Phil and Alex | Crazy Eyes and Endless Lies | Part 4

[eab424]

Lexirae- Yes it’s weird. For a short distance yes. 



Kind55- Yes. That jumped out at me also. I’ve not seen it before and she’s not letting the girls play with it that I’ve seen. Their play area is in the living room and I’ve never seen it in the living room before. The nameplates could easily be in their room in the RV. I hadn’t heard of what conference it is do you know the name of it? 

As far as flying or taking the RV, It’s 2,043 miles. Right now it’s May 13th. They say in a couple of weeks that they’ll start living in the RV and now with that gap of videos, I have no idea what timeline their on. That being said let's say it's now current. That’s 30 hours of driving they’d have to do. Being their first trip, the girls being so young, countless people telling them it needs to be a short trip for the first time to adjust. The 2,000-mile trip isn’t short. What if they break down? That truck is pretty old. I can’t gage the exact year but it looks like it’s older than the trailer. That’s a bad idea since those trucks can break down. They don’t know it’s history. It could already have high mileage. This is a train wreck ready to happen. 

Sorn- I’ve said the same thing. Alex exposes herself as a lying moron. If it was only potty they would’ve taken the girls back out. I’d bet everything I have that if the situation was if they didn’t have the girls and another couple brought in their daughters she’d be upset about it.


Angelsong01- Pastor Rick Warren started a megachurch and it has several satellite campuses. Phil was a pastor in one of those campuses.

Scoobs212- Thank you for clearing that up for me. My cousin was born with the same defect. He’s older than Phil for comparison. He did get an infection that caused issues with his heart defect but he didn’t have surgery until the late 1990s for it. And there were actually 2 holes in his. It was a simple surgery. We know Phil and Alex love sympathy so it doesn’t shock me in the slightest that they drummed this up for more sympathy. There's something seriously wrong upstairs with both of these two.

Onniebay02-I’ve said the same thing. Alex doesn’t because she cannot fully realize what a gift she has. They love to drum up sympathy and drama over IF, but the truth is they beat IF by adopting. Most IF couples going through this don’t have the benefit of being parents. Two years is nothing compared to most people’s stories. The majority of this that they’ve gone through they’ve done so as parents. The fact she was sulking in bed last mothers day speaks volumes.

[Klind55]

Kind55- I hadn’t heard of what conference it is do you know the name of it? 

As far as flying or taking the RV, It’s 2,043 miles. Right now it’s May 13th. They say in a couple of weeks that they’ll start living in the RV and now with that gap of videos, I have no idea what timeline their on. That being said let's say it's now current. That’s 30 hours of driving they’d have to do. Being their first trip, the girls being so young, countless people telling them it needs to be a short trip for the first time to adjust. The 2,000-mile trip isn’t short. What if they break down? That truck is pretty old. I can’t gage the exact year but it looks like it’s older than the trailer. That’s a bad idea since those trucks can break down. They don’t know it’s history. It could already have high mileage. This is a train wreck ready to happen.

Ok, going to try to attach a picture of the event. We shall see if it works

[Here_2_talk]

Okay, I had a good scan through the website for the fun run they are attending.

They are giving away £5000 family fund from live multiplies.

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The way you get your tickets for the ballot is to get sponsors for your run, every £250 raised will get 10 tickets.

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The money they raise will be donated to 3 couples toward IVF or adoption.


Sorry, it’s all $ not £


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[Here_2_talk]

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[Teamrocketing]

She is SO selfish. Poor Doormat can’t even keep gifts he made for his daughters (that are really cute decorations that fit the theme?) but Alex can keep a huge sentimental dollhouse we never see the girls play with? yikes!

They are so ungrateful for what they have. They had $$ thrown at them which helped cover IVF / adoption. Good thing since I doubt they could have earned it themselves with all the spending they do. They’re so frugal yet they are constantly buying frivolous things, dropping $$$ on new clothes, buying and redoing a whole RV for minimal use, own an expensive california condo, quit their jobs, constantly eat out, etc..

It’s obvious how they feel about the girls - “they don’t know they’re adopted”... they’re still YOUR DAUGHTERS ? Stop sneaking your kids into an IVF clinic you narcissist! while you’re at it, get yourself out of there too and see a specialist that will actually help you conceive. You’ll have plenty of views then- won’t need to fake a “twin boy miscarriage” or capitalize on broadcasting others pain (the girls getting hurt, your friends having a miscarriage, a child’s funeral, your distant sisters death) I’m sure once they have their precious bio baby, Kinsley and Callie will be further mistreated. I feel so bad for them and their birth moms.

Love multiplies is such a scam. They are greedy liars.. Can’t believe their “non profit” is still up (and benefiting their pockets) Just wait until they get investigated!

[Sorn]

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[sondraK]

No surprise here that these two found a way to eachother on their little trip. The Gardners are the absolute worst ....they are even more disgusting than Phil and Alex. Shitty humans find eachother.

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I so agree! Phil is at least tolerable.Tyson I can't even stand to look at or hear,with his big mouth.And Ashley screeches all the time,and the quads are like wild animals OOC.Not their fault tho,it's their idiot parents.
Alex I find to be insincere and manipulatively clueless,just
as she tries to be.
I can't even w the Gardners anymore.And just barely w P and A

[Oma66]

Too go along with the previous photo.. Has anyone heard Alex tell us about the Gardner’s? I haven’t!!
I don’t think either family know what there getting themselves into. At least P&A will have a place to park their RV while strolling through Utah!


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[MollyAnneDenver]

IVF is cancelled YET Again!

From what I can tell the "vlog" is about 1 week behind

SUPRISE she basically has only 12ish follicles AGAIN - WHY CANT HER DOCTOR TELL HER 12 is her NUMBER. I went through IVF and it was explained to me that you tend to have the same number each month - maybe one or two more or less. She magically is not going to have 20.

I have a theory - Dr.Hatch found another way to get money from Alex - just have tons of testing every month that will never change. Ultrasounds run $300ish and blood work is around $100 - $150ish.

[eab424]

Klind55- Thanks! I have a poor outlook on these organizations that are involved with them. If they’d done their research or even watched the videos they wouldn’t have partnered with them.

Sorn- I agree to a point. Ashley is loud and talks to the girls like their babies. And he is ugly and annoying. But at least they take the girls to fun places. They have taken the girls to both Disney parks. Granted one was paid for by Disney. And then when they took them to Disneyland they bought them $500 dresses and were advertising this dressmakers business. It seems to be a common theme in Utah to pay obscene amounts of money for things readily available and nicer for far less. Kids grow out of things so quickly. As far as the disgusting factor I think Phil and Alex’s panhandling,

Sondrak- yeah they are I think Ashley treats them like their babies instead of 4-year-olds. She’s a Supernanny episode begging to happen. I stopped watching when the girls were babies.

Oma66- I haven’t either but this is what I’ve noticed, usually, when they get together it’s clear they don’t watch each other’s videos. I mean look at April and Davey. When they miscarried and Alex heard the news she smiled. A few weeks ago April and Davey are doing their monthly vacation and are in California in a rented beach house and their having Cheesecake Factory with Phil and Alex. Obviously they don’t watch Phil and Alex’s vlogs at least regularly.

Mollyannedenver- From the reviews, I’ve seen some people don’t like doctor hatch. The one I feel like is most productive, is by a couple who are in the medical field. They were with Dr. Hatch for a year without success. They switched doctors and were pregnant within six months. I think it’s a little of both Dr. Hatch not being the greatest doctor and Alex and Phil not wanting to hear the truth. Alex and Phil love spending money on themselves. If it’s what Alex wants then Alex gets it. 

The other doctor they interviewed didn’t kiss Alex’s butt and right away she didn’t like him. No, she’d prefer doctor hatch and wasting $$$$ and years with her. Remember she’s the one who told Alex that her body could do CPR and bring a weeks miscarried baby back to life. Alex is a loon for going along with that BS. Who is that stupid to believe in such a thing? 

Anyway, They’ve been planning this trip to Nashville since February. It’s no secret that they’ve been scheduled to be there June 1st at least since February when it was announced that they would be there for the fun run and “inspiration”. I knew IVF wasn’t a go this month. Remember Alex has to be on bed rest for 4 days after. And I just don’t see her traveling with post IVF appointments she’d need to be at AND travel etc. I think they did that video for views and $$$.

And the big thing, she’s just now getting them into swim lessons, seriously? You live in a complex with a pool and you live near the water. It’s such a vital thing to do for safety reasons it boggles my mind that she claims it didn’t work until now. BS. And she thinks a 1-2 swim lessons is going to prepare them. What a moron.

[Klind55]

IVF is cancelled YET Again!

From what I can tell the "vlog" is about 1 week behind

SUPRISE she basically has only 12ish follicles AGAIN - WHY CANT HER DOCTOR TELL HER 12 is her NUMBER. I went through IVF and it was explained to me that you tend to have the same number each month - maybe one or two more or less. She magically is not going to have 20.

I have a theory - Dr.Hatch found another way to get money from Alex - just have tons of testing every month that will never change. Ultrasounds run $300ish and blood work is around $100 - $150ish.

I think the vlogs are closer to 2-2.5 weeks behind because they still haven't even moved out of the condo, then she slept for a couple days at Phil's parents' house and then vacation and then at that YouTube thingy
As for the number of follicles, I think the 2nd opinion dr that counted her follicles was way more accurate than quack but she discounted him because quack counted way more than he did. Funny how it's been right around that number since. I think dr. Quack miscounted all along. Every month Dr. Quack says she is looking better......

Her mom looks so old

[Here_2_talk]

IVF is cancelled YET Again!

From what I can tell the "vlog" is about 1 week behind

SUPRISE she basically has only 12ish follicles AGAIN - WHY CANT HER DOCTOR TELL HER 12 is her NUMBER. I went through IVF and it was explained to me that you tend to have the same number each month - maybe one or two more or less. She magically is not going to have 20.

I have a theory - Dr.Hatch found another way to get money from Alex - just have tons of testing every month that will never change. Ultrasounds run $300ish and blood work is around $100 - $150ish.

As for the number of follicles, I think the 2nd opinion dr that counted her follicles was way more accurate than quack but she discounted him because quack counted way more than he did. Funny how it's been right around that number since. I think dr. Quack miscounted all along. Every month Dr. Quack says she is looking better......

You are spot on! The count is exactly what the other #1 expert said ( cause there’s two #1 expert in the fertility field according to P&A )

The count has been consistently 12, sooooo.

Take your action Alex, get the Retrieval done before it drops to 7


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[Goodgirl]

IVF is cancelled YET Again!

From what I can tell the "vlog" is about 1 week behind

SUPRISE she basically has only 12ish follicles AGAIN - WHY CANT HER DOCTOR TELL HER 12 is her NUMBER. I went through IVF and it was explained to me that you tend to have the same number each month - maybe one or two more or less. She magically is not going to have 20.

I have a theory - Dr.Hatch found another way to get money from Alex - just have tons of testing every month that will never change. Ultrasounds run $300ish and blood work is around $100 - $150ish.

As for the number of follicles, I think the 2nd opinion dr that counted her follicles was way more accurate than quack but she discounted him because quack counted way more than he did. Funny how it's been right around that number since. I think dr. Quack miscounted all along. Every month Dr. Quack says she is looking better......

You are spot on! The count is exactly what the other #1 expert said ( cause there’s two #1 expert in the fertility field according to P&A )

The count has been consistently 12, sooooo.

Take your action Alex, get the Retrieval done before it drops to 7


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Yeah, totally! Alex, I think 12 is your number. Gotta work with what you got!


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[Jupiter]

@eab424
[blockquote]Onniebay02-I’ve said the same thing. Alex doesn’t because she cannot fully realize what a gift she has. They love to drum up sympathy and drama over IF, but the truth is they beat IF by adopting. Most IF couples going through this don’t have the benefit of being parents. Two years is nothing compared to most people’s stories. The majority of this that they’ve gone through they’ve done so as parents. The fact she was sulking in bed last mothers day speaks volumes.[/blockquote]

BINGO! Exactly. Ok, technically thanks to Alex broadcasting to the known free world, we know Phil's boys have issues. Even so, this couple has 2 children. Maybe Alex did not launch them from her own loins, but she still is raising 2 little girls. As far as I'm concerned this takes her off the infertility merry-go-round. IMHO.



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[Scoobs212]

I have very limited knowledge of IVF, but why are they turning their noses up at 12 follicles? I understand that not all eggs will fertilize and the ones that do may not make it to day 3/5, and out of those, not all of them are likely to be genetically normal. But Alex keeps saying they're fully committed to all their embryos (and they still have one left over). Alex is how old, 32? How many times does she plan on being pregnant over the next 10 or so years? At this stage, you'd think she'd be satisfied with a couple good embryos that will allow them to add to their family while they're still relatively young. If she ends up with a bunch of embryos, she'll need to be constantly pregnant with multiples well into her mid-40's in order to give them all a chance at life.

[wildwild94]

I have very limited knowledge of IVF, but why are they turning their noses up at 12 follicles? I understand that not all eggs will fertilize and the ones that do may not make it to day 3/5, and out of those, not all of them are likely to be genetically normal. But Alex keeps saying they're fully committed to all their embryos (and they still have one left over). Alex is how old, 32? How many times does she plan on being pregnant over the next 10 or so years? At this stage, you'd think she'd be satisfied with a couple good embryos that will allow them to add to their family while they're still relatively young. If she ends up with a bunch of embryos, she'll need to be constantly pregnant with multiples well into her mid-40's in order to give them all a chance at life.

THIS!!! It’s like she is expecting to walk in there one day, dr hatch will say it’s a miracle! You have 40 eggs on each side! Retrieval!

But then, how many of those hypothetical 80 would be genetically normal, or fertilize? Alex is hoping 80/80.

From there, what if she can’t carry them? This whole situation is a mess to me and I think they’ve put way too much time already in with dr quack.

It’s impossible to say since I’ve never gone through it, but I’d imagine I’d have a timeline (for example, after how many weird things happened with this dr, I’d be seeking 2,3,4 opinions) and move on after a certain amount of time without success, like it looked like they had thought about seeing the other dr who she immediately wrote off.

She really, really, needs to seek out a professional to unpack her issues around this stuff. She has two beautiful girls she comes across more as a babysitter to and is still obsessed with a bio pregnancy. I’m terrified for those sweet girls if they ever do get a bio kid, especially if it’s a boy!


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[Here_2_talk]

I have very limited knowledge of IVF, but why are they turning their noses up at 12 follicles? I understand that not all eggs will fertilize and the ones that do may not make it to day 3/5, and out of those, not all of them are likely to be genetically normal. But Alex keeps saying they're fully committed to all their embryos (and they still have one left over). Alex is how old, 32? How many times does she plan on being pregnant over the next 10 or so years? At this stage, you'd think she'd be satisfied with a couple good embryos that will allow them to add to their family while they're still relatively young. If she ends up with a bunch of embryos, she'll need to be constantly pregnant with multiples well into her mid-40's in order to give them all a chance at life.

THIS!!! It’s like she is expecting to walk in there one day, dr hatch will say it’s a miracle! You have 40 eggs on each side! Retrieval!

But then, how many of those hypothetical 80 would be genetically normal, or fertilize? Alex is hoping 80/80.

From there, what if she can’t carry them?


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She’s hoping for 80! She’ll need 24 just to get 3 more babies and then she’ll sell /donate the rest. So she can be a true female Messiah.

Love multiplies will be the baby egg distribution centre, and they’ll finally have their cult they were after all these years.







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[Tiger27]

OMG you guys are in for one with today’s vlog. Which is really just a continuation of what happened after the last vlog.

Alex finds out her miscarriage that she carried on with for way too long was a boy (guess they had it genetically tested and found out it was also completely abnormal). She then said she couldn’t remember if she had an inkling if it was a boy or a girl when she was pregnant. Women you had a whole twin boy theory, how’d you forget you swore it was boys? She also continue to push the narrative it was twins.

Then she cried and said she never got to properly grieve her miscarriage because the internet trolls made her feel it wasn’t a real pregnancy. “I almost felt like it didn’t matter because people told me it didn’t matter”. Pretty sure we told you your quack doctor was filling your head with nonsense that your clearly abnormal embryo never progressed correctly and that you were extending the pregnancy into unsafe territory by continuing to take hormones to extend it. That’s not saying that it didn’t matter, but that the writing was all over the wall that the pregnancy wasn’t viable.

Then we get a rant that she loves her adopted children just as much as she’d love bio children and she’s not obsessed with being pregnant.

Meanwhile her mom (is that woman 90??) stands by adding in odd comments...she seems to be saying what Alex wants to hear but the emotion doesn’t really seem behind it? Is that just me? Then Alex promises us to share her stillbirth story on her channel...can’t wait!!

Grab you popcorn ladies...this is a good one.


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[HashtagBlessed]

I've been confused about this for some time, but initially she claims she miscarried at home without mention of a d&c, so I assumed they didn't have the opportunity to do pathology testing. But then they did a video sharing their products of conception testing and now she's sharing the genetic sex of the fetal tissue. Not to be morbid, but how is that possible without a d&c? The pathology results mentioned both the gestational sac with a yolk sac and the empty one with no fetal tissue. Did they not want to mention the fact that she elected to have the d&c for some weird reason? I genuinely wonder if continuing to take hormones to extend the pregnancy was more problematic and dangerous than they let on, and they didn't want to admit that it caused problems that necessitated a d&c.

[AuntieEm]

And she also slipped in that it just wasn't going to make it past 12 weeks due to the genetic problem. Each time she tells the story the pregnancy gains another week.