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amyfalafal wrote:
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amyfalafal wrote:What a big load of bull shit pushing for 11 hours.


There's something seriously wrong if you're pushing more than 90 minutes. Reassess birthing interventions. Like Missy Lanning... As a midwife the story of her wanting a VBAC so badly that it was causing her unborn baby harm without anyone telling her to rush into emergency c-section is appalling. There is a time and place a medical professional needs to step in and do what's best for both patients involve.
Actually for those giving birth for the first time, they will let you push for up to 3-4 hours. I pushed for 2.5 hours with my first baby - with every single contraction. I was exhausted. No way did they let her push like that for 11 hours. They would have intervened after 4 hours at the most.
Never heard of that without interventions here in Australia in practice or in university. Evidently, it's different where you live.
I’m in the US like Joan. ACOG (American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists) specifically says:

How should abnormally progressing second-stage labor be managed?
Given the available literature, before diagnosing arrest of labor in the second stage and if the maternal and fetal conditions permit, at least 2 hours of pushing in multiparous women and at least 3 hours of pushing in nulliparous women should be allowed (Table 3). Longer durations may be appropriate on an individualized basis (eg, with the use of epidural analgesia or with fetal malposition) as long as progress is being documented (Table 3). For example, the recent Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development document suggested allowing one additional hour in the setting of an epidural, thus, at least 3 hours in multiparous women and 4 hours in nulliparous women be used to diagnose second-stage arrest, although that document did not clarify between pushing time or total second stage. https://www.acog.org/Clinical-Guidance- ... n-Delivery
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^^ Well done on your research.
I have a masters in midwifery in Australia, I'm fully aware of policies and procedures and techniques of birthing and delivering and caring for pregnant women antenatal and postnatal. :-|
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John and Joan: 11 Hours of Pushing Lies

Joan and John and Maeve's Still Not Gone

John and Joan: Taking Gold at the Pain Olympics

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John and Joan: Who the Hell is Sweetpea?
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I'm unnaturally frustrated at her blatant labor exaggeration and people buying into to and giving her medals for it. Labor is hard no matter the circumstances, but this lie is just eating at me. We all have pushing stories, each amazing in itself. But JOAN THE MIRACULOUS trumps them all with pushing that lasted 4x the maximum limit. I cant.
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RootBeerFloatie wrote:John and Joan: Who the Hell is Sweetpea?
Yep. No mention at all. But I’ll bet if Maeve never existed and they only had that one early m/c Joan would cling to that like like Glad Wrap.
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I joined this site to comment on Joan's RIDICULOUS lie about pushing for 11 hours. 3-4 hours is the max that any sane OB would allow in a hospital setting. In fact, her Instagram followers are questioning the care she received by her OB since she supposedly pushed that long. Someone should contact her doctors office and let them know crazy Joan is making them look incompetent because this seems like a PR nightmare for them!
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Brown_bunny2017 wrote:I joined this site to comment on Joan's RIDICULOUS lie about pushing for 11 hours. 3-4 hours is the max that any sane OB would allow in a hospital setting. In fact, her Instagram followers are questioning the care she received by her OB since she supposedly pushed that long. Someone should contact her doctors office and let them know crazy Joan is making them look incompetent because this seems like a PR nightmare for them!
Before you know it, she'll be writing a Yelp review on them too..
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I never realized until now how close their names are maeVERA
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emlyx wrote:I never realized until now how close their names are maeVERA
Her middle name is Mae...stick that in front of Vera, and you’ve got Maeve. I sincerely hope that they let Vera be her own person.


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No way you would be allowed to push for 11 hours. The baby would not have withstood that stress.

I’m wondering how did being stuck in the pelvis result in actual cuts on Vera’s head? The one on back of her head looks particularly nasty. Not that I disbelieve that’s what caused it, I’m simply curious as to how it happens, I’ve never seen it before. All 4 of my labours were relatively straight forward.


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amyfalafal wrote:^^ Well done on your research.
I have a masters in midwifery in Australia, I'm fully aware of policies and procedures and techniques of birthing and delivering and caring for pregnant women antenatal and postnatal. :-|
Then how would you think more than 1.5 hours of pushing means that something is “seriously” wrong??? Yes, 11 hours is too long. But 3-4 hours of pushing is allowed especially if you have an epidural here in the US. I took 2.5 hours to push with my first, I can’t imagine my doctor considering forceps/vacuum/csection after just 1.5 hrs.
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cheesecakes wrote:
amyfalafal wrote:^^ Well done on your research.
I have a masters in midwifery in Australia, I'm fully aware of policies and procedures and techniques of birthing and delivering and caring for pregnant women antenatal and postnatal. :-|
Then how would you think more than 1.5 hours of pushing means that something is “seriously” wrong??? Yes, 11 hours is too long. But 3-4 hours of pushing is allowed especially if you have an epidural here in the US. I took 2.5 hours to push with my first, I can’t imagine my doctor considering forceps/vacuum/csection after just 1.5 hrs.
She was high risk... why would doctors or Joan want to risk Vera going into distress from pushing for too long?
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actuallydear wrote:
cheesecakes wrote:
amyfalafal wrote:^^ Well done on your research.
I have a masters in midwifery in Australia, I'm fully aware of policies and procedures and techniques of birthing and delivering and caring for pregnant women antenatal and postnatal. :-|
Then how would you think more than 1.5 hours of pushing means that something is “seriously” wrong??? Yes, 11 hours is too long. But 3-4 hours of pushing is allowed especially if you have an epidural here in the US. I took 2.5 hours to push with my first, I can’t imagine my doctor considering forceps/vacuum/csection after just 1.5 hrs.
She was high risk... why would doctors or Joan want to risk Vera going into distress from pushing for too long?
11 hours is too long. I’m only replying to amyfalafal on her statement that 1.5 hrs of pushing means something is seriously wrong.
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It’s seriously bothering me so much that she isn’t being called out for lying, people are questioning her doctor but I want someone to comment “okay exaggeration much, 11 hours of ACTUAL pushing is a total gross exaggeration. That’s not even legal for your doctors to do” lol [img]//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201806 ... 8e9b71.png[/img]


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Some of the comments trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, She def didn’t mean 11 hours of active labour if she went out of her way to be super specific with her 11 hours of ___ACTUAL___ pushing haha she wanted that extra attention and pain Olympic gold medal lol

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I’ve never specified my pushing time in a social media post before. Everyone works hard at labour and deserves a medal for child birth. I knew I wasn’t working harder than anyone else


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It makes no sense. She was induced and John was giving updates via instagram stories, from the time he posted that she was in active labour to the time he posted that it would be a c section was NOT 11 hours! The entire thing from start to finish was around 15 hours (induction to c section)

For someone to push they must be fully dilated, so Joan expects us to believe that she was fully dilated pretty much immediately her active labour began?


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Pineapples wrote:It makes no sense. She was induced and John was giving updates via instagram stories, from the time he posted that she was in active labour to the time he posted that it would be a c section was NOT 11 hours! The entire thing from start to finish was around 15 hours (induction to c section)

For someone to push they must be fully dilated, so Joan expects us to believe that she was fully dilated pretty much immediately her active labour began?


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Great point! I am impatiently waiting for her birth vlog to see how she explains it all. I don’t understand how John could allow her to blatantly lie about 11 hours of straight pushing when he was witness to what actually happened?!
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Joan lies for effect all the time. I still say she lied about only having 20 pictures of Maeve based on the way John looked at her with surprise. Not that she has tons of pictures, but I'm guessing they have far more than 20.


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They probably told her to ‘give a little push’ or something, at the beginning so they could see the baby’s head position on the cervix (I remember that happening to me a few times during early labour) but that does NOT translate to 11 whole hours of final stage pushing lmao! The dramatics are real!!


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