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ewokfan11 wrote: That really depends where you live and what you do, I suppose. Most people I know didn't even start getting married until 30 and kids even later. But I'm not Mormon.
I'm speaking purely biologically and those numbers are the same for all women, everywhere. Everyone needs to have on average 2.1 kids just to keep the human race going, so it makes sense that people have the biological impetus to get that reproduction done young when you have the best odds of producing a healthy baby, and especially it makes sense for a woman to have achieved that number by the time they reach the age where their fertility has started to decline. It's not just a Mormon thing.
WTF?? Are you insane??! The planet is already WAY overpopulated! Your math is simply FALSE!!!!! Yes, I think that IS just a Mormon thing. SMH!

Yikes, you need to GO TO COLLEGE!
Sorry, ewokfan11. I’ve noticed you’re a bit reactive in your comments and I don’t usually engage, but I feel like I need to clear some things up. The “debate” about how many kids per woman a child has to have is NOT about what women are “meant” to have, it’s a scientific standard (not about gender roles.. population rates and issues are all around the world, so maybe let’s not all blame the Mormons). You are specifically arguing about the population itself, while sb613 was talking about the fertility rate. *Theoretically*, two parents would need to have two kids to “replace” them, and if every generation of two parents had two kids our population would *theoretically* stay the same. That is a stable fertility rate of 2.0 (two children per woman). Most developed countries have a fertility rate of around 1.7-1.9 right now, including the US, which is sitting around 1.8. Fertility rates have declined for a variety of reasons in developed countries, including increased access to birth control, increased education and sex education, more women being focused on their career before/instead of a family, etc.

Even if Mormons are having 5-7 kids, our fertility RATE as a country is under the replacement rate. That being said, a quick google search tells me that Utah has the highest fertility rate in the country (besides American territories Guam and American Samoa). The 2010 fertility rate for Utah was 2.45, so even still it was not astronomically high. Astronomically high fertility rates come from sub-Saharan African countries where women have little access to birth control, education, and medical care/facilities for mothers and especially their children. Niger has a fertility rate of 7.57 due to a lack of the aforementioned resources. Children/infants are more likely to die without these resources, which is a major factor in why women in Niger have more children: they have to make sure some of their kids make it to adulthood.

Sb613 was not saying that it is a woman’s DUTY to have children to keep the “population” stable.

I am literally in a senior in college with a major that focuses heavily on population rates (environmental policy). I have done multiple research-heavy projects about this very topic. Yes, I personally agree that our planet has more people than it can sustainably support, but yelling about these Mormon YouTube families because you think they’re the problem isn’t efficient. If you’re desperately angry about the population of our world, consider the facts first (like you suggested sb613 do..) and maybe donate to a cause that supports education for women and young girls in African countries.


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littlebaby wrote: Yes, I personally agree that our planet has more people than it can sustainably support, but yelling about these Mormon YouTube families because you think they’re the problem isn’t efficient. If you’re desperately angry about the population of our world, consider the facts first (like you suggested sb613 do..) and maybe donate to a cause that supports education for women and young girls in African countries.
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No one is solely blaming Mormons for overpopulation. It's a global problem, but actually morally worse< I believe in America, because we have much larger carbon footprints than large families in India and the continent of Africa.
And we weren't trying to"solve" overpopulation by talking about how Mormons have too many babies on a gossip forum. We were talking about it in reference to Jen.


Also, yes SB613, women are able to reproduce between ages of 11 and 21. That's because when we were evolving and living in our "hunter-gatherer" years we literally NEEDED to have babies at a young age because our damn life expectancy at birth was 30 years.
That doesn't mean that just because our bodies are able to do this that it is the best to reproduce at a young age, before your body and mind are fully developed, in our present-day lives.
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ja14 wrote:You guys getting off into your scientific debate Image lol. I think everyone can agree that Mormons in general get married early because they want to have sex & they want to populate the world with Mormons. Of course, those are bad reasons. However, that doesn’t mean young marriage and having kids earlier isn’t right for some people. I was married young, had a child two years later, and will be trying for number #2 soon. I had a good job before I had my son, but decided to be a SAHM after. I’m also going to school simultaneously. It works for me and my family. We are happy.


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People are talking in generalities. It doesn't mean that _you_ were crazy to get married and have babies young. What a couple of people are talking about is the pressure put on young people in the LDS church to get married asap and start popping out babies. The Griffiths (Ellie and Ruby in particular) were having babies when they were broke. Carlie Butler is obviously unhappy, but she thinks she's "supposed" to want more babies. Shay and Colette were having babies when they were so broke that Shay was stealing toilet paper from Taco Bell.
In general, it's better to wait because you grow and change a lot between 18-25. The statistics aren't in faVor of young marriages lasting. But if you are happy, that's great. Nobody here is slamming _you_for getting married young. I hope you stay happy and have a nice long wonderful marriage. Same with Sam and Jenn.


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ja14 wrote:You guys getting off into your scientific debate Image lol. I think everyone can agree that Mormons in general get married early because they want to have sex & they want to populate the world with Mormons. Of course, those are bad reasons. However, that doesn’t mean young marriage and having kids earlier isn’t right for some people. I was married young, had a child two years later, and will be trying for number #2 soon. I had a good job before I had my son, but decided to be a SAHM after. I’m also going to school simultaneously. It works for me and my family. We are happy.


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People are talking in generalities. It doesn't mean that _you_ were crazy to get married and have babies young. What a couple of people are talking about is the pressure put on young people in the LDS church to get married asap and start popping out babies. The Griffiths (Ellie and Ruby in particular) were having babies when they were broke. Carlie Butler is obviously unhappy, but she thinks she's "supposed" to want more babies. Shay and Colette were having babies when they were so broke that Shay was stealing toilet paper from Taco Bell.
In general, it's better to wait because you grow and change a lot between 18-25. The statistics aren't in faVor of young marriages lasting. But if you are happy, that's great. Nobody here is slamming _you_for getting married young. I hope you stay happy and have a nice long wonderful marriage. Same with Sam and Jenn.


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I wasn’t offended at all!! I just don’t think we need to get in a heated debate about he ways of the world.


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Littlebaby explained my point very well, I wasn't saying anything about how many babies you should have only that this is the biological standard so to speak and I believe that as a species designed to reproduce as successfully as possible it is likely that those replacement rates are sort of engrained in our biology- which is why it is completely natural for a woman to want to have so many children. Her fertility and psychology are probably designed to self-regulate. I think it's really offensive how y'all act like the only reason these women want so many children is because they were raised that way and I think it is completely un-scientific. Some of you are saying it's insane or crazy to have more than 3, or even 6 or 7, children but its not insane at all its the most natural result of our biology and what y'all are doing where you breed less and less, while probably good for the planet, is not natural to your biology. And frankly as controversial as it is to say I don't think it's doing the world any favors when all of the well educated people are deciding not to reproduce while the less educated and less socially evolved continue to do what is natural and have many children. Littlebaby claimed that the replacement rate is 1.7 in developed countries but from what I've read it is 2.1 and it rounds to 3 in order to make up for mortality rates and boys being born slightly more frequently. In less developed countries where mortality rates are higher it is higher. There are a million factors not considered that could effect our planets carrying capacity, and overpopulation is exactly the kind of issue that has always pushed humanity to adapt and invent new things. For example if we all just agreed to be vegetarians then the population would be significantly less of a problem. Of course people won't agree to that yet were probably within decades of having lab grown meat completely identicle to real meat- and that's one random thing, adaptations like that are going to change everything about the earths carrying capacity which is I assume why scientists can't decide if were already 1 billion people too full or we could fit another 40 billion. Just saying were way overpopulated is way too simple.

Also I am not saying that girls should be breeding right after they reach puberty (but by the way we haven't always reached puberty so early, the age is declining for unknown reasons, probably has to do with the chemicals were exposed to constantly). What I am saying is that it makes perfect sense for a woman to have finished having kids when she's already 2/3rds of the way through her fertile years, already past the age where her fertility has begun to decline and closer to when she will no longer be fertile than to when she first became fertile. And yeah you can have kids at 35 or even older but it's a fact that your egg quality declines, your risks for complications increase, etc so again speaking purely biologically animals who have a drive to reproduce as successfully as possible are going to want to reproduce when their pregnancies will be easiest and most likely to produce a good quality human.

I'm not saying it's wrong to do things differently but I get sick of the way people talk about large families on this forum. You are the ones telling others that they are wrong or insane to do what they do but science says otherwise! I've looked up this stuff about it being proven that young marriage isn't good and haven't found any evidence for that either. I see that since the age of first marriage has risen divorce rates have as well. I've also found studies that show that the more previous partners a person has, the more likely they are to have a marriage end in divorce. While the divorce rates are like 50% for normal people, something like 80-90% of marriages between people who had only one or less previous partners are successful. Something that's easier to achieve when you're young.

I have 3 sons and I'm going to have probably 6-8 children or more if I have time. My family also don't put money in to resource draining electronics, products, clothes. Like many Mormons and other large families, we are living very frugally. We'll be living on a homestead soon, so our share of the resources is going to be extremely small compared to your typical family of two in America.
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Biology influences our reproductive behavior, but culture is a bigger influence. If these women were simply following biology, they would be seeking out a variety of sexual partners. The ultimate goal is to have healthy babies. We’re hardwired to be sexually attracted to people who are genetically different. Women are sexually attracted to different men when they are ovulating. I’m convinced we’d have less diseases and illnesses if people didn’t choose their partners based on cultural norms.


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Anyway, moving on....

I find it interesting to see how often Jen whinges about the kids behaviour/illness/ anything. She is so young and it’s made so obvious when it comes to her self confidence in her decision making with anything to do with the kids.

I feel like she doesn’t have that much support. Otherwise,is it just normal to play the “help me” card on social media?

A lot of youtube families seem to over stimulate their toddlers. Lot’s of extra activities, scheduled events and travel. 1) this gives lots of exposure to bugs (no wonder they’re always getting sick).
2) toddlers who expect entertainment and are not great at self soothing/self play.

This is an essential skill as kids grow and get older. And a lack of this really feeds into the technology dependant child.

Breathe. It’s ok to not have their lives scheduled out to a tee. Let them self explore without your direct input and without technological stimulation, you’ll be surprised how well your kids will cope.



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Lovethesnark wrote:Biology influences our reproductive behavior, but culture is a bigger influence. If these women were simply following biology, they would be seeking out a variety of sexual partners. The ultimate goal is to have healthy babies. We’re hardwired to be sexually attracted to people who are genetically different. Women are sexually attracted to different men when they are ovulating. I’m convinced we’d have less diseases and illnesses if people didn’t choose their partners based on cultural norms.

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Exactly. We'd be reproducing with multiple men when we ovulate because that's what it drives us to do. To find the most masculine men to give our babies better genes. That would be following our biological drives, but culture has a greater influence on how we act and behave. Just because we can produce between 11-20, doesn't mean that's the best time to do it. We're only able to because we needed to reproduce young when we were evolving and had short life expectancies.
Lastly, SB613, no one said it's better to have kids past 35? So why are you bringing up a decline in egg quality then? I think we all know that... I'm also sorry you weren't able to find the multitude of studies showing that young marriages are way less likely to last and that young mothers are not as happy as waiting a little longer. It's all out there with tons of studies.

Anyway, I agree that the kids could use less screen time. But she does take them to experiences, does arts & crafts with them, and gets them to the park frequently. SHe could up the number of times she does this with them per week, but at least she does it.
I just wish she'd be a little more stern with them. I hate the no shoes, not finishing antibiotics, and PJ's bratty behavior at times.
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Sam's niece, Kristy's daughter, Darby just turned 16! Wow! They showed a comparison photo in the vlog of her now and her when she was a toddler. She's a beautiful girl. Sam pointed out how Kristy was married at 19 and how it's so crazy to think Darby might be married in 3 years. That's insane lol. Happy Birthday, Darby! I'm excited for when the Glass girls come to spend the some of the summer with Sam and Jenn.
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Lovethesnark wrote:Biology influences our reproductive behavior, but culture is a bigger influence. If these women were simply following biology, they would be seeking out a variety of sexual partners. The ultimate goal is to have healthy babies. We’re hardwired to be sexually attracted to people who are genetically different. Women are sexually attracted to different men when they are ovulating. I’m convinced we’d have less diseases and illnesses if people didn’t choose their partners based on cultural norms.

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Exactly. We'd be reproducing with multiple men when we ovulate because that's what it drives us to do. To find the most masculine men to give our babies better genes. That would be following our biological drives, but culture has a greater influence on how we act and behave. Just because we can produce between 11-20, doesn't mean that's the best time to do it. We're only able to because we needed to reproduce young when we were evolving and had short life expectancies.
Lastly, SB613, no one said it's better to have kids past 35? So why are you bringing up a decline in egg quality then? I think we all know that... I'm also sorry you weren't able to find the multitude of studies showing that young marriages are way less likely to last and that young mothers are not as happy as waiting a little longer. It's all out there with tons of studies.

Anyway, I agree that the kids could use less screen time. But she does take them to experiences, does arts & crafts with them, and gets them to the park frequently. SHe could up the number of times she does this with them per week, but at least she does it.
I just wish she'd be a little more stern with them. I hate the no shoes, not finishing antibiotics, and PJ's bratty behavior at times.
Fertility begins to decline at age 27, not 35. So I brought it up because Jen is already past that age if she is 28 like someone had said? And if there are a multitude of studies it'd be cool if you could share one, I have looked a lot and haven't found any. I never said 11-20 was the best age to reproduce, I said closer to then than to the end of your fertile years makes heaps more sense. You're completely leaving out ages 20-27 which is when Jen had her kid's, which is like right in the middle of her fertility. Seems extremely normal, not crazy at all. Seems stupid to wait until you're already so close to the end- like when you're 26 and you've apparently finished all those important changes- to be starting
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I just loved seeing PJ chowing down on the cucumber! So many vlogger kids eat such crap. It's so nice to see a kid enjoying eating healthy!


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sb613 wrote: Fertility begins to decline at age 27, not 35. So I brought it up because Jen is already past that age if she is 28 like someone had said? And if there are a multitude of studies it'd be cool if you could share one, I have looked a lot and haven't found any. I never said 11-20 was the best age to reproduce, I said closer to then than to the end of your fertile years makes heaps more sense. You're completely leaving out ages 20-27 which is when Jen had her kid's, which is like right in the middle of her fertility. Seems extremely normal, not crazy at all. Seems stupid to wait until you're already so close to the end- like when you're 26 and you've apparently finished all those important changes- to be starting
Jen started at 22 and already on her third at 26. Yes, I think that's crazy and young to start. She was already married off at 19, one year out of high school. Crazy, to me. I brought up 11-20 because I was using it as an example that even though we are super fertile in those years, it doesn't mean that's the optimal time to have babies! We only have that ability because of our short life expectancies during the main bulk of our evolution as humans.
I was refraining from sending you links on here because it was already getting too into an anthropological debate and didn't want to further bombard people with a bunch of messy links. But literally good "why young marriages don't last" and the first two links have a bunch of statistics and explanations of why getting married after 25 makes for longer lasting marriages. (From theguardian.com and maselliwarren.com) Also, first-time moms at 25+ are, found by studies, to be happier and better mothers and their children reap the benefits. (Info can be found on psychologytoday.com and sciencedaily.com)

I didn't get into this to shame young mothers or people like Jen. People are allowed to make their own choices and marry and have kids at whatever age if they want to and to neither of those things as well! But I am also allowed to think it's crazy Jen got married at 19 and has three kids by the age of 26! Obviously, based on the studies, it's best to get married and have kids at and after 25. But not everyone wants to or is going to follow some set timeline.


Again, anyway, today's vlog was my favorite kind. When they do activities, talk about what's going on with their lives (pregnancy updates, future plans, etc.), and show home activities. PJ seemed to be in a better mood and wasn't so grumpy and whiny. I think it's easy to forget she's not even two yet because she's so tall!
And ImmomSD, I agree! Sam and Jen feed their kids a wide variety of food and don't just constantly give them junk.
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Courtney had her 2nd baby during the first week of Feb, did Sam mention it?
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pattys wrote:Courtney had her 2nd baby during the first week of Feb, did Sam mention it?
They mentioned it in passing, didn't share her name or anything else to respect her privacy.
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pattys wrote:Courtney had her 2nd baby during the first week of Feb, did Sam mention it?
No, but Jenn did. The baby's name is Charlotte! So cute!
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rdt1004 wrote:Sam's niece, Kristy's daughter, Darby just turned 16! Wow! They showed a comparison photo in the vlog of her now and her when she was a toddler. She's a beautiful girl. Sam pointed out how Kristy was married at 19 and how it's so crazy to think Darby might be married in 3 years. That's insane lol. Happy Birthday, Darby! I'm excited for when the Glass girls come to spend the some of the summer with Sam and Jenn.
too bad they privated their glass posse vlogs. i only noticed this when i was looking for their country house tour the other day.
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rdt1004 wrote:Sam's niece, Kristy's daughter, Darby just turned 16! Wow! They showed a comparison photo in the vlog of her now and her when she was a toddler. She's a beautiful girl. Sam pointed out how Kristy was married at 19 and how it's so crazy to think Darby might be married in 3 years. That's insane lol. Happy Birthday, Darby! I'm excited for when the Glass girls come to spend the some of the summer with Sam and Jenn.
too bad they privated their glass posse vlogs. i only noticed this when i was looking for their country house tour the other day.
That makes me sad, but good for Kristy I guess for no longer sharing her kids’ life on the internet.


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rdt1004 wrote:
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rdt1004 wrote:Sam's niece, Kristy's daughter, Darby just turned 16! Wow! They showed a comparison photo in the vlog of her now and her when she was a toddler. She's a beautiful girl. Sam pointed out how Kristy was married at 19 and how it's so crazy to think Darby might be married in 3 years. That's insane lol. Happy Birthday, Darby! I'm excited for when the Glass girls come to spend the some of the summer with Sam and Jenn.
too bad they privated their glass posse vlogs. i only noticed this when i was looking for their country house tour the other day.
That makes me sad, but good for Kristy I guess for no longer sharing her kids’ life on the internet.
I wonder what happened to make her do that??!!?! Hopefully nothing bad happened to her kids because of the vlogs!! It's one thing to stop vlogging, but to remove/private all the old ones too??? That's really strange.
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She had video of Pippa (the youngest-- that's Pippa, right?) half naked in at least one vlog. The one where she makes the Olaf costume for her-- she shows Pippa putting it on, and shows her in just her underwear and no shirt. Hopefully nothing happened, but I wouldn't be surprised. There are way too many creepy people out there.


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It could be because Kristy is busy with her knitting channel now.
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