8 Passengers | Part One

[WhatSheSaid]

I don't see how Emily is completely different, in a recent vlog while Evie was playing with Henry, Emily said "Ohh! She needs a sister!" even though Ruby has stated many times that she's doesn't doesn't want to have more kids.

Emily puts a ton of time in with her kids! They do all kinds of kearning and sensory projects together, it's almost unreal. She talks and actively listens to Kate and encourages Henry. If you haven't seen their Christmas vlog, have a look. She found all kinds of really cool stuff for both kids. My very favorite vlog is the one when Kate and Beau are walking to church, Kate cracked me up completely. I couldn't believe what I was hearing coming out of her mouth! It's subtitled and I couldn't keep from smiling.

Ruby says a lot of things, maybe Emily has never heard her say six is her limit. Even if she's heard it, it doesn't mean that Eve doesn't need a sister. She needs something. Generally speaking, I love and respect children. Even so, there are some that I'd not have in my care for even 20 minutes time. Eve is one of those children as is Ollie.

[actuallydear]

So does Ruby blanket train her kids?

[staceymj]

I assume she does. Bonnie does, I saw in a vlog the other sah that Julie does too. Ruby seems like the type to blanket train. She seems strict and she seems to really like structure and her kids to be well behaved all the time. Eve gets away with more than the others ever did, I think.

[chs6213]

I'd be shocked if she didn't do some form of blanket training.

So her story in the vlog about picking up food from Panda Express at the mall and Evie being near the carousel outside of the Panda Express... Evie is two, it would be so easy to lose sight of her for the quickest moment then not be able to find her again. The thought of that terrifies me. Maybe Utah is generally a pretty safe place but bad things happen everywhere, no matter how much you love God.


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[missparzival]

I just googled it because I'd never heard of blanket training. That is awful! Children are not animals. Hell even animals shouldn't be treated like that.


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[WhatSheSaid]

I absolutely agree with you, I just love Kate and I'm subscribed to her channel. She is such a clever little girl! She keeps me on my toes like no other. Even when she isn't talking, she is bursting with personality. I didn't know Emily was committed to only 2 children, it's good to know. Thanks!

Yeah, I'm subscribed as well to Kate's channel. I also love how tgey *translate* for Henry. In one of their Q&A's the question was how many children they wanted. Beau wants 5 but Emily only wants 2 and seemed pretty vehement about that.

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I'm thinking that the reason Kate is allowed to speak her mind, even to say "Daddy isn't a good vlogger" or raise her voice and declare "Now I'm TICKED!" likely lies with her mother's encouragement and support. She in no way patronizes Kate or does she babytalk her. Emily is in a traditional SAHM role, but she's not beholden to Jennifer, nor does she pretend to be. Upon receiving a pistol at Christmas, with a deadpan expression she simply said "Thank you" to Jennifer. So to me, Emily is the reason that Kate and Henry have very real chances for a bright future.

And since we're on Ruby's thread, I may as well say that I don't like the fact that she babytalks Russell and Eve, Shari seems to be the only happy kid in the bunch. I suspect it's because Ruby thinks so highly of her. Ruby tends to care about her feelings and be supportive of her. Julie and Abby seem somber and pretty much over-looked. I like Chad a lot, but Ruby doesn't seem to appreciate him or at all ready to cheer him on in his endeavors. I don't often watch anymore though at first I could more or less relate to Ruby as she seemed genuine.

[aprilfromengland]

Ruby's speech about don't judge me for being a bad parent unless you have 6 kids speech... (can't remember exact words but was along them lines)

I just can't deal with this women, she's a fake, phoney, try hard. If she put as much effort into her family as into trying to become the next biggest YouTube I think her kids would be very happy.

[Hotpink_dancer91]

I was happy to see that Chad was learning all of his states and capitals (5th grade standard) but then came the part about how he had to mark where all of the Mormon churches were in the U.S. I know reciting and reading scripture is also a big part of his homeschooling day.

The siblings are in public school, is that right? Are there private/parochial schools that are Mormon? Seems the Frankes would want their kids in those kind of schools. Near me, most parochial schools are Lutheran or Catholic (I'm in a Chicago suburb.) so I am just wondering.

In Utah the public schools are majority Mormon in most districts.

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Thanks, but since public schools don't teach religion, are there a lot of private schools that teach Mormonism?

I am a Mormon that lives in Utah. I actually like a few mins away from 8 passengers home town. The schools here have a certain class for Mormon students when they are in 9th-12th grade. It's included in one of the class periods and is in a church building on school property.


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[WhatSheSaid]

I believe Sarah was making a reference to the separation of church and state. So why are public schools, even in Mormon districts, teaching kids where all the Mormon temples are located throughout the United States? Or perhaps they aren't and Ruby is supplementing the public school material?

[liz749]

I believe Sarah was making a reference to the separation of church and state. So why are public schools, even in Mormon districts, teaching kids where all the Mormon temples are located throughout the United States? Or perhaps they aren't and Ruby is supplementing the public school material?

Homeschool parents can teach whatever they want. Some parents even "unschool" where they let he child decide what they want to learn (that's essentially abuse in my mind as they are setting their children up for complete failure but that's another topic). I believe it varies among states but I think they have to adhere to some general core standards and maybe take some standardized tests but other wise they are free to teach whatever they want aka Mormon things. That is definitely not typical public school work. Homeschool also takes way less time than normal school so you can fill in with extra topics of your choice. A good portion of homeschoolers do so for religious reasons (ie they want to teach creationism over the Big Bang theory or spend time studying religious texts in stead of classic...you get the point. I don't know how knowing all the temples is going to help in life but to each their own... Also on another note, they science book they were using said it was good for second to fifth graders and ruby stated she was learning along with him. The lesson she showed was VERY basic. Science is hugely important, especially if Chad wants a STEM job one day and I feel like doing second grade science projects because ruby doesn't know anything about chemistry is very unfair and holding him back.


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[staceymj]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I think that you should have some form of teaching degree to homeschool your children. Education is the most important part of childhood because it sets you up for the rest of your life and if you don't know or understand elementary school subjects than you have no business teaching your child. That's what teachers are for, that's why they study and get a degree.
I wouldn't homeschool my kids because I am fully aware that I struggle a lot with mathematics, even basic maths. I'm not going to risk my kids education like that. It holds them back.

[nutbagmcgee]

Julie got a bed and bedding to share with her sister (that she specifically said she didn't want) some socks and a frozen stationary set.

Chad got a special dinner out with his dad, 2 pair for expensive shoes, sheets, a Lego set and an entire Boy Scouts uniform and book.

How is that even fair or even close enough to be fair? I always thought Chad is the least favorite but now I'm leaning towards Julie and Abby. Poor kids!

[meganshay]

I believe Sarah was making a reference to the separation of church and state. So why are public schools, even in Mormon districts, teaching kids where all the Mormon temples are located throughout the United States? Or perhaps they aren't and Ruby is supplementing the public school material?

There is a separation between church and state but public schools can only teach about religion in secular context.

Assuming that these schools are public and not private, they should not be preaching/teaching religion. Are we sure these schools aren't affiliated with the church? Our church has class up to 12th grade... and it is very similar to a public school.

The school doesn't look like a Mormon school but you never know since the majority of their population is Mormon in Utah.

It's so hard to explain but Utah is it's own world. It's totally the norm to have seminary as part of your school day. While there is a separation on paper SO MANY families are LDS the church has a firm foot in the schools. Heck, schools have been caught photoshopping sleeves on to girls in the yearbook!

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[Nini12]

I'm glad that Chad got some nice presents for his birthday, he is so patient with his younger siblings and his cousins but at the same time it made me remember how poorly planned were Julie's bday gifts.

[staceymj]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I think that you should have some form of teaching degree to homeschool your children. Education is the most important part of childhood because it sets you up for the rest of your life and if you don't know or understand elementary school subjects than you have no business teaching your child. That's what teachers are for, that's why they study and get a degree.
I wouldn't homeschool my kids because I am fully aware that I struggle a lot with mathematics, even basic maths. I'm not going to risk my kids education like that. It holds them back.

I agree!

If I am being honest, I don't think Chad is learning much judging from what she shows us. She puts an emphasis on religion, which is fine but he suffers because if she doesn't feel like doing math because she has too much laundry, she sits him down for art class instead.

You know what I mean? It doesn't seem like he has a consistent curriculum. It is possible that he is doing well in all of his classes and understanding the material and he doesn't need a strict curriculum but IDK. I just... IDK.

Yeah, I agree with you. I think if you're going to homeschool than you need to have a strict schedule to make sure you're spending enough time on each subject. If some of your chores suffer because of it, than who cares? Laundry can wait, it'll be there later. I think she uses Chad a lot for chores and babysitting duties now he's at home and not at school too. I really don't think he's spending adequate time on his subjects, like you said she just gets him to do artwork or practice his music instead.

[phie20]

I know Eve's just a little kid, but she annoys me... just like her mother lol. Probably going to take a little break from watching.

Chad is a great sport and has friends at school that he misses (if I remember correctly), so he should definitely return back to school.

[kingoflove21vher]

Why would Chad return to school and have friends when he can be Ruby's FREE babysitter!

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[liz749]

So ruby has vaguely mentioned that Chad is homeschooled because of behavior issues. Could anyone elaborate on what those issues are? I know we see very little of them but he seems like such a polite and well mannered kid and he is always so patient with his siblings. I just don't see him doing anything grave enough to warrant pulling him out of school for a year! If anything, it's Eve who has some serious behavior issues. Maybe ruby could have devoted more time to her this year if she wasn't homeschooling.


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[ohmygoshyouguys]

So ruby has vaguely mentioned that Chad is homeschooled because of behavior issues. Could anyone elaborate on what those issues are? I know we see very little of them but he seems like such a polite and well mannered kid and he is always so patient with his siblings. I just don't see him doing anything grave enough to warrant pulling him out of school for a year! If anything, it's Eve who has some serious behavior issues. Maybe ruby could have devoted more time to her this year if she wasn't homeschooling.


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I got the vibe he was super social and maybe disruptive in class. But she didn't elaborate much. Chad is my favorite in that family. I think he's incredibly mature for a barely 11 year old.

Honesty, eve bugs me too. I feel bad saying that but she doesn't seem as cute to me as ruby wants her to.

I thought the filming in the hospital when eve was crying was dumb. Put the camera down and deal with the kids.

[aprilfromengland]

Notice how Eve got all the camera time in the hospital too. Eve is showing massive behavioural problem red flags. It's so weird to me that shari, Chad Russell and Eve feature a tonne more than Abby and Julie. If somebody told me ruby had 4 kids and Abby and Julie were the neighbours kids who come over once a week of believe them, so strange they are always forgotten.