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Randomrandomer wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:43 am Also, on the phone to the doctor surgery, Ruby says her daughters are 11 and 14, but Abby is actually 13! How does Ruby not known the ages of her own kids? Abby only turned 13 in the start of lockdown.
Oh, you're right! I didn't even catch that, but yeah she just recently turned 13. Lol, you'd think Ruby would have edited that part out if she caught the error, but I'm guessing she didn't catch it even after re-watching it. That's pretty sad. I remember when Chad was at Anasazi, Kevin made some Instagram post or something about Chad being at an age where he needs to mature and be a man. Someone commented that 14 is way to young to expect a kid to be a full fledged adult and Kevin responded arguing that Chad was older by a year or two. Can't remember if he said Chad was 15 or 16, but he literally argued with the person about his son's age. And of course he was wrong, Chad WAS 14. I know that slipping up on a kid's age is a harmless mistake that a lot of parents probably make... but if you're making a doctors appointment, posting their ages on social media, or arguing with a fan about how old your kid is, well, you should probably know how old they actually are. Shouldn't be that difficult to recall.
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imoverit wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:26 am Uhhh Ruby said that Abby and Julie want to continue homeschooling through high school. How can they know that when they haven't even started the first year? Now if they change their minds they'll be punished. Also they are clearly not showing Chad's room getting fixed because it's still a disaster ages later and god knows where the poor kid is sleeping.
I'm really concerned about him and wonder if Ruby is punishing him for the window well flood which ruined both his bedroom carpet & mattress. The latter would have been fine if it had been on a bed frame, which was in no way his fault. Ruby probably thinks Chad should consider himself lucky he was given a mattress in the first place & doesn't deserve the "luxury" of a bed frame. At this point I seriously doubt they've replaced his mattress and the poor guy is probably back to sleeping on the bean bag again.
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boychik0830 wrote:What does everyone think of the new vlog posted today?

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I do have to say that I appreciate that she vaccinates her kids and isn’t anti-vax. Also, maybe Abby’s skin will start clearing up if she does start accutane and Ruby will stop exploiting it.


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Josette wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:03 am
imoverit wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:26 am Uhhh Ruby said that Abby and Julie want to continue homeschooling through high school. How can they know that when they haven't even started the first year? Now if they change their minds they'll be punished. Also they are clearly not showing Chad's room getting fixed because it's still a disaster ages later and god knows where the poor kid is sleeping.
I'm really concerned about him and wonder if Ruby is punishing him for the window well flood which ruined both his bedroom carpet & mattress. The latter would have been fine if it had been on a bed frame, which was in no way his fault. Ruby probably thinks Chad should consider himself lucky he was given a mattress in the first place & doesn't deserve the "luxury" of a bed frame. At this point I seriously doubt they've replaced his mattress and the poor guy is probably back to sleeping on the bean bag again.
Honestly, the description of how the flood even happened was suspect. The sprinkler system was damaged, but somehow the only part of the yard that flooded was Chad's window well? Why was his window well being watered in the first place, and how would a window well sprinkler head get damaged in yard construction?

I missed Ruby's stories talking about the curriculum, but everything else we have seen is ridiculous and troubling. Neither parent knowing the ages of their kids (or their grades - 7th grade is high school?), giving up day one and registering for private school after all. Is it the Mormon school? Shari mentioned her teachers had to broadcast live, so some of the students must have not come back to physical school. Shari still doesn't have a bed frame and was really embarrassed about it in her school vlog...punishment for not staying home? At least she can finally feel what it is like to see your siblings get things you don't.
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Happy+Charlie wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:07 am
rulatows000 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:39 am Ruby bought a mini fridge for Abby and Julie's room? Wtf? What kind of person buys a mini fridge for two of her kids BEFORE getting ALL of the kids actual beds to sleep in? Also, no wonder Chad's bedroom is taking ages to get done, because Ruby selfishly decided to get all the carpeting done for the entire house instead of just focusing on her son's room which is badly damaged. I'm all for Ruby giving her kids special treats now and then, but a mini fridge is just ridiculous when there are so many other necessities the kids are missing. An 11 and 14 year old don't need a mini fridge in their study room. That's also a pretty big fridge for the one soda and half a piece of lettuce that minimalist Ruby will allow Abby and Julie to keep in it.

Their 'homeschooling' is such a mess. Abby said she wanted to do homeschool, but now she wants to do online school with the private school? What's that all about? And have they even officially started homeschool or are the kids just taking classes for fun? I don't even know what classes those kids are taking. To me it seems like such a hodgepodge of all these random subjects - art, theatre, calligraphy, five different languages, ancient Greece. There's no structure or logic at all to what these kids are learning. It seems like it's a free for all with Ruby signing her kids up with 20 different programs that will teach her kids for her and letting them pick whatever they want to learn from them. In a few weeks the kids are going to get overwhelmed with the 10 random subjects from 10 different places that they're taking and will probably want to give up on all of them.

Those carpets looked disgusting. Is Dwight literally not potty trained at all? I know I'm not the only one on here who has caught glimpses of his poop lying all over the floor in their house and now the carpet is covered in pee stains. I know all dogs have accidents, but there's 8 people in that house who can let him outside. I have a smaller dog like that who is well potty trained, but we also have a few absorbent pads placed all over the house for when we're gone or to give him an option if he can't get outside fast enough. Of course, with Ruby's complete lack of regard for hygiene, I'm guessing she just lets him poop and pee all over the house and lets it sit there for days instead of cleaning it.
Haven't watched yet, but that is disgusting about dog poop and pee. Their house must smell wonderful, like they do! Although the birds go all over the house dropping poop everywhere so why limit Dwight. They are so lazy, it's unbelievable. How difficult is it to work with a dog, even crate training if they need to, instead, we'll just let him figure it out, while we put no effort forth. No different than anything else Ruby does.
It's just like Bonnie was with Lady, leave it up to the kids to take the dog out and trust that they are making sure the dog pees. Clearly, the kids cannot be responsible enough to help out (though Ruby wants them to be fully responsible for their self and those around them at age 6) so, that's when the adult should realize they cannot be trusted and the adult takes responsibility to house train. They annoy me so much. She's just too lazy to parent or be a dog mom.
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Kattiness Everdeen wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:00 pm
Josette wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:03 am
imoverit wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:26 am Uhhh Ruby said that Abby and Julie want to continue homeschooling through high school. How can they know that when they haven't even started the first year? Now if they change their minds they'll be punished. Also they are clearly not showing Chad's room getting fixed because it's still a disaster ages later and god knows where the poor kid is sleeping.
I'm really concerned about him and wonder if Ruby is punishing him for the window well flood which ruined both his bedroom carpet & mattress. The latter would have been fine if it had been on a bed frame, which was in no way his fault. Ruby probably thinks Chad should consider himself lucky he was given a mattress in the first place & doesn't deserve the "luxury" of a bed frame. At this point I seriously doubt they've replaced his mattress and the poor guy is probably back to sleeping on the bean bag again.
Honestly, the description of how the flood even happened was suspect. The sprinkler system was damaged, but somehow the only part of the yard that flooded was Chad's window well? Why was his window well being watered in the first place, and how would a window well sprinkler head get damaged in yard construction?

I missed Ruby's stories talking about the curriculum, but everything else we have seen is ridiculous and troubling. Neither parent knowing the ages of their kids (or their grades - 7th grade is high school?), giving up day one and registering for private school after all. Is it the Mormon school? Shari mentioned her teachers had to broadcast live, so some of the students must have not come back to physical school. Shari still doesn't have a bed frame and was really embarrassed about it in her school vlog...punishment for not staying home? At least she can finally feel what it is like to see your siblings get things you don't.
Not punishment, Ruby just hasn't gotten a sponsor to furnish all the kids' rooms yet. Notice when she had to buy desks, it was 2nd hand (which there is absolutely nothing wrong with used, it's the best way to go), but it seems funny, all desks were used, when Ruby typically goes for expensive brands, I guess that's only when it's free.
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Ruby’s little story of Kevin helping Chad with algebra the other day was so just to prove to us that he is actually involved lol


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Happy+Charlie wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:47 pm
Kattiness Everdeen wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:00 pm
Josette wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:03 am

I'm really concerned about him and wonder if Ruby is punishing him for the window well flood which ruined both his bedroom carpet & mattress. The latter would have been fine if it had been on a bed frame, which was in no way his fault. Ruby probably thinks Chad should consider himself lucky he was given a mattress in the first place & doesn't deserve the "luxury" of a bed frame. At this point I seriously doubt they've replaced his mattress and the poor guy is probably back to sleeping on the bean bag again.
Honestly, the description of how the flood even happened was suspect. The sprinkler system was damaged, but somehow the only part of the yard that flooded was Chad's window well? Why was his window well being watered in the first place, and how would a window well sprinkler head get damaged in yard construction?

I missed Ruby's stories talking about the curriculum, but everything else we have seen is ridiculous and troubling. Neither parent knowing the ages of their kids (or their grades - 7th grade is high school?), giving up day one and registering for private school after all. Is it the Mormon school? Shari mentioned her teachers had to broadcast live, so some of the students must have not come back to physical school. Shari still doesn't have a bed frame and was really embarrassed about it in her school vlog...punishment for not staying home? At least she can finally feel what it is like to see your siblings get things you don't.
Not punishment, Ruby just hasn't gotten a sponsor to furnish all the kids' rooms yet. Notice when she had to buy desks, it was 2nd hand (which there is absolutely nothing wrong with used, it's the best way to go), but it seems funny, all desks were used, when Ruby typically goes for expensive brands, I guess that's only when it's free.
Russell definitely got a bed and room furnishings because Ruby needed a place to film the sponsored video for diapers, but I suspect that Abby and Julie are getting their room makeovers as a bribe (and also a vlog set). I think Ruby would have redone the rooms even without a mattress sponsor, because she needed a way to keep the girls home, and a place to film them that wasn't a sad empty room with a mattress on the floor. The only thing that was free, was the one item the kids already had. The frivolous fun things like the fridge didn't look sponsored (nor the candy bars), unless that sponsorship video is next. They thanked Ruby, not Kenmore and Mars.

Didn't Eve just get a second hand bed frame? Funny, because Ruby said she didn't move the old beds because she wanted them all to match. I don't see why Shari couldn't get one too, unless she thinks she is too good for that. Also, Ruby could have spent the sponsorship money on Shari and Chad rather than Julie and Abby if she wanted to. Nobody needed a new mattress. It is all just too illogical and out of character not to be some sort of master manipulation scheme.
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Kattiness Everdeen wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:17 am
Happy+Charlie wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:47 pm
Kattiness Everdeen wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:00 pm

Honestly, the description of how the flood even happened was suspect. The sprinkler system was damaged, but somehow the only part of the yard that flooded was Chad's window well? Why was his window well being watered in the first place, and how would a window well sprinkler head get damaged in yard construction?

I missed Ruby's stories talking about the curriculum, but everything else we have seen is ridiculous and troubling. Neither parent knowing the ages of their kids (or their grades - 7th grade is high school?), giving up day one and registering for private school after all. Is it the Mormon school? Shari mentioned her teachers had to broadcast live, so some of the students must have not come back to physical school. Shari still doesn't have a bed frame and was really embarrassed about it in her school vlog...punishment for not staying home? At least she can finally feel what it is like to see your siblings get things you don't.
Not punishment, Ruby just hasn't gotten a sponsor to furnish all the kids' rooms yet. Notice when she had to buy desks, it was 2nd hand (which there is absolutely nothing wrong with used, it's the best way to go), but it seems funny, all desks were used, when Ruby typically goes for expensive brands, I guess that's only when it's free.
Russell definitely got a bed and room furnishings because Ruby needed a place to film the sponsored video for diapers, but I suspect that Abby and Julie are getting their room makeovers as a bribe (and also a vlog set). I think Ruby would have redone the rooms even without a mattress sponsor, because she needed a way to keep the girls home, and a place to film them that wasn't a sad empty room with a mattress on the floor. The only thing that was free, was the one item the kids already had. The frivolous fun things like the fridge didn't look sponsored (nor the candy bars), unless that sponsorship video is next. They thanked Ruby, not Kenmore and Mars.

Didn't Eve just get a second hand bed frame? Funny, because Ruby said she didn't move the old beds because she wanted them all to match. I don't see why Shari couldn't get one too, unless she thinks she is too good for that. Also, Ruby could have spent the sponsorship money on Shari and Chad rather than Julie and Abby if she wanted to. Nobody needed a new mattress. It is all just too illogical and out of character not to be some sort of master manipulation scheme.
I thought they all had new bed frames, they were white, and some were full/queen or twin. Maybe it was at the end of their time at other house, but how damn wasteful can you be. They were no older than a year, as they got them while Chad was away or just after.

I guess bottom line is Ruby does not do anything for her children out of the goodness of her heart, there's always an ulterior motive...advertisement or for vlog/instagram.
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Kattiness Everdeen wrote:
Happy+Charlie wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:47 pm
Kattiness Everdeen wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:00 pm Honestly, the description of how the flood even happened was suspect. The sprinkler system was damaged, but somehow the only part of the yard that flooded was Chad's window well? Why was his window well being watered in the first place, and how would a window well sprinkler head get damaged in yard construction?

I missed Ruby's stories talking about the curriculum, but everything else we have seen is ridiculous and troubling. Neither parent knowing the ages of their kids (or their grades - 7th grade is high school?), giving up day one and registering for private school after all. Is it the Mormon school? Shari mentioned her teachers had to broadcast live, so some of the students must have not come back to physical school. Shari still doesn't have a bed frame and was really embarrassed about it in her school vlog...punishment for not staying home? At least she can finally feel what it is like to see your siblings get things you don't.
Not punishment, Ruby just hasn't gotten a sponsor to furnish all the kids' rooms yet. Notice when she had to buy desks, it was 2nd hand (which there is absolutely nothing wrong with used, it's the best way to go), but it seems funny, all desks were used, when Ruby typically goes for expensive brands, I guess that's only when it's free.
Russell definitely got a bed and room furnishings because Ruby needed a place to film the sponsored video for diapers, but I suspect that Abby and Julie are getting their room makeovers as a bribe (and also a vlog set). I think Ruby would have redone the rooms even without a mattress sponsor, because she needed a way to keep the girls home, and a place to film them that wasn't a sad empty room with a mattress on the floor. The only thing that was free, was the one item the kids already had. The frivolous fun things like the fridge didn't look sponsored (nor the candy bars), unless that sponsorship video is next. They thanked Ruby, not Kenmore and Mars.

Didn't Eve just get a second hand bed frame? Funny, because Ruby said she didn't move the old beds because she wanted them all to match. I don't see why Shari couldn't get one too, unless she thinks she is too good for that. Also, Ruby could have spent the sponsorship money on Shari and Chad rather than Julie and Abby if she wanted to. Nobody needed a new mattress. It is all just too illogical and out of character not to be some sort of master manipulation scheme.
Of course it's a bribe, she needs content lol

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In the vlog posted today everyone got clothes except for Chad. The only clothes Chad got was matching clothes with Russell because ruby thought it would look cute and trendy on social media and YouTube. When ruby asked him what he thought about it he said was fine with it but I'm not sure he was. He only said he was ok with it because he knew that ruby might punish him and possibly send him back to camp for simply voicing his opinion. I honestly didn't find matching thst attractive but I know ruby thinks Chad needs to be grateful he is getting new clothes or she might throw some more clothes of his away.
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Shari isn’t getting punished for going back to traditional school but she’s definitely getting a glimpse of what it’s like to not be Ruby’s priority. All ruby cares about is pretending to home school so the four at home are definitely getting more attention (not in a healthy way) and first priority for any new purchases and clothes.
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Audrey3196 wrote:Shari isn’t getting punished for going back to traditional school but she’s definitely getting a glimpse of what it’s like to not be Ruby’s priority. All ruby cares about is pretending to home school so the four at home are definitely getting more attention (not in a healthy way) and first priority for any new purchases and clothes.
That's ironic as I thought Shari was the favorite child and had extra privileges that the other kids didn't have.

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Thank you for the title ♥️!
Now on to Ruby ! It as about as nauseating as it gets ,her pretending now she is the sweetest most loving mom of the year! Nauseating! She is as fake as they come!
Kelvin’s dirty looks towards the camera are just about as waring and telling as possible too!!!
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What's really sad is that it doesn't even surprise me anymore when Ruby's giving the kids something and then turns to the camera with her, "Oh, Chad's not getting this because blah, blah, blah." It happens every single time and it's always some bullshit excuse to make it seem ok that he's always the one kid who doesn't get a ton of nice new stuff or who doesn't get his closet or room shown off. Basically what she said in today's vlog is that he already bought himself a ton of clothes for back to school, so he doesn't need any more. Um, why did she not give him a heads up that she was buying him new school clothes? Why are all the other kids happily waiting for their new clothes from Ruby while Chad has to go buy his own? It's obvious she never had any intention of buying him new school clothes and he knew it. Interesting that Shari wasn't in this vlog. Ruby said it was because of her wisdom teeth, but still surprising that Shari wasn't right in the middle of it, trampling her younger sisters to snatch all the clothes and stealing everything she likes from them. Can't be a coincidence that the two kids who chose to go to school instead of homeschool didn't get any clothes. Funny how Ruby is all about, "My kids have a CHOICE about their schooling." But, if they choose homeschool they get furnished bedrooms, mini fridges, new clothes, get to go swimming and on field trips, get school supplies, get stuffed animals and hot chocolate. If you choose to go to school then you better pay for your own stuff and be prepared to sleep on the floor for the rest of your time living at home. Some "choice".
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This woman really needs to get her priorities straight, lol. "My hope for this school year is that they can feel good in their clothes," WTF! Grandma Griff must have told those girls growing up, as long as you are pretty/cute and dress nice, life is great, because Bonnie is doing the same to Olivia and teaching her it is what's on the outside that matters. Ruby sounded like a runway announcer, "next, we have Russell up......Russell is wearing his soft, cozy, warm suit just perfect for drinking hot chocolate and doing math in." She needs a job or hobby.

The thing I don't understand, what is the difference in them attending school at home, and having clothes to wear when they are home. Yes, they wore uniforms to school, but we never saw them wearing them past the school day (well, Eve was known to, she even used them as pajamas). So how is this considered a "school" haul, when they clearly just needed clothes for the weekend and after school. I know, "school" haul is more marketable than just a regular shopping spree which is what Ruby got out of it to feed her shopping addicton.

Also, Ruby saying, as the "principal," she gets to select their clothing, uh, Control Freak Ruby, you would be selecting their clothes regardless! It has been made clear the kids are to like and wear what you select for them, regardless of how much it shows on their face or they express their reasons for not liking it. I'm sure they know if they don't agree, they'll go without.

I'm glad to see they stopped trying to make Shari and Abby happen. Abby and Julie have always seemed closer, and just didn't seem right when they were trying to pull Abby away to bond with Shari.
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It feels very much like something a kid of about 8 would do- setting up the younger siblings or kids in the neighbourhood to play school, getting everyone organized around what they're going to wear and where they're going to sit and what kind of lunch box they'll have- spending the whole game setting it all up, and then it's over. That is a very strong memory of my childhood- setting up School with my stuffed animals. I feel like Ruby's children need a little bit more.
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natalka81 wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:37 am It feels very much like something a kid of about 8 would do- setting up the younger siblings or kids in the neighbourhood to play school, getting everyone organized around what they're going to wear and where they're going to sit and what kind of lunch box they'll have- spending the whole game setting it all up, and then it's over. That is a very strong memory of my childhood- setting up School with my stuffed animals. I feel like Ruby's children need a little bit more.
Ruby probably didn't have opportunity to do this as a child, she was too busy raising baby Ellie because Jennifer was over being a mom once she came along. Ruby is playing house now, and teaching school goes along with it. Too bad she lives in such a bubble, and hasn't a chance to see how people with much less come out as doctors, teachers, and scientists, lawyers, and social workers to name a few. It's not the material things that make a school, it is the education. Again, if you listened to Olivia with her school haul, everything was "cute," so as long as it's cute, doesn't matter if it's functional or really needed.
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rulatows000 wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:56 am What's really sad is that it doesn't even surprise me anymore when Ruby's giving the kids something and then turns to the camera with her, "Oh, Chad's not getting this because blah, blah, blah." It happens every single time and it's always some bullshit excuse to make it seem ok that he's always the one kid who doesn't get a ton of nice new stuff or who doesn't get his closet or room shown off. Basically what she said in today's vlog is that he already bought himself a ton of clothes for back to school, so he doesn't need any more. Um, why did she not give him a heads up that she was buying him new school clothes? Why are all the other kids happily waiting for their new clothes from Ruby while Chad has to go buy his own? It's obvious she never had any intention of buying him new school clothes and he knew it. Interesting that Shari wasn't in this vlog. Ruby said it was because of her wisdom teeth, but still surprising that Shari wasn't right in the middle of it, trampling her younger sisters to snatch all the clothes and stealing everything she likes from them. Can't be a coincidence that the two kids who chose to go to school instead of homeschool didn't get any clothes. Funny how Ruby is all about, "My kids have a CHOICE about their schooling." But, if they choose homeschool they get furnished bedrooms, mini fridges, new clothes, get to go swimming and on field trips, get school supplies, get stuffed animals and hot chocolate. If you choose to go to school then you better pay for your own stuff and be prepared to sleep on the floor for the rest of your time living at home. Some "choice".
I think it's pretty obvious that Ruby is acting this way to the non-homeschoolers (Shari & Chad) because they want to get an actual education, not be under the thumb of Ruby Dearest as she pretends to be a teacher. They're both in high school and college is only a few scant years away. Can't speak for Shari, but I think Chad wants to get a good education so he can get a decent job and move far far away from his parents, especially his controlling mother. And if that's the case, I wish him all the success.
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I had a good laugh when Ruby told 9 year old Russell he will learn how to do maths this year (and learn a lot in general). Didn’t he learn anything while going to the private school she loves (welp, loves) so much?
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