Hayleeandfamily: Messy Divorce, New Baby Daddy Remorse | Part #5

[sadasfuck]

Attempting to defend someone from harm is not squawking. Attacking others for your own sheer gratification is. If you truly believe someone attempting to defend you is somehow emotionally or verbally abusive, then I beg you to re-evaluate your life choices and those you surround yourself with.

In addition, I'm not attacking any one person directly. I'm simply responding to accusations and false information in an attempt to protect someone I love from harm they do not deserve at the hands of others who have no right to judge. Should you ever have a loved one deal with suicide and depression, you would understand the helpless feeling of being unable to help while others continue to tear them down.

Plus you don't have to watch. Even if every member on this thread stopped, it would have negligible effect on overall views and even less on income. Plus, not that it matters, but my income alone would support us and than some. Haylee needs YouTube so she can be independent. Something that shouldn't be shamed by the way.

You do, however, need to improve on your reading comprehension. By saying, "The situation leading up to the question at hand was significantly more involved then the over simplification of, "Dann cursed at Hazzel," is not insinuating that I have done more than that to Hazzel or Haylee, but rather the opposite. Did you ever ask yourself, "What did Haylee do to lead up to that?" No. And quite honestly it's none of your concern. For if it were, your "concerns," about others would stop at feeling the necessity to be on this forum in an attempt to tear down others in the first place.

Stop pretending you care when the reality is you're simply thriving off the idea of another's turmoil and issues in some sort of sociopathic attempt to justify your own choices and outcome in life.

You have barely even defended Haylee during your time here, instead, you have been attacking not just me, but everyone here. Have we inflicted some kind of harm onto you personally? No. Last time I checked this thread was about Haylee, not you.

Also, you literally went out of your way to make an account to attack ME. Your first post was directed towards ME. And I love how you also just assume that none of us or anyone that we know have struggled with any kind of mental issue. I personally struggle with anxiety and PTSD, but of course that's none of your business. Also, "false accusations"? So again, you are insinuating that Haylee has lied about you. Way to defend her! Boyfriend of the year everybody!!

If Haylee needs Youtube to be independent, then why the fuck is she still living with you? She's been on Youtube for how long? Like 8 years? Thats a long ass time and for her to still not be independent. I also never shamed her for the fact that she's on Youtube, you're just putting words into our mouths at this point (except for that fact that every Youtube mom exploits their kids for money, but thats a whole other topic for another day).

I need to improve my reading comprehension? Oh please Dann give me a fucking break. You have A LOT of shit you need to improve on. For example, not taking strangers' comments that aren't even directed towards you to heart. And you especially need to improve on not being such a smart ass. Trying to explain to me the origin of the term "gaslighting". Lmao. You realize that people use that term all the time right? But you are just SO SMART and you know so much more than everyone else right? Who are you, Mr. Academia?

Are you now insinuating that Haylee has done something to you? Well, why don't I ask! Mr. Dann Giordano, "What did Haylee do to lead up to that?" Will you give me an answer? Probably not, because all you do here is cause more speculation. Also, whatever the fuck Haylee did to you DOES NOT excuse you cussing at Hazzel (if you actually did or not, because you still won't answer a simple yes or no question). Nothing does.

Also stop calling me a sociopath. Do you even know what that means? Probably not but of course you pretend you do just because you're SO fucking intelligent and just know so much. You are the most pompous motherfucker I have ever seen. At this point I honestly feel bad for Haylee for having to put up with your ass.

[PissedOutDQ]

Yes, please mansplain more to me. Gaslight was a movie where an abusive dude makes a chick think she's crazy/delusional.

Just your average douchey dude. You're toxic af.

Her Youtube pays the bills hunty. You gonna give her moolah to splurge $1k on decor? She could leave youtube whenever she wants. But she keeps coming back for the easy money. She's not being chased by paparazzi. She can avoid this site easy.

[mommagoss]

LMAO, the first thought i had clicking on this thread was ‘shit it just got spicy’ but dann is boring as hell and isn’t even sticking up for his girlfriend. what a narcissist thinking everyone gives a shit about his cocky ass attitude.

[Lucky-one]

Definitely a narcissist. And lmao about his comment about how much money he makes. I overlooked that at first. I’m sure he makes sooo much money. Not saying Haylee is making a ton from YouTube, but I’m sure the money she makes is a significant portion of their combined income. What does dann do? I was under the impression he was a salesman or something.


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[dannjg]

It's not, "mansplaining," it's a fact. The 1938 play Gas Light was originally a dark humor mystery thriller by Patrick Hamilton mocking the then modern relationship standard that all women were hysteric. It wasn't until six years later in 1944 when George Cukor adapted the play to film and changed the overall premise to sell better to women in the audience. Basically both mocked women in their own regard and yet modern day, "cancel culture," decided it was a good catchphrase to categorize, "toxic masculinity." Pretty ironic when you think about it. Simply because people use it, "all the time," doesn't make it right or appropriate. People also use the expression, "the customer is always right," which a French Hotelier used to openly mock customers to their face while making them feel as though they won their argument. Doesn't mean it shouldn't change.

Never the less, believe what you may. I am in no way sitting here defending myself in any narcissistic fashion, or any fashion for that matter. I never once sat here saying I'm Gods gift to women, or bragging about a six figure income, or claiming I'm some sort of great loss, of being, "boyfriend of the year," as you put it. All I ever even said in any of these regards was I could support us on my income alone and that is true.

The fact is I have done nothing but attempt to sway the conversation back away from me and to the fact that what you're all doing to Haylee is wrong with each response I post. No one with, or who knows someone with, any form of PTSD, anxiety, depression, suicidal tendencies, etc. would be so careless as to do anything that may push someone closer to their breaking point; stranger or not. Yet this all continues to fall on deaf ears, because once again, it doesn't give you the gratification and approval you're looking for. Which in my only defense so far, is exactly what I was told would happen.

So do as you may. I'm tired of explaining to those who choose not to listen that what you are doing is wrong and hurtful. Like I have said before, I just pray you, or someone you love/care for, never have to deal with something like this in your lifetime. Stop pretending to care about the people you openly attack who are simply trying to recover and do better. Best of luck to you all and whatever you are hoping to accomplish from this god forsaken forum of toxicity.

[PissedOutDQ]

You have a way don't you to turn everything around on someone. 'no, we shouldn't use that word, it's damaging to WOMEN, just nice guy Dann looking out for you womenz."

Distract, deflect, distract from the facts. Seems like we mostly shit on her for staying with you. That's what really got your panties in a bunch.

Haylee seems worse off with you. There's a reason why she wasn't over the moon the be pregnant and tied forever to you. Why don't you ponder that Danny boy.

[Lucky-one]

You have a way don't you to turn everything around on someone. 'no, we shouldn't use that word, it's damaging to WOMEN, just nice guy Dann looking out for you womenz."

Distract, deflect, distract from the facts. Seems like we mostly shit on her for staying with you. That's what really got your panties in a bunch.

Haylee seems worse off with you. There's a reason why she wasn't over the moon the be pregnant and tied forever to you. Why don't you ponder that Danny boy.

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This was one forum on ytmd that wasn’t ever terribly negative. Lots of times people were discussing Haylee and saying she was a good mom. Lots of talk about randy being creepy back in the day, but Haylee was generally liked as a YouTube mom for the most part. I was always a supporter of her until dann came along and she really seemed to change. And that’s fine if she really has, but like I said, I don’t watch her anymore, but I’ll still check in here in case something changes. Dann only really cares because nobody likes him and that bothers him. Maybe he should stop reading here. After all, Haylee always told us she didn’t read her when she came in to post here from time to time, so why should she care what happens in here?


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[Maxxinsta96]

The thing is no one is forcing haylee to read here? Does anyone have a gun to her head and is saying read here now!! The issues with these “influencers” is they want everyone to kiss their ass and not to disagree with anything they do. It’s too easy of $ for them to leave and to get actual jobs. I find it funny haylee says they’re going to continue living together for financial reasons but Dannnnn claims he can support them on his income. If that was the case I could see haylee not even vlogging at all. I think she’s posting a lot this month because it is December and it means more $$$ for these influencers who love to pimp out their kids. I think her dad probably said no to her moving back home and so she is stuck with dann. Also the fact that hazzel wants to go to dannnnn’s place if they ever move apart screams abandonment issues. Sorry but if a fuckboy cussed out my daughter who knows what else he is capable of? I personally don’t think she should be going there unsupervised but I see them living together for as long as they can because slicing and dicing each other is GoAlS

[Maxxinsta96]

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[lizpuff2006]

The thing is no one is forcing haylee to read here? Does anyone have a gun to her head and is saying read here now!! The issues with these “influencers” is they want everyone to kiss their ass and not to disagree with anything they do. It’s too easy of $ for them to leave and to get actual jobs. I find it funny haylee says they’re going to continue living together for financial reasons but Dannnnn claims he can support them on his income. If that was the case I could see haylee not even vlogging at all. I think she’s posting a lot this month because it is December and it means more $$$ for these influencers who love to pimp out their kids. I think her dad probably said no to her moving back home and so she is stuck with dann. Also the fact that hazzel wants to go to dannnnn’s place if they ever move apart screams abandonment issues. Sorry but if a fuckboy cussed out my daughter who knows what else he is capable of? I personally don’t think she should be going there unsupervised but I see them living together for as long as they can because slicing and dicing each other is GoAlS

I'm willing to bet Hazzel would not get Christmas gifts if Haylee didn't buy them. She's not his kid so I can see him being unwilling to purchase her things.

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[pianogossiper]

I agree with the poster who said this forum was one that was never overly negative - go look at Messica or Britney and see what a negative forum looks like.

When Dann first came into the picture I actually liked him, and was happy to see Haylee in what appeared to be an incredibly well matched relationship. She seemed to thrive having the 3 kids around, and no one can fault her for treating Dustin like her own because from what we see, at least, she does.

What I CAN fault her for is not defending her own daughter in this setup, who has had an absent father her whole life, grew attached to Randy as dad (which again, fine, because they were married) and then had to be the one to find him cheating in the bed he slept in with her mom. That's traumatising. Hazzel has no idea what a healthy relationship looks like and thats incredibly unfortunate because for all Randy was weird and pushy, and Dann is well, Dann, at the beginning of each relationship it genuinely seemed like things were going to work out well.

Whatever Haylee did or didn't do to Dann to provoke him, or what Dann actually said to Hazzel, is honestly irrelevant. Hazzel should never have been involved or used as a target if they were fighting, and Hazzel shouldn't be spoken to like shit regardless of if "Haylee started it".

The fact someone is willing to use/treat a child in such a manner speaks volumes and its ridiculous. However, this is also an example of why you don't air dirty laundry online. Haylee is very clearly laying the foundations for a "we're back together now" announcement in the future. If she had never aired her dirty laundry none of us would be the wiser. If she genuinely thought there was a chance they could fix things, she wouldn't have done it, as not only does it let US see how Dann really is, but her fans are going to have negative opinions as well after reading her stories. There's really no coming back from that.

The only benefit to the dirty laundry airing is hopefully people will be more alert around Hazzel and look out for her more, as her mother and Dann clearly aren't concerned by her needs.

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[sadasfuck]

I will be honest and admit that I can be and have been very negative on this forum. But the main reason why I dislike Haylee and believe she is a terrible mother is mainly because she has shown us time and time again that she puts shitty men before her own daughter, and hops from man to man even if it's damaging for Hazzel, and I just find it disgusting. Haylee has never once stood up for her daughter and has shown time and time again that she is selfish and cares more about herself, men, and sex, rather than her own fucking kids. And she continues to sit back and make excuses for Dann's favoritism and shit, and still living with him even if they are "not together". Must be so confusing for the kids especially Hazzel.

In her recent "Q&A" video, she was even getting emotional because she didn't want Hazzel to lose yet another "father figure". Guess what Haylee, Hazzel wouldn't be losing another father figure if you weren't so dependent on shitty men that always end up leaving. Sorry to say this but it really is your fault that Hazzel has experienced so much instability in her short life thus far. I say these things because if Haylee does read here (which obviously she does) I want her to really sit back and think of what she has and is currently doing to Hazzel and hopefully wake up and make things better for not only Hazzel and Sterling, but also herself. Honestly not even trying to be mean or evil (even if it may come off that way), just brutally honest. She really needs to put her kids first for once and give them a better life, which they deserve.

And yes, maybe she is a better mother than, like BritneyandBaby or whoever, but no amount of toys, clothes, and french toast will ever make up for daddy issues. Like another poster said, Hazzel is already exhibited abandonment issues for wanting to still see Dann despite the fact that he has treated her poorly. And she is unfortunately doomed to be some man's doormat one day because Haylee has and continues to set horrible examples for her. It's incredibly heartbreaking.

[BrokenHeart410]

The thing is no one is forcing haylee to read here? Does anyone have a gun to her head and is saying read here now!! The issues with these “influencers” is they want everyone to kiss their ass and not to disagree with anything they do. It’s too easy of $ for them to leave and to get actual jobs. I find it funny haylee says they’re going to continue living together for financial reasons but Dannnnn claims he can support them on his income. If that was the case I could see haylee not even vlogging at all. I think she’s posting a lot this month because it is December and it means more $$$ for these influencers who love to pimp out their kids. I think her dad probably said no to her moving back home and so she is stuck with dann. Also the fact that hazzel wants to go to dannnnn’s place if they ever move apart screams abandonment issues. Sorry but if a fuckboy cussed out my daughter who knows what else he is capable of? I personally don’t think she should be going there unsupervised but I see them living together for as long as they can because slicing and dicing each other is GoAlS

I'm willing to bet Hazzel would not get Christmas gifts if Haylee didn't buy them. She's not his kid so I can see him being unwilling to purchase her things.

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I don't think Hazzel really said she wanted to visit Dann if they moved out unless she figured that would be the only way she could still see Dustin or I wouldn't be surprised if maybe she didn't want Dann to be alone with Sterling i could totally see her being extremely protective of her baby brother since her mom doesn't seem protective at all.

But I could also see Hayley lying about Hazzel wanting to still see Dann to make him look better.

I think it's a little weird that Hazzel and Dustin pretty much got the same thing in their stockings considering she is almost 9 (I think) and he is only 4. And what the heck is Sterling going to do with a walkie talkie? He is lacking the one skill you need for that . And I dont see Hazzel really being interested in communicating with a 4 year old especially since he is right down the hall from her. I think after the first few minutes the kids would lose interest especially Hazzel. it seems like all the stocking stuffers were geared towards Dustin's likes and interests and the other kids were just an after thought

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[BrokenHeart410]

I will be honest and admit that I can be and have been very negative on this forum. But the main reason why I dislike Haylee and believe she is a terrible mother is mainly because she has shown us time and time again that she puts shitty men before her own daughter, and hops from man to man even if it's damaging for Hazzel, and I just find it disgusting. Haylee has never once stood up for her daughter and has shown time and time again that she is selfish and cares more about herself, men, and sex, rather than her own fucking kids. And she continues to sit back and make excuses for Dann's favoritism and shit, and still living with him even if they are "not together". Must be so confusing for the kids especially Hazzel.

In her recent "Q&A" video, she was even getting emotional because she didn't want Hazzel to lose yet another "father figure". Guess what Haylee, Hazzel wouldn't be losing another father figure if you weren't so dependent on shitty men that always end up leaving. Sorry to say this but it really is your fault that Hazzel has experienced so much instability in her short life thus far. I say these things because if Haylee does read here (which obviously she does) I want her to really sit back and think of what she has and is currently doing to Hazzel and hopefully wake up and make things better for not only Hazzel and Sterling, but also herself. Honestly not even trying to be mean or evil (even if it may come off that way), just brutally honest. She really needs to put her kids first for once and give them a better life, which they deserve.

And yes, maybe she is a better mother than, like BritneyandBaby or whoever, but no amount of toys, clothes, and french toast will ever make up for daddy issues. Like another poster said, Hazzel is already exhibited abandonment issues for wanting to still see Dann despite the fact that he has treated her poorly. And she is unfortunately doomed to be some man's doormat one day because Haylee has and continues to set horrible examples for her. It's incredibly heartbreaking.

THIS*. I just want to add (since she does read here) nobody is saying there is anything wrong with Hayley getting out there and dating or a FWB type thing (just don't get pregnant this time ) or even a relationship but she doesn't need to bring every man home to meet Hazzel and especially now Sterling. I'm sure her parents or siblings wouldn't mind watching the kids (because honestly I wouldn't trust/want Dann alone with them) so she could go on dates or whatever. When/if she finds a man she actually likes she should date him for 6ish months (I know it seems like a long time but look at her history) and really get to know him and then if there are no red flags she could introduce him to her children and not by moving him in but by them all going out to lunch/dinner or some where fun for the kids (if covid didn't exist). As far as we know she has actually been pretty lucky. I know Dann is but with her moving in every she decides to hop on she's lucky her daughter hasn't been physically or sexually abused (or worse)

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[lizpuff2006]

That's the thing with all these YouTube moms. when they meet somebody new they immediately meet their children. And then all of a sudden oops there's another baby. I don't know if any of these new YouTube babies or planned or not but I'm sure the dads were not in on it. But I got to say you can't be surprised to get pregnant if you're not using any birth control. Take your life into your own hands

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[lizpuff2006]

That's the thing with all these YouTube moms. when they meet somebody new they immediately meet their children. And then all of a sudden oops there's another baby. I don't know if any of these new YouTube babies were planned or not but I'm sure the dads were not in on it. But I got to say you can't be surprised to get pregnant if you're not using any birth control. Take your life into your own hands

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[lizpuff2006]

It also seems like Hazzel always gets the short end of the stick. She never gets to live in a home for very long. She never gets to know a father figure for very long. Perhaps Haylee staying with Dann is an attempt to keep something stable for her. But if there is constant fighting or tension that may be worse than moving back home.

She is very lucky that Hazzel is as good of a girl as she is. Otherwise I think she would be acting out a ton

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[lizpuff2006]

Also one more post. I don't know what kind of play Dann thinks he read about. Perhaps he only read the Wikipedia page but the play about gas lighting is most certainly about mental and emotional abuse of a husband toward a wife.



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[sadasfuck]

It also seems like Hazzel always gets the short end of the stick. She never gets to live in a home for very long. She never gets to know a father figure for very long. Perhaps Haylee staying with Dann is an attempt to keep something stable for her. But if there is constant fighting or tension that may be worse than moving back home.

She is very lucky that Hazzel is as good of a girl as she is. Otherwise I think she would be acting out a ton

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Yeah I agree and in her Q&A video she said that Hazzel actually finds moving exciting but its probably because that's all she's used to. Hazzel has never had a stable home. Honestly I get that staying with Dann would mean that Hazzel would not have to lose another father figure but honestly Dann just really ain't it and they would probably be better without him.

Hazzel may be a good girl now, but she will definitely start acting out in a couple years when she is a teenager, just like Haylee did. Just seems inevitable at this point. Also considering the fact that children of teen moms, especially daughters, tend to grow up to be teen moms themselves. Just seems like a vicious cycle.

[PissedOutDQ]

Yeah...
I know a girl. Her mom was unstable, moved her a ton. She hated moving so much as a kid. Then she grew up, followed in her mom's footsteps- had a kid out of wedlock, several more kids and baby daddies, many moves.

Cycles repeat. Hazzel unfortunately will likely grow up and repeat her mother's mistakes.