Katie:Learning to Say No to Everything Except Gaines|Part 21

[Theirmom]

Cullen seems a little more willing to disclose his faults, which is promising in terms of change, but is also going to really count against him

I don’t think it will count against him. Courts are increasingly Father-friendly. And having a clearly documented case of seeking sobriety through meetings and total transparency regarding mental health treatment will work in his favour.

If, on the other hand, Cullen can prove Katie has a problem with alcohol, mental health, shopping, etc, and has chosen to work on it herself rather than working with professionals, she looks bad. It would look like she’s in denial about any issues she might have and isn’t committed to working through them.

I don’t think they’ll split. Not anytime soon. Even if Katie was planning it, she has to know that Cullen being transparent about getting sober would ruin a sole custody case. Courts don’t deny custody to people making an effort to get clean. Now that’s he’s put it out there, she can’t claim that he’s a full blown, using addict.

[ewokfan11]

Lol, it looks like we're choosing sides if/after they divorce. I've always been Team Cullen because that is my type, but I can see how others don't like his childish behavior. I'd rather have a humorous, fun, carefree person in my life than an entitled, high maintenance person who doesn't really like to joke around.

Hope he does get all the help he needs and deserves.

I think most of his childish behavior is/was because he was drunk and/or high. I also think he's just totally irresponsible. Remember when Brooks was ill and he got totally wasted at the football game instead of helping Katie? That's just one example.

They met and got married really young. Katie grew up and Cullen didn't.

I don't see Katie acting any differently than her sister and I don't see people knocking Kelley, who I honestly think acts way more entitled, snobby and high-maintenance than Katie. They are both a product of their environment (children of a successful doctor). I don't see anything wrong with Katie wanting her kids to have a similar lifestyle to what she had growing up and what their cousins have.

I think it must be hard for Katie. Obviously her father is doctor and her sister's husband is a lawyer. Her husband is a total loser who doesn't even have a college degree and doesn't have many future career prospects. From what I've heard from Cullen's podcast it's amazing he's not in prison!!!

It's only a matter of time before they split up.

[Baconsgirl]

I’m not picking sides, because I think they both need help. I’m on team kid. Cullen seems a little more willing to disclose his faults, which is promising in terms of change, but is also going to really count against him if they split and Katie has to know that. For the kids sake, I hope they both address their issues. Even a spending addiction can be detrimental to the family.

I do think too much credit is being given to Katie and how much she’s changed. That’s great she learned to edit, but she still leaves the daily vlogs to Cullen. If he isn’t available to edit, it doesn’t happen. Her channel may be doing well, but I don’t think she has what it takes to keep it interesting. Katie in general isn’t interesting, and if she fails to open up about her own struggles, people will lose interest. Cullen on the other hand will be able to vlog about his recovery and if he continues to be open, that will be very interesting. People love to make a connection with YTers, and openness is key. If Cullen doesn’t have Katie keeping him quiet, it would be interesting to see just how open he can be.


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I agree with you! It doesn’t matter who’s side you’re on if the kids suffer from the behavior. In my book both Katie and Cullen need to deal with their each individual demons and get off YouTube.


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[lmmomSD]

Judges like people who are working on making themselves better. Why else do so many celebrities run to rehab the minute they have legal problems? Using his addiction against him if he's documenting what he's doing would actually make Katie look bad. But-- if he can't take care of himself, he shouldn't have custody. I gave up physical custody until I got my act together. I knew I was no good to my kids. I still saw them a lot, and once I got some clean time under my belt, I got them more.
I'm on Team Kids too. Especially Brooks. I would seriously worry about that kid's self esteem if Katie gets 100% custody.

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[wishes]

Well obviously we want what is best for the kids but Team ___ for who you like more as a person is what I'm saying.

I'm sure Katie would be the better parent (to Gaines at least) if it came to that - usually mothers are instinctively better. I just like Cullen more as a person.

[Baconsgirl]

Y’all hardcore snoopers, y’all know court records are public record so y’all can look up if anything has gone down?


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[Cgl33]

I feel bad for them both of them and I think they should get off of YouTube. That’s one of the many problems with making this your career. I’m the daughter of an alcoholic who struggled with sobriety for years. I saw what my mom went through. She needed help but she also couldn’t tell friends my dad’s secret. I personally like C&K and I think they are brave for talking about it. But youtube can’t be what makes him accountable and it can’t be healthy for processing all of this. There’s too many people’s opinions to derail him.

[100midas]

Well obviously we want what is best for the kids but Team ___ for who you like more as a person is what I'm saying.

I'm sure Katie would be the better parent (to Gaines at least) if it came to that - usually mothers are instinctively better. I just like Cullen more as a person.

Not everyone likes either of them as a person anymore though, or has a strong preference. I don't. Maybe if I *had* to pick, I would choose Cullen. He's immature, but he seems like a good person. Katie is pretentious and passive aggressive, and her favoritism is annoying to watch. I might start watching them again if it was just Cullen and the kids (or even just Cullen vlogging his recovery process), but I would not watch just Katie and the kids unless she drastically changed her attitude.

I don't think they'll split soon either, though. I'm on the "she's making Cullen look bad and making all these changes to keep up her own appearance and to show him how 'good' she is at getting her life together" train.


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[lmmomSD]

I used to be one of Cullen's harshest critics. I think he's an immature manchild. But I don't see obvious favoritism with him, and that's one of the things that bugs me the most about Katie. Plus, real recovery comes with an incredible gift of self knowledge and gratitude for what you have, rather than wishing for what you don't. Every day when I drive past the homeless people here, I appreciate what I have, because I know I could be where they are. Service is really important too, because it keeps you in the mindset of gratitude. Katie certainly doesn't exhibit any gratitude, and I don't see her doing much in the way of service. Funny-- I'm the "screw up" according to my ex even though I have almost 16 years clean and sober. But he's the one my kids don't want to be around. My son won't even talk to him because he's judgy and holier than thou, and my daughter spends time with him out of a sense of duty. I can see that happening to Katie if Cullen really gets his act together and stays sober and does the work. I can totally see Katie being judgy and acting like she's better than Cullen, and talking smack about him.

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[nutbagmcgee]

Y’all hardcore snoopers, y’all know court records are public record so y’all can look up if anything has gone down?


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I'm nosy AF, not even going to lie, I looked. I didn't find anything.

[Ducklings4]

I’m not picking sides, because I think they both need help. I’m on team kid. Cullen seems a little more willing to disclose his faults, which is promising in terms of change, but is also going to really count against him if they split and Katie has to know that. For the kids sake, I hope they both address their issues. Even a spending addiction can be detrimental to the family.

I do think too much credit is being given to Katie and how much she’s changed. That’s great she learned to edit, but she still leaves the daily vlogs to Cullen. If he isn’t available to edit, it doesn’t happen. Her channel may be doing well, but I don’t think she has what it takes to keep it interesting. Katie in general isn’t interesting, and if she fails to open up about her own struggles, people will lose interest. Cullen on the other hand will be able to vlog about his recovery and if he continues to be open, that will be very interesting. People love to make a connection with YTers, and openness is key. If Cullen doesn’t have Katie keeping him quiet, it would be interesting to see just how open he can be.


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Cullen is a very open person, Katie is not. That’s her personality verses his. I am not an open person so I would not open up like Cullen, but I am not a YT family. I can not fault Katie for not being like Cullen. I think she should take her time discussing issues. From a business point of view it makes sense to me.


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[darlingyep6]

My God! Katie is such a control freak. She announces she is being “transparent” but makes sure to give her instructions to the audience about how they are NOT allowed to ask for details or questions. I can’t stand her. What a bitch.


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That is one thing I can’t stand about this family. They’re so secretive about the smallest of things. If you don’t want people asking questions, then don’t put your business much less your entire life on the internet for millions of people to see. Obviously your audience will become curious and ask what’s going on. They’re both stupid annoying.


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[RootBeerFloatie]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Katie has the right to be pissy at Cullen for airing their dirty laundry and dragging her name into it? Whether she also has an issue with drinking or not it's not his place to tell the internet about it without her consent. Obviously we don't know if she approved the video or not (or if he approved hers), but clearly she's not happy with the crack in their perfect family foundation. Sure that makes her stuck up, but I don't know that I really blame her for not wanting the world to know her personal demons.

[ewokfan11]

My God! Katie is such a control freak. She announces she is being “transparent” but makes sure to give her instructions to the audience about how they are NOT allowed to ask for details or questions. I can’t stand her. What a bitch.


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That is one thing I can’t stand about this family. They’re so secretive about the smallest of things. If you don’t want people asking questions, then don’t put your business much less your entire life on the internet for millions of people to see. Obviously your audience will become curious and ask what’s going on. They’re both stupid annoying.


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Doing YT was 1000% Cullen's idea. I don't think Katie wanted to do it at all at first. I think she was lured in with all the free perks they started getting. I'm sure Cullen also sold her on the idea of being the next ShayTards—he totally STALKED Shay (does anyone else remember that awkwardness???). I'm sure Katie would rather NOT to YT, but they don't have many (any?) other options.

[Baconsgirl]

Y’all hardcore snoopers, y’all know court records are public record so y’all can look up if anything has gone down?


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I'm nosy AF, not even going to lie, I looked. I didn't find anything.

Oh I’m one too. lol I found court records involving them but nothing divorce related.


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[darlingyep6]

My God! Katie is such a control freak. She announces she is being “transparent” but makes sure to give her instructions to the audience about how they are NOT allowed to ask for details or questions. I can’t stand her. What a bitch.


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That is one thing I can’t stand about this family. They’re so secretive about the smallest of things. If you don’t want people asking questions, then don’t put your business much less your entire life on the internet for millions of people to see. Obviously your audience will become curious and ask what’s going on. They’re both stupid annoying.


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Doing YT was 1000% Cullen's idea. I don't think Katie wanted to do it at all at first. I think she was lured in with all the free perks they started getting. I'm sure Cullen also sold her on the idea of being the next ShayTards—he totally STALKED Shay (does anyone else remember that awkwardness???). I'm sure Katie would rather NOT to YT, but they don't have many (any?) other options.

Yeah. Katie said since Cullen followed her when she wanted to pursue her dream (getting her PhD), she would help him pursue his (which was YouTube). I started following them shortly before MG was born so I don’t know much about their YT fame before that, but I still think if they don’t want people asking “why?” then they shouldn’t bring it up. Seems like Cullen actually wants to open up about his issues, I think he feels he’ll have more support from people online than from his own wife, and I feel like Katie just puts him down. It’s an unfortunate situation.


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[lmmomSD]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Katie has the right to be pissy at Cullen for airing their dirty laundry and dragging her name into it? Whether she also has an issue with drinking or not it's not his place to tell the internet about it without her consent. Obviously we don't know if she approved the video or not (or if he approved hers), but clearly she's not happy with the crack in their perfect family foundation. Sure that makes her stuck up, but I don't know that I really blame her for not wanting the world to know her personal demons.

Nah, I get it. But doing her own video being pissy about it, I can judge that. If she's actually pissed that he's airing their dirty laundry, the high road would be to ignore it and just say "I'm not discussing that" and going on with her videos. This he said she said is what I take issue with, and acting like she's better than he is.
I think she was perfectly fine with YouTube as long as the money was rolling in. I think she loves having the minions telling her how wonderful she is, and having money come in just for slapping videos together and neither of them having to have a real job. I also think that if she really didn't like it, she wouldn't have encouraged Kelly to start.

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[cynthiadancer]

Has Katie always worn her ring on her right hand? Where's her wedding rings in their most recent sit down? (I have not been watching their videos so maybe she explained already)

[Catface2]

I’m surprised he’s not dead with all the eye darts she shot him with in this video. I think if she had a sock she would have crammed it in his mouth to keep him quiet. He desperately wants to talk to people for support etc...she’s holding him back. I’m not his biggest fan..but I hope he gets heard and gets the help he needs, unfortunately it won’t be from his wife. IMHO

[woahnow]

Has Katie always worn her ring on her right hand? Where's her wedding rings in their most recent sit down? (I have not been watching their videos so maybe she explained already)

Her wedding rings may be too big since she recently lost/is losing weight

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