. I thought maybe they didn't have access to a shower, but then she said they did and she just found an excuse not to take one. Seriously, they're rolling around in sand, sitting around smoky campfires, sweating in the sun all day, probably smearing themselves with sunscreen and bug spray, and they didn't shower! How could they stand the smell in that tight, closed in RV? I don't understand how hygiene just doesn't matter to them at all. Those kids had to have gotten rashes or been extremely uncomfortable, when Eve and Russell were literally burying themselves in sand and I'm sure Ruby didn't bother to make sure they showered or changed clothes the whole trip, when she can't even shower herself.

Also why don't the girls ever tie up their hair whenever they bake/cook something?? Oh wait, another hygienic tip that has NOT been taught by the useless Griffith mothers.

[emma2948]

I literally gagged while watching their vlog today, when they mentioned how they hadn't been showering during their vacation. Chad could actually shape his hair with the amount of grease in it - looked like he was wearing hair gel. I thought maybe they didn't have access to a shower, but then she said they did and she just found an excuse not to take one. Seriously, they're rolling around in sand, sitting around smoky campfires, sweating in the sun all day, probably smearing themselves with sunscreen and bug spray, and they didn't shower! How could they stand the smell in that tight, closed in RV? I don't understand how hygiene just doesn't matter to them at all. Those kids had to have gotten rashes or been extremely uncomfortable, when Eve and Russell were literally burying themselves in sand and I'm sure Ruby didn't bother to make sure they showered or changed clothes the whole trip, when she can't even shower herself.

Also why don't the girls ever tie up their hair whenever they bake/cook something?? Oh wait, another hygienic tip that has NOT been taught by the useless Griffith mothers.

[Josette]

Did anyone besides me think Shari was acting kind of pouty during the whole "Kevin cake" part of the vlog? She really seemed annoyed that she wasn't the center of attention.

[Josette]

I literally gagged while watching their vlog today, when they mentioned how they hadn't been showering during their vacation. Chad could actually shape his hair with the amount of grease in it - looked like he was wearing hair gel. I thought maybe they didn't have access to a shower, but then she said they did and she just found an excuse not to take one. Seriously, they're rolling around in sand, sitting around smoky campfires, sweating in the sun all day, probably smearing themselves with sunscreen and bug spray, and they didn't shower! How could they stand the smell in that tight, closed in RV? I don't understand how hygiene just doesn't matter to them at all. Those kids had to have gotten rashes or been extremely uncomfortable, when Eve and Russell were literally burying themselves in sand and I'm sure Ruby didn't bother to make sure they showered or changed clothes the whole trip, when she can't even shower herself.

Also why don't the girls ever tie up their hair whenever they bake/cook something?? Oh wait, another hygienic tip that has NOT been taught by the useless Griffith mothers.

I'm not excusing them, but to be fair neither my sister nor I were taught to tie up our hair when cooking/baking and I'm 67, so maybe it's just like my family growing up as something that wasn't taught.

Sister and I were taught a lot of things when we started cooking & baking. Wash your hands before you start, have all the necessary equipment and ingredients out beforehand, clean up after yourselves, wash your hands after handling things like raw meat or poultry, etc.

[missbelle]

I literally gagged while watching their vlog today, when they mentioned how they hadn't been showering during their vacation. Chad could actually shape his hair with the amount of grease in it - looked like he was wearing hair gel. I thought maybe they didn't have access to a shower, but then she said they did and she just found an excuse not to take one. Seriously, they're rolling around in sand, sitting around smoky campfires, sweating in the sun all day, probably smearing themselves with sunscreen and bug spray, and they didn't shower! How could they stand the smell in that tight, closed in RV? I don't understand how hygiene just doesn't matter to them at all. Those kids had to have gotten rashes or been extremely uncomfortable, when Eve and Russell were literally burying themselves in sand and I'm sure Ruby didn't bother to make sure they showered or changed clothes the whole trip, when she can't even shower herself.

Also why don't the girls ever tie up their hair whenever they bake/cook something?? Oh wait, another hygienic tip that has NOT been taught by the useless Griffith mothers.

theres a video of Ruby making waffles and the kids pulling out STRANDS of hair from their cooked waffles because she refused to put her hair up

[emma2948]

I literally gagged while watching their vlog today, when they mentioned how they hadn't been showering during their vacation. Chad could actually shape his hair with the amount of grease in it - looked like he was wearing hair gel. I thought maybe they didn't have access to a shower, but then she said they did and she just found an excuse not to take one. Seriously, they're rolling around in sand, sitting around smoky campfires, sweating in the sun all day, probably smearing themselves with sunscreen and bug spray, and they didn't shower! How could they stand the smell in that tight, closed in RV? I don't understand how hygiene just doesn't matter to them at all. Those kids had to have gotten rashes or been extremely uncomfortable, when Eve and Russell were literally burying themselves in sand and I'm sure Ruby didn't bother to make sure they showered or changed clothes the whole trip, when she can't even shower herself.

Also why don't the girls ever tie up their hair whenever they bake/cook something?? Oh wait, another hygienic tip that has NOT been taught by the useless Griffith mothers.

theres a video of Ruby making waffles and the kids pulling out STRANDS of hair from their cooked waffles because she refused to put her hair up

Ew. I don't remember that vlog though, which one was it? Or did Ruby dooby delete it?