DailyLiars&Spenders -Part 33

Unread post by **AutumnLane** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:49 am

I've never read that before thanks for posting the screenshot. We are all entitled to our own opinions and i'm pretty sure Bryan has some not so nice things about his upbringing when it came to his mom. Watch the draw my life video he doesn't paint her picture very well. And that screenshot is contradicting to things Missy and Bryan have mentioned in the past. So now I'm more confused than ever. From what I have gathered over the years Suzanne has been more of a mother to Bryan than his own but overall his grandma is the person who loved him unconditionally and raised him. His sister seems to be a sweetheart that's why I don't understand why they can't visit.

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Unread post by **nmkstj** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:51 am

Here is what I mean, (I hope I linked the image correctly...) as you can see in the background Ollie has plenty of books at arms reach.

Like I said, that argument is sort of unfair and I see them getting a lot of grief, not just here, but on other sites as well for things that are kind of not really real issues.

When people turn every thing B&M do into a reason that they're bad people, all it does is makes you guys look less credible. They absolutely DO have a lot of real problems (the ranch scam, their attitudes, their spending habits, teaching Ollie incorrect things, not correcting bad behaviour) that we could discuss but when everyone jumps on them for having too-high bookshelves and 3 automated books on a projector and buying a certain room theme it just makes you guys look like "haters" and not like you're actually bringing up reasonable and sound reasons why they aren't good people to watch. And Missy and Brian can just say, "really, look! they are just haters! They called me a lazy bitch, they're calling us fat. They're trolls... of course they'll make up lies about us! etc". I hope I've explained that coherently I'm not great with words sometimes.

Unread post by **westwuff** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:52 am

I agree about making assumptions that "they don't ever do x". I wasn't able to make my point clear when I brought this up a while back regarding discipline. We can see they are inconsistent, but to say they never discipline Ollie is something we cannot possibly know..

Unread post by **HelloSweetie** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:04 am

nmkstj wrote:

Here is what I mean, (I hope I linked the image correctly...) as you can see in the background Ollie has plenty of books at arms reach. Like I said, that argument is sort of unfair and I see them getting a lot of grief, not just here, but on other sites as well for things that are kind of not really real issues.

When people turn every thing B&M do into a reason that they're bad people, all it does is makes you guys look less credible. They absolutely DO have a lot of real problems (the ranch scam, their attitudes, their spending habits, teaching Ollie incorrect things, not correcting bad behaviour) that we could discuss but when everyone jumps on them for having too-high bookshelves and 3 automated books on a projector and buying a certain room theme it just makes you guys look like "haters" and not like you're actually bringing up reasonable and sound reasons why they aren't good people to watch. And Missy and Brian can just say, "really, look! they are just haters! They called me a lazy bitch, they're calling us fat. They're trolls... of course they'll make up lies about us! etc". I hope I've explained that coherently I'm not great with words sometimes.

Ok, and I'm sure if he wants a book read he can just grab it, run over and they read it to him. That's why we've NEVER seen a vlog or IG pic (wait for it, it will happen tomorrow) of them reading to him anywhere but a bedroom. If they aren't reading those books to him they are just toys.

How many movies have we seen Ollie watch? In the living room, at a restaurant, on the plane, in the car. Ok, now compare that to how many educational activities we've seen.... I'll even let you include anything educational in front of the TV. I'll wait.

Oh, and I'll remind you that a viewer once sent Ollie a colouring book, and Missy laughed and said he was obviously too young for it. We've only seen him colour in a restaurant

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Unread post by **HelloSweetie** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:10 am

AutumnLane wrote:I've never read that before thanks for posting the screenshot. We are all entitled to our own opinions and i'm pretty sure Bryan has some not so nice things about his upbringing when it came to his mom. Watch the draw my life video he doesn't paint her picture very well. And that screenshot is contradicting to things Missy and Bryan have mentioned in the past. So now I'm more confused than ever. From what I have gathered over the years Suzanne has been more of a mother to Bryan than his own but overall his grandma is the person who loved him unconditionally and raised him. His sister seems to be a sweetheart that's why I don't understand why they can't visit.

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Bryan said that about the one instance with his stepfather. I also think he looked like a punk in high school, and probably had quite the attitude (just like he does now!). Who isn't going to love the mother of your GF when you're a teen and they let you move in together and have premarital sex? I don't think he's said Mimi is like a mother though, but he does say Papa is like his father... That said, I think Bryan isn't allowed to say many nice things about his mom because it makes Missy pissy, otherwise why not at least talk more about Bev? He clearly speaks highly of her. They all appeared super close at his first concert?

We'll just agree to disagree. I have friends that are FB friends with B's family, and from what I've seen there and in vlogs, they are kind and good hearted people.

I mean, if Jared is Bryan's best-friend, and Bryan has such a bad relationship with his mom, then why would Jared invite them over for B's birthday? It just doesn't make any sense.

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Unread post by **AutumnLane** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:17 am

So true about them never doing anything educational with him. No coloring no fingerpainting no crafts at all ever. They also should be working on color and shape sorting at this point as well. Great point.

Unread post by **rdt1004** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:23 am

HelloSweetie1 wrote:
AutumnLane wrote:I've never read that before thanks for posting the screenshot. We are all entitled to our own opinions and i'm pretty sure Bryan has some not so nice things about his upbringing when it came to his mom. Watch the draw my life video he doesn't paint her picture very well. And that screenshot is contradicting to things Missy and Bryan have mentioned in the past. So now I'm more confused than ever. From what I have gathered over the years Suzanne has been more of a mother to Bryan than his own but overall his grandma is the person who loved him unconditionally and raised him. His sister seems to be a sweetheart that's why I don't understand why they can't visit.

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Bryan said that about the one instance with his stepfather. I also think he looked like a punk in high school, and probably had quite the attitude (just like he does now!). Who isn't going to love the mother of your GF when you're a teen and they let you move in together and have premarital sex? I don't think he's said Mimi is like a mother though, but he does say Papa is like his father... That said, I think Bryan isn't allowed to say many nice things about his mom because it makes Missy pissy, otherwise why not at least talk more about Bev? He clearly speaks highly of her. They all appeared super close at his first concert?

We'll just agree to disagree. I have friends that are FB friends with B's family, and from what I've seen there and in vlogs, they are kind and good hearted people.

I mean, if Jared is Bryan's best-friend, and Bryan has such a bad relationship with his mom, then why would Jared invite them over for B's birthday? It just doesn't make any sense.

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Yeah, I don't think Bryan has a bad relationship with his mom. Obviously, it's really shitty to pick your boyfriend over your child and nothing excuses that, but from what Bryan said in the Draw My Life video it seems like his mom tried her best to raise him and his sister. I think he has a good relationship with both his mom and his sister, but the holier than thou Hollisters decided that they were bad people and tell Bryan to stay away. Which you could argue Bryan is a grown man who can make his own decisions, but if this brainwashing has been going on since he was a young teen I'm sure it's harder for him to make up his own mind.

Unread post by **nmkstj** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:29 am

I totally agree! We can use this medium and forum to encourage that. Even if they're only doing it because they're trying to prove us wrong, isn't that better than not doing any educational activities at all? For Oliver's sake? I found some instagram posts with Oliver on walks, doing creative things and being read to. I'll post it for the sake of it but I don't know what point I'm really proving there because we all know we don't see much educational activity with Oliver. Mimi was counting with him the other day I'd love to see more of that. The boy loves to sing, get him on those ABC's...

Unread post by **AutumnLane** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:34 am

It could be that they just dislike his family so much that yes he feels he's not able to have the relationship he wants. I always kind of had the impression he was embarrassed of them. I also noticed that all the sentimental belongings of Bryan's grandmother have vanished. He used to have a few things up and around the house that reminded him of her I thought it was sweet. The huge elephant head and cute ETC plaque thing. I don't think his mother is a terrible person and I absolutely don't think she deserves to be treated the way she has been. I've just always had the impression she wasn't exactly mother of the year. Back when Bryan was still talking about reuniting with his father he had mentioned how the story his mother given him seemed to not be true after meeting his father and speaking to his aunt. After that being mentioned I don't think he's ever brought up the subject really in detail again. He also mentioned his mother wasn't exactly supportive of him looking for his father.

Unread post by **HelloSweetie** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:42 am

nmkstj wrote:I totally agree! We can use this medium and forum to encourage that. Even if they're only doing it because they're trying to prove us wrong, isn't that better than not doing any educational activities at all? For Oliver's sake? I found some instagram posts with Oliver on walks, doing creative things and being read to. I'll post it for the sake of it but I don't know what point I'm really proving there because we all know we don't see much educational activity with Oliver. Mimi was counting with him the other day I'd love to see more of that. The boy loves to sing, get him on those ABC's...

Yes? So they are very good parents when they are out with it "looks good". proving us wrong, out with others (Mimi, Ellie, Corbin), in public travelling (airport pic) or creating ads like for the clothes above, or for themselves (like the poster).

That's exactly the point we've been making. Two stay at home parents and we only see Ollie provided with intellectual stimulation occasionally. How sad for him. He'll remember the 98% he was ignored and not the 2% that they were phoning it in. Kids aren't stupid.

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Unread post by **thenightowl** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:45 am

nmkstj wrote:Thank you for the replies! I agree - personality wise I really dislike hearing Bryan and Missy. Particularly Missy is very hard to listen to as she complains a lot. I don't think they're bad parents by any definition of that term. I don't think they're negligent. I think they are frivolous spenders and ungrateful people with a very laid back lifestyle that very much love their children and care for them better than most parents in the world do.

My previous post was just a lot of nit-picky stuff. I'm all for "calling out" B&M's BS, but I don't think it's fair to:
a) criticize their physical appearance or what they cannot change (we all have stuff about our appearance we are self conscious about, and would hate to have people point out).
b) threaten, or say anything that involves physical harm to B&M, their children, or their families.
c) finding things to criticize for the sake of criticizing.

As for the 12 minutes a day vlog argument, to clarify, I simply meant that it's fallacious to say "Missy never (insert activity with Oliver or activity in general)", because truly we only see 2% of each day and that's not that much. Maybe she does and maybe she doesn't. I didn't mean to imply that off camera Missy is the worlds most active and involved supermom.

Also, Oliver has plenty of books downstairs in the white shelves. I will try and find a vlog that shows all of them and post a screenshot! The books upstaires are his favorites to read at bedtime.

I'm really just trying to play devils advocate. I don't appreciate being called a minion or being told that I was trying to make you "drink the koolaid". I watched from the beginning and their attitudes are annoying me, but I still feel like some of what is said here is unfair. Just wanting to have some discussion, is that not what this is for?

Here is my take.. A) I have criticized them on their weight only because they DO have a choice and choose to not eat healthy or exercise, they have all the time in the world to exercise (not to mention they live in Sunny Southern California where the temp is perfect) they also have enough money to buy healthy food (and time to research recipes) but they still CHOOSE to eat unhealthy.
B) I must have missed the posts threatening or wishing harm on Ollie or Finley... I do remember when Missy was in the hospital the other day, pretty much everyone on here was wishing he would be born healthy.

Unread post by **MKitty** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:50 am

Something bad may have happened after Bryan met his father. They probably just never said anything about it in the vlogs because it was personal or the father didn't want to be broadcasted any more. If his mother wasn't exactly keen on the idea of Bryan finding his father it may have been for something like the fact that she knew something bad was going to happen. I know people can change. But maybe she felt that Bryan's dad probably didn't change over time and he wasn't worth the time to get to know. Just a guess, but Bryan could have ended up getting hurt (emotionally) in the end of it all. But I'm just making guesses.

Unread post by **HelloSweetie** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:52 am

thenightowl wrote:
nmkstj wrote:Thank you for the replies! I agree - personality wise I really dislike hearing Bryan and Missy. Particularly Missy is very hard to listen to as she complains a lot. I don't think they're bad parents by any definition of that term. I don't think they're negligent. I think they are frivolous spenders and ungrateful people with a very laid back lifestyle that very much love their children and care for them better than most parents in the world do.

My previous post was just a lot of nit-picky stuff. I'm all for "calling out" B&M's BS, but I don't think it's fair to:
a) criticize their physical appearance or what they cannot change (we all have stuff about our appearance we are self conscious about, and would hate to have people point out).
b) threaten, or say anything that involves physical harm to B&M, their children, or their families.
c) finding things to criticize for the sake of criticizing.

As for the 12 minutes a day vlog argument, to clarify, I simply meant that it's fallacious to say "Missy never (insert activity with Oliver or activity in general)", because truly we only see 2% of each day and that's not that much. Maybe she does and maybe she doesn't. I didn't mean to imply that off camera Missy is the worlds most active and involved supermom.

Also, Oliver has plenty of books downstairs in the white shelves. I will try and find a vlog that shows all of them and post a screenshot! The books upstaires are his favorites to read at bedtime.

I'm really just trying to play devils advocate. I don't appreciate being called a minion or being told that I was trying to make you "drink the koolaid". I watched from the beginning and their attitudes are annoying me, but I still feel like some of what is said here is unfair. Just wanting to have some discussion, is that not what this is for?
Here is my take.. A) I have criticized them on their weight only because they DO have a choice and choose to not eat healthy or exercise, they have all the time in the world to exercise (not to mention they live in Sunny Southern California where the temp is perfect) they also have enough money to buy healthy food (and time to research recipes) but they still CHOOSE to eat unhealthy.
B) I must have missed the posts threatening or wishing harm on Ollie or Finley... I do remember when Missy was in the hospital the other day, pretty much everyone on here was wishing he would be born healthy.

No one threatened them, you didn't miss it.

People have said they wish for Finley to be a healthy 10 pound full-term baby.

Unlike Missy herself, who keeps saying she thinks he'll come earlier than that.

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Unread post by **nmkstj** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:57 am

I was told that I wouldn't find any educational activity on the instagram. So I went and found some. Also, again, you can't say he was ignored 98% of the time it's a fallacious argument. We don't know what's happening when the cameras are off. It is sad that we don't see more stimulating or creative activities. I know that. And like I said, I don't believe the argument that he's unloved or that he will ever feel like he was neglected growing up. My parents worked full time and I was always with a babysitter. I was never read to, I was never played with, I never spent any quality time with my parents until I was 17. Ollie is so lucky to have parents that are present so I'm annoyed when people say he is ignored when the camera is off. Like, what? How could you possibly know that?

Also, there have been posts saying that they wish Finley is 10lbs and that Missy has a very hard delivery. I saw a post in an earlier thread (the poster later retracted some of the comments) saying that child services should be called. I wasn't implying you all do those things, but to those that do, I wanted to make it clear that those comments are unfair.

Unread post by **Playsinrain** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:09 am

AutumnLane wrote:So true about them never doing anything educational with him. No coloring no fingerpainting no crafts at all ever. They also should be working on color and shape sorting at this point as well. Great point.

This makes me so sad really... At two he should be finger painting and playing with play doh.. Learning how to use scissors, paste and crayons. they do nothing to help develop his fine motor skills, PERIOD... and I bet he doesn't know one single letter, number, color or shape. At two both my kids could sing the alphabet (of course it wasn't 100% correct but it was a start at least) and identify most shapes and colors AND could count to 10... these arethings they better start working on FAST or he will be delayed big time in preschool.

Unread post by **HelloSweetie** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:13 am

Playsinrain wrote:
AutumnLane wrote:So true about them never doing anything educational with him. No coloring no fingerpainting no crafts at all ever. They also should be working on color and shape sorting at this point as well. Great point.
This makes me so sad really... At two he should be finger painting and playing with play doh.. Learning how to use scissors, paste and crayons. they do nothing to help develop his fine motor skills, PERIOD... and I bet he doesn't know one single letter, number, color or shape. At two both my kids could sing the alphabet (of course it wasn't 100% correct but it was a start at least) and identify most shapes and colors AND could count to 10... these arethings they better start working on FAST or he will be delayed big time in preschool.

Oh that won't be a problem. Missy plans to homeschool.

(Source: Bryan's airplane Q&A on Twitter)

As long as she does that no one will notice he's delayed

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Unread post by **AutumnLane** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:14 am

The only time I've ever seen anybody wishing harm was when Bryan, Missy and Oliver were at a park and Bryan thought he saw people smoking weed and he ignorantly said something. A poster here commented she wished he would've got his ass beat in front of Missy and Oliver. That's around the time I stopped reading this thread on a regular basis.
Comments like that are completely uncalled for. The mods are normally on that kind of stuff and take care of it if you ever see something you find to be questionable just private message one of them.

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Unread post by **MKitty** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:16 am

nmkstj wrote:I was told that I wouldn't find any educational activity on the instagram. So I went and found some. Also, again, you can't say he was ignored 98% of the time it's a fallacious argument. We don't know what's happening when the cameras are off. It is sad that we don't see more stimulating or creative activities. I know that. And like I said, I don't believe the argument that he's unloved or that he will ever feel like he was neglected growing up. My parents worked full time and I was always with a babysitter. I was never read to, I was never played with, I never spent any quality time with my parents until I was 17. Ollie is so lucky to have parents that are present so I'm annoyed when people say he is ignored when the camera is off. Like, what? How could you possibly know that?

Also, there have been posts saying that they wish Finley is 10lbs and that Missy has a very hard delivery. I saw a post in an earlier thread (the poster later retracted some of the comments) saying that child services should be called. I wasn't implying you all do those things, but to those that do, I wanted to make it clear that those comments are unfair.

Considering we don't really see that he's often involved in things it can be a cause for concern. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it's right to unfairly judge them when we don't always know what they do with him when the camera is off. Even though, like one person said, they've been vlogging for a while now and some people have watched a lot of their vlogs. After seeing them from day to day everyday, it's easy to assume what goes on when the camera is off. As the middle child of the family I see it as a great concern if he's not getting the attention he deserves. I know what it's like to grow up in that to a certain extent. (And I guess so do you from what you said) I guess when I see or hear about a child being neglected by his (or her) parents it's a huge concern for me because I don't want the child to grow up the way I had to. I got attention yea, but it was rare because my parents were always focusing on my brothers. I was the forgotten middle. I guess I just don't want Ollie or Finn to have to grow up in a lifestyle where their parents don't care and they're both the forgotten children because their parents don't seem to care.

Unread post by **nmkstj** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:18 am

Missy..is planning to homeschool? I've been watching the vlogs for several years and I did not know that. Excuse me while I take a good long break to laugh.

Anyone know a video where she talks about that? I'd love to hear her rationale.

I will go back and report the comments, thank you!

Unread post by **Playsinrain** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:20 am

nmkstj wrote:I totally agree! We can use this medium and forum to encourage that. Even if they're only doing it because they're trying to prove us wrong, isn't that better than not doing any educational activities at all? For Oliver's sake? I found some instagram posts with Oliver on walks, doing creative things and being read to. I'll post it for the sake of it but I don't know what point I'm really proving there because we all know we don't see much educational activity with Oliver. Mimi was counting with him the other day I'd love to see more of that. The boy loves to sing, get him on those ABC's...

The act that most of those are from 14-20 weeks ago should say something. And at least 3 of them were from Seattle, two from the same bookstore(which im convinced they only went too bc its a tourist attraction, pretty sure he said something to the effect of that in the vlog) and one from a playpace in the airport... im not saying that to troll you for posting, but its just sad as hell that this was the best you could find to back up your point... that has nothing to do with you and everything to do with these people... And theres nothing creative going on in those pics... Im sorry, if anything it just proves the point that they hardly EVER do these things with him..