2011Teenagemom Part 18

[Snow White]

Uhhh, she has specialists, and sees a pediatrician... A doctor for kids... To see how she is developing... Probably a doctor for her Turners as well.... See how she's going with her hormone shots.

I think people just delibritly want something to be wrong with Lily just to bitch out Vanessa,

Thanks capitian obvious! Can I ask, do you have children? Do you have extensive experience with Pediatricians? Not everything is caught in the 10 mins your child spends with the doctor. Unless you bring it up, a lot can go Un Noticed.

[Cough]

I am very curious, is Lily's speech therapy over? I'm assuming she gets Early Intervention. 99% of the time that is the service children get for speech therapy before three. Either Vanessa is having a private speech therapist over or she just dropped speech therapy all together because Early Intervention ends when they turn three.. and Lily doesn't seem to be participating in the next step which is special preschool.

[09love]

A pediatrician is nothing special compared to a specialist. Come on!

[Snow White]

I feel like Lilys(and any childs) looks should be off limits. It just seems mean. If you comment on Lilys behavior because you are just trying to be an asshole to V I think thats terrible. But if there is genuine concern for Lily and you aren't rude about it I don't see any issue. With that said, I think that V says Lily is not delayed because she is trying to convince herself. I think Lily is adorable but I can't deny the fact that she seems to be behind and I definitely see the blank look you guys are talking about. I don't like V that much but I would never just say these things about Lily just to hurt her. I feel like some of us genuinely worry for Lily but I can only speak for myself. There is no shame in Lily being delayed(if she is). The problem would be if V knew she was behind(or suspected) but selfishly didn't try to work with her more or get more professional opinions on it simply because she wants to deny it. But, truth be told we don't know the full story. We aren't there when the camera is off. I would hope that if V suspected Lily was behind she would seek out help but V is on the lazy side when it comes to parenting a lot of the time.

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This ^. Many members, myself included have said similar things, in a kind manner. It's always perceived as being a bully by the minions. It's sad no one can express concern or point anything out without being accused of being the scum of the earth.

I think the hard core fans need to take a step back and realize, this is not their hill to die on. But by all means feel free minions to continue playing the martyrs of this thread

[Freaksngeeks]

I think we can all agree though that her speech is horrible. I can never understand what comes out her mouth. She also just makes a lot of nonsense noise, screeches, etc. My 9 month old makes those noises.
I can understand why people may think she's delayed. They usually come hand in hand with speech issues.
But I think she's to young to tell. I'm just glad Vanessa is getting her speech therapy. Although I don't see much improvement, I'm sure it has improved.
And no, I'm not saying this cause I dislike Vanessa & want to blame her. I'm just being honest on how I feel.

[Yue195]

Uhhh, she has specialists, and sees a pediatrician... A doctor for kids... To see how she is developing... Probably a doctor for her Turners as well.... See how she's going with her hormone shots.

I think people just delibritly want something to be wrong with Lily just to bitch out Vanessa,

Thanks capitian obvious! Can I ask, do you have children? Do you have extensive experience with Pediatricians? Not everything is caught in the 10 mins your child spends with the doctor. Unless you bring it up, a lot can go Un Noticed.

I've said countless of times I do not have a living child. Yes I have a extensive experience with a paediatrician, I had bad kidneys, I developed delayed issues with my speech due to my kidneys, I was examined for being quiet and was given a clear because being a quiet kid doesn't always equal having autism, epilepsy, aspergers or whatever parents want to label kids these days because being a 'odd' child must mean something is wrong.

[gypsophila]

I feel like Lilys(and any childs) looks should be off limits. It just seems mean. If you comment on Lilys behavior because you are just trying to be an asshole to V I think thats terrible. But if there is genuine concern for Lily and you aren't rude about it I don't see any issue. With that said, I think that V says Lily is not delayed because she is trying to convince herself. I think Lily is adorable but I can't deny the fact that she seems to be behind and I definitely see the blank look you guys are talking about. I don't like V that much but I would never just say these things about Lily just to hurt her. I feel like some of us genuinely worry for Lily but I can only speak for myself. There is no shame in Lily being delayed(if she is). The problem would be if V knew she was behind(or suspected) but selfishly didn't try to work with her more or get more professional opinions on it simply because she wants to deny it. But, truth be told we don't know the full story. We aren't there when the camera is off. I would hope that if V suspected Lily was behind she would seek out help but V is on the lazy side when it comes to parenting a lot of the time.

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This ^. Many members, myself included have said similar things, in a kind manner. It's always perceived as being a bully by the minions. It's sad no one can express concern or point anything out without being accused of being the scum of the earth.

I think the hard core fans need to take a step back and realize, this is not their hill to die on. But by all means feel free minions to continue playing the martyrs of this thread

I agreed with a lot that you said Clutch. I think behaviour is fine to talk about. I've asked for examples of the behaviour people thought was weird or off, and haven't gotten an in depth response really. Blank looks happen when a kid is tired, bored, hungry (hypoglycemic), thinking, translating feelings to words or is just listening. I'm seeing a happy responsive kid. Yes shy and introverted. But easily fixable when she goes to preschool this summer.

Snow, when you start calling other people names (minions), it just diminishes anything you say after that. You just said the minions are bullying you. I'm not bullying you. I'm not bullying anyone. I am just asking for examples of behaviours and such, and no one has definitively answered those specific questions I asked.

[Fairplay]

I think it is very hard to say Vanessa can do more or isn't doing enough unless you are in a similar situation, I'm assuming most of us do not know what it is like to have a daughter with turners. Nor is everyone a speech therapist, behavior therapist, or special or early childhood education teacher.

I have a child that went through a tougher year of life than Lily. I can say that for a fact and I can also say that Vanessa is doing a horrible job in moulding Lily to her ill potential. She may have a birth defect but there is no underlying disabilities besides her appearance that should stop her from being held back. There are other children who suffered much worse complications and they succeed. I've seen it and know real life stories. And from watching Lily, i can say that something is off and judge in a way where I'm not insulting the kid. Its just true.

[Fairplay]

For those who say that Lily is getting treatment from a line of professionals; I do not doubt that she has a few but not as carefully looked at as what Vanessa says. She is not a high risk child. I'm not trying to one up anyone but I have real life experiences with my child. And i bring her up because both V and I are mothers with health compromised kids so I'm not trying to act like a minion or an asshole. I can call out a half assed parent when i see one.
Firstly, if a child has feeding issues, breathing issues, immune suppressed, or have a severe disability (trachea, retardation, severe birth defects) then a line of doctors would follow them closely once or twice a month. If the child is healthy but was health compromised then seeing their doctor once every 6 months is fine. So whoever said that Lily sees a doctor every week is mistaken. There is no need for a doctor to see a patient once a week or many times a month if they are not gtube fed, in a breathing device or has a really bad illness like cancer or a disability. Lily is in that healthy range that the parents should only be worrying about speech classes and interaction. Even with speech or OT/PT services, a family would be lucky to get a session once every two weeks. Those professionals would sit down with the parent and child, assess them and tell the parent what they need to practice on. Considering Lily has seen her therapist many times, it shows Vanessa's horrible parenting by the set backs Lily is having with her speech with the provided care that she is getting.
I do not buy this whole line of doctors crap that Vanessa says that watch Lily in a consistent basis. Once every 6 months is the usual for a clinical checkup. My daughter had more issues than Lily and she is doing great and is only being seen once every few months for a clinical check up and there are many things to monitor with her. I'm also in the health care field as well so no, I'm not shitting you guys with facts coming out of no where

[blueyellowpink]

I wonder why Vanessa doesn't get back in school? Or is she in school and not making updates?

[Cote1590]

I wonder why Vanessa doesn't get back in school? Or is she in school and not making updates?

She said recently in DITL video that she was going to take some online classes this summer. We'll see if it actually happens.

[shelbyxo26]

I am very curious, is Lily's speech therapy over? I'm assuming she gets Early Intervention. 99% of the time that is the service children get for speech therapy before three. Either Vanessa is having a private speech therapist over or she just dropped speech therapy all together because Early Intervention ends when they turn three.. and Lily doesn't seem to be participating in the next step which is special preschool.

I don't know for sure if Lily is still in speech, I would think she is because Lily was never in speech therapy for extra help or for a boost, she was in it because of her paralyzed vocal cord. I could totally be 100% wrong, but that's how I interpreted it. Also, from what I understand Lily couldn't start school last fall because she wasn't three yet, so now that she is three she can start this fall, again, I could totally be wrong about that too, its just how I interpreted that, as well. Although, Lily just now turning three doesn't make an excuse for Lily not to go to play groups or even day care ever once and awhile, I mean, I thought it was totally outrageous for B to take Aria to day care because B is a stay at home mom so I thought it would be completely pointless but I now, I see that its good for Aria to be socialized with other kids her age without being in the presence of their parents. I remember when I went to preschool I had no problem getting on the bus and being away form my parents for the day, I loved it! But I do remember this kid would yell, kick, and scream every single day when his mom got off the buss, it was ridiculous and I really think Lily will be that way, remember her tantrums when David would leave to go home when V still lived with her Mom?

[ohgoodness]

Dear Vanessa, please do something interesting so the topic here can change. Lawd!

[gypsophila]

Dear Vanessa, please do something interesting so the topic here can change. Lawd!

AGREED!!

Fairplay, you said your daughter had a rough year. What happened? Does she have a disability? How old is she? I hope she's doing well now.

[pitbulllove]

Besides the blank look and noises she makes, and (arguable) delayed speech. (I can understand her pretty well) What else do you guys see that makes her seem delayed? Genuinely curious.

[hannahbanana]

I'm guessing Vanessa got Lily's iPad fixed? Or got a new one.
I do agree that if Vanessa is going to have lily watch tv all day, at least put her on some educational shows, even shows that are on Disney Junior are nice.
Nitpicking right here but, wasn't Vanessa complaining about how much lily watches Frozen, yet she showed her the trailer for the Frozen Fever short (or Frozen Forever as Vanessa calls it) about 10 times?
I'm sure Lily would immediately start liking shows like Sophia the First or Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. Enough with constantly showing Pocahontas already! Lol

[ohgoodness]

Besides the blank look and noises she makes, and (arguable) delayed speech. (I can understand her pretty well) What else do you guys see that makes her seem delayed? Genuinely curious.

I don't see it and I wouldn't be able to call it because we don't see Lily enough to say so.

[rdt1004]

Besides the blank look and noises she makes, and (arguable) delayed speech. (I can understand her pretty well) What else do you guys see that makes her seem delayed? Genuinely curious.

I don't see it and I wouldn't be able to call it because we don't see Lily enough to say so.

Isn't Vanessa also trying to teach her Spanish alongside English? Sometimes children who are learning two languages at the same time are more delayed than ones just learning one language. That coupled with Lily just being an introverted child may be why she doesn't speak so much.


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[Freaksngeeks]

I don't think Lily is learning Spanish like Vanessa says she is. But I could be wrong, as I just see videos.
I've only heard Lily say CaCa. And that means poop. I mean come on, out of all words to teach her you teach her caca. Lol.
Just look at Lily in the "new frozen short" video. When she's on the couch. Sorry, but Lily isn't even understandable in English. I don't think she knows Spanish. Just my opinion.

[Emcee]

Lily isn't being taught Spanish as a second language, they are just teaching her words here and there. And teaching 2 languages does not cause speech delays, it's just a myth. My son is being raised bilingual and his speech is at the same level as other kids his age.