Tania Licciardo-Toivola: Beans, fake routines and sleeping like sardines. | Part 4

[chocolatelover711]

I wish she would just be upfront about what they're up to. She always half explains things or cryptically says things. I remember months ago, before the Europe trip, one day a video was posted saying they were "moving" to a new house. They moved into a smaller place in Finland and seemed to be there for a few weeks. Thing is, it was more of a vacation place it seemed so why not just say "we are on vacation and staying in a place there for a while" instead of saying "we're moving" which implies something permanent. They were back in their old house a few weeks later. And now here we go again it seems. Why not just be upfront and say "here is our temporary Finnish home while we wait to move to Australia." But she doesn't, she implies this is their new house on a permanent basis with no explanation. She also implied months ago that Australia was right after the Europe tour. Too much cryptic stuff for me. Perhaps they are waiting until the wild fires are over in Australia before moving? That's fine if so but JUST BE UPFRONT. This woman drives me crazy! The woman films her kids lining up to take showers but can't mention why they are living in Finland again after essentially saying they hated it and were glad to be moving? Ugh!

[Etoile24]

I saw a post on Leo's instagram (can't find it now though, don't know if he deleted it) where someone asked why T stopped following him. his reply was psalm 27.10. I looked it up - "Though my father and mother forsake me, the Lord will receive me." Wow just wow

[Dragonmom]

That iPhone model came out 20th of September 2019 so it can’t be Cleo’s 19th birthday because that phone didn’t exist then.

My theory is that it was her Christmas gift but nothing is normal in that household so they made it seem like it’s her birthday present.


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But apparently they dont celebrate Christmas... she said something like that when they were at the Lego place, and they were building the Christmas tree. She HAD to mention "we dont do Christmas trees ourselves, but theyre learning!"

Good catch on the iphone though, i dont know whats recent in the iphone world, so i still wouldve thought this whole thing was almost a year old and we're just watching their super past life, and maybe currently theyre already in a fully built new house somewhere... but who knows.

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Cleo' lists her age as 20 on her IG.

[Charleston3]

I’m so glad they are back in a house and hopefully a more stable environment. The diet they were eating on the road was not sustainable here are some shots of Jerusalem one before the trip and one he took during. Absolutely horrific the little ones will probably be forever affected by the almost 6 months of malnutrition.

[Damom1]

Will someone please ask her on IG (or on her next premiere) to clairfy her relation to Jennas family. As far as I can understand, Jenna's dad is T's cousin, is this the cousin she borrowed a car from? It seems Jenna's dad is also the nephew of Jennas mom? Is this correct? Because Jenna's mom's dad is Jennas dad's grandfather right? So Jenna and Leo would be cousins once removed? Or second cousins? I know its legal to marry a cousin in Finland but it makes you wonder if maybe this is why T is trying to distance herself from them. As her audience grows, perhaps she's come aware that people in other cultures may not think of cousin marriage as no big deal?
I remember thinking it was odd how Leo kept joking that she was his sister and that people were noticing that Jennas house before she married him was already listed as a Toivola residence, so he was deflecting to distract from the truth?
Also, they've changed Cleos birthday to Dec. And I noticed that in Feb one year, Cleo wished Nef a happy birthday on Twitter. So Nefs bday is Feb, Aug, or Nov as all 3 have been stated?

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

Holy Moley,Charleston,those pix of Jez! The difference is horrendous! Not only the shocking weight loss,but also the difference in facial expression..he looks quite laid back and content in pic 1,then in pic 2,by comparison,he looks like he is seething with anger inside.

[honeybeex]

Their time line is so messed up it is confusing. But worse than that, if you take a literal interpretation of the psalm verse that Leo replied to a comment with, he is suggesting that they have given up on him or abandoned him. though, recently TT posted about Jenna on her story, and we can hear him in the lego land video, so how true can that be?
If it is true, whilst i feel that he will most likely grow into a better and stronger person away from TT and Paul, it is disgusting to abandon him like that. I know they see him as a man, but he is only a year or two older than my little sister, (who is cleopatra's age) and the way he acts does show that he needs his parents love still. Even at 28 I sometimes still need my parents love and guidance, and i'm a fully grown woman who lives with her partner and child. I think it is awful they have abandoned him, if it is true, and I guess that is why he is having some issues with his mental health.
Its also not right for him to be separated from his siblings, at work we ALWAYS try to ensure that siblings are still allowed to see each other and are still allowed to have that relationship, if it is possible in the circumstances. I have know siblings not see each other for 10 years, due to care systems and parental separations, and it is harder to build that relationship again once it has broken down.

Leo if this is true, I hope that you realise you're a stronger and better person than your parents, and you're never alone, if you need help speak out, it ok to feel sad.

[Hariett]

Will someone please ask her on IG (or on her next premiere) to clairfy her relation to Jennas family. As far as I can understand, Jenna's dad is T's cousin, is this the cousin she borrowed a car from? It seems Jenna's dad is also the nephew of Jennas mom? Is this correct? Because Jenna's mom's dad is Jennas dad's grandfather right? So Jenna and Leo would be cousins once removed? Or second cousins? I know its legal to marry a cousin in Finland but it makes you wonder if maybe this is why T is trying to distance herself from them. As her audience grows, perhaps she's come aware that people in other cultures may not think of cousin marriage as no big deal?
I remember thinking it was odd how Leo kept joking that she was his sister and that people were noticing that Jennas house before she married him was already listed as a Toivola residence, so he was deflecting to distract from the truth?
Also, they've changed Cleos birthday to Dec. And I noticed that in Feb one year, Cleo wished Nef a happy birthday on Twitter. So Nefs bday is Feb, Aug, or Nov as all 3 have been stated?

Hey can you explain how you got that impression? I don't remember anyone mentioning something like that?

Nefs Bday is in August.

Furthermore, it's not true that Taina doesn't follow Jenna anymore as someone mentioned before.. She just unfollowed Leo.

My theory is that they celebrated her birthday in advance to have an excuse for giving her a new iPhone. Not the first time Cleo's prioritised.. Leo is her older brother but she's the one with the license and car.. He said he'd do it in Australia, since it's cheaper there.. But princess Cleo doesn't have to wait for anything.
That birthday video was disturbing and this girl definitely has some issues... Weird behavior. Maybe they used to scare her with sharks and crocodiles when she was a young child...

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

My theory is that they celebrated her birthday in advance to have an excuse for giving her a new iPhone. Not the first time Cleo's prioritised.. Leo is her older brother but she's the one with the license and car.. He said he'd do it in Australia, since it's cheaper there.. But princess Cleo doesn't have to wait for anything.
That birthday video was disturbing and this girl definitely has some issues... Weird behavior. Maybe they used to scare her with sharks and crocodiles when she was a young child...
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Yep i think this is the most likely theory!plus gives a reason for T to post another tedious vlog...
Cs behaviour is odd in this,so again yeh,it is disturbing... and she seems on the edge of tears and uncomfortable all thru the vlog,even tho T says in the title ( i think) that C gets tearful near the end x

[honeybeex]

I looked back at Cleo's 18th birthday, because the time line is bugging me, and it was posted in 20th feb 2018, so unless her vlogs were a few months behind, back then, it must have been a few days before that, unless she's totally lying about the timeline (which doesn't surprise me). Also everyone including Taina looks healthier and happier back then!

I also watched the introducing cleopatra video, and firstly, i didn't realise her name was not JUST Cleopatra-Bride LT, BUT Cleopatra-Bride Baby LT. what a HORRIFIC NAME, MADE WORSE! But she does say she was born in 1999, not 2000. If she was born in Feb 1999, she would be turning 21, and not 20. She could be lying, but she says she is 19 and was born in 1999. So if her birthday was now, she would be turning 20. My sister was born July 2000, and she is turning 20 in a few months.

So she is either lying about her age, or birthday, or the 18th birthday video not posted in the correct time, and was a few months late. Thus making famous birthdays incorrect too. If i'm honest in her first Cleopatra 18th birthday vlog, Omega looks very young, like a few weeks/ months old. So who knows.

[Prusseliese]

Hello, I'm very happy I've found this place, I've been following the vlogs for a while now and since there are no comments allowed I was always wondering, what others may think about this family. Now I have a lot of reading to do here.
Regards from Germany, and please excuse any language/grammar mistakes I might write.

[Emily81]

Hello, I'm very happy I've found this place, I've been following the vlogs for a while now and since there are no comments allowed I was always wondering, what others may think about this family. Now I have a lot of reading to do here.
Regards from Germany, and please excuse any language/grammar mistakes I might write.

Welcome!!!
Have fun reading. We look forward to know what do you think about this weird family situation.

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[Dragonmom]

Will someone please ask her on IG (or on her next premiere) to clairfy her relation to Jennas family. As far as I can understand, Jenna's dad is T's cousin, is this the cousin she borrowed a car from? It seems Jenna's dad is also the nephew of Jennas mom? Is this correct? Because Jenna's mom's dad is Jennas dad's grandfather right? So Jenna and Leo would be cousins once removed? Or second cousins? I know its legal to marry a cousin in Finland but it makes you wonder if maybe this is why T is trying to distance herself from them. As her audience grows, perhaps she's come aware that people in other cultures may not think of cousin marriage as no big deal?
I remember thinking it was odd how Leo kept joking that she was his sister and that people were noticing that Jennas house before she married him was already listed as a Toivola residence, so he was deflecting to distract from the truth?
Also, they've changed Cleos birthday to Dec. And I noticed that in Feb one year, Cleo wished Nef a happy birthday on Twitter. So Nefs bday is Feb, Aug, or Nov as all 3 have been stated?

Hey can you explain how you got that impression? I don't remember anyone mentioning something like that?

Nefs Bday is in August.

Furthermore, it's not true that Taina doesn't follow Jenna anymore as someone mentioned before.. She just unfollowed Leo.

My theory is that they celebrated her birthday in advance to have an excuse for giving her a new iPhone. Not the first time Cleo's prioritised.. Leo is her older brother but she's the one with the license and car.. He said he'd do it in Australia, since it's cheaper there.. But princess Cleo doesn't have to wait for anything.
That birthday video was disturbing and this girl definitely has some issues... Weird behavior. Maybe they used to scare her with sharks and crocodiles when she was a young child...

I wonder if they have a cousin picked out for Cleo, now that she is 20? They probably can't find too many people willing to join their cult outside of family! I do think T gets off on using fear on her kids. First of all the whole "Doomsday, End is nigh" religion probably scares the heck out of them, but then she seems to enjoy reminding everyone of Cleo's fear of germs, Nef's fear of spiders, telling the younger kids that their are sharks and alligators, or that things will bite them. Even that whole birthday box thing was to instill fear in Cleo of each item in the box. T is a little sadistic!

[Charleston3]

Will someone please ask her on IG (or on her next premiere) to clairfy her relation to Jennas family. As far as I can understand, Jenna's dad is T's cousin, is this the cousin she borrowed a car from? It seems Jenna's dad is also the nephew of Jennas mom? Is this correct? Because Jenna's mom's dad is Jennas dad's grandfather right? So Jenna and Leo would be cousins once removed? Or second cousins? I know its legal to marry a cousin in Finland but it makes you wonder if maybe this is why T is trying to distance herself from them. As her audience grows, perhaps she's come aware that people in other cultures may not think of cousin marriage as no big deal?
I remember thinking it was odd how Leo kept joking that she was his sister and that people were noticing that Jennas house before she married him was already listed as a Toivola residence, so he was deflecting to distract from the truth?
Also, they've changed Cleos birthday to Dec. And I noticed that in Feb one year, Cleo wished Nef a happy birthday on Twitter. So Nefs bday is Feb, Aug, or Nov as all 3 have been stated?

Hey can you explain how you got that impression? I don't remember anyone mentioning something like that?

Nefs Bday is in August.

Furthermore, it's not true that Taina doesn't follow Jenna anymore as someone mentioned before.. She just unfollowed Leo.

My theory is that they celebrated her birthday in advance to have an excuse for giving her a new iPhone. Not the first time Cleo's prioritised.. Leo is her older brother but she's the one with the license and car.. He said he'd do it in Australia, since it's cheaper there.. But princess Cleo doesn't have to wait for anything.
That birthday video was disturbing and this girl definitely has some issues... Weird behavior. Maybe they used to scare her with sharks and crocodiles when she was a young child...

I wonder if they have a cousin picked out for Cleo, now that she is 20? They probably can't find too many people willing to join their cult outside of family! I do think T gets off on using fear on her kids. First of all the whole "Doomsday, End is nigh" religion probably scares the heck out of them, but then she seems to enjoy reminding everyone of Cleo's fear of germs, Nef's fear of spiders, telling the younger kids that their are sharks and alligators, or that things will bite them. Even that whole birthday box thing was to instill fear in Cleo of each item in the box. T is a little sadistic!

I believe Cleopatra stated that she was waiting until they moved to Australia to find a husband. This might also be why the family seems to have cut ties with Leonardo because in his video when he talked about how he met Jenna he said that he was hoping to wait for Australia. They probably wanted him to come along and be apart of the family until they got to Australia and might not be happy that he decided to take his own path. Also I think people thought Jenna and Leonardo were related because Jenna’s step dads surname is Toivola, but in another forum about them I think a Finnish person mentioned that it’s a somewhat common surname and they probably aren’t related.

[Wildebeast-cps]

I looked it up and saw that her birthday is in February and she was born in 2000. Good knows what TT is up to here

Hi Dru yeh,thats why i asked,coz have read several times that C’s bday is feb..the 27th i think...
So,is this from oct ( coz one theory is the vlogs are two mths behind) from now ( Dec) or feb,but last feb...and really her 19 th birthday,
You wd need a Philadelphia lawyer to get to the bottom of it all! X

One of those Philadelphia lawyers is sitting a few feet away from me. However, he would think I was insane if he ever knew I was invested in this crazy circus.

Her supporters and defenders have come out in full force on the “Truth about the Licciardo Toivola” video. You would think some of those people are their best friends and know them intimately and will defend anything. it’s no use trying to make them “see the light”.

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

I looked it up and saw that her birthday is in February and she was born in 2000. Good knows what TT is up to here

Hi Dru yeh,thats why i asked,coz have read several times that C’s bday is feb..the 27th i think...
So,is this from oct ( coz one theory is the vlogs are two mths behind) from now ( Dec) or feb,but last feb...and really her 19 th birthday,
You wd need a Philadelphia lawyer to get to the bottom of it all! X

One of those Philadelphia lawyers is sitting a few feet away from me. However, he would think I was insane if he ever knew I was invested in this crazy circus.

Her supporters and defenders have come out in full force on the “Truth about the Licciardo Toivola” video. You would think some of those people are their best friends and know them intimately and will defend anything. it’s no use trying to make them “see the light”.

Hehe! Wildy,thats so random about the PL sitting right by you!
And...me too,I tell nobody I am invested in this forum and mulling over the TLT family’s activities! They would think I was insane too!
Ps is anyone else having trouble getting into this site? I know one person mentioned it,just beforeXmas i think
Its taken me three tries to get logged in x

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

Hello, I'm very happy I've found this place, I've been following the vlogs for a while now and since there are no comments allowed I was always wondering, what others may think about this family. Now I have a lot of reading to do here.
Regards from Germany, and please excuse any language/grammar mistakes I might write.

Welcome Prusseliese,glad youve found us
And don't worry about any possible mistakes..your English is far far superior to my German..i only know a few phrases!

[Dru55]

I watched more bits of the Cleo vlog again. She comes across as very immature for a 20 year old. ( she isn't yet til Feb) so even at 19, she is immature. I know very few 19/20 year old who would go through that crap with the box. I have always gotten the feeling they are hiding from the public. You never know where they are, what is the truth and why she keeps on lying about stuff. Those kids are not geniuses, musically or academically. It is all too weird

[Youngiia]

Since that phone is a recent release I guess they are really not that far off in time now.

I agree they might have given her that phone as an early present and said it's her birthday since they often do things like that.

I wonder if Leo had a falling out with his mum over something rather than her just cutting him.out for getting married.

[Prusseliese]

I just don't know where to start about that family and I've got so many questions.
First of all I didn't understand why they are back to Finland, I thought they put everything in a container for Australia. I'm glad it's not only me who misses something, it's Taina who isn't talking about it. I hate that she just doesn't answer why they are back to Finland, why they are in a small house. Conditios can change, someone can get sick, family needs help, lack of money or whatever. I just think she wants more followers and clicks, so she can do some videos like "why we are in Finland" cliffhanger..."why we are still here" cliffhanger "Will we move to Australia"?
Why didn't the big one (Jerusalem?) cut his hair short, why did the do it to the little one so he looks like he's going through serious therapy. You can also shave and leave 5mm or so... Well, it will grow fast.
And the house, even for a short stay... after their holiday.... I mean, kids growing up need some space... Or perhaps they are not allowed to do what normal teenager boys do because their parents told them their hand or their p*** would rot off when they touch themselves. And what about that homeschooling, music, languages... I'dont think they are good at any of these things... and i just don't believe Taina...
There's so much I could write about. If I had a motorhome and 6 months to spend in europe, I would know so many places and countries I would love to visit and write about, take photos... and what did they do? Ate sweets, went to Legoland or Disneyland... we didn't find out anything interesting about the countries from Taina because she doesn't know anything. I'm sorry, I'm sure you've written a lot about this stuff, but it seems I wanted to talk about this weird family for a long time.
And I think it's just sad to cry when you get an iphone. Well, I would cry too, but because of the amount of money spent for nothing I need.