Steps to Wander: Natural Disaster

[Playsinrain]

I was pleasantly surprised by the talk" at the end of the vlog today, i was expecting some sanctimonious spiel but it came across as genuine and honest to me. Probably the most relatable talk they have had in some time. I didn't see it as them saying they were the only ones on the planet that thinks a newborn is tough, i feel like they had a hard day, which is totally normal, and wanted to talk about it. It kinda made me feel a little pang of what i wish they really were. I had hopes for these guys and so far they have shattered that crap, but this seemed down to earth and real talk to me. Now if they would just listen to well meaning advice and not brush it off as hate we would be doing a lot better.

[ewokfan11]

So Corbin has male postpartum depression because he can't breastfeed? He knew that would be the case before June was born, right??!!

FFS, these two do nothing BUT complain about everything. They aren't being "authentic," they are being whiny, immature jerks. Corbin, if you need to feel productive maybe go back to work???

Kelsey never leaves the house without Corbin and June, so he only has to look after June just when Kelsey showers...how freaking hard can that be?? Kelsey said it was afternoon when she started the vlog, but Corbin was still fast asleep in bed, then he went to the gym probably to "de-stress."

I'm guessing he's stressed about something OTHER than the baby - probably $$$ because this is about the time the first hospital bills would be rolling in from the birth. Even with insurance, giving birth is usually about $10,000 in the U.S.

[HashtagBlessed]

Only special snowflake Corbin would whine and mope about not being able to breastfeed. What did he expect exactly? And now he's claiming he has post parting depression? Just because he's frustrated or having a bad day doesn't mean he's clinically depressed. Being a new parents is stressful. I'm sure being a know-it-all and being unprepared makes it more stressful. So he has to try to comfort a crying baby for the 10 minutes Kelsey needs to shower and get ready. This isn't exactly ground breaking.

And I think Kelsey seems very dependent in her marriage. Corbin takes charge of everything, so the fact that something like breastfeeding is Kelsey's sole responsibility seems to be earth shattering for them.

Kelsey needs to speak to someone other than this naturopathic doctor. If breastfeeding is that painful, she's probably not latching properly due to the tongue tie. The thrush is another red flag. They need to speak to a real lactation specialist, which I thought they did? This person would have been able to tell them her latch is too shallow and causing pain. I have a feeling they're in denial and don't want to listen to anyone who suggests any sort of intervention to correct the tongue tie, so they're just going to try to push through it and breastfeed without address the tongue problem.

[tintin15]

I don't mind at all if someone has a bad day and needs to rant in whatever way. It happens to all of us.

I just feel like there haven't BEEN good days, you know? It feels like they have to complain about something in every vlog and it finally just built up so they had to have a huge vent.

[webbygurl626]

Yes thrush could be causing the painful latch that was my first sign when I had it my kids didn't need to be treated but I did I bet she has thrush she needs nystatin cream!


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[ewokfan11]

I'm glad someone in the comments suggested a REAL doctor they should go see about the tongue-tie/breastfeeding issues. Dr. Ghaheri is actually really well-known in Portland (and a cool doctor), so I hope they take the suggestion.

[Playsinrain]

Only special snowflake Corbin would whine and mope about not being able to breastfeed. What did he expect exactly? And now he's claiming he has post parting depression? Just because he's frustrated or having a bad day doesn't mean he's clinically depressed. Being a new parents is stressful. I'm sure being a know-it-all and being unprepared makes it more stressful. So he has to try to comfort a crying baby for the 10 minutes Kelsey needs to shower and get ready. This isn't exactly ground breaking.

And I think Kelsey seems very dependent in her marriage. Corbin takes charge of everything, so the fact that something like breastfeeding is Kelsey's sole responsibility seems to be earth shattering for them.

Kelsey needs to speak to someone other than this naturopathic doctor. If breastfeeding is that painful, she's probably not latching properly due to the tongue tie. The thrush is another red flag. They need to speak to a real lactation specialist, which I thought they did? This person would have been able to tell them her latch is too shallow and causing pain. I have a feeling they're in denial and don't want to listen to anyone who suggests any sort of intervention to correct the tongue tie, so they're just going to try to push through it and breastfeed without address the tongue problem.

the holier than thou naturopathic dr told them not to listen to ANYONE but her, i think they are taking that way to seriously and i doubt she will be seeing a lactation consultant anytime soon, which is a huge bummer.

[Snow White]

I think that they should consider using a bottle occasionally. Kelsey would get a break & Corbin would get the opportunity to bond with his daughter. There are many bottles on the market now that are used by breast-feeding mothers to limit or help avoid nipple confusion .. she could easily pump and they could still use breastmilk. Honeslty, I think that might be best for everyone & everyone would be a lot happier based on today's talk/vlog.

[crew96]

If it's 10k - they have the worst insurance on the planet. I would estimate more like 3k would be out of pocket max. Usually as a family 6k is out of pocket max.


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[lmmomSD]

Only special snowflake Corbin would whine and mope about not being able to breastfeed. What did he expect exactly? And now he's claiming he has post parting depression? Just because he's frustrated or having a bad day doesn't mean he's clinically depressed. Being a new parents is stressful. I'm sure being a know-it-all and being unprepared makes it more stressful. So he has to try to comfort a crying baby for the 10 minutes Kelsey needs to shower and get ready. This isn't exactly ground breaking.

And I think Kelsey seems very dependent in her marriage. Corbin takes charge of everything, so the fact that something like breastfeeding is Kelsey's sole responsibility seems to be earth shattering for them.

Kelsey needs to speak to someone other than this naturopathic doctor. If breastfeeding is that painful, she's probably not latching properly due to the tongue tie. The thrush is another red flag. They need to speak to a real lactation specialist, which I thought they did? This person would have been able to tell them her latch is too shallow and causing pain. I have a feeling they're in denial and don't want to listen to anyone who suggests any sort of intervention to correct the tongue tie, so they're just going to try to push through it and breastfeed without address the tongue problem.

the holier than thou naturopathic dr told them not to listen to ANYONE but her, i think they are taking that way to seriously and i doubt she will be seeing a lactation consultant anytime soon, which is a huge bummer.

I would side eye _any_ medical professional that said not to listen to _anyone_ else. Nobody is infallible. Second opinions are very important in the medical field, and no doctor should be insulted or angry if their patient wants to obtain one. That is a HUGE red flag to me.

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[Edenberry]

Bahahah! I know she was trying to type "maternity leave", but her autocorrect was sooo much more accurate XD

[Theirmom]

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that male postpartum depression is a thing. As someone who had ppd and ppocd which ultimately triggered a full on bipolar episode, it's insulting that he thinks the normal stress and adjustment that comes with a newborn is even remotely comparable to the physical/mental condition that results from the chemical and hormonal imbalances that cause postpartum depression.

It's stressful. It's hard. It's exhausting. It's NOT a chemically induced altered state of mind. Piss off with that utter nonsense.


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[Edenberry]

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that male postpartum depression is a thing. As someone who had ppd and ppocd which ultimately triggered a full on bipolar episode, it's insulting that he thinks the normal stress and adjustment that comes with a newborn is even remotely comparable to the physical/mental condition that results from the chemical and hormonal imbalances that cause postpartum depression.

It's stressful. It's hard. It's exhausting. It's NOT a chemically induced altered state of mind. Piss off with that utter nonsense.

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AMEN *fist bump* I had a full mental breakdown with #2. Rage, screaming into my pillows, sobbing on the floor of the shower, harmful thoughts towards myself, my children...it's horrendous and you are 100% correct in that men do NOT experience the hormonal and chemical shifts from pregnancy to postpartum that can seriously affect some women. It completely changes personalities sometimes. I thought I was just a horrible mother and wanted to die at one point. Thank GOD for a great OBGYN who stayed on me like white on rice until I was on a medication that worked and got into therapy. It's scary!!

[lmmomSD]

I have a wonderful friend who is a fantastic mother who had horrible PPD. And her husband left her halfway through her second pregnancy. She was having thoughts of harming herself and her daughter. But she told us, and her doctor, and we banded together and stayed with her and got her through it. I refuse to believe that Corbin, as tired and stressed as he may be, is having anywhere near the horror that my friend (and you ladies) went through.

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[westwuff]

To quote Immomsd: "I would side eye _any_ medical professional that said not to listen to _anyone_ else. Nobody is infallible. Second opinions are very important in the medical field, and no doctor should be insulted or angry if their patient wants to obtain one. That is a HUGE red flag to me."

^^I agree with this 100%

I know that I was in denial with my first regarding all the issues we had with breastfeeding and sleeping and so on. But i lived in a foreign country with no support (no lactation consultants or la leeche leagues not even helpful or readily available doctors..I'm talking appointments minimum 4 weeks out). If I had professionals available, you bet I would have been at appointments daily until I had it figured out.
Corbin needs to be less self absorbed and more helpful. Baby blues are a real thing but he should be encouraging Kelsey to seek help if her latch is "so painful" because it shouldn't be. Instead of moping around and insisting on being "so authentic," help your spouse with research and laundry, booking appointments and sorting out support groups.
I wouldn't mind if they sat down and talked about how they were feeling, but it comes across as both complaining and disingenuous at the same time. "I have paternal postpartum depression because one day was hard" (wat) out of one corner of their mouth and "well we try to put a postive spin on things and not vlog the difficult times" out of the other corner.
Their talk should make me feel more connected to them, but instead I just feel like they are naive, whiney, lazy idiots. Probably because their rigid thinking is making their life difficult and it's not out of their control. Go back to the lactation consultant, get a real doctor, return/sell the baby stuff you don't use that's cluttering up you apartment and be proactive if shit is hard. You can talk about that it is hard (because it is) but you're parents now, so act like adults and put your child first!

[melonyogloo]

I just finished reading Trending Family's blog about how they only promote products they believe and how authentic they are and willing to show the ups and downs in their vlogs. Today's vlog happens to show the downs while yesterday's showed the ups. Maybe it is not a coincident.

They just want the viewers to once-again believe they show the realities and are authentic. I believe Dockatot, by the number of times they mentioned how it saved their lives, is actually a sponsored product with Trending Family's connection. Their struggles may be real but today's video is just another effort to marketing themselves to sponsors. Remember how they complaint about the buses/Lyft and then ReachNow magically appeared?

[ellawski]

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that male postpartum depression is a thing. As someone who had ppd and ppocd which ultimately triggered a full on bipolar episode, it's insulting that he thinks the normal stress and adjustment that comes with a newborn is even remotely comparable to the physical/mental condition that results from the chemical and hormonal imbalances that cause postpartum depression.

It's stressful. It's hard. It's exhausting. It's NOT a chemically induced altered state of mind. Piss off with that utter nonsense.


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THANK YOU! That's exactly what I think


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[tintin15]

It pisses me off so much that Corbin thinks he has postpartum depression. Is he dumb as a rock? Everyone gets stressed when they have a newborn. You have a tiny creature who's super needy and disrupts EVERYTHING. Most people spend less time whining in daily vlogs and more time being happy when they have a healthy pregnancy, a healthy baby, and no postpartum depression.

Does he not know that it's a hormone thing and only mothers can get it??? That must be why he thinks he has it. He's not thoroughly educated, despite that college education.

It's not even regular depression. Being frustrated for a couple days because you can't breastfeed your baby is not depression of any kind...the reason they're not that into their kid, I think, is because they didn't want one right now. They wanted their van trip. No one is happy when they want one thing and get another.

It's pretty insensitive of them to throw it around like that

[fossilfinger]

Corbin needs to be less self absorbed and more helpful. Baby blues are a real thing but he should be encouraging Kelsey to seek help if her latch is "so painful" because it shouldn't be. Instead of moping around and insisting on being "so authentic," help your spouse with research and laundry, booking appointments and sorting out support groups.

Honestly, if that rant had been JUST Kelsey it would have been completely understandable and relatable, but Corbin had to make it all about him. Yes, fathers also lose sleep when their babies are born, they lose valuable time with their partners alone, they experience stress and pick up on their partner's feelings. But paternal postpartum depression is where I draw the line. It's like he tries to one-up everyone by saying he has it just as bad or worse than Kelsey. Then they pretend as if nobody ever talks about hard times with a newborn and that they're giving away some huge secret that no one knows, but many new parents share similar feelings.

They suffer from wanting to be unique and capitalizing on the woes of being crunchy attachment parents.

[tintin15]

Corbin is obsessed with himself. I wouldn't be able to stand being with him...I can't say he's some controlling, awful person, but from what I can see..he's at least a bit of a douche. Seriously.