Phil and Alex: Boob Juice Infatuation & Heart Defect Exploitation! | Part 11

[Dani_465]

They are being so quiet this morning and it has me worried. I really hope Cassidy is doing good.

I agree. I'm just hoping it's not some attention getting dramatic thing for Alex of people flooding her "praying" for Cass. Then she'll pop up with the million screen shots again.

And this is why I have such a disdain for them. They KNOW there are followers who are stalking IG awaiting news on Cassie. It’s disgusting, if cassie was fine last night (and didn’t need help) I wouldn’t be concerned. I would think NOTHING of it. But she wasn’t fine and she did need help. The silence is disgusting and and I’m almost certain cassie is fine and they are doing it on purpose.

*fine* as in as expected for having open heart surgery.

[Dani_465]

LOL... hi Alex. And as someone pointed out (haulnurse?) a cheat tube was done.

[afwifeykins]

LOL... hi Alex. And as someone pointed out (haulnurse?) a cheat tube was done.

I'm glad she finally updated. Cassidy has a long recovery ahead of her. I hope she doesn't need any more bedside surgeries.

[HashtagBlessed]

I think it's helpful to think long and hard about what kind of people would try to make a living by filming their family for YouTube before excusing strange behavior.

In my opinion, just because they're doing it for YouTube/social media doesn't make it any less weird. It's just as narcissistic and attention seeking to me. It takes a special kind of narcissist to exploit their kids for a paycheck. They do it to their healthy adopted children and their medically compromised child.

I think it's just as much for the attention as it is for the paycheck. Something had to sustain them all those years they were making YouTube videos before it became a full-time income, and I think it was the need for attention/accolades and the performative nature of it. Lots of people fall into this performative parenting trap with social media to a lesser extent- "Must show everyone how great my life is, how great my marriage is, what a great parent I am" etc. But these YouTubers are more pathological about it.

[citbcitw]

I dont know how anyone of sound mind can even think of whipping their phone out to take ANY photos in a hospital (except of course in labour and delivery). And if you do choose to do that, keep them off public social media.

So phils on one side of the room, alex is on the other and the medical team are working on cassidy and he whips his phone out to take a photo of his “devastated” wife?? Who thinks like that? “Oh this would be good for the gram”.

Im surprised alex hasnt taken a photo of cassidys incision site to show, or the leur in her hand yet. Its only a matter of time of course and she has to get her beauty sleep first.

I’m assuming they were filming for a vlog. So, that can still be just as bad, but idk that he had the time to think, “omg something horrific is happening! Let me get my phone out and take a photo of Alex looking sad.” Or whatever.
I think a camera was already out.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That's a good point. I think most of us balk at the photos because it seems so bizarre to be posting pictures and videos in a crisis. Its such a different mindset.
When my little one fell against a door and sliced her head open, I took a picture to send to my husband to make sure I was correct she'd need stitches (it was at the beginning of covid so I really didn't want to take her if it wasn't absolutely necessary). I was anxious until I got a photo of her happily playing with a barbie from the nurse and posted that a while later with a quick rundown for our family. I've never posted the first, it just feels wrong. I didn't post selfies or timed photos of me waiting around looking concerned, etc. I know its a vastly different situation obviously but you get the point. The YouTuber brain is wired very differently in that they film and post everything (and, I'm sure, see dollar signs in certain scenarios).

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Yes to all of this. And it doesn't help that their most viewed video that went viral with 30M views was when Kinsley hurt her tiny finger and needed to go to urgent care. If I remember correctly, she broke the tip of her finger and her nail fell off (or partially fell off?). The clips start right after the accident happen and it looked like Phil grabbed the camera to record it in the heat of the moment when Alex was tending to crying Kinsley. This was before they were full time YTers and wayyy before RV life, but I'm sure that it reinforced in their minds the kind of content that gets a lot of attention (and makes them a lot of money). It sadly added fuel to the fire, and P&A have probably been trying to recreate that kind of sensation.

[Dani_465]

Awww Cassie. . I can’t imagine the pain she was in.

[DarthMama]

Awww Cassie. . I can’t imagine the pain she was in.

Come on Cass!! You need to get better to be able to run far from these two.

[jrockjoy]

Awww Cassie. . I can’t imagine the pain she was in.

Come on Cass!! You need to get better to be able to run far from these two.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Tiger27]

General answer to questions posed here recently... yes, I’m going to keep being the annoying one going “against the grain” and viewing them in a more positive light then the overwhelmingly majority here. But what’s the point of a discussion board if we only ever have one sided arguments. And I’ll be clear, I still think Alex is a nutball and made a lot of wrong choices in a million different aspects since I’ve been watching them on YouTube.

ICU rooms in any relatively new US hospital are huge. Go scroll back on @carlymcclure ‘s Instagram and you can get a really good idea of what living in an ICU as a heart mom looks like. The room is huge and every inch is devoted to monitor’s and ICU equipment for her baby Josie. Carly slept in little couch convertible bed the entire 8 months they were inpatient.

US medicine highly believes in having family bedside for critical moments, especially if CPR is in progress. There is tons of evidence to show that when family is bedside, there’s better coping and more acceptance of events for all involved. Phil and Alex where probably only asked to leave because a sterile surgical type situation was occurring. Typically parents/family are allowed to stay and watch “rapid response” situations though (which are the codes called when you suspect a patient is rapidly decompensating). They were already in the room at the time this happened, and Alex was probably given a chair as is customary when for family when things start going south. They were probably then asked to leave for the sterile bedside procedure.

Then I’m seeing posts here that they are sharing too many pictures and/or not enough updates. And “Hi Alex” like she’s actually reading here when her baby’s fresh out of surgery and that’s when she chooses to update. Lol because I’m sure she’s wasting her energy on a gossip site.

And since everyone here seems to be the child of a narcissist parent and expert on the subject...sharing pancake pictures (because maybe she wants to drown her sorrows in some in pancakes that who knows if she even actually ended up eating) is a narc move now? I mean the overlabeling as every last thing as narcissistic behavior is getting old, especially considering that’s an actual medical diagnosis.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[MarshmallowBreath]

I don’t think it’s the pictures themselves that are inherently distasteful. But this child has had her personal medical history publicly documented and monetized since before she was even born. Even in Hollywood, children are protected by laws (cannot film before six months old, having a teacher on set, cannot film past a certain number of hours) but the laws haven’t caught up with YouTube yet. These people are exploiting their children for money, that is the bottom line.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[citbcitw]

General answer to questions posed here recently... yes, I’m going to keep being the annoying one going “against the grain” and viewing them in a more positive light then the overwhelmingly majority here. But what’s the point of a discussion board if we only ever have one sided arguments. And I’ll be clear, I still think Alex is a nutball and made a lot of wrong choices in a million different aspects since I’ve been watching them on YouTube.

ICU rooms in any relatively new US hospital are huge. Go scroll back on @carlymcclure ‘s Instagram and you can get a really good idea of what living in an ICU as a heart mom looks like. The room is huge and every inch is devoted to monitor’s and ICU equipment for her baby Josie. Carly slept in little couch convertible bed the entire 8 months they were inpatient.

US medicine highly believes in having family bedside for critical moments, especially if CPR is in progress. There is tons of evidence to show that when family is bedside, there’s better coping and more acceptance of events for all involved. Phil and Alex where probably only asked to leave because a sterile surgical type situation was occurring. Typically parents/family are allowed to stay and watch “rapid response” situations though (which are the codes called when you suspect a patient is rapidly decompensating). They were already in the room at the time this happened, and Alex was probably given a chair as is customary when for family when things start going south. They were probably then asked to leave for the sterile bedside procedure.

Then I’m seeing posts here that they are sharing too many pictures and/or not enough updates. And “Hi Alex” like she’s actually reading here when her baby’s fresh out of surgery and that’s when she chooses to update. Lol because I’m sure she’s wasting her energy on a gossip site.

And since everyone here seems to be the child of a narcissist parent and expert on the subject...sharing pancake pictures (because maybe she wants to drown her sorrows in some in pancakes that who knows if she even actually ended up eating) is a narc move now? I mean the overlabeling as every last thing as narcissistic behavior is getting old, especially considering that’s an actual medical diagnosis.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I really do appreciate where you're coming from agree with a lot of what you're saying. I do think it's also important to point out that everyone is coming to P&A's channel with different experiences and trauma and at the end of the day, we're all trying to work out our own issues. In some ways, this channel has helped me to identify things that my narcissistic mother did and find some sort of resolve with it; in no way am I an expert, but some things are extremely triggering to me and I experience them differently than others. This forum is almost like sandbox for all of us who are experiencing their content in a way that isn't necessarily positive and feel the need to share about it.

I agree with some things that I read on this forum and don't connect with others. I'm not trying to be 'right' about anything when I post things here, but I am hoping that the way that I am reflecting on their content helps someone else figure out what they're feeling about it.

I guess all I'm getting here is that I think it's important that we all hold empathy for each other. We might not all agree with what others are saying and that's okay. I would be so curious to learn about the vastly different backgrounds that we all come from! Especially in today's world, holding space for things that are different than us are is an important thing to keep in mind, even if it's too much to ask at the moment.

(Of course, I've asked myself to hold this same empathy for P&A and to be completely honest, it's difficult for me because of the personal issues that I am currently working through. This may be true for those who cannot hold space for others on this forum who have different opinions than them and that's okay. I just think it's an important thing to point out!)

[Dani_465]

Well that didn’t take long to come up with a new #.

[Maite5]

General answer to questions posed here recently... yes, I’m going to keep being the annoying one going “against the grain” and viewing them in a more positive light then the overwhelmingly majority here. But what’s the point of a discussion board if we only ever have one sided arguments. And I’ll be clear, I still think Alex is a nutball and made a lot of wrong choices in a million different aspects since I’ve been watching them on YouTube.

ICU rooms in any relatively new US hospital are huge. Go scroll back on @carlymcclure ‘s Instagram and you can get a really good idea of what living in an ICU as a heart mom looks like. The room is huge and every inch is devoted to monitor’s and ICU equipment for her baby Josie. Carly slept in little couch convertible bed the entire 8 months they were inpatient.

US medicine highly believes in having family bedside for critical moments, especially if CPR is in progress. There is tons of evidence to show that when family is bedside, there’s better coping and more acceptance of events for all involved. Phil and Alex where probably only asked to leave because a sterile surgical type situation was occurring. Typically parents/family are allowed to stay and watch “rapid response” situations though (which are the codes called when you suspect a patient is rapidly decompensating). They were already in the room at the time this happened, and Alex was probably given a chair as is customary when for family when things start going south. They were probably then asked to leave for the sterile bedside procedure.

Then I’m seeing posts here that they are sharing too many pictures and/or not enough updates. And “Hi Alex” like she’s actually reading here when her baby’s fresh out of surgery and that’s when she chooses to update. Lol because I’m sure she’s wasting her energy on a gossip site.

And since everyone here seems to be the child of a narcissist parent and expert on the subject...sharing pancake pictures (because maybe she wants to drown her sorrows in some in pancakes that who knows if she even actually ended up eating) is a narc move now? I mean the overlabeling as every last thing as narcissistic behavior is getting old, especially considering that’s an actual medical diagnosis.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I really do appreciate where you're coming from agree with a lot of what you're saying. I do think it's also important to point out that everyone is coming to P&A's channel with different experiences and trauma and at the end of the day, we're all trying to work out our own issues. In some ways, this channel has helped me to identify things that my narcissistic mother did and find some sort of resolve with it; in no way am I an expert, but some things are extremely triggering to me and I experience them differently than others. This forum is almost like sandbox for all of us who are experiencing their content in a way that isn't necessarily positive and feel the need to share about it.

I agree with some things that I read on this forum and don't connect with others. I'm not trying to be 'right' about anything when I post things here, but I am hoping that the way that I am reflecting on their content helps someone else figure out what they're feeling about it.

I guess all I'm getting here is that I think it's important that we all hold empathy for each other. We might not all agree with what others are saying and that's okay. I would be so curious to learn about the vastly different backgrounds that we all come from! Especially in today's world, holding space for things that are different than us are is an important thing to keep in mind, even if it's too much to ask at the moment.

(Of course, I've asked myself to hold this same empathy for P&A and to be completely honest, it's difficult for me because of the personal issues that I am currently working through. This may be true for those who cannot hold space for others on this forum who have different opinions than them and that's okay. I just think it's an important thing to point out!)

I could not have agreed with you More !!!!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[DarthMama]

General answer to questions posed here recently... yes, I’m going to keep being the annoying one going “against the grain” and viewing them in a more positive light then the overwhelmingly majority here. But what’s the point of a discussion board if we only ever have one sided arguments. And I’ll be clear, I still think Alex is a nutball and made a lot of wrong choices in a million different aspects since I’ve been watching them on YouTube.

ICU rooms in any relatively new US hospital are huge. Go scroll back on @carlymcclure ‘s Instagram and you can get a really good idea of what living in an ICU as a heart mom looks like. The room is huge and every inch is devoted to monitor’s and ICU equipment for her baby Josie. Carly slept in little couch convertible bed the entire 8 months they were inpatient.

US medicine highly believes in having family bedside for critical moments, especially if CPR is in progress. There is tons of evidence to show that when family is bedside, there’s better coping and more acceptance of events for all involved. Phil and Alex where probably only asked to leave because a sterile surgical type situation was occurring. Typically parents/family are allowed to stay and watch “rapid response” situations though (which are the codes called when you suspect a patient is rapidly decompensating). They were already in the room at the time this happened, and Alex was probably given a chair as is customary when for family when things start going south. They were probably then asked to leave for the sterile bedside procedure.

Then I’m seeing posts here that they are sharing too many pictures and/or not enough updates. And “Hi Alex” like she’s actually reading here when her baby’s fresh out of surgery and that’s when she chooses to update. Lol because I’m sure she’s wasting her energy on a gossip site.

And since everyone here seems to be the child of a narcissist parent and expert on the subject...sharing pancake pictures (because maybe she wants to drown her sorrows in some in pancakes that who knows if she even actually ended up eating) is a narc move now? I mean the overlabeling as every last thing as narcissistic behavior is getting old, especially considering that’s an actual medical diagnosis.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Most understand they were in the room when whatever happened. The odd behavior was the fact that your child is going south and the first thought was "Hey, lets whip out the camera and take a picture of this situation." But honestly in that picture it was the first picture of true feelings in the moment on Alex's face. I know personally I actually felt for her in that picture and that picture alone. All the other and videos have been fake crying and tears. Pounding her chest is a move to get one to cause pain.

The pancake thing, at least to me, isn't a narc move. But shows how all her "all natural" is bull shit. Just a vlog or so ago one of the girls asked for a cookie and was told no. We all know Alex will go on an on about how the girls aren't allowed sweets and such. Yet she dives head first into sugar covered pancakes, ones covered in high fructose corn syrup and processed fruit. As well as it was just a strange post all around in this situation. The waiting outside post wasn't picked apart because it would have been a typical post.

What this all boils down to currently is exploitation of poor Cass. Look at their last video was all about her so called home schooling but has "Day in the life of a medically fragile baby." It was all for views. She knew damn well no one gives 3 craps about her home schooling. So she had to add the point about Cass for clickbait. In the last 4 months there is about 20 thumbnails of Cass in some sort of medical setting, compared to the 10 that aren't. That should be telling alone. Of those 10 only 4 have K or C in them.

[citbcitw]

They did this again...

https://people.com/parents/youtuber-phi ... t-surgery/

I'd be interested to see if these articles actually boost their subscribers. It's so low quality, almost like an algorithm could have written it.

I'm guessing that the release of yesterday's video (which is linked in this article) coincided with the article release. It seemed strange to me that they released that video specifically on the day of her surgery (it focused so much on Alex homeschooling), but now it makes sense. All a way of boosting subscribers with new content and to promote their new schtick.

[IVFwarrior]

I certainly don't watch P&A to better understand and work through my own issues. In fact, I no longer watch their videos at all bc I don't want to give them $$.

I will say I have empathy for them because I know what they must be going through because I have been through something similar. But I have no sympathy for them because I think they are awful people and I and have no vested interest in their wellbeing like their hundreds of thousands of fans.

I come here to comment on their exploitation of their children and Alex's narcissistic parenting. In my opinion, they don't get a free pass because their kid is in the hospital. If anything, they are displaying even worse exploitation now by parading their baby's private health issues all over the world for their financial benefit. I find a similar thing happens when people die - they can be evil villains and all of a sudden everyone starts talking about them like a saint because they feel it's wrong to speak poorly of the dead.

So I'm going to continue commenting on Alex's narcissistic behaviour and child exploitation as long as she continues to do it. Whether in the hospital or not.

[Dani_465]

They did this again...

https://people.com/parents/youtuber-phi ... t-surgery/

I'd be interested to see if these articles actually boost their subscribers. It's so low quality, almost like an algorithm could have written it.

I'm guessing that the release of yesterday's video (which is linked in this article) coincided with the article release. It seemed strange to me that they released that video specifically on the day of her surgery (it focused so much on Alex homeschooling), but now it makes sense. All a way of boosting subscribers with new content and to promote their new schtick.

Yea wasn’t even an interview it was all taken by their IG accounts. It’s the internet lol... no big deal. Not like it’s the people magazine in print.

[In the middle]

Credit where credit is due. Alex’s “been spending most of the day adjusting her meds” and “it looks like we found a medication combo she likes”... no, Alex, the doctors did that. They studied and worked their arses off to become experts in their field and they saved your daughters life. Stop trying to be top dog know it all Alex and just be mum. They’re taking care of Cassidy’s physical needs, you take care of her emotional ones. You’re way way out of your league

[Dani_465]

Sooooo Alex didn’t seem Phil's post?

Now they saw Cassie before the emergency surgery. Phil’s post said as soon as they got there the surgeons came in.

All for dramatic effect. Not narcissistic at all.

[IVFwarrior]

Sooooo Alex didn’t seem Phil's post?

Now they saw Cassie before the emergency surgery. Phil’s post said as soon as they got there the surgeons came in.

All for dramatic effect. Not narcissistic at all.

P&A lie to suit their narrative. Never! lol!