HayleeAndBaby: Part 2

[hey girl hey007]

I have never really liked Haylee all that much. I think she is a great mom, of course. But I have always gotten the vibe that she thinks very highly of herself because she hasn't had a second baby and she probably is the most responsible of all the youtube moms. I just feel she is a little bit cocky.

I've never looked at it that way. I was reading the comments on the wedding prep video, some lady told her to start waiting on baby #2 and haylee snapped at her saying she could wait 20 years if she wanted, then she came back saying she didn't mean to sound snarky. What gets to me about them is how the speak, it's like they believe they are the perfect family. Randy gives me the creeps, but haylee doesn't make it any better.

[hey girl hey007]

Does anyone else thing she gives Hazzel a little too much freedom? Didn't she pick out her slide bed? She was the one who choose to get her ears pierced, and she picked out her shoes and dress for the wedding. Haylee kept saying it's "100% up to you", I'm sorry but that's not the way it works Haylee. Stop being a friend and start being a mom! I don't care if you had a bad childhood and that's your way of making it up to her. She needs some discipline, she needs someone to say no every once in awhile.

[mommaof2cuties]

Does anyone else thing she gives Hazzel a little too much freedom? Didn't she pick out her slide bed? She was the one who choose to get her ears pierced, and she picked out her shoes and dress for the wedding. Haylee kept saying it's "100% up to you", I'm sorry but that's not the way it works Haylee. Stop being a friend and start being a mom! I don't care if you had a bad childhood and that's your way of making it up to her. She needs some discipline, she needs someone to say no every once in awhile.

Seriously? She was trying to make hazel more involved in the wedding so she felt included.

[ladymama]

There's nothing wrong with giving children choices about their own life. I disagreed with the ear piercing because Hazzel changed her mind and Haylee still did it. But honestly children need the freedom of choosing as much as they can. It's a huge part of development. You give them 2 or three options and let them choose

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[Lucky-one]

Does anyone else thing she gives Hazzel a little too much freedom? Didn't she pick out her slide bed? She was the one who choose to get her ears pierced, and she picked out her shoes and dress for the wedding. Haylee kept saying it's "100% up to you", I'm sorry but that's not the way it works Haylee. Stop being a friend and start being a mom! I don't care if you had a bad childhood and that's your way of making it up to her. She needs some discipline, she needs someone to say no every once in awhile.

No. I don't see it that way. Haylee selected three pairs of shoes and told Hazzel to choose which pair she liked best out of the three. Same with the dresses. Haylee brought three dresses into the fitting room for Hazzel to try on and then allowed Hazzel to choose which dress she liked best. That seems very reasonable to me.

Also, Haylee explained how the ear piercing thing went down. It sounds like she kept trying to leave the store but Hazzel cried when they tried to leave, and cried when she put her on the chair. She was under pressure, and making decisions under pressure is never really easy.

I also don't think Haylee tries to be Hazzel's friend. She has plenty of structure and boundaries and gives Hazzel opportunities to make choices. That gives Hazzel some control of her life and I think that's a good thing.


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[hey girl hey007]

It's crazy to see how times have changed. Want to know when I was allowed to pick and choose? When I was well over Hazzel's age and I turned out fine. It was never up to me, it was up to my mom and what she wanted for me. There was never choices. It was Haylees day not Hazzels, if Haylee wanted Hazzel to wear something she picked (which it sounded like she did with the dress thing) she shouldn't have let her go shopping with her. Anyone want to chime in with the bed thing because that was looked over. I asked a simple question, I think Hazzel gets away with a lot that's all. The ear piercing thing is one, Haylee should have put her foot down and said no. I don't care if my kid is crying and screaming I'm the one paying, I'm the one who has to take care of it no means no. You get over it. It's already done so there's no going back, but she should have been the adult.

[Lucky-one]

No, I for one, didn't overlook your comment about Hazzel's bed, I just chose not to include it in my response. It isn't an issue, in my opinion.

They went furniture shopping and Hazzel wanted the cool bed. They bought it. So what?

Do you think that makes Haylee a bad mom? I don't.


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[Lucky-one]

And another thing, you said that Haylee gives Hazzel too much freedom and never tells her no, but what about her quiet time? Haylee has said that Hazzel hates it, but in her vlogs, she shows herself making sure they get home in time to get her into bed to lay down for an hour or two. Hazzel has no choice about that.

Haylee also makes Hazzel eat healthy and doesn't feed her junk food and dessert all the time.

I've also seen videos where Hazzel got time outs, sent to her room, or removed from a situation (i.e. dinner with family) for misbehaving.


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[mocalyn]

I think it's important to have balance, picking shoes and a dress is important and she gave her a few options she didn't send her loose in the store and buy whatever she came back with!
On the other hand allowing hazel to decide what bedroom furniture to buy or when she's old enough to have her ears pierced is too far IMO. But Haylee is young, and it seems to be the standard now to let your kids rule the house, so I can't really blame her, plus hazel is a polite, well behaved little girl, that says a lot about Haylee as a mom!

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[Lucky-one]

Do you think that makes Haylee a bad mom? I don't.

I don't think anyone here has ever labeled her as a "bad mom". Things aren't always bad parent vs. good parent. No human being is perfect and there will always be mistakes, especially with someone who became a mother at 16.

As far as the ear piercing thing, if she screamed and cried in the chair AND when Haylee tried to leave with her, I would have kept going and removed my child from the store anyway. If she can't make the decision without pitching a fit then she obviously isn't mature enough to decide something like that for herself (what preschooler would be?). It's not necessarily a bad thing that she respects Hazzel's wishes instead of her own desires on harmless choices like what white dress to wear, but she does need to be the adult.

Good point! Hadn't thought of it that way.


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[fossilfinger]

I think the ear piercing was the wrong decision, but it probably won't harm Hazzel in the long-run.

Letting Hazzel pick between two dresses and three pairs of shoes seems like a big choice to Hazzel, but it was mostly Haylee's choice. She presented Hazzel with three suitable options for each - notice she didn't let Hazzel just run around the store picking dress options for herself, but picked them out for her and then let her choose amongst them - and even told her she couldn't pick the first white dress because it didn't fit well. Totally appropriate allowance of choice for a four-year-old.

[annaclinchwalsh963]

can we use the above good point, hadn't thought of it that way as a general example of how to hold a discussion with differing points of view. Well done.

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[alym0326]

I'm happy for them, but how are they going to afford a house?


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She made it sound like Randy's some special snowflake because he "got approved for a large amount" when in reality he's using a VA (veteran) loan which automatically preapproves generally everyone up to $400k. I really hope these two aren't stupid enough to spend $400k on a house as first time buyers and barely into their 20's.

I hope they don't spend that much, either. That would be pretty irresponsible on their part. A $400K house (in Georgia, anyway) is HUGE.

Damn! Where I live you can't even get a townhouse for $400k...they're at least $550k plus, the most you can get for that is a 1 bedroom condo, MAYBE a 2 bedroom. But then again, where I live rent is the same price as a mortgage, So it's shitty. Anyways, I don't see the point in them getting a house right now, at least not until they have a second child.


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[mommaof2cuties]

I'm happy for them, but how are they going to afford a house?


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She made it sound like Randy's some special snowflake because he "got approved for a large amount" when in reality he's using a VA (veteran) loan which automatically preapproves generally everyone up to $400k. I really hope these two aren't stupid enough to spend $400k on a house as first time buyers and barely into their 20's.

The state they live in is one of the most desirable places in the US to live right now so houses and rent are beyond ridiculous.

[Babydustfairy]

They live in Colorado. Close to Denver. Last time I checked Zillow I found 4 bedroom houses for super cheap (under 200k) I used to live in the springs. In my opinion Colorado is a cheap state

[hwarner]

I wonder if Haylee can even have a healthy pregnancy with her uterus situation. She hasn't mentioned anything about it in awhile. I wonder if doctors said whether she can or can't have any more


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[mommaof2cuties]

They live in Colorado. Close to Denver. Last time I checked Zillow I found 4 bedroom houses for super cheap (under 200k) I used to live in the springs. In my opinion Colorado is a cheap state

Ha ok. I live there now and to build a house right now it's not very cheap.

[Babydustfairy]

They live in Colorado. Close to Denver. Last time I checked Zillow I found 4 bedroom houses for super cheap (under 200k) I used to live in the springs. In my opinion Colorado is a cheap state

Ha ok. I live there now and to build a house right now it's not very cheap.

In Colorado Springs? Unless you buy a house over by the broadmoore houses are pretty cheap. Friends of mine got a new 5 bedroom 3 bathroom house for 250k

[mommaof2cuties]

They live in Colorado. Close to Denver. Last time I checked Zillow I found 4 bedroom houses for super cheap (under 200k) I used to live in the springs. In my opinion Colorado is a cheap state

Ha ok. I live there now and to build a house right now it's not very cheap.

In Colorado Springs? Unless you buy a house over by the broadmoore houses are pretty cheap. Friends of mine got a new 5 bedroom 3 bathroom house for 250k

I found one 4 bedroom being built house there for $250,000 but any other that size are going for $300,000+. I don't think they will end up spending the full $400,000 but it's still no where near cheap where they are.

--also this isn't the town they live in so not giving away any info on how to find them etc

[literallywhat]

Did they say they want to build? I think that would honestly be really irresponsible at their age. Just because they have the loan doesn't mean they should do it. They have no idea how much their lives could change in the next 5-10 years and just buying a house is a huge commitment but building one is a huge process especially if they want to do it right. If Randy stays in the military, assuming he is active duty, he could get transferred to another base. If Haylee goes back to school, her job could take them somewhere else.