Julie Deru: Part One

[YTIG60]

Today's vlog Landon talked about being adult is hard with their evening plans to go out and do taxes. But wow Julie chimed in with kids have stress too and generally kids at their age shouldn't have adult level stress. I'm probably reading into this too much, but perhaps Julie is starting to realize they all are suffering with Landon's career path. Or she is stressed waiting to hear if he'll be accepted into a PhD program that may require a move.
I don't understand why you would have chickens, a chicken coop that smells in an area so small that it results in a poop all over. That is an extremely small backyard with neighbors close to their property.
Personally, I'm having a hard time hearing how Julie was brought up to work hard and they are teaching their kids how to work hard. Chickens are a hobby and not a job.

[sparkle lemon]

Was that a veiled criticism of Saint Jennifer I heard when Julie said the family dog was kept outside when they were kids and Bonnie and Ruby were choosing to have inside dogs? (I won't include Ellie in that because I am pretty sure their dog is always shut outside as well). Naughty Julie! Saint Jennifer will not be happy with you! I've always thought that Julie was the one least likely to be manipulated by her mother because she has mostly
managed to live a decent distance away from her mom, and also studied and obtained a professional qualification (even if she never uses it).

[Ducklings4]

I just watched her Insta story. They bred the dog they had growing up! Also she said about the picture it must have been Sunday because our hair was done or something along those lines. Did their mom only clean them up for church and how often did they breed the poor dog?


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[rosie_dalia]

WTF was today's video? She drank a little bit of soda and it seemed to really piss off that shithead/worthless husband. What a terrible life she has. I wouldn't be able to put up with that sort of CRAP!

Then she really seemed to feel guilty about it. Seriously? She has some sort of Stockholm Syndrome in that marriage. Landon is a joke. He's also obviously a controlling A-HOLE!

Did he ever get a job?????

[rosie_dalia]

Landon is a weird one. He's getting a Ph.D in nutrition? Huh. He's wasting time and money—again. Isn't he about 35? He "could" get a job with the degrees he already has.

I think I'd be worried there aren't many professor positions for that type of Ph.D. Maybe in the cafeteria????? LOL! (But, actually, seriously....)

[i_just_cant]

Landon got into 2 PhD programs at BYU and one at Washington State. They said he wouldn't be able to teach at BYU in the future if he does the PhD there? That's a strange rule. It's good that he got in, even if Emma will be in high school by the time he finishes...

[ICantEven]

Landon got into 2 PhD programs at BYU and one at Washington State. They said he wouldn't be able to teach at BYU in the future if he does the PhD there? That's a strange rule. It's good that he got in, even if Emma will be in high school by the time he finishes...

It's more of an informal rule that most universities don't often hire their own PhDs. I'm kind of surprised BYU isn't an exception given they have a strong religious affiliation. But good for them. It's apparently well enough known that Landon is thinking about it before choosing his program, so at least he won't be surprised later if his dream is to work at byu.

[YTIG60]

Landon got into 2 PhD programs at BYU and one at Washington State. They said he wouldn't be able to teach at BYU in the future if he does the PhD there? That's a strange rule. It's good that he got in, even if Emma will be in high school by the time he finishes...

It's more of an informal rule that most universities don't often hire their own PhDs. I'm kind of surprised BYU isn't an exception given they have a strong religious affiliation. But good for them. It's apparently well enough known that Landon is thinking about it before choosing his program, so at least he won't be surprised later if his dream is to work at byu.

ICantEven: can you explain how long it will take to complete a PhD program. His earning potential while in school? Are their any insurance benefits while in school? His chances of teaching and where?
It must be different among programs where BYU doesn't hire their PhD graduates since Kevin did receive his PhD at BYU and is an Associate Professor today. I hadn't realized how long it took Kevin to become a professor since he entered into a PhD program (BYU) in 2007, Assistant Professor (BYU) 2012 and Associate Professor (BYU) in 2018. Is this the same timeline Landon might be looking at? I am amazed at Landon's rationale believing this is a "better" lifestyle teaching since YouTube has shown Kevin to be an absentee dad because he works a significant amount of the time.
It was good he was accepted into a program. But on the other hand, if he wasn't accepted, Landon might have been forced to give up his dream and perhaps result in a better career choice. The Griffith sisters (Ellie, Bonnie and Julie) are married to husbands with challenging careers paths that may not work out...Jared's career is uncertain in social media, Joel is going to flip houses and Landon is still a student in his thirties.

[ICantEven]

ICantEven: can you explain how long it will take to complete a PhD program. His earning potential while in school? Are their any insurance benefits while in school? His chances of teaching and where?
It must be different among programs where BYU doesn't hire their PhD graduates since Kevin did receive his PhD at BYU and is an Associate Professor today. I hadn't realized how long it took Kevin to become a professor since he entered into a PhD program (BYU) in 2007, Assistant Professor (BYU) 2012 and Associate Professor (BYU) in 2018. Is this the same timeline Landon might be looking at? I am amazed at Landon's rationale believing this is a "better" lifestyle teaching since YouTube has shown Kevin to be an absentee dad because he works a significant amount of the time.
It was good he was accepted into a program. But on the other hand, if he wasn't accepted, Landon might have been forced to give up his dream and perhaps result in a better career choice. The Griffith sisters (Ellie, Bonnie and Julie) are married to husbands with challenging careers paths that may not work out...Jared's career is uncertain in social media, Joel is going to flip houses and Landon is still a student in his thirties.

I'd guess at least 4-5 years for the PhD, but I'm not very familiar with his field. I think Landon and Julie have said it will be 4, so maybe that's typical for his field. In my experience, it will depend quite a bit on his actual research project, whether he gets interesting results quickly, etc. Usually the shortest PhDs (about 4 years) are in engineering and fields where there are plenty of jobs outside academia. Not sure about his field. But in life sciences, the average is about 7 years, so i would say there's a good chance it will take him longer than 4 years.

Stipends or teaching assistantships (20 hr/wk) are running 25-30k per year currently, and you do have the option of insurance coverage subsidized by the university.

In terms of his prospects for getting a faculty job after his PhD, the odds are low (max 25% of phds get faculty jobs within 5 years). First off, PhD programs have 30-50% attrition rates. An article has been circulating which cites research that in science and engineering 7x more PhDs are awarded each year than new faculty jobs created. I find the entire article quite interesting: https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.2706

If Landon is looking to teach at BYU, then it's really important that he looks at the department specifically. The exercise science dept has 19 faculty: 6 full professors, 9 associate professors, and 4 assistant professors. What strikes me is that it's a young department with few possible retirements in the near future (esp because darn professors often work until 80-90 and just refuse to retire). Also most of the faculty have tenure and are less likely to leave the school.

Good point about Kevin... I knew he had been in Washington and assumed that was for his PhD but it was his masters. He didn't even plan to teach, if I recall correctly. He worked at an engineering firm through his entire PhD and planned to go back to doing that full time.

I totally agree that it would have been better for the family if Landon didn't get in to the programs. He already has plenty of degrees that he can get well paying jobs with. Without social media income, the Deru's have more education and income possibility than Bonnie and Ellie's families combined. It's too bad he can't put his family first.

Full disclosure, I am also aiming for a faculty position at a university against these horrible odds. I'm a postdoc now which is where people get "stuck". Sometimes I hate myself for pursuing my dreams and wish I had just gotten a bachelor's in engineering, made money and could actually have free time to pursue whatever interests me. A couple differences between me and Landon are that I don't have 4 kids (and wanting more) and a spouse to support, and because of the field I'm in and my skills, I have some backup options within academia and outside. I don't know what options there are for Landon's field, but I hope there are some.

[YTIG60]

Icanteven, thank you for your time in responding to my comment. It is excellent. I wish you success with obtaining a faculty position at a university.

[lmmomSD]

Icanteven, thank you for your time in responding to my comment. It is excellent. I wish you success with obtaining a faculty position at a university.

And don't give up! My sister got her doctorate, and then was the best educated legal secretary in the land for a couple of years, then finally got a job at the university where she got her PhD. My SIL got her teaching job right after she finished her doctorate.

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[ICantEven]

Icanteven, thank you for your time in responding to my comment. It is excellent. I wish you success with obtaining a faculty position at a university.

And don't give up! My sister got her doctorate, and then was the best educated legal secretary in the land for a couple of years, then finally got a job at the university where she got her PhD. My SIL got her teaching job right after she finished her doctorate.

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Aw thank you both!

[imoverit]

Aw how exciting for Landon! As much as I disagree with all the decisions this family makes concerning his education, it is very exciting for him to get accepted. I hope they go to Washington so the kids can grow up outside the Utah bubble and we can watch them go on a more interesting adventure than staying in Utah.

[Kattiness Everdeen]

I don't know if it is coincidence or it is common practice for Engineering, but the University I went to tried to keep some PhD Engineering candidates as well. They tried to recruit me for this path as an Undergrad, but I didn't want to be a professor. Our Dean and 2 profs were educated in-house.

I hope they go to Washington too. Some distance will likely be good for them, and more interesting for us.

[rosie_dalia]

Aw how exciting for Landon! As much as I disagree with all the decisions this family makes concerning his education, it is very exciting for him to get accepted. I hope they go to Washington so the kids can grow up outside the Utah bubble and we can watch them go on a more interesting adventure than staying in Utah.

Washington State University is practically in Idaho (seriously, like two miles from the Idaho border), so it's still very LDS country...and VERY rural. It's not like they are moving to Seattle. I would definitely never move to Pullman. I visited once and it's really in the middle of nowhere. Where they live now is more interesting than rural Eastern Washington.

I wonder if he applied to other schools and just didn't get in???

[Kattiness Everdeen]

Aw how exciting for Landon! As much as I disagree with all the decisions this family makes concerning his education, it is very exciting for him to get accepted. I hope they go to Washington so the kids can grow up outside the Utah bubble and we can watch them go on a more interesting adventure than staying in Utah.

Washington State University is practically in Idaho (seriously, like two miles from the Idaho border), so it's still very LDS country...and VERY rural. It's not like they are moving to Seattle. I would definitely never move to Pullman. I visited once and it's really in the middle of nowhere. Where they live now is more interesting than rural Eastern Washington.

I wonder if he applied to other schools and just didn't get in???

Man, that's disappointing. So he applied only to "LDS schools"? It seems like he'd have more success (earlier on) if he was willing to study amongst "the sinners" too...

[rosie_dalia]

Aw how exciting for Landon! As much as I disagree with all the decisions this family makes concerning his education, it is very exciting for him to get accepted. I hope they go to Washington so the kids can grow up outside the Utah bubble and we can watch them go on a more interesting adventure than staying in Utah.

Washington State University is practically in Idaho (seriously, like two miles from the Idaho border), so it's still very LDS country...and VERY rural. It's not like they are moving to Seattle. I would definitely never move to Pullman. I visited once and it's really in the middle of nowhere. Where they live now is more interesting than rural Eastern Washington.

I wonder if he applied to other schools and just didn't get in???

Man, that's disappointing. So he applied only to "LDS schools"? It seems like he'd have more success (earlier on) if he was willing to study amongst "the sinners" too...

Wazzu (as it's commonly referred to) isn't an LDS school like BYU, but it's in rural Washington. Jared Griffith (j/k) even grew up in the same area. There is a Mormon temple in Spokane. It's an LDS area, but WSU isn't quite like BYU. But Pullman is NOTHING like Seattle.

I'm guessing they go to Washington just because they won't have to pay state taxes and YTers have to pay their own taxes. They'll get a break that way.

[gopedjane]

I am shocked. I wish I could see some more of his work because what we have seen hasn’t been quality work. Appears that you just have to put the time in and show up in that field.


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[imoverit]

Aw how exciting for Landon! As much as I disagree with all the decisions this family makes concerning his education, it is very exciting for him to get accepted. I hope they go to Washington so the kids can grow up outside the Utah bubble and we can watch them go on a more interesting adventure than staying in Utah.

Washington State University is practically in Idaho (seriously, like two miles from the Idaho border), so it's still very LDS country...and VERY rural. It's not like they are moving to Seattle. I would definitely never move to Pullman. I visited once and it's really in the middle of nowhere. Where they live now is more interesting than rural Eastern Washington.

I wonder if he applied to other schools and just didn't get in???

Ah, okay, well that's disappointing haha. Still, some distance from the extended Griffiths family can't do any harm to the kids lol

[Tinkerbell22]

So they decided to stay in Utah. If he studies at BYU he can’t teach there so does that mean after he graduates he will have to teach out of state?