Bonnie Hoellein: Part 2

[ohmygoshyouguys]

How is she going to deal with the Babywise criticism?

Bonnie doesn't seem to care too much about criticism. She's not a new mother, she knows what she's doing.

Honestly, if I were her I'd ignore it. She's done Babywise with her other children and they all seem healthy and well adjusted. This is coming from someone who basically did the opposite of Babywise, by the way. To each their own.

I will agree that safety wise, she's very (maybe too) laid back. But I also don't think some of the things she does are as bad as others here think. My son has been jumping from the swing to the trampoline since he was about 5. I think it's healthy to let kids take risks (within reason). All of the injuries my kids have had were simple things like bumping into a corner of a wall, or falling backwards off their chair. Never on any of the supposedly risky things.

[HelloSweetie]

I think the trampoline being placed next to the playhouse is no accident. The Griffiths raised their kids to play and be adventurous, and now the next generation is raising their kids the same way. It is possible to be too cautious with your kids. I know, I made that mistake and had to teach my son be a little more adventurous so he could play with his friends.

I think we'll see a lot of the same dangerous antics from Jackson once E&J have a yard. No doubt Jared will want to teach Jackson all the flips and things he knows.... that I'm sure he learned when he was little too.

I know this is Bonnie's board so the focus is on her, but I think all the Griffith sisters are alike and will most likely raise their kids in more of a "free range" style.

[RootBeerFloatie]

Trampolines are incredibly dangerous as it is, so much so that the AAP recommends parents not buy them and not even allow their kids to use them at other people's houses. And before everyone here says oh I jumped on a trampoline and I'm fine! Yeah, so did I, but it doesn't make them less dangerous. I'm not going to criticize her for having one because they're so common and not all parents know the risks, but a four year old doing stunts on it is too much imo. Yeah I get it, lots of kids do it and they turn out fine, but is letting your kid jump from the treehouse to the trampoline worth the risk of spinal injury, paralysis, or death? Absolutely not.

[usmellllikesnow]

So the next time Jared holds Jackson on the hoverboard, and people complain it's dangerous, I'm going to use the "adventurous" theory and see how it goes over, lol.

[HelloSweetie]

So the next time Jared holds Jackson on the hoverboard, and people complain it's dangerous, I'm going to use the "adventurous" theory and see how it goes over, lol.

Well I used the term adventurous because I was trying to be fair on both sides.

You're right, they are all dangerous. E&J and Bonnie all let their kids do things I think are a bad idea. They obviously don't see it that way though, and most likely think it's fun and fine because that's how they were raised.

I just think they are all the same and it's comparing apples to apples at this point if you want to talk safety. E&J just don't have a yard and older kids yet. We have definitely seen questionable moments in terms of safety with E&J too. That's a discussion for another board.

To me, they are basically the same . None of the Griffith sisters are particularly overprotective IMO and I think it's just what they know and how they were raised, and not necessarily lazy or neglectful parenting.

[RootBeerFloatie]

There just needs to be a point where someone in this entire family has some common sense that what they're doing (and in Bonnie's case doing something new in every vlog) is incredibly dangerous. I think it goes far beyond lifestyle and into what's either sheer stupidity or extreme laziness. Kids playing with tools barefoot around nails, four year olds doing trampoline stunts, standing on tables,climbing on things, etc. The list goes on and on, yet apparently no one sees a problem with it and it's maddening.

[HelloSweetie]

There just needs to be a point where someone in this entire family has some common sense that what they're doing (and in Bonnie's case doing something new in every vlog) is incredibly dangerous. I think it goes far beyond lifestyle and into what's either sheer stupidity or extreme laziness. Kids playing with tools barefoot around nails, four year olds doing trampoline stunts, standing on tables,climbing on things, etc. The list goes on and on, yet apparently no one sees a problem with it and it's maddening.

That would usually be the grandparent, but in this case it isn't likely. They bought the trampoline, they put it right next to the playhouse, and I assume didn't put on the safety net it most likely came with (unless that's just a thing here in Canada). They did this a few months ago, so they knew it would be the grandkids using it. No one even has common sense enough to not just let the youngest kids (Boston, Jackson, Eve) go run around outside while everyone is on trampoline (although Bonnie did at least check in yesterday's vlog).

I get that grandparents are more easygoing than they would have been as parents, but I really do think Chad and Jennifer just let the kids run wild. In order to step in and suggest things be done differently, they would have to recognize the danger themselves, and I'm just not sure they do. The irony is, they were extremely careful and made the girls do group dates to protect their purity, but then were careless when it came to protecting them from physical harm.

I try not to judge their religion but I side-eye the heck out of that!


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[RootBeerFloatie]

I'm a bit anti religion myself (Christianity and Mormonism mostly) and I wonder if they think that no harm can come to their children? A lot of people believe that "god protects them," I wonder if they all think they're protected from harm due to religion? Just a theory.

Maybe the Griffiths raised their kids to be careless about safety but that doesn't excuse it, and their children's spouses should step in and say maybe this isn't a good idea. All in all it's sad and honestly kind of neglectful, and I hope nothing happens to any of them but I won't even be surprised if it does.

[Sarai]

I'm a bit anti religion myself (Christianity and Mormonism mostly) and I wonder if they think that no harm can come to their children? A lot of people believe that "god protects them," I wonder if they all think they're protected from harm due to religion? Just a theory.

I don't think that's it. They just have a carefree, "let kids be kids" way of parenting.

[usmellllikesnow]

There just needs to be a point where someone in this entire family has some common sense that what they're doing (and in Bonnie's case doing something new in every vlog) is incredibly dangerous. I think it goes far beyond lifestyle and into what's either sheer stupidity or extreme laziness. Kids playing with tools barefoot around nails, four year olds doing trampoline stunts, standing on tables,climbing on things, etc. The list goes on and on, yet apparently no one sees a problem with it and it's maddening.

I agree and I think it's on the parents. I don't care how you were raised. Joel was not raised by the Griffiths. At some point Bonnie needs to be better educated than her parents, because as a society we have more knowledge than we did when Bonnie was a child.

Bonnie is very up to date with the latest hair and makeup techniques, so she's not incapable of learning or doing research. I wish Bonnie spent as much time watching her kids as she does with her hair and makeup. SORRY.....

[HelloSweetie]

Like We were saying, it's all the Griffiths.... it just seems that people want to focus on Bonnie more. I think she's more open about her edits (ok Ruby too).

How E&J are with Jackson when they are at Bonnie's and the grandparents' is a good indication of how they will be when they have a home. They send Jackson out to play on his own. He's 18 months. That on its own just isn't safe, and don't even get me started on letting him go play in that front yard area while Ellie cooks/cleans! I don't care that the door is open. It just isn't safe. Maybe Mormon families are just a bit more reckless? The Butlers definitely are too.

But that's just my opinion, I do also think that a ton of the safety things discussed here are nitpicky and just serve in minimizing the argument for when there is an actual dangerous situation.

[HelloSweetie]

Like We were saying, it's all the Griffiths.... it just seems that people want to focus on Bonnie more. I think she's more open about her edits (ok Ruby too).

How E&J are with Jackson when they are at Bonnie's and the grandparents' is a good indication of how they will be when they have a home. They send Jackson out to play on his own. He's 18 months. That on its own just isn't safe, and don't even get me started on letting him go play in that front yard area while Ellie cooks/cleans! I don't care that the door is open. It just isn't safe. Maybe Mormon families are just a bit more reckless? The Butlers definitely are too.

But that's just my opinion, I do also think that a ton of the safety things discussed here are nitpicky and just serve in minimizing the argument for when there is an actual dangerous situation.

Eh, I think everyone is calling out E&J, too lol. They don't really have a yard yet for us to see their behaviour.

Besides, it's Bonnie's thread so it's best that we try to separate Bonnie from Ellie.

I thought this was part of the bigger discussion so I put it here, and didn't want to start a big thing on the E&J thread.

There definitely are some people that jump on every little thing Bonnie does, but then turn a blind eye or make excuses for E&J.

Just saying, the research thing can be said of all the sisters. Ellie tends to get a "maybe her sisters gave her bad information" pass that drives me crazy. But that's a subject for another board


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[PostyMcPosterston]

Can we just have a new rule of Ellie and Bonnie comparisons stop? At least for a month lol.


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[usmellllikesnow]

I have never seen Jackson sent out to play in his grandparent's backyard alone without someone standing there watching him or being with him. If you have a link to a video that shows that or has them saying that, I would be happy to watch.

Ellie's front yard is not a yard. It looks like a concrete slab with a spot of grass enclosed with a fence and a baby gate. Pretty sure you can get from their front door to the gate in about three steps. I have no issue with him playing there with people watching out the open door. It's safer than Bonnie letting her kids ride their toy four wheeler down the street out of sight, imo.

I understand HS that you think the world of Bonnie and her parenting skills. I however, do not. Your arguing with me about it has not changed my opinion in the past six months. The safety issues keep happening. I'm not creating them out of thin air and I'm not the only one who sees it. I cannot speak for anyone other than Ellie or Bonnie because those are the only vlogs I watch.

Please, let people have their opinions.

[usmellllikesnow]

Sorry just posted that before I saw the new posts. I'm done!

[usmellllikesnow]

This is the last post I am going to make about this... If I am being completely honest, all of the issues with this board come back to you two. Please resolve it outside of these threads - I don't care if it's a private message or a boxing ring thread - just as long as it's somewhere else. Ignoring each other simply does not seem to work and I see that both of you are upset but you both want the same thing: for both sides of the fence to be able to share their opinions.

I think you're both more alike than you're willing to admit! I said it. NOW IF I GO MISSING, THE REST OF YOU KNOW WHO TO GO TO.

I'm sorry, I was going to delete when I saw the complaints about talking about Ellie, but I can't find that option. Can you delete mine for me please?

This is the first time I have directly responded to her in this thread in months. I will go back to ignoring, but to be fair if you look back through this thread, I am not the only one who has had this issue. I'm sorry Kryptonite, not trying to make more problems, but I just want to speak up for myself, because I have tried hard to not instigate certain people. I will stop posting in here if it will make it easier for everyone else.

[ohmygoshyouguys]

Okay, I am catching up and Boston's hair cut cracked me up. I also died when he said Bonnie was cute.

Boston is a cute little stinker! I didn't think so when I first started watching it, but his personality just makes him to die for. Kind of like his dad.

[ohmygoshyouguys]

Okay, I am catching up and Boston's hair cut cracked me up. I also died when he said Bonnie was cute.

Boston is a cute little stinker! I didn't think so when I first started watching it, but his personality just makes him to die for. Kind of like his dad.

Yes! That's how I feel. Honestly, that's sort of how I feel with all of them lol.

Me too. Safety issues aside, I absolutely love this family.

[actuallydear]

Okay, I am catching up and Boston's hair cut cracked me up. I also died when he said Bonnie was cute.

Boston is a cute little stinker! I didn't think so when I first started watching it, but his personality just makes him to die for. Kind of like his dad.

Yes! That's how I feel. Honestly, that's sort of how I feel with all of them lol.

Joel

[HelloSweetie]

Boston is a cute little stinker! I didn't think so when I first started watching it, but his personality just makes him to die for. Kind of like his dad.

Yes! That's how I feel. Honestly, that's sort of how I feel with all of them lol.

Joel

How cute was he when he was telling Bonnie to wink for him on the phone?