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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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gypsophila wrote:*sought out, not seeked out

The nature of this site is that the majority of people do relentlessly put down mothers and children, with or without cause. That doesn't mean that it's the rule. It's flat out wrong to criticize a child for things they cannot change. Maybe Lily does have developmental issues. The thing none of us knows, no matter how much Dr. Google we play, is how much is Turners, and how much is just her normal personality. It's apples and oranges trying to compare Lily to any other child around here, unless there is another child with Turners or some other syndrome.

It's also the nature of people to want to blame Vanessa for everything. It's not her fault that Lily has Turners, or that she has certain delays. She works so hard with her, I don't see how anyone can say she doesn't help her at all. Lily sees a doctor once a week. I think Vanessa says she has 7 specialists and a speech therapist. Lily isn't weird, that's such an insult. Such an easy shot when you just want to get at Vanessa. I'm not buying it. The last couple of videos showed Lily running around squealing like a normal little girl. She was jumping up and down and clapping at Piper's party, and running around outside. She's normal. She's shy and introverted. She may or may not have trouble in school. Turners girls have known difficulties in some areas. That's no one's fault either.
You're never one pass up an opportunity to be passive aggressive hey Gypso! Thank you for the correction! :FU:

As for Lily, clearly Vanessa's minions on this site see one thing. Her rabid hater's see another. The rest of us have an opinion somewhere in the middle.
I have always maintained the position that children should be off limits - to an extent. I'm sorry but these families have chosen to put their lives on YT, and with the good comes the bad.
I'll say what I like, as we are all entitled to our opinions. If you can't handle reading an opinion so different from your own, take your own advice and foe us!
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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Curtain06 wrote:
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RubyRed wrote:I assumed whoever said that was talking about Vanessa's teeth being yellow, not Lily's?

I agree, I assumed the poster was (is) referencing Vanessa's teeth.

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As for the Moral lecture, I agree, to a point. The line is often crossed on this website. However I encourage you to go read other threads and make a stand for ALL the children on this website. I look forward to seeing you fight the good fight for all the YT children!

Jesus, I'm so sick of the moral rants. Look I've said more times than I care to admit, that I disagree with something's that are said about the children on this site. As an adult, I read it. Shake my head, and IGNORE IT. Being a keyboard warrior isn't going to change anything, furthermore I understand the nature of the website I've seeked out and signed up for!
No moral lecture, I just think people need to sit back and think for two seconds you are talking about CHILDREN. You are insulting innocent children who have no choice about people seeing them and unfortunately judging them. It's for their mothers to decide and as we see time and time again, they often don't make the right choice do they?
I and others who agree with me are on here to judge the mothers/fathers as we see fit, even if that means to be an irrational c*nt about them. That's the nature of the site, not to insult fucking 3 year old children and in this case about a disabled child's appearance! You may happily sit back and go oh well but no I'll still say it's fucking revolting even if these people continue.
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I have not & will not insult a child. So you're barking up the wrong tree. Like another member posted if you think this bad, have a look around the site. You would be appalled.

And FYI

LILY IS NOT DISABLED. From her Mother's mouth.

Where are the minions on this one. In the past any mention of Lily being Disabled has resulted in an down and out war.
Her Turner's syndrome cannot be a card that's played at Vanessa's or her minions will. Yes Lily has Turner's. No she's not disabled.

Any of her "issues" are a result from her up bringing. Yes they are out of Lily's control, but not Vanessa's control!
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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She has a syndrome that affects her appearance causing swollen hands etc. whether you want to call it a syndrome/illness/disability, up to you.


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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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It will always be one rule for Lily and one rule for all the other children discussed on this site.
And Vanessa HAS to bring her to specalists and speech therapists so no she doesnt get mother of the year for that.
The way she makea Lily constantly watch stupid Disney movies is disgusting and lazy and will be detrimental to her when it comes to making friends. People need to realise no one is looking for excuses to be mean about Vanessa by talking about Lily...the way Lily is just shows everything weve said about Vanessa being a selfish lazy bitch who wont even put on her hot boots to take her child to the park or a toddler group or the library is true. Vanessa has no one to blame but herself
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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Oh and I'm not a minion hence why I said Vanessa has A LOT to do with Lily's behaviour. But her appearance etc. should be something that's out of bound and is unnecessarily harsh and plain hurtful. Don't insult children, I don't care how often or worse it is on other posts. It's fucked up.


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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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jedoc321 wrote:It will always be one rule for Lily and one rule for all the other children discussed on this site.
Completely agree, and a big reason I avoid posting in this section.
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I think to pick on children about their appearance and things is wrong full stop. As for hurtful nicknames that are put elsewhere, that's fucked and unnecessary too. It's one thing for this site to not be for those who 'can't handle it'. But the point is that it's here to judge the parents and channel content as you see fit, not to pick on children.


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jedoc321 wrote:It will always be one rule for Lily and one rule for all the other children discussed on this site.
And Vanessa HAS to bring her to specalists and speech therapists so no she doesnt get mother of the year for that.
The way she makea Lily constantly watch stupid Disney movies is disgusting and lazy and will be detrimental to her when it comes to making friends. People need to realise no one is looking for excuses to be mean about Vanessa by talking about Lily...the way Lily is just shows everything weve said about Vanessa being a selfish lazy bitch who wont even put on her hot boots to take her child to the park or a toddler group or the library is true. Vanessa has no one to blame but herself
I agree with a large part of that. Vanessa could do a lot more by her, fact.


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2011Teenagemom Part 18

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I think it is very hard to say Vanessa can do more or isn't doing enough unless you are in a similar situation, I'm assuming most of us do not know what it is like to have a daughter with turners. Nor is everyone a speech therapist, behavior therapist, or special or early childhood education teacher.


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Lovehound11 wrote:I think it is very hard to say Vanessa can do more or isn't doing enough unless you are in a similar situation, I'm assuming most of us do not know what it is like to have a daughter with turners. Nor is everyone a speech therapist, behavior therapist, or special or early childhood education teacher.


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Speech wise etc. to a point I agree. But taking a child out where children of her own age would be beneficial regardless. A trip once a week or even once a fortnight to a soft play centre would probably do her a world of good in terms of socialisation.


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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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Really? Saying Lily is weird is "such a insult".
Have any of you went into the real world? If that's such a insult then I'm insulted daily. Lol.

If Vanessa thought this shit & YouTube was so detrimental to Lily she wouldn't continue. So obviously she doesn't care. She continues to put her child out there. Vanessa knows what is said here. And she use to come on here & bash other moms (some may remember that).

We just talk (or gossip) about her. Really the stuff in this thread isn't so bad (I've seen worse).
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Lovemehatemexo wrote:Really? Saying Lily is weird is "such a insult".
Have any of you went into the real world? If that's such a insult then I'm insulted daily. Lol.

If Vanessa thought this shit & YouTube was so detrimental to Lily she wouldn't continue. So obviously she doesn't care. She continues to put her child out there. Vanessa knows what is said here. And she use to come on here & bash other moms (some may remember that).

We just talk (or gossip) about her. Really the stuff in this thread isn't so bad (I've seen worse).
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Vanessa cares more about things being said about her than she cares about things being said about Lily. She leaves hideous comments about Lily up all the time yet deletes negative comments about herself instantly. Not saying it makes it ok to talk about her child, but to comment on V's parenting and the effect it has on Lily is fair game in my opinion.
She seems like a bare minimum mom to me. Sandwiches and frozen chicken nuggets for lunch, doesn't do fun activities with her unless it's for a video and she doesn't introduce her to environments. She can drive now! Like someone else said, take her to story time at the library, take her to those play groups and dance classes you already got the praise for mentioning but never actually took her to. Google toddler activities. Learn how to have fun just you two together.
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And because Vanessa cares more about what is written about her then of course people should say as they like about Lily.
And as for living in the 'real world'. I don't often hear or socialise with people who would insult a 3 year old or subject them to the sort of things we would deal with every day.


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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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What is said here isn't even that insulting. You must have NO backbone if you think calling a child "not cute" is horrible. It is not the end of the world if some people think Lily is slow. You are the asshole if you think being slow is such an insult. And it isn't our fault that Vanessa stalks this page.
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Curtain06 wrote:And because Vanessa cares more about what is written about her then of course people should say as they like about Lily.
And as for living in the 'real world'. I don't often hear or socialise with people who would insult a 3 year old or subject them to the sort of things we would deal with every day.
Dumbledore wrote:Vanessa cares more about things being said about her than she cares about things being said about Lily. She leaves hideous comments about Lily up all the time yet deletes negative comments about herself instantly. Not saying it makes it ok to talk about her child, but to comment on V's parenting and the effect it has on Lily is fair game in my opinion.

People say much worse things about lily on V's own media sites that she has the power to control, monitor and delete but she chooses not to delete comments until enough people have seen it and people like you can feel outraged for her and defend her. This debate about keeping the kids looks and development out of discussion has been brought up countless times, best of luck to you on your crusade.
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I don't know I didn't really get socialized with kids my age until preschool. Not at anyone fault, there just weren't really any kids around when we moved. Nothing bad happened to me, other than being a bit shy. I'm curious to know how much socialization a 3 year old really needs, and whats considered detrimental. Especially with children who have Turners.

Off topic a bit, but Lily often asks for V to put movies on during vlogs. So she deff isn't forcing Lily to watch them 24/7 from what I've seen.
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Re: 2011Teenagemom Part 18

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Snow White wrote: You're never one pass up an opportunity to be passive aggressive hey Gypso! Thank you for the correction! :FU:

As for Lily, clearly Vanessa's minions on this site see one thing. Her rabid hater's see another. The rest of us have an opinion somewhere in the middle.
I have always maintained the position that children should be off limits - to an extent. I'm sorry but these families have chosen to put their lives on YT, and with the good comes the bad.
I'll say what I like, as we are all entitled to our opinions. If you can't handle reading an opinion so different from your own, take your own advice and foe us!
Snow, the fact that I have never foed you means to ME, that I consider your posts to be relevant to the topic. We disagree a lot, but I still respect your viewpoint, and your entitlement to state you opinion. I honestly just find some things funny (like saying Vanessa's grammar/spelling is bad, and then doing the same yourself). Honestly, it was just a joke in my mind. I smile A LOT when I read here, be assured. And usually, there's nothing passive about what I say. :)

It's fun to see other Vanessa fans on here, but I don't know if they will stay. We're not minions, and you're above calling people that to try get them to shut up. I've called Vanessa out too, when she's done things I didn't agree with. Or I just didn't speak up at all at times too.

Moving on, I think Vanessa shows Lily because she is unique. There are a million moms with healthy average kids on YT. Lily is not like those other children. I don't expect to see her once she goes to school full time, or maybe even before then, because Vanessa seems to have other plans for the future aside from YT. But who knows? I think Lily's story deserves to be told, warts and all. It may help another mother out there somewhere who has a child with Turners. It's an interesting topic, to me anyway.

It's terribly mean to talk negatively about any child's looks. They can't help it, and we're probably never going to see them grown up to know how they actually look for the rest of their lives. I don't think it's right to say a kid is ugly, but especially a special needs kid. I hope people here who think that's okay don't teach their own kids that it's okay to be prejudiced based on appearance. We don't need another whack of superficial dimwits out there, we have enough to deal with now. ;)
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pitbulllove wrote:I don't know I didn't really get socialized with kids my age until preschool. Not at anyone fault, there just weren't really any kids around when we moved. Nothing bad happened to me, other than being a bit shy. I'm curious to know how much socialization a 3 year old really needs, and whats considered detrimental. Especially with children who have Turners.

Off topic a bit, but Lily often asks for V to put movies on during vlogs. So she deff isn't forcing Lily to watch them 24/7 from what I've seen.
Yes, but it's the parents job to know when to say enough is enough. Lily does watch a lot of tv, in my opinion.
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