Just bc the incident today was blown out of proportion doesn't mean that he's not violent. I can name off many many many times when he has shown violent behavior.Lovethesnark wrote:I'm seriously having a wtf moment. Today's a perfect example of how things said about him are way overblown. The kid is being called violent over something that didn't actually happen.whys0seri0us wrote:You're calling a 4 year old violent and a brat and you're offended because some people think your opinion is ridiculous?tintin15 wrote:Bee stings are a little painful. I've been stung by a yellow jacket at 8 or 9 and it hurt a bit, but I dealt with it (especially bc it was at camp and when I tried to tell my counselor, she told me to go away because she was having the "accept Jesus" talk with another camper). For a 4 year old it's a little scary, just as all pain is for a 4 year old, but B&M hyped it up too much. Kids forget about pain in five minutes or less. They didn't have to keep bringing it up.
Also, the toy was inappropriate. I don't care if it was free or expensive. Pain is a part of life and you can't expect to get something when you get a boo boo. If Ollie grows up thinking you get things for pain or that big things help pain, that's going to be a problem. When we're grieving, heartbroken, horribly injured...are material things a band-aid or a cure? They're a band-aid. They make us happy and help for the time, but they don't make us better. A sucker or an ice cream or what have you is one thing, as it's a reasonable comfort. A big, expensive toy is going to start unhealthy patterns. Say they're still rich in 10-15 years. What's Ollie going to do when a girlfriend breaks up with him? Probably buy a freaking car or something. It's going to start a bad need for instant gratification.
I'm not saying this one incident is going to send him in a downward spiral, but wouldn't be surprised if they start giving him things after every scrape, boo boo, and sad moment.
Also, I don't think Ollie has autism. But I do think he is violent. And having my and other's opinions talked about like they're stupid or guaranteed false is a bit offensive...we don't know whether he'll be a brat or an angel in school. It's ok to think either thing, but let's not act like the people we don't agree with are idiots.
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I think the word violent in itself is a bit much. To our knowledge he's never physically hurt someone. He doesn't get angry and hit people or anything like that.
Is he a bit rough? Sure. I've personally never seen the spitting. Only thing I've seen in the vlogs is the raspberry stuff.
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Hitting and spitting is normal behavior for kids his age. He needs to be corrected when he does it. That doesn't make him violent. If so, every other kid in the world is also violent.tintin15 wrote:I already explained myself, saying he is violent because he hits and spits on people. I'm not saying he's the devil's child and running rampant, should never go to school, etc. etc. I'm just observing things. You could both be right and he could be fine...and if he is, I will be happy about that. I'm not trying to be a horrid bitch, I just have an opinion and I don't see what's wrong with that. My intention is not to be cruel to Ollie.Lovethesnark wrote:I'm seriously having a wtf moment. Today's a perfect example of how things said about him are way overblown. The kid is being called violent over something that didn't actually happen.whys0seri0us wrote: You're calling a 4 year old violent and a brat and you're offended because some people think your opinion is ridiculous?
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The most annoying part of this vlog was the title - Ollie is NOT a toddler anymore!! He's going to school in less than 3 months for pete's sake!! Did we really need like more than 2 minutes of that bee sting scene? Like give your kid his privacy and attention - these two are worst than the Kardashians!
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Maybe it COULD be normal, but no... not every 3 year old hits and spits. Most kids get the impression he first few times they even think of trying it that it isn't ok, and generally this happens when they are still toddlers. Preschoolers should know better.Lovethesnark wrote:Hitting and spitting is normal behavior for kids his age. He needs to be corrected when he does it. That doesn't make him violent. If so, every other kid in the world is also violent.tintin15 wrote:I already explained myself, saying he is violent because he hits and spits on people. I'm not saying he's the devil's child and running rampant, should never go to school, etc. etc. I'm just observing things. You could both be right and he could be fine...and if he is, I will be happy about that. I'm not trying to be a horrid bitch, I just have an opinion and I don't see what's wrong with that. My intention is not to be cruel to Ollie.Lovethesnark wrote: I'm seriously having a wtf moment. Today's a perfect example of how things said about him are way overblown. The kid is being called violent over something that didn't actually happen.
Not his fault at all though, but it will be held against him nonetheless if it continues when school starts. If my kid says a peer makes them feel pushed uncomfortable, I'm not including that child in birthday parties and play dates. I'm sure that's how it is for most people.
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Lmao I giggled at the not out there killing people.queentee20 wrote:He's been filmed actually SPITTING... its gross not violent but really gross D; and yeah violent is probably to harsh of a word it's not like he's out killing people, he just misbehaves OFTENwhys0seri0us wrote:I think the word violent in itself is a bit much. To our knowledge he's never physically hurt someone. He doesn't get angry and hit people or anything like that.
Is he a bit rough? Sure. I've personally never seen the spitting. Only thing I've seen in the vlogs is the raspberry stuff.
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I agree, spitting is gross, but not violent.
And he's not like mean spirited either!
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It IS normal behavior though. Just because not every kid does it doesn't mean it's not age and developmentally appropriate.HelloSweetie wrote:Maybe it COULD be normal, but no... not every 3 year old hits and spits. Most kids get the impression he first few times they even think of trying it that it isn't ok, and generally this happens when they are still toddlers. Preschoolers should know better.Lovethesnark wrote:Hitting and spitting is normal behavior for kids his age. He needs to be corrected when he does it. That doesn't make him violent. If so, every other kid in the world is also violent.tintin15 wrote: I already explained myself, saying he is violent because he hits and spits on people. I'm not saying he's the devil's child and running rampant, should never go to school, etc. etc. I'm just observing things. You could both be right and he could be fine...and if he is, I will be happy about that. I'm not trying to be a horrid bitch, I just have an opinion and I don't see what's wrong with that. My intention is not to be cruel to Ollie.
Not his fault at all though, but it will be held against him nonetheless if it continues when school starts. If my kid says a peer makes them feel pushed uncomfortable, I'm not including that child in birthday parties and play dates. I'm sure that's how it is for most people.
Also the toddler/preschooler debate is old. Everyone I know, myself included, still refers to our 3 year olds as toddlers. It's not that big of deal.
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Ollie has been taught it is ok to be obnoxious. He is a little boys whose father constantly acts like an jackass and encourages him to behave that way. Remember the people in England talk funny so you can just laugh at them. Hopefully Ollie will have a loving yet stern teacher who will get his school years started off right. Who knows he may thrive in the school environment
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I am perfectly wiling to admit that violent was a strong word. I used it in the moment to convey what I meant and I understand that it came across differently. I don't think Ollie is some little demon, but as was said, he clearly has some behavioral problems and they do need to be corrected. But they aren't. And that behavior may or may not carry into school and he may or may not be disciplined. I, personally, agree that Missy will want him in a different school if he gets sent home with a bad note, because there's nothing wrong with HER kids
I only mentioned something because I didn't feel right having the majority of us being talked to like our opinions were dumb or wrong. I really didn't mean to start an argument or anything and feel bad for bringing that to the board.
I only mentioned something because I didn't feel right having the majority of us being talked to like our opinions were dumb or wrong. I really didn't mean to start an argument or anything and feel bad for bringing that to the board.
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Huh? How is hitting ppl and spitting normal for almost 4 year old? My 15month old just started spitting period (not at people just randomly before he goes down the slide he spits on it etc) and boy he gets corrected properly for it.Lovethesnark wrote:Hitting and spitting is normal behavior for kids his age. He needs to be corrected when he does it. That doesn't make him violent. If so, every other kid in the world is also violent.tintin15 wrote:I already explained myself, saying he is violent because he hits and spits on people. I'm not saying he's the devil's child and running rampant, should never go to school, etc. etc. I'm just observing things. You could both be right and he could be fine...and if he is, I will be happy about that. I'm not trying to be a horrid bitch, I just have an opinion and I don't see what's wrong with that. My intention is not to be cruel to Ollie.Lovethesnark wrote: I'm seriously having a wtf moment. Today's a perfect example of how things said about him are way overblown. The kid is being called violent over something that didn't actually happen.
No way 4 year old should hit people especially grown ups when they try to talk to him or anyone in that matter(!)
Of course he doesn't know any better but that's because of his parents.. but that's not normal for kids his age..
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So I guess the kids that do have behavioural problems must come from different socioeconomic backgrounds then? Because APPARENTLY it has nothing to do with parents that refuse to establish rules.
I teach my kids to be kind, gentle and not hit. It pisses me off when we run into kids that haven't learned the same and make my child uncomfortable. He playground is super fun when you have a child run up and push your kid, or try to make friends by hitting them. Nice icebreaker, right?
Make excuses all you want for your own child if you think that's normal, but the parents of the children that aren't allowed to do things like hit, spit and run around in restaurants are totally noticing and judging you.... the kids themselves are too. It's not Ollie's actions that have is critical of his social prospects, but the more telling laughter of his parents when he does make these social faux pas. In his world, they aren't dysfunctional at all.
I teach my kids to be kind, gentle and not hit. It pisses me off when we run into kids that haven't learned the same and make my child uncomfortable. He playground is super fun when you have a child run up and push your kid, or try to make friends by hitting them. Nice icebreaker, right?
Make excuses all you want for your own child if you think that's normal, but the parents of the children that aren't allowed to do things like hit, spit and run around in restaurants are totally noticing and judging you.... the kids themselves are too. It's not Ollie's actions that have is critical of his social prospects, but the more telling laughter of his parents when he does make these social faux pas. In his world, they aren't dysfunctional at all.
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No need to explaining yourself everyone watching DB and with common sense (if that even goes together haha) knows exactly what kind of behaviour you were referring to and what you meant. So fed up ppl picking one word out of context and from general situation and blowing it out of proportion..tintin15 wrote:I am perfectly wiling to admit that violent was a strong word. I used it in the moment to convey what I meant and I understand that it came across differently. I don't think Ollie is some little demon, but as was said, he clearly has some behavioral problems and they do need to be corrected. But they aren't. And that behavior may or may not carry into school and he may or may not be disciplined. I, personally, agree that Missy will want him in a different school if he gets sent home with a bad note, because there's nothing wrong with HER kids
I only mentioned something because I didn't feel right having the majority of us being talked to like our opinions were dumb or wrong. I really didn't mean to start an argument or anything and feel bad for bringing that to the board.
Its not like he is just being rough.. he does these things intentionally, it's not like rough play he knows he is hitting ppl and he does it knowingly on purpose, he knows they are not playing a game
Again not really his fault.. thanks to his parents he is under impression it's ok to behave like that
I actually think this is why ppl asume he has autism or other things.. because kids his age usually don't act like this unless there is some issue... but it's difference when you are unable to explain your autistic child something and not even trying to explain something to your child and this is where the confusion comes in in my opinion..
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I've taught my son to be kind, and gentle, and to not hit, but when he gets upset or excited, he still does it. It's corrected every single time but there's this thing called impulse control which young kids sometimes struggle with. This itself is normal!
I never said Ollie shouldn't be corrected or doesn't have some behavioral problems, but yes he does. And his parent should be correcting it. I actually believe that off camera Missy does (we've seen her do it on camera), but correcting a behavior once or twice doesn't always stop it. It's an on going process and I'm willing to bet going to school will help him.
Not for nothing but we see him interact with Pey and Liv and even Jackson perfectly fine. Do you really think sweet Jackson would still want to play with Ollie if he was mean and always hitting him?!
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I never said Ollie shouldn't be corrected or doesn't have some behavioral problems, but yes he does. And his parent should be correcting it. I actually believe that off camera Missy does (we've seen her do it on camera), but correcting a behavior once or twice doesn't always stop it. It's an on going process and I'm willing to bet going to school will help him.
Not for nothing but we see him interact with Pey and Liv and even Jackson perfectly fine. Do you really think sweet Jackson would still want to play with Ollie if he was mean and always hitting him?!
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Well obviously Jackson will because we've seen Ollie be rough with him at times and they still "play."whys0seri0us wrote:
Not for nothing but we see him interact with Pey and Liv and even Jackson perfectly fine. Do you really think sweet Jackson would still want to play with Ollie if he was mean and always hitting him?!
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If they were in preschool together would they still be friends?..... I don't actually think so.
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Lol okay.HelloSweetie wrote:Well obviously Jackson will because we've seen Ollie be rough with him at times and they still "play."whys0seri0us wrote:
Not for nothing but we see him interact with Pey and Liv and even Jackson perfectly fine. Do you really think sweet Jackson would still want to play with Ollie if he was mean and always hitting him?!
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If they were in preschool together would they still be friends?..... I don't actually think so.
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Kids that actually have behavioral disturbances are harming themselves and others. A child Ollie's size is capable of inflicting a serious injury. If he were truly violent, they wouldn't be able to film around it. He would be hostile, angry, disruptive and destructive. He misbehaves. It's normal for a child to misbehave. Just because it's normal behavior, it doesn't mean it's acceptable. I think we're all in agreement that he should be corrected. I think it's wrong and really insensitive to pretend there's something wrong him.HelloSweetie wrote:So I guess the kids that do have behavioural problems must come from different socioeconomic backgrounds then? Because APPARENTLY it has nothing to do with parents that refuse to establish rules.
I teach my kids to be kind, gentle and not hit. It pisses me off when we run into kids that haven't learned the same and make my child uncomfortable. He playground is super fun when you have a child run up and push your kid, or try to make friends by hitting them. Nice icebreaker, right?
Make excuses all you want for your own child if you think that's normal, but the parents of the children that aren't allowed to do things like hit, spit and run around in restaurants are totally noticing and judging you.... the kids themselves are too. It's not Ollie's actions that have is critical of his social prospects, but the more telling laughter of his parents when he does make these social faux pas. In his world, they aren't dysfunctional at all.
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OMG. None of the people that have posted today have said there's anything wrong with him.Lovethesnark wrote:Kids that actually have behavioral disturbances are harming themselves and others. A child Ollie's size is capable of inflicting a serious injury. If he were truly violent, they wouldn't be able to film around it. He would be hostile, angry, disruptive and destructive. He misbehaves. It's normal for a child to misbehave. Just because it's normal behavior, it doesn't mean it's acceptable. I think we're all in agreement that he should be corrected. I think it's wrong and really insensitive to pretend there's something wrong him.HelloSweetie wrote:So I guess the kids that do have behavioural problems must come from different socioeconomic backgrounds then? Because APPARENTLY it has nothing to do with parents that refuse to establish rules.
I teach my kids to be kind, gentle and not hit. It pisses me off when we run into kids that haven't learned the same and make my child uncomfortable. He playground is super fun when you have a child run up and push your kid, or try to make friends by hitting them. Nice icebreaker, right?
Make excuses all you want for your own child if you think that's normal, but the parents of the children that aren't allowed to do things like hit, spit and run around in restaurants are totally noticing and judging you.... the kids themselves are too. It's not Ollie's actions that have is critical of his social prospects, but the more telling laughter of his parents when he does make these social faux pas. In his world, they aren't dysfunctional at all.
Just as you said. There is something wrong with his behaviour, and it isn't likely to get better without direction. He isn't going to get this at home, and it isn't a teacher's responsibility to deal with it. At my son's preschool they would call the parents to come and get him. If this were to happen to B&Mi just don't think they would take it seriously. This is why I don't think Ollie is going to magically improve socially when he starts school.
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I think the parenting is of course the main problem here. Ollie is aggressive, perhaps mainly because aggressive play is always encouraged. Also, he does get good exercise in the pool but other than that I don't really think he's getting a whole lot of activity. Lots of screen time, idle time, likely hanging around while parents are making and editing vlog time, and eating junk food 24/7. It is a bit of a recipe for disaster. I don't think he's an awful child by any means. I do think he will struggle in school for all the reasons already offered. I hope I am wrong. I also think he's an excellent swimmer for his age, so that's something he has going for him. Hopefully he can channel that into something productive. Poor kid, though. Parents using his minor injury not as an opportunity to comfort him and then show him that it's not the end of the world, but to exploit him, and make him the thumbnail of the day. It's all so revolting. I really don't know why I keep watching this! Help!!!
ETA: I really struggle to see how he can be considered a toddler.
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Perfectly fine?? Do you watch the vlogs constantly? Start watching at 6:24...whys0seri0us wrote:I've taught my son to be kind, and gentle, and to not hit, but when he gets upset or excited, he still does it. It's corrected every single time but there's this thing called impulse control which young kids sometimes struggle with. This itself is normal!
I never said Ollie shouldn't be corrected or doesn't have some behavioral problems, but yes he does. And his parent should be correcting it. I actually believe that off camera Missy does (we've seen her do it on camera), but correcting a behavior once or twice doesn't always stop it. It's an on going process and I'm willing to bet going to school will help him.
Not for nothing but we see him interact with Pey and Liv and even Jackson perfectly fine. Do you really think sweet Jackson would still want to play with Ollie if he was mean and always hitting him?!
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The violence!ladyju28 wrote:Perfectly fine?? Do you watch the vlogs constantly? Start watching at 6:24...whys0seri0us wrote:I've taught my son to be kind, and gentle, and to not hit, but when he gets upset or excited, he still does it. It's corrected every single time but there's this thing called impulse control which young kids sometimes struggle with. This itself is normal!
I never said Ollie shouldn't be corrected or doesn't have some behavioral problems, but yes he does. And his parent should be correcting it. I actually believe that off camera Missy does (we've seen her do it on camera), but correcting a behavior once or twice doesn't always stop it. It's an on going process and I'm willing to bet going to school will help him.
Not for nothing but we see him interact with Pey and Liv and even Jackson perfectly fine. Do you really think sweet Jackson would still want to play with Ollie if he was mean and always hitting him?!
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