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Lovemehatemexo wrote:Nutrasteve- calm down, lol. Do your research. David has not always been there for Lily. He seems like a good dad now but there was a period he wasn't. And that's according to Vanessa is her vlogs back during that period.
Yes, Vanessa had said that in her vlogs back then but she always said she wouldn't allow David to watch Lily alone. She wouldn't even allow David to come over to her house and watch Lily while Vanessa did whatever, even if her Mom was at the house. Vanessa just wants people to feel sorry for her.
That's BS. As %50 stockholder (for lack of terminology) in Lily, he has just as much right for the child as Vanessa has. I've got a real issue with a statement like that. David should probably get Vanessa mentally evaluated... I mean have you seen those singing videos on Instagram? She's got the crazy eye, I'm telling you! And lord forbid he actually marries her. He's lucky to get away with child support at the most now... Just imagine how much alimony he'd have to pay to keep her up.
And before someone goes batshit crazy and brings up that "David was a lousy father", you don't know that. Get both sides of the story before you make those harsh accusations.
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But can you agree that *sometimes* people can remain in a relationship though they are unhappy?
Cheaters often still all of the things you mentioned. I am not saying I think David is a cheat, I'm just saying as there is easily no proof he is a cheat there is also no proof he isn't ...
Vanessa and David seem as happy and Jess and Chris. Or Charles and A3. Whether they are truly happy I don't know! And I'm okay with not knowing!
Sure you can remain in a relationship if your unhappy. The reality of these youtubers is we will never really know until, well we know. Or someone in the fam/friend lets it slip that things are not what they seem. We are free to make opinions and assumption on all of it though!
“The average dog is a nicer person than the average person."
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Lovemehatemexo wrote:Nutrasteve- calm down, lol. Do your research. David has not always been there for Lily. He seems like a good dad now but there was a period he wasn't. And that's according to Vanessa is her vlogs back during that period.
Yes, Vanessa had said that in her vlogs back then but she always said she wouldn't allow David to watch Lily alone. She wouldn't even allow David to come over to her house and watch Lily while Vanessa did whatever, even if her Mom was at the house. Vanessa just wants people to feel sorry for her.
That's BS. As %50 stockholder (for lack of terminology) in Lily, he has just as much right for the child as Vanessa has. I've got a real issue with a statement like that. David should probably get Vanessa mentally evaluated... I mean have you seen those singing videos on Instagram? She's got the crazy eye, I'm telling you! And lord forbid he actually marries her. He's lucky to get away with child support at the most now... Just imagine how much alimony he'd have to pay to keep her up.
And before someone goes batshit crazy and brings up that "David was a lousy father", you don't know that. Get both sides of the story before you make those harsh accusations.
The 50% shareholder decided to go to college and live in a dorm and play video games instead of actually doing schoolwork. That put him in major debt. Meanwhile, the other 50% shareholder had to foot all the bills by herself. She wanted to go to college but couldn't because her special needs child took precedence over her wants and desires. She had to stay home with their child and put her life on hold. She couldn't just be babysat because she had a feeding tube in until she was almost 2 and had problems eating after that. If you have inside info, by all means speak up.
I would like an IP check on this person. Ever since that weirdo incident, I don't trust anyone. It could be David for all we know.
“Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.”- Buddha
Blah blah blah... Again, no one knows the entire story. You only get one side on YouTube. I can't go on repeating myself. Inside info? That's exactly what I'm petitioning against. No one has all the inside info, not even you sweetheart.
Oh yeah, I'm David. IP check away. You caught me. You caught the tater.
Just because he "Went to College to play video games", doesn't mean that Vanessa can keep him from watching Lily by himself. What the hell is wrong with you?
I would like to get your close mindedness checked out.
Lovemehatemexo wrote:Nutrasteve- calm down, lol. Do your research. David has not always been there for Lily. He seems like a good dad now but there was a period he wasn't. And that's according to Vanessa is her vlogs back during that period.
Yes, Vanessa had said that in her vlogs back then but she always said she wouldn't allow David to watch Lily alone. She wouldn't even allow David to come over to her house and watch Lily while Vanessa did whatever, even if her Mom was at the house. Vanessa just wants people to feel sorry for her.
If this is incorrect, then I'll apologize. But it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Vanessa said that.
Lovemehatemexo wrote:Nutrasteve, Your pinned to the idea David was never in the wrong. Of course we don't know the full story, unless you do.
No, I don't know the full story. That's what I've been trying to preach. No one knows the full story. I'm not saying that David is perfect, I'm just trying to get people to open their mind and realize that Vanessa could be feeding everyone BS about what happened with her and David years ago at his expense.
Vanessa's dad and David's dad are really good friends. To my knowledge, Vanessa never kept Lily from David or his side of the family. She did go along with her, so that she could look after her needs at the time. It wasn't "years" ago. Lily just turned 3. I was 2 years ago. Which is all water under the bridge at this point, because David and Vanessa are engaged anyway and live together. He has never been kept from his daughter. He did however, choose when and if he saw her at times. Like spending the day at his parents home playing video games instead of visiting his daughter. I think they've matured since then though.
“Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.”- Buddha
I think David's parents had to push him to take care of Lily. He kinda seemed like he was doing nothing but living at home, playing video games. I don't think he would've changed unless someone said something. Like his parents. They seem decent.
I definitely think David's parents and Nona helped way more than Vanessa let on.
I don't think David was such a good dad, because truth is that going off to live in a dorm while you have a child at home is completely selfish and irresponsible, and that is something that can't be denied.
Now I'm not sure how much he was actually involved in Lily's life once he moved back home, because we were only getting one side of the story.
David has obviously matured, he has taken responsiblity for Lily and that's all that really matters now.
I agree, they are decent people. I think both sets of parents got too caught up in the they shouldn't live together thing, and that hindered David and Vanessa maturing faster. Well, it's just a thought. I think if they'd been "allowed" to live together sooner, they may have worked things out sooner. I could be wrong. I just think when you have to work something out together, you either sink or swim. Them living with their parents so long didn't help them mature as fast as they might have. Maybe?
“Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.”- Buddha
Omg Vanessa is lame.."it's time to start making the 100,000 subscriber video". Lol.
Didn't we just mention swim classes. Just saying.
And is she holding up the camera while driving with Lily in the back seat? Put the camera down Vanessa..do you really have to vlog while driving?
NutraSteve wrote:Blah blah blah... Again, no one knows the entire story. You only get one side on YouTube. I can't go on repeating myself. Inside info? That's exactly what I'm petitioning against. No one has all the inside info, not even you sweetheart.
Oh yeah, I'm David. IP check away. You caught me. You caught the tater.
YOU GUYS! WE ARE RAISING LILY! Not literally, of course, but holy mother effing shit! Swim lessons?!? Quite the original idea, V! WINK WINK. Vanessa has NO shame in her game. It is truly unbelievable to me how EVERY SINGLE TIME something is mentioned here, it pops up in her next video! I know we've all said it before, but this time it really just slapped me in the face and I can't get over how weird it is! In a way! I feel like we are actually doing GOOD! Because of this site, Vanessa got more serious about doctors and therapists, lily started an activity, lily learned how to eat on her own, she might start swim lessons, she has less iPad time, she has less frozen time, she's being encouraged to interact with other kids, Vanessa actually played with her on the floor one time, etc. I'd like to know if any of you can remember anything else she's done because of what was written on here. I SWEAR, VANESSA IS A VOODOO DOLL! Except instead of stabbing the doll/causing the doll physical pain, we get the doll to be a better mom! It's unreal! It surprises me every single time because if I were Vanessa, I wouldn't want it to be obvious that I was reading ytmd and taking notes. But NOPE! She doesn't seem to care (which is fine by me). It's good and bad. It's good because Vanessa is doing more things that she should be doing, but on the other hand, IT'S ALL FOR SHOW! Yes, right after it was mentioned here, Vanessa posted a video of her playing pretend games with lily on the floor, but I bet $100 she did it the one time to get footage and hasn't done it since. I believe that Vanessa needs ACTUAL professional help. I'm not saying that in a negative way, or to be mean, or to say she is horribly insane (we all have our issues, right?). However, I truly believe she has a pretty severe self-esteem issue. She is so incredibly fake all of the time. She does this weird fake laugh alllll the time which I wish you guys knew what I was talking about. She's uncomfortable being who she really is and devotes every waking moment to trying to be someone else. The worst part about it is that lily will never be witness to a normal mother. Can you imagine if your own mother was trying to appear perfect all of the time? Can you imagine what that would do to a child? She's just not real. A lot of the reason I like watching Vanessa is for that exact reason. I find it entertaining. But it's really going to fuck lily up.
I dunno. She has her faults, but part of me thinks 'good for her for reading and getting ideas' from this website. The reason we (on this board) suggest things like swim lessons, gymnastics, one-on-one play time, etc., is because we think it would be good for Lilly. Obviously V thinks so too and is taking our "advice". Either she really doesn't think of things on her own, or she doesn't act on things until people judge her or call her out. I would rather know she's reading here than other moms (B for example) pretending not too. Half the moms on here could take advice from their board.
I'm pretty sure I said that. I said we're doing good and because of this site, Lily has had a few more opportunities. Don't get me wrong, I'm actually happy that Vanessa takes our advice. I think it's kind of cool and if you think about it, we're not always trying to tear her apart. I know that I and many others have made tons of suggestions. If we can give her a few ideas here and there, that's great. However, I still unfortunately think that a big chunk of it is just for show. I'd LIKE to believe that she carries on these activities when the camera is off (for example, playing dolls with Lily), but I am doubtful. I made a suggestion a little while back that she take advantage of all of the children's activities that they offer at the library (it's usually free or nearly free) and I'd like to see her explore those opportunities. And swimming? I think that's great! I was a competitive swimmer my whole life, even throughout college, and swimming was always my absolute favorite thing to do as a child. I always feel bad for people who can't swim because spending long hot days at the local pool is just about the most fun thing a kid can do IMO. I just want to see Lily grow and flourish. I think she's darling and I like to see Vanessa exploring new activities for her. It's too bad that she's not super talkative yet but I think with the right therapy and with Vanessa working with her, hopefully she will improve because I feel like maybe that's one of the reasons she gets treated like a baby. I know she has legitimate vocal cord problems so who knows. Does anyone know how old Jessica's twins are? Will they be three soon? I'm not sure but they don't seem super vocal either. I don't really know. All I have to compare her to is aria and she's super talkative but I don't know what's considered normal. I'm sure Lily is probably within a normal range and I'm sure she'll improve.
