Phil and Alex: Struggling With Maternity After Laboring For Eternity | Part 10

[ifeellikebeingabitch]

So she took her in for a laser treatment for lip, tongue, AND cheek ties??

Honestly this nut job just seems to be looking for things wrong with her daughter... I find it hard to believe that she would have 3 types of ties that were making it so hard for her to feed and the lactation consultant wouldn’t have caught it...

Also she was SO SURE it was reflux making her not eat. Alex just loves diagnoses for her baby

Right?! Obviously if there's a medical issue then it can't be Alex's unicorn milk that was the problem. It just CAN'T be Alex's fault. I bet you before having Cassidy when she was still as crunchy as could be she thought that lip ties were an overdiagnosed way for pediatric dentists to make money.

[mamale]

Aaaaaaand cue the

“look how DOCTORS failed us”

“medical professionals can’t be trusted”

“cANt beLiEVe NOoNe cHEcKeD HEr”

drama...


The ‘Alex knows better than anyone’ delusion lives on.


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[girlmom1821]

Not only is she self diagnosing the baby, she’s also self diagnosing herself and Phil. What a joke


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[HashtagBlessed]

Good grief, Alex should really wait to "educate others" until she knows for certain if the procedures from the dentist has any affect on her feeding and weight gain.

The frenulum frenzy in recent years is probably a result of the emphasis on breastfeeding above all else. It's a controversial diagnosis. It's actually more widely "diagnosed" by lactation consultants, not pediatricians, who then push parents to seek out a frenotomy from pediatric dentists. So I think running with this diagnosis is right up Alex's alley. I'm not sure I follow the line of thinking that assumes a dentist is an expert on breastfeeding, but Alex is going to grab on to any diagnosis at this point.

Most pediatricians don't believe tongue-tie is frequently associated with feeding problems or speech difficulties. Some babies do need it corrected, but it requires further evaluation beyond a consult with a dentist. One of her top comments on that Instagram post is from a lactation consultant claiming that she specifically tells her clients NOT to see a pediatrician about it and blamed folic acid for the the rise in diagnosis. (To date, there is no published research demonstrating a link between folic acid in prenatals and tongue-tie. In fact, a 2018 study of folic acid and oral findings in newborns found no link.) Alex, and her community of “I wish more doctors were EDUCATED” don't care about peer reviewed research, as long as they feel it in their gut.

This is a snippet from a NY Times article from 2019 titled, Is Tongue-Tie Surgery Necessary for Breastfeeding Success?:

"The study, which was published on Thursday in JAMA Otolaryngology — Head & Neck Surgery, examined 115 infants who had been referred to Massachusetts Eye and Ear in Boston for tongue or lip-tie procedures after having difficulty breastfeeding. The babies, who were between 19 and 56 days old, had been diagnosed with tongue-tie by pediatricians or lactation consultants.

Before receiving a surgical consultation, the babies were evaluated by speech and language pathologists who assessed the infants’ feeding history, oral musculature and range of motion of the tongue, among other factors. They also observed the infants during a feeding to identify potential anatomical problems. The researchers found that nearly 63 percent of the infants did not need the surgery after all, and that their feeding issues stemmed from other problems like low milk supply, reflux or shallow latching. The mothers were then counseled on strategies to help improve each of these issues."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/pare ... rgery.html

And that list of symptoms Alex shared...so both engorgement and low milk supply are symptoms of having a baby with a tongue tie? Kind of sounds like BS.

[Amsouthernbell]

I can’t believe she is doing this to her baby.

I love breastfeeding mine but damn I would give it up in a heartbeat of it meant my baby would have easier feeds and can be a happy baby.

Alex cares so much about “trauma” but doesn’t care about the trauma of her child whatsoever. Keep the baby home and cuddle or not drag it to stupid procedures

[Dani_465]

I can’t believe she is doing this to her baby.

I love breastfeeding mine but damn I would give it up in a heartbeat of it meant my baby would have easier feeds and can be a happy baby.

Alex cares so much about “trauma” but doesn’t care about the trauma of her child whatsoever. Keep the baby home and cuddle or not drag it to stupid procedures

Ties *could* impair speech down the road... I would be more mad if she didn’t get this taken care of.

[FlowersTar 68]

Shame she's never been this vocal and displeased when it comes to poor Callie's hips.

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[Amsouthernbell]

I can’t believe she is doing this to her baby.

I love breastfeeding mine but damn I would give it up in a heartbeat of it meant my baby would have easier feeds and can be a happy baby.

Alex cares so much about “trauma” but doesn’t care about the trauma of her child whatsoever. Keep the baby home and cuddle or not drag it to stupid procedures

Ties *could* impair speech down the road... I would be more mad if she didn’t get this taken care of.

Yeah but you can get them fixed “down the road”

[JeasicaA71184]

I can’t believe she is doing this to her baby.

I love breastfeeding mine but damn I would give it up in a heartbeat of it meant my baby would have easier feeds and can be a happy baby.

Alex cares so much about “trauma” but doesn’t care about the trauma of her child whatsoever. Keep the baby home and cuddle or not drag it to stupid procedures

Ties *could* impair speech down the road... I would be more mad if she didn’t get this taken care of.

It “could” and according to the speech therapist we consulted - only 25 percent of ties actually affect speech. Which is why we chose to not lug our 4 week old out. The 2 specialist we spoke to (ENT and pediatric dentist) told us that the vast majority of ties that are corrected in babies need to be redone. Even if you follow all the directions to “exercise” the area (as instructed) sometimes they reattach.

My opinion and even the opinions on a speech therapist, pediatric dentist and ENt - you are correcting something on what “could” happen and only has a 25 percent chance of happening plus a 65 percent chance of reattaching.

Just like most things you have to weigh as a parent - personally I am not an advocate of correcting ties in babies after learning what I have learned. But like anything as a parent - you need to weigh the risks out. We chose to get opinions from differnt specialists before doing that.

[HashtagBlessed]

Her baby is still struggling to gain weight *with* a feeding tube, and Alex thinks it's a lip/tongue/cheek tie issue. That seems to defy logic.

[GGF1987]

I don't have an issue with getting the ties clipped. I know who waited to have their child's ties clipped until they were 3 and not only was it a much bigger deal that required anesthesia but she needed years of speech to correct speech problems from having the ties so long. So if they are going to do it, now is the best time.

But I know she's going to think this is going to fix all her problems and it's going to make her push breastfeeding even harder. She's just so selfish! Her breastfeeding experience means more to her than her baby.

[RiverRose]

I don't have an issue with getting the ties clipped. I know who waited to have their child's ties clipped until they were 3 and not only was it a much bigger deal that required anesthesia but she needed years of speech to correct speech problems from having the ties so long. So if they are going to do it, now is the best time.

But I know she's going to think this is going to fix all her problems and it's going to make her push breastfeeding even harder. She's just so selfish! Her breastfeeding experience means more to her than her baby.

It can cause all kinds of weird things you wouldn’t even think of. My doctor said she has back pain from hers because of muscles overcompensating.

But yes, we had my daughters corrected and it did not help with her feeding issues unfortunately.

[JeasicaA71184]

I don't have an issue with getting the ties clipped. I know who waited to have their child's ties clipped until they were 3 and not only was it a much bigger deal that required anesthesia but she needed years of speech to correct speech problems from having the ties so long. So if they are going to do it, now is the best time.

But I know she's going to think this is going to fix all her problems and it's going to make her push breastfeeding even harder. She's just so selfish! Her breastfeeding experience means more to her than her baby.

It can cause all kinds of weird things you wouldn’t even think of. My doctor said she has back pain from hers because of muscles overcompensating.

But yes, we had my daughters corrected and it did not help with her feeding issues unfortunately.

Yup exactly. It’s essentially an invasive procedure with “hopes” and not guarantees.

[ChickyChickyParmParm]

"I wish doctors were more educated."
Says Alex, who didn't listen when:
- doctors told her to genetically test her embryos
- doctors told her to curb the pregnancy weight gain
- doctors told her she failed her glucose test
- doctors told her she wasn't in labor
- doctors told her to supplement with formula
- doctors told her to feed her baby every 3 hours
- doctors told her that breastfeeding caused Cassidy to burn too many calories

[Itsashame2020]

Alex must be a peach to deal with at doctor’s appointments. Can you imagine it now that she thinks they need to be “educated”??? Oh no.


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[FlowersTar 68]

Her baby is still struggling to gain weight *with* a feeding tube, and Alex thinks it's a lip/tongue/cheek tie issue. That seems to defy logic.

I hadn't thought of that. Will be interesting to see what happens now if she doesn't gain at a good pace.

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[Oma66]

She made sure she got that angle and the breast pump was safe! Sorry little Cass![IMG]//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202008 ... 25d102.jpg[/IMG]


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[GetYouTubesTied]

Aaaaamen!

[nicolefrost]

Good grief, Alex should really wait to "educate others" until she knows for certain if the procedures from the dentist has any affect on her feeding and weight gain.

The frenulum frenzy in recent years is probably a result of the emphasis on breastfeeding above all else. It's a controversial diagnosis. It's actually more widely "diagnosed" by lactation consultants, not pediatricians, who then push parents to seek out a frenotomy from pediatric dentists. So I think running with this diagnosis is right up Alex's alley. I'm not sure I follow the line of thinking that assumes a dentist is an expert on breastfeeding, but Alex is going to grab on to any diagnosis at this point.

Most pediatricians don't believe tongue-tie is frequently associated with feeding problems or speech difficulties. Some babies do need it corrected, but it requires further evaluation beyond a consult with a dentist. One of her top comments on that Instagram post is from a lactation consultant claiming that she specifically tells her clients NOT to see a pediatrician about it and blamed folic acid for the the rise in diagnosis. (To date, there is no published research demonstrating a link between folic acid in prenatals and tongue-tie. In fact, a 2018 study of folic acid and oral findings in newborns found no link.) Alex, and her community of “I wish more doctors were EDUCATED” don't care about peer reviewed research, as long as they feel it in their gut.

This is a snippet from a NY Times article from 2019 titled, Is Tongue-Tie Surgery Necessary for Breastfeeding Success?:

"The study, which was published on Thursday in JAMA Otolaryngology — Head & Neck Surgery, examined 115 infants who had been referred to Massachusetts Eye and Ear in Boston for tongue or lip-tie procedures after having difficulty breastfeeding. The babies, who were between 19 and 56 days old, had been diagnosed with tongue-tie by pediatricians or lactation consultants.

Before receiving a surgical consultation, the babies were evaluated by speech and language pathologists who assessed the infants’ feeding history, oral musculature and range of motion of the tongue, among other factors. They also observed the infants during a feeding to identify potential anatomical problems. The researchers found that nearly 63 percent of the infants did not need the surgery after all, and that their feeding issues stemmed from other problems like low milk supply, reflux or shallow latching. The mothers were then counseled on strategies to help improve each of these issues."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/pare ... rgery.html

And that list of symptoms Alex shared...so both engorgement and low milk supply are symptoms of having a baby with a tongue tie? Kind of sounds like BS.

Actually they can be symptoms. Your baby is not able to pull the right amount of milk which leads to low milk supply and engorgment because the breasts aren’t being emptied. My son has a slight lip and tongue tie all my lactation consultants pushed for it to get clipped because he had trouble latching on one side. Well I went and they couldn’t because he has a clotting disorder like his brothers so we just found ways to make it work for us. 11 months and still EBF. I agree that they are over diagnosed for sure


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[JeasicaA71184]

Good grief, Alex should really wait to "educate others" until she knows for certain if the procedures from the dentist has any affect on her feeding and weight gain.

The frenulum frenzy in recent years is probably a result of the emphasis on breastfeeding above all else. It's a controversial diagnosis. It's actually more widely "diagnosed" by lactation consultants, not pediatricians, who then push parents to seek out a frenotomy from pediatric dentists. So I think running with this diagnosis is right up Alex's alley. I'm not sure I follow the line of thinking that assumes a dentist is an expert on breastfeeding, but Alex is going to grab on to any diagnosis at this point.

Most pediatricians don't believe tongue-tie is frequently associated with feeding problems or speech difficulties. Some babies do need it corrected, but it requires further evaluation beyond a consult with a dentist. One of her top comments on that Instagram post is from a lactation consultant claiming that she specifically tells her clients NOT to see a pediatrician about it and blamed folic acid for the the rise in diagnosis. (To date, there is no published research demonstrating a link between folic acid in prenatals and tongue-tie. In fact, a 2018 study of folic acid and oral findings in newborns found no link.) Alex, and her community of “I wish more doctors were EDUCATED” don't care about peer reviewed research, as long as they feel it in their gut.

This is a snippet from a NY Times article from 2019 titled, Is Tongue-Tie Surgery Necessary for Breastfeeding Success?:

"The study, which was published on Thursday in JAMA Otolaryngology — Head & Neck Surgery, examined 115 infants who had been referred to Massachusetts Eye and Ear in Boston for tongue or lip-tie procedures after having difficulty breastfeeding. The babies, who were between 19 and 56 days old, had been diagnosed with tongue-tie by pediatricians or lactation consultants.

Before receiving a surgical consultation, the babies were evaluated by speech and language pathologists who assessed the infants’ feeding history, oral musculature and range of motion of the tongue, among other factors. They also observed the infants during a feeding to identify potential anatomical problems. The researchers found that nearly 63 percent of the infants did not need the surgery after all, and that their feeding issues stemmed from other problems like low milk supply, reflux or shallow latching. The mothers were then counseled on strategies to help improve each of these issues."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/pare ... rgery.html

And that list of symptoms Alex shared...so both engorgement and low milk supply are symptoms of having a baby with a tongue tie? Kind of sounds like BS.

Actually they can be symptoms. Your baby is not able to pull the right amount of milk which leads to low milk supply and engorgment because the breasts aren’t being emptied. My son has a slight lip and tongue tie all my lactation consultants pushed for it to get clipped because he had trouble latching on one side. Well I went and they couldn’t because he has a clotting disorder like his brothers so we just found ways to make it work for us. 11 months and still EBF. I agree that they are over diagnosed for sure


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But the point is that just because you correct a tie doesn’t mean problems magically go away. Many babies get corrected and still have severe feeding issues. It’s a gamble.