John and Joan,The bold and the pregnant || Part 2 ||

[Mk1]

Didn’t Ellie say Dean was on their list for baby #3? I wonder if she knew that was Joan’s boy name and that was another passive aggressive Ellie move about having to share the spotlight (with Joan uploading pregnancy updates the same day as her) and compete in the pain Olympics with Joan by announcing that was a name they are really liking (can’t remember which vlog that was). (Wouldn’t surprise me). Dean isn’t a super popular name.

[MommaLindsey2]

Why would Joan just assume she would get payed maternity leave? I have never met anyone who got payed leave in the United states although I’m sure some companies do it. If Joan only works 4.5 days a week she wouldnt qualify even if her company provided it, usually only full time employees get it if any. I had to use my vacation days and then save up the best I could. I only got 6 weeks, I’m glad I work from home now. She always sounds so entitled whenever she talks about anything.

I’m glad she is making jewelry this time instead of making a go fund me. Hopefully she’s not making junk and ripping off her “fans”


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[Amelia322]

Yup I definitely agree, I don’t think she put in enough hours last year for her leave to be paid. Boooohooo.

It’s sad that she will get so much attention and pity with her story because it is a very sad story. No one is going to be honest or rude to her because of how sensitive subject it is. She’s using it to her advantage! And it’s disgusting!!

Her true colors are showing! Saying she screams in grief every day has to be bull. Or she’s really off her rocker.

Ugh she’s manipulating people so bad it’s disgusting!!!


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[endellion]

I hate the way they try to throw her employer under the bus. She says she doesn't want to go into detail about it but basically lays it all out on the table in not one but two videos, the second one with John chiming in about how awful it is. This is a small company that can't be expected to provide the same benefits as a large multinational corporation. Especially for a part time employee. I think they've been very accommodating by letting her put up the photo of her dead baby in the room where mothers of newborns have to see it and by allowing her to bringing her dog to work. And John saying he may have to work 60 hours a week now, like that's abnormal. I've worked 60 hours a week without paid overtime at small businesses just to prove my worth and keep my job.

[marshmallowfluf]

It stood out to me when john said the maternity leave is the only reason she has kept that job. She had to chime in and say “well, because i love it there too”.. It sounds to me like john wants her to find a better job but she has been finding reasons to stay at the bead shop..

[Caisflame]

I haven't followed these people too much, I just watch the occasional video here and there. I find them too cringey to watch often. What does John do for work?

[endellion]

I hate the way they try to throw her employer under the bus. She says she doesn't want to go into detail about it but basically lays it all out on the table in not one but two videos, the second one with John chiming in about how awful it is. This is a small company that can't be expected to provide the same benefits as a large multinational corporation. Especially for a part time employee. I think they've been very accommodating by letting her put up the photo of her dead baby in the room where mothers of newborns have to see it and by allowing her to bringing her dog to work. And John saying he may have to work 60 hours a week now, like that's abnormal. I've worked 60 hours a week without paid overtime at small businesses just to prove my worth and keep my job.

Yeeeesssss! Everything in here is so true. They’ve already bent over backwards for her and she goes online and makes a video for what 14,000 people to see?! If I were her boss she’d be fired. I was always told not to speak negatively of your job especially ONLINE. I honestly already think it’s creepy they have the pic in there for moms to stare at while they pump, like some weird reminder that they have it soooo good. This lady is something else. She’s one of those people I can’t stand to watch but I watch to keep up with the drama

Yeah it's creepy, weird and not appropriate for a professional environment. If I were her employer I'd be looking for any way to get rid of her, especially if I saw the videos of her whining. She sounds like a lot of trouble for a part-time bead shop worker. It's not like she's a hard to replace highly skilled professional.

[GymChick]

Also... as much as Joan annoys me lately....the US maternity system pisses me off for you guys for sure. 6 weeks and back at work? Last pregnancy I still had to use my peri-bottle and had an infection after severe tearing. It’s so backwards to separate a newborn and the mom at 6 weeks. Boggles my mind TBH. Curious to see if PPD rates are higher in countries with shitty maternity benefits. If we lived in the states I would be the one going back to work as the “bread winner” and my husband would have to sacrifice his career to take care of the infant at home.


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Does it vary by company? Because Christina from Ant & Christina had 3 months of maternity leave which seems excessive to me

I think in the states it varies on your contract/collective agreement, vacation/sick time ect. But 3 months isn’t excessive? Canada we get 12-18 months which is perfect. I’m taking 12 months.


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[GymChick]

Also... as much as Joan annoys me lately....the US maternity system pisses me off for you guys for sure. 6 weeks and back at work? Last pregnancy I still had to use my peri-bottle and had an infection after severe tearing. It’s so backwards to separate a newborn and the mom at 6 weeks. Boggles my mind TBH. Curious to see if PPD rates are higher in countries with shitty maternity benefits. If we lived in the states I would be the one going back to work as the “bread winner” and my husband would have to sacrifice his career to take care of the infant at home.


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Except even in Canada you don’t qualify for benefits if you only work part-time.

It’s possible Joan qualified with Maeve because she had been full-time consistently the year prior.

Also, the way she kept calling it “medical leave” made it sound to me like she was trying to go off early and they told her “fine, but you aren’t getting paid.”


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You still get maternity leave if your part time, as long as you have worked 600 hours since the last time you were on employment insurance you qualify for pregnancy EI. The government just averages out your best 22 weeks worked in a 52 week period and bases your hours off of that and gives you 60% your wage off that average. I’m part time, but work lots of hours so I know I’ll get The maximum EI payment for 12 months and then with my collective agreement my employer will average out my last 28 weeks works and give me 84% on top of the EI 60% for first 6 months.



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[HelloSweetie]

Also... as much as Joan annoys me lately....the US maternity system pisses me off for you guys for sure. 6 weeks and back at work? Last pregnancy I still had to use my peri-bottle and had an infection after severe tearing. It’s so backwards to separate a newborn and the mom at 6 weeks. Boggles my mind TBH. Curious to see if PPD rates are higher in countries with shitty maternity benefits. If we lived in the states I would be the one going back to work as the “bread winner” and my husband would have to sacrifice his career to take care of the infant at home.


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Except even in Canada you don’t qualify for benefits if you only work part-time.

It’s possible Joan qualified with Maeve because she had been full-time consistently the year prior.

Also, the way she kept calling it “medical leave” made it sound to me like she was trying to go off early and they told her “fine, but you aren’t getting paid.”


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You still get maternity leave if your part time, as long as you have worked 600 hours since the last time you were on employment insurance you qualify for pregnancy EI. The government just averages out your best 22 weeks worked in a 52 week period and bases your hours off of that and gives you 60% your wage off that average. I’m part time, but work lots of hours so I know I’ll get The maximum EI payment for 12 months and then with my collective agreement my employer will average out my last 28 weeks works and give me 84% on top of the EI 60% for first 6 months.



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I know how it works, I’ve done it twice . This wouldn’t apply to someone like Joan though. I don’t see her doing vacation coverage/OT and working more often some weeks than others for 60% to average out to a reg weeks pay. She also has a minimum wage unskilled type job, and those jobs here in Canada don’t tend to offer a “top up” of any kind. Even in Canada she wouldn’t be looking at year off at full pay.


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[lmmomSD]

It stood out to me when john said the maternity leave is the only reason she has kept that job. She had to chime in and say “well, because i love it there too”.. It sounds to me like john wants her to find a better job but she has been finding reasons to stay at the bead shop..

And she stays because they bend over backwards for her. If she's feeling sad, they let her go home. She tells customers about her sad story, and they put up with that. They let her bring her dog, and basically handle her with kid gloves. Nowhere else would spoil a part time employee that way.

And yes, Queentee, maternity leave (paid) does vary by the company. Some companies have very liberal policies. Others make you use up all your sick time and vacation.

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[YTIUH]

I wouldn’t be surprised if her employer recently updated the employee policies to specifically say “no children of employees allowed during parents’ shifts”

[HelloSweetie]

I wouldn’t be surprised if her employer recently updated the employee policies to specifically say “no children of employees allowed during parents’ shifts”

I’m sure they already had this policy. I can’t imagine that Joan would have been ok with someone bringing their child to work with them to flaunt their happiness in front of her.

ETA: something doesn’t add up. If Joan and her co-workers all got a year off with pay, why did they have a breastfeeding room?

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[TheOneWhoBlogs]

I wouldn’t be surprised if her employer recently updated the employee policies to specifically say “no children of employees allowed during parents’ shifts”

I’m sure they already had this policy. I can’t imagine that Joan would have been ok with someone bringing their child to work with them to flaunt their happiness in front of her.

ETA: something doesn’t add up. If Joan and her co-workers all got a year off with pay, why did they have a breastfeeding room?

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Extended breast feeding? I mean. Still fishy. But y'know.

[marshmallowfluf]

I wouldn’t be surprised if her employer recently updated the employee policies to specifically say “no children of employees allowed during parents’ shifts”

I’m sure they already had this policy. I can’t imagine that Joan would have been ok with someone bringing their child to work with them to flaunt their happiness in front of her.

ETA: something doesn’t add up. If Joan and her co-workers all got a year off with pay, why did they have a breastfeeding room?

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Extended breast feeding? I mean. Still fishy. But y'know.

I don’t think she said a year? I thought she said 10 weeks? I really don’t want to watch it again though so i could be wrong lol

[cwm93]

I could be wrong, but I thought the biggest reason they were upset about the maternity leave was because it was offered to her when she was pregnant with Maeve. I can understand where they are coming from by being a little thrown that it is now not being offered for the second pregnancy. If my company offered me maternity leave with my first child, but not with my second child, I'd also be upset.

That being said, I do think that Joan has it preeeeeeeeetty good at her job. They treat her with a great deal of respect and understanding regarding her situation and her grief. I think posting the video was ill-advised, but I get that it was possibly an attempt to test out the "GoFundMe" waters. However, I will say that I don't necessarily mind if they do want to ask for donations. It really doesn't have any effect on my life one way or another.

[HelloSweetie]

They don’t need another GFM. Joan even said they still had money from the last one but they just didn’t want to touch it. Too bad, so sad. Life doesn’t work that way. Once you have children you need to do all kinds of things you hadn’t planned on.


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[HashtagBlessed]

John does not sound very positive about his working situation and their income. “Maybe I’ll work 60 hour weeks instead of 50” or something to that effect. I think his new job is a more stable and more lucrative than what he was doing before, but he is maxing out his earning potential given his education, skills, experience, etc.

Paid maternity leave policies can change. She needed to know what she was getting in writing before they started the process so they could plan for childcare, not just assume it would be the same as last time when there was no written policy. I’m assuming they had to have a budget in mind for how they would pay the bills and take care of this baby?

Frankly, I have never heard of a retail establishment offering paid maternity leave to part-time employees. I work full-time in an office environment for a medium-sized company, and this year we just got six weeks full paid maternity leave, plus 6 weeks disability leave at a percentage of our wages, on top of 5 weeks annual PTO and a special medical leave balance that I plan to use for the two-week period before disability kicks in. We are not even pregnant, but I’ve already mapped everything out with my HR department.

Complaining about her employer on YouTube seems very unprofessional, assuming she wants to keep her job. She even admits in the comments that she consulted a lawyer and looked at her options before she realized she was not legally owed anything. I probably wouldn't be broadcasting that if I wanted to stay on good terms with my employer.

Her Etsy prices seem outrageous for quartz crystals. I’m assuming the sales she’s made are fans of their videos who want to help them.

[GymChick]

Does it vary by company? Because Christina from Ant & Christina had 3 months of maternity leave which seems excessive to me

I think in the states it varies on your contract/collective agreement, vacation/sick time ect. But 3 months isn’t excessive? Canada we get 12-18 months which is perfect. I’m taking 12 months.


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WOOOOOOOW! I’ve only ever heard of people getting 4 to 6 weeks so when I heard Christina crying over how her 3 months wasn’t enough I rolled my eyes lol. Nothing wrong with 3 months but to complain when most women get 4 to 6 is annoying. I understand wanting to be with your baby as much as possible but she was extremely luck to be able to have 3 months, that’s unheard of down here in my area...

I feel bad for any mom who has to return to work unwillingly under a year really sucks for you guys. But I def get how it would be hard to hear someone complain when you only get a few weeks.


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[GymChick]

I am actually glad it’s a girl. If they had a boy, she would grieve even harder for all those “girl” things she would have been able to do with Maeve (especially since this was their last embryo, so whatever the sex of the baby was, this was it). She still gets to experience those “girl” things albeit with a different baby. She is still going to wonder and imagine what Maeve would be doing now if she were alive, and how she would be with her sibling, but I think having a girl will definitely be easier on her emotionally.

Unless she's not a girly girl and doesn't live up to the fairytale they have of Maeve. I expect this kid will end up with some MAJOR issues caused from her mothers dream child.

I think what stood out to me was when she said, “I’ve had two people comment now like, “Oh she’s coming back to you!” I don’t like to hear that because this is a different baby.” And after she said that, John said, “I’m glad to hear you say that.” Obviously, he has had some worries about her too in regards to how she will be with this baby.

I just watched the other vlog of them talking about no maternity leave. Johns comments were annoying. And he had to bring up working 50-60 hour weeks how many times? Please I’m working 50-60 hour weeks 31 weeks pregnant on a physically demanding and dangerous job, I’m just thankful I have my extra hours to boost my maternity leave.

Also i forgot I wanted to reply to the above comment ^ how Joan Mae the comment about how this is a different baby and John said “I’m glad to here you say that”....expressing his concern. This happens on so many of their blogs and it weirds me out. Joan will express a deep emotion or opinion (an opinion she has probably expressed like 3 other times on IG) and John will act clueless with what she’s talking about as if it’s Te first time he’s hearing it. And then she will follow up with “yeah, you knew that- it was when I was blah blah and I wore this dress and ate this meal” and he will be like “oh right”. Like sometimes I wonder if they have any emotional connection anymore.




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