Joan & John: Buy my crap and pay my Bills | Part #4

[FlowersTar 68]

Isn't this exactly what posters on here have "joked" about? That there'll be a place at graduation for Maeve, Vera will have to drag that fox into any of her celebrations, achievements etc. We mocked, but sadly, and scarily they're coming true.
I didn't like that "glaringly obvious" comment either. She is so disturbed. Poor poor Vera.

[FlowersTar 68]

Again, sorry for the double post! Lol
This is ridiculous.

[marshmallowfluf]

Again, sorry for the double post! Lol
This is ridiculous.

Wow! I’ll bet she wont let Vera use Maeve’s letter board when she ACTUALLY starts pre-k because its MAEVE’S!!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[imnotaregularmom]

But for real why is she still putting that child in a sleep sack to sleep?!

[Edenberry]

But for real why is she still putting that child in a sleep sack to sleep?!

Because Maeve never got to grow up so neither does Vera

[lmmomSD]

Is she going to go to the local high school and try to make them make a seat for Maeve at graduation, with the picture on it? Or post pictures of "prom night" with a sad little wrist corsage next to the picture?

I find myself really hoping IVF fails. They don't need another child. She needs a tougher therapist.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[Bored2018]

John, you read here. Get your wife some help! THIS IS NOT NORMAL!!!! She needs professional help!! Refuse to give her your sperm until she gets help!! (Or do they still have embryos left and are using those? I can’t remember.) Either way, GET HER HELP BOFORE BRINGING MORE CHILDREN INTO THIS!!!!

[FlowersTar 68]

Or post pictures of "prom night" with a sad little wrist corsage next to the picture?

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Now that is scary, I really think she would!

[GGF1987]

yall are really giving joan a hard time..
this whole thread is basically about maeve and how joan doesnt appreciate vera. honestly get over yourselves. yall are just searching for drama if youre gonna insult a mothers grief.

I generally don’t feed trolls, but I’m feeling generous today.

Your newbie status, paired with your comment history is suspect. To find this thread, you’d have to know where to look. Pair that with the actual truth that this thread encompasses more than “just Maeve”, and I’m left with a conclusion that you might know Joan personally.

So here’s my professional “how to adult successfully” tip... see something you don’t like? Keep scrolling.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

woah woah, this is clear proof of how outrageous this thread has become. do you hear yourself? i am NOT related to joan by any means. i made my account about a week about to contribute to colleen ballinger gossip i came across this thread while looking through ellie and jareds. i love gossip and i love contributing gossip, but some just get extremely outrageous and need to be called out. most things said here about joan are true, but honestly yall are getting a little obsessive. just leave them be, it doesnt really make sense why yall invest in such a small page. i think kkandbabyj drama is way more entertaining they so funny up in there! this shit is just sad. grow up and let joan live the way she wants

I used to really like Joan and I still feel terrible for her loss and for what she went through.

But Joan has shown on many occasions she isn't mentally right and that she has zero empathy for anyone else and she's not above using her her sob story over and over and over to take money from people under the pretense of using it for one thing and then not doing. She's always making comments about how her pain is worse than others. She has awarded herself the title of judge of the pain Olympics and she always awards herself the gold, silver, and bronze, while judging other people's pain and telling them they don't have the right to feel the way they feel about whatever is in their life because she's had it worse. She's taken money for a book, she never wrote. She's now raising more money for IVF after saying just a few months ago that the money she raised was enough to cover it and now suddenly it isn't. She claims to donate money but never says how much or does anything to prove that money she took from other people is actually being donated anywhere but to her bank account. She multiple times used her Instagram to gripe about her husband and to gripe about how he is as a father. She threw him under the bus and posted all about a huge fight they had all over social media a few weeks ago. She is neither healthy nor is she a good person. She uses and abuses everyone in her life.

My biggest issue though is that I am worried for Vera. She doesn't see Vera for Vera. She doesn't treat Vera as her own person, she treats Vera as nothing but Maeve's little sister. She can't celebrate any milestone in Vera's life without bringing up Maeve. She can't even take her to the flipping beach without bringing a bag along that say's "Maeve's Mom" and putting it in the pictures with her. She couldn't even give Vera a first birthday party with a cute little theme that was about her, it had to be rainbow theme because once again her loss and her pain is more important than Vera and her milestones. Vera has no idea what is going on now but she will eventually and never being able to be her own person and always having to do this that or the other for a sister she's never met and who never lived at all, is going to do nothing but screw her up. Is she going to have to take back to school pictures every year with Maeve's board? Where does it end and how is it fair to put that on a child?

It's clear that Joan thought Vera would fill this hole and fix her problems and that's not what happened and so now she's going to try to bring another child into this situation. Joan went through something horrible and she's entitled to her grief. But there is healthy way to handle that grief and she's never gotten the mental help she needs to get to that point. She is still back there 4 years ago when Maeve first died and that's not healthy for her or John or most importantly for Vera. It makes me just as mad at John that he's turned a blind eye to it and is letting his daughter be treated the way Joan treats her and lets his daughter see the way Joan treats him and that he is allowing her to try to bring another child into this mess. Vera doesn't need a sibling. She needs her mother to get healthy and she needs a father who will stand up for her and push for that to happen.

[lmmomSD]

I generally don’t feed trolls, but I’m feeling generous today.

Your newbie status, paired with your comment history is suspect. To find this thread, you’d have to know where to look. Pair that with the actual truth that this thread encompasses more than “just Maeve”, and I’m left with a conclusion that you might know Joan personally.

So here’s my professional “how to adult successfully” tip... see something you don’t like? Keep scrolling.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

woah woah, this is clear proof of how outrageous this thread has become. do you hear yourself? i am NOT related to joan by any means. i made my account about a week about to contribute to colleen ballinger gossip i came across this thread while looking through ellie and jareds. i love gossip and i love contributing gossip, but some just get extremely outrageous and need to be called out. most things said here about joan are true, but honestly yall are getting a little obsessive. just leave them be, it doesnt really make sense why yall invest in such a small page. i think kkandbabyj drama is way more entertaining they so funny up in there! this shit is just sad. grow up and let joan live the way she wants

I used to really like Joan and I still feel terrible for her loss and for what she went through.

But Joan has shown on many occasions she isn't mentally right and that she has zero empathy for anyone else and she's not above using her her sob story over and over and over to take money from people under the pretense of using it for one thing and then not doing. She's always making comments about how her pain is worse than others. She has awarded herself the title of judge of the pain Olympics and she always awards herself the gold, silver, and bronze, while judging other people's pain and telling them they don't have the right to feel the way they feel about whatever is in their life because she's had it worse. She's taken money for a book, she never wrote. She's now raising more money for IVF after saying just a few months ago that the money she raised was enough to cover it and now suddenly it isn't. She claims to donate money but never says how much or does anything to prove that money she took from other people is actually being donated anywhere but to her bank account. She multiple times used her Instagram to gripe about her husband and to gripe about how he is as a father. She threw him under the bus and posted all about a huge fight they had all over social media a few weeks ago. She is neither healthy nor is she a good person. She uses and abuses everyone in her life.

My biggest issue though is that I am worried for Vera. She doesn't see Vera for Vera. She doesn't treat Vera as her own person, she treats Vera as nothing but Maeve's little sister. She can't celebrate any milestone in Vera's life without bringing up Maeve. She can't even take her to the flipping beach without bringing a bag along that say's "Maeve's Mom" and putting it in the pictures with her. She couldn't even give Vera a first birthday party with a cute little theme that was about her, it had to be rainbow theme because once again her loss and her pain is more important than Vera and her milestones. Vera has no idea what is going on now but she will eventually and never being able to be her own person and always having to do this that or the other for a sister she's never met and who never lived at all, is going to do nothing but screw her up. Is she going to have to take back to school pictures every year with Maeve's board? Where does it end and how is it fair to put that on a child?

It's clear that Joan thought Vera would fill this hole and fix her problems and that's not what happened and so now she's going to try to bring another child into this situation. Joan went through something horrible and she's entitled to her grief. But there is healthy way to handle that grief and she's never gotten the mental help she needs to get to that point. She is still back there 4 years ago when Maeve first died and that's not healthy for her or John or most importantly for Vera. It makes me just as mad at John that he's turned a blind eye to it and is letting his daughter be treated the way Joan treats her and lets his daughter see the way Joan treats him and that he is allowing her to try to bring another child into this mess. Vera doesn't need a sibling. She needs her mother to get healthy and she needs a father who will stand up for her and push for that to happen.

THIS!!!
You brought up a really good point about her relationship with John. If he's such a terrible father who doesn't do anything right, WHY is she trying so hard to have another child with him?
You expressed what most of us feel so perfectly.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[SassySassenach]

Again, sorry for the double post! Lol
This is ridiculous.

I may be in the minority on this, but I can’t stand the term “loss mom”. When we create this grief construct & lock people into it, how will they ever get out of that?

Joan is literally defining her life with loss, and unfortunately she is surrounding herself with people who enable that behavior. It’s not healthy & I doubt she’s even seeing a counselor anymore. You would think with her history, the IVF people would make a mental health screening a requirement.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[GGF1987]

woah woah, this is clear proof of how outrageous this thread has become. do you hear yourself? i am NOT related to joan by any means. i made my account about a week about to contribute to colleen ballinger gossip i came across this thread while looking through ellie and jareds. i love gossip and i love contributing gossip, but some just get extremely outrageous and need to be called out. most things said here about joan are true, but honestly yall are getting a little obsessive. just leave them be, it doesnt really make sense why yall invest in such a small page. i think kkandbabyj drama is way more entertaining they so funny up in there! this shit is just sad. grow up and let joan live the way she wants

I used to really like Joan and I still feel terrible for her loss and for what she went through.

But Joan has shown on many occasions she isn't mentally right and that she has zero empathy for anyone else and she's not above using her her sob story over and over and over to take money from people under the pretense of using it for one thing and then not doing. She's always making comments about how her pain is worse than others. She has awarded herself the title of judge of the pain Olympics and she always awards herself the gold, silver, and bronze, while judging other people's pain and telling them they don't have the right to feel the way they feel about whatever is in their life because she's had it worse. She's taken money for a book, she never wrote. She's now raising more money for IVF after saying just a few months ago that the money she raised was enough to cover it and now suddenly it isn't. She claims to donate money but never says how much or does anything to prove that money she took from other people is actually being donated anywhere but to her bank account. She multiple times used her Instagram to gripe about her husband and to gripe about how he is as a father. She threw him under the bus and posted all about a huge fight they had all over social media a few weeks ago. She is neither healthy nor is she a good person. She uses and abuses everyone in her life.

My biggest issue though is that I am worried for Vera. She doesn't see Vera for Vera. She doesn't treat Vera as her own person, she treats Vera as nothing but Maeve's little sister. She can't celebrate any milestone in Vera's life without bringing up Maeve. She can't even take her to the flipping beach without bringing a bag along that say's "Maeve's Mom" and putting it in the pictures with her. She couldn't even give Vera a first birthday party with a cute little theme that was about her, it had to be rainbow theme because once again her loss and her pain is more important than Vera and her milestones. Vera has no idea what is going on now but she will eventually and never being able to be her own person and always having to do this that or the other for a sister she's never met and who never lived at all, is going to do nothing but screw her up. Is she going to have to take back to school pictures every year with Maeve's board? Where does it end and how is it fair to put that on a child?

It's clear that Joan thought Vera would fill this hole and fix her problems and that's not what happened and so now she's going to try to bring another child into this situation. Joan went through something horrible and she's entitled to her grief. But there is healthy way to handle that grief and she's never gotten the mental help she needs to get to that point. She is still back there 4 years ago when Maeve first died and that's not healthy for her or John or most importantly for Vera. It makes me just as mad at John that he's turned a blind eye to it and is letting his daughter be treated the way Joan treats her and lets his daughter see the way Joan treats him and that he is allowing her to try to bring another child into this mess. Vera doesn't need a sibling. She needs her mother to get healthy and she needs a father who will stand up for her and push for that to happen.

THIS!!!
You brought up a really good point about her relationship with John. If he's such a terrible father who doesn't do anything right, WHY is she trying so hard to have another child with him?
You expressed what most of us feel so perfectly.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

She's still searching for a quick fix for issues. I can't help but wonder with how bad she represents their relationship online, how much worse is it behind closed doors? I have a feeling it's worse than any of us could imagine.

[FlowersTar 68]

Again, sorry for the double post! Lol
This is ridiculous.

I may be in the minority on this, but I can’t stand the term “loss mom”. When we create this grief construct & lock people into it, how will they ever get out of that?

Joan is literally defining her life with loss, and unfortunately she is surrounding herself with people who enable that behavior. It’s not healthy & I doubt she’s even seeing a counselor anymore. You would think with her history, the IVF people would make a mental health screening a requirement.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Exactly, say if you were a small child and you lost both parents you wouldn't define yourself as an orphan forever would you?

[Edenberry]

Do you all think John even knows she told the world about the freezer incident and how fed up with his behavior she was? How degrading to a husband and how disrespectful to a spouse. It's extremely immature and childish behavior on her part and extremely one sided from her point of view. I don't even want to know what that house is like off camera.

[marshmallowfluf]

Do you all think John even knows she told the world about the freezer incident and how fed up with his behavior she was? How degrading to a husband and how disrespectful to a spouse. It's extremely immature and childish behavior on her part and extremely one sided from her point of view. I don't even want to know what that house is like off camera.

He used to defend Joan when people would talk about how crazy she was. Now I think he sees what everyone else sees. Joan doesnt post about him nearly as much as she used to either. I dont see them lasting much longer if she doesnt get some help.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[SlibbidyDew]

From the jewelry page: "My employee of the month checking that the packages are sealed extra tight
Only ten mustard seed necklaces left. Your purchase will be helping us this November/December when we do our frozen embryo transfer. I am praying with my whole heart that we get at least one perfect embryo.
I was talking with John last night about it all.
We always wanted two children.
The thought that we are trying for number three is very emotional. Obviously in a perfect world we would have Maeve and Vera here.
But as we all know life sometimes isn’t fair.
This third baby will be conceived in love by an even bigger team than Vera’s. Because of Maeve’s life and death our third baby is a wish in our hearts that started as a whisper and is now as loud as thunder.
I hope this ivf is as successful as Vera’s was"

The third?????????Just stop.

[justkidding]

From the jewelry page: "My employee of the month checking that the packages are sealed extra tight
Only ten mustard seed necklaces left. Your purchase will be helping us this November/December when we do our frozen embryo transfer. I am praying with my whole heart that we get at least one perfect embryo.
I was talking with John last night about it all.
We always wanted two children.
The thought that we are trying for number three is very emotional. Obviously in a perfect world we would have Maeve and Vera here.
But as we all know life sometimes isn’t fair.
This third baby will be conceived in love by an even bigger team than Vera’s. Because of Maeve’s life and death our third baby is a wish in our hearts that started as a whisper and is now as loud as thunder.
I hope this ivf is as successful as Vera’s was"

The third?????????Just stop.

I don’t watch them at all. If what everyone on here says is actually what Joan does, she clearly has some challenges with telling the difference between Maeve, who she lost at birth and Vera who is alive and well.

However if she gets pregnant again, it will be their third child. Maeve existed. She felt her move, she heard her heartbeat, she held her stillborn body and wept. Yes another child would be her third but Maeve ought to hold a different place in their hearts and memories from their living children. There should be times her emotions would be extremely intense about losing Maeve but she ought to be actively parenting her living kids.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[marshmallowfluf]

From the jewelry page: "My employee of the month checking that the packages are sealed extra tight
Only ten mustard seed necklaces left. Your purchase will be helping us this November/December when we do our frozen embryo transfer. I am praying with my whole heart that we get at least one perfect embryo.
I was talking with John last night about it all.
We always wanted two children.
The thought that we are trying for number three is very emotional. Obviously in a perfect world we would have Maeve and Vera here.
But as we all know life sometimes isn’t fair.
This third baby will be conceived in love by an even bigger team than Vera’s. Because of Maeve’s life and death our third baby is a wish in our hearts that started as a whisper and is now as loud as thunder.
I hope this ivf is as successful as Vera’s was"

The third?????????Just stop.

Why does she not ever mention the miscarriage that she had between Maeve and Vera? If she is really going to keep track this will be her 4th.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[lmmomSD]

From the jewelry page: "My employee of the month checking that the packages are sealed extra tight
Only ten mustard seed necklaces left. Your purchase will be helping us this November/December when we do our frozen embryo transfer. I am praying with my whole heart that we get at least one perfect embryo.
I was talking with John last night about it all.
We always wanted two children.
The thought that we are trying for number three is very emotional. Obviously in a perfect world we would have Maeve and Vera here.
But as we all know life sometimes isn’t fair.
This third baby will be conceived in love by an even bigger team than Vera’s. Because of Maeve’s life and death our third baby is a wish in our hearts that started as a whisper and is now as loud as thunder.
I hope this ivf is as successful as Vera’s was"

The third?????????Just stop.

Why does she not ever mention the miscarriage that she had between Maeve and Vera? If she is really going to keep track this will be her 4th.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That's what I was thinking! Didn't it even have a name? Sweet pea? Peanut? Something like that. So, yeah, it's actually 4. Didn't they bury it under Maeve's tree and spend the weekend in bed sharing her pain pills and valium?
Actually a little surprised that the Queen of Pain leaves that one out.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

[Kataja]

Again, sorry for the double post! Lol
This is ridiculous.

I may be in the minority on this, but I can’t stand the term “loss mom”. When we create this grief construct & lock people into it, how will they ever get out of that?

Joan is literally defining her life with loss, and unfortunately she is surrounding herself with people who enable that behavior. It’s not healthy & I doubt she’s even seeing a counselor anymore. You would think with her history, the IVF people would make a mental health screening a requirement.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Exactly, say if you were a small child and you lost both parents you wouldn't define yourself as an orphan forever would you?

Actually, I probably would. Being orphan is way more traumatizing (if we are playing Joan's game of pain Olympics) than being an adult not having a child. An adult has way more coping and survival mechanisms than a vulnerable child. The child who grows up without parents (even if they had good foster parents), will grow up drastically different than child with parents. That difference impacts growing child's entire the personality, because the child is still growing and creating its own personality and identity.

An adult who is a ''loss'' mom, should already had grown up and created a personality and identity. That loss will take part of it, but will not mold that person into totally something else.

I hope you understood my meaning. I'm not the best at explaining things.