DailyBotoxAndSpeechRoadblocks part #99

Unread post by **lmmomSD** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:38 pm

sammibro wrote:
coolusername1236 wrote:
queentee20 wrote:Damn it, I’m still watching and seeing Cassie cry when she held Finn has me crying!!
It's sad when your aunt cares more for you than your parents!
So sad. And that can be said for Finn and Ollie. Ollie acts like a different kid around Cassie! She’s one of the few people who talks with him and not _at_ him. I hope she continues to be an influence on those kids.

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She is so great with him. Ollie is a different kid around her. He talks, he doesn't sound like a robot, and I can actually understand a lot of what he says! And it's obvious she listens to him and focuses what he says. I wonder what he will think when he's older and watches the videos with Cassie vs the videos with his parents.

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Unread post by **cat9480** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:56 pm

lmmomSD wrote:
ferriswheel wrote:There are two versions of "Mary Did You Know?" that I absolutely love, after hearing that clip it's extremely safe to say Bryan Lanning won't be joining those ranks.

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Oooh, which versions do you love? There are some that are really powerful, but I can't think of artists off the top of my head.

Sorry for the OT question.

I found "Did you freaking know" to be kinda offensive too. Especially since they are trying to be so "Christian".

Have they mentioned Jesus' relationship with Christmas to Ollie in the vlogs at all? I have yet to see any reference. I'm not saying that they need to make a whole vlog about it-- I would find that skeevy, actually. But at least once say, "you know, Ollie, Christmas isn't _just_ about presents and Santa. It's also Jesus' birthday". They have no problem telling him dinosaurs aren't extinct. Maybe they tell him off camera. But for some reason, I don't think so. Just like I don't believe that IG post Bryan did with a picture of Ollie saying "He loves Jesus".

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But Christmas is about Mary having a baby BOY. We all know how that’s a touchy subject in the Lanning house...better to stick with presents and Santa

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Unread post by **Theirmom** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:30 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:
I think this requires a rewatch to clarify. I remember IG like lmmomsd does. I definitely think Missy was driving the bus a lot on that one. I don't even think the Castor Oil was he midwives advice was it? Didn't we think it was Missy's doula she was taking a lot of her medical advice from?

These are the time stamps from her birth story on her channel:

2:11- midwife recommends castor oil because Missy was 3 days over due.
4:20- 16 hours after water breaking, missy wanted nipple stim, midwife said no
5:00-Midwife prescribed more castor oil
5:26- Midwife gives 3rd dose of castor oil
8:10- missy requested epi
10:00- midwife recommended pitocin
10:35- poor position discovered
11:14 midwife recommends they consider a c-section, missy asks if they might be able to change his position. Midwives decide to try to reposition him for a couple hours.
Repositioning fails, they move to c-section.
16:25 Missy feels incredibly guilty and sad that Finn was in so much pain, and questions where she went wrong.

At around the 17 minute mark, she does whine about how long it took the hospital to let her see Finn. She thinks they should have just known the swelling was from labour and he was fine. She was also mad that they gave him formula.

Everything points to the midwives giving bad advice. Castor oil hasn’t been recommended for years. That alone should have set off alarm bells. They also should have tried repositioning as soon as she stopped progressing. They would have known his position as soon as they broke her water. It was definitely a case of shitty advice from her midwives.

Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:48 pm

Theirmom wrote:
HelloSweetie wrote:
I think this requires a rewatch to clarify. I remember IG like lmmomsd does. I definitely think Missy was driving the bus a lot on that one. I don't even think the Castor Oil was he midwives advice was it? Didn't we think it was Missy's doula she was taking a lot of her medical advice from?
These are the time stamps from her birth story on her channel:

2:11- midwife recommends castor oil because Missy was 3 days over due.
4:20- 16 hours after water breaking, missy wanted nipple stim, midwife said no
5:00-Midwife prescribed more castor oil
5:26- Midwife gives 3rd dose of castor oil
8:10- missy requested epi
10:00- midwife recommended pitocin
10:35- poor position discovered
11:14 midwife recommends they consider a c-section, missy asks if they might be able to change his position. Midwives decide to try to reposition him for a couple hours.
Repositioning fails, they move to c-section.
16:25 Missy feels incredibly guilty and sad that Finn was in so much pain, and questions where she went wrong.

At around the 17 minute mark, she does whine about how long it took the hospital to let her see Finn. She thinks they should have just known the swelling was from labour and he was fine. She was also mad that they gave him formula.

Everything points to the midwives giving bad advice. Castor oil hasn’t been recommended for years. That alone should have set off alarm bells. They also should have tried repositioning as soon as she stopped progressing. They would have known his position as soon as they broke her water. It was definitely a case of shitty advice from her midwives.

Missy was trying Castor oil DAYS before that though. It was in a vlog and there were many comments telling Missy how dangerous it was and she just wouldn't listen. She knew the risks, and isn't blameless at all in taking them.

Baby's position can change during labour. My son's definitely did, especially after an epidural, and HOURS after my water broke.

Babies are often born with a lot of swelling. This isn't an indication that Missy was injured in any way. Finn was the concern.
It was likely hospital protocol for him to go to the NICU after based upon his vitals and what they observed. This probably wasn't the midwives call to make at that point given that Finn was then the pediatrician on call's patient. Missy needs to suck that one up and just deal. Does it suck? Yes! But Finn's safety comes first.

Bottom line is that the midwife recommended they consider a section and Missy said "no." You can't look at it now with a results oriented opinion. The midwife didn't know that Missy wasn't going to be able to progress and reposition. Missy wasn't promised it would work. She wanted to "try" and that she did. It didn't work and she had a section, something she didn't want. This is why our LDR department HATES birth plans. It isn't something you can plan out at all... things happen.

Missy has found fault with every doctor/nurse/midwife she's dealt with. Is the problem really the care she's receiving, or Missy's inability to listen and use proper judgement? Remember, this is the same girl that couldn't even follow the basic prep instructions for her son's EEG. Missy ALWAYS knows best!

Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:11 pm

Wait. You are going off what Missy SAID happened almost a year later in that birth story? I could have saved myself writing that long winded post and just pointed out that MISSY LIES

What we saw and heard at the time is far more reliable in my opinion.

Unread post by **Idkhihello** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:43 pm

Theirmom wrote:
HelloSweetie wrote:
I think this requires a rewatch to clarify. I remember IG like lmmomsd does. I definitely think Missy was driving the bus a lot on that one. I don't even think the Castor Oil was he midwives advice was it? Didn't we think it was Missy's doula she was taking a lot of her medical advice from?
These are the time stamps from her birth story on her channel:

2:11- midwife recommends castor oil because Missy was 3 days over due.
4:20- 16 hours after water breaking, missy wanted nipple stim, midwife said no
5:00-Midwife prescribed more castor oil
5:26- Midwife gives 3rd dose of castor oil
8:10- missy requested epi
10:00- midwife recommended pitocin
10:35- poor position discovered
11:14 midwife recommends they consider a c-section, missy asks if they might be able to change his position. Midwives decide to try to reposition him for a couple hours.
Repositioning fails, they move to c-section.
16:25 Missy feels incredibly guilty and sad that Finn was in so much pain, and questions where she went wrong.

At around the 17 minute mark, she does whine about how long it took the hospital to let her see Finn. She thinks they should have just known the swelling was from labour and he was fine. She was also mad that they gave him formula.

Everything points to the midwives giving bad advice. Castor oil hasn’t been recommended for years. That alone should have set off alarm bells. They also should have tried repositioning as soon as she stopped progressing. They would have known his position as soon as they broke her water. It was definitely a case of shitty advice from her midwives.

Finns birth was traumatizing and I felt so bad for her.

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Unread post by **Theirmom** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:44 pm

HelloSweetie wrote:Wait. You are going off what Missy SAID happened almost a year later in that birth story? I could have saved myself writing that long winded post and just pointed out that MISSY LIES

What we saw and heard at the time is far more reliable in my opinion.

I’m not defending Missy. She’s insufferable.

I’m saying that midwives who prescribe castor oil THREE TIMES, recommend against nipple stimulation, and don’t follow best practices are shitty at their jobs. I also don’t fault ANY woman who has been labouring for 36+ hours for poor decision making. There was an entire room full of capable adults and professionals there to call the shots.

Missy is awful and always thinks she knows best. But she was given monumentally poor medical advice. I’m basing that on what we saw in the birth vlog AND what she said in the birth story. She should have walked away from her midwife as soon as she prescribed castor oil to induce labour. That’s on her for not firing someone utterly incompetent. But everything that happened when she was 30+ hours into labour was the fault of all the people around her.

Sorry, but I’ll just never agree that a woman that deep into labour can be “driving the bus” and responsible for taking bad medical advice.

Unread post by **sammibro** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:22 am

cat9480 wrote:
onbreak wrote:Did you FREAKING know

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Why did he just stand there blinking and Bieber-facing through the whole clip? So weird.

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Bryan just skeeves me out! Mary Did You Know is a very traditional Christian Christmas song, meaning that’s it’s about Jesus and not Santa. I’m no bible thumper, but I was raised in a Christian household, and that offends me even though I’m not even a practicing Christian! Mary, did you FREAKING KNOW? What is that even supposed to be? He’s such a try-hard! Next is going to be “Away in a manger, no crib for a FREAKING BED”

Then that stupid I’m-giving-my-best-bedroom-eyes-look-so-I-can-pretend-I’m-Justin-Bieber face made me sick! I’m surprised we didn’t also get the fake pensive look with his praying hands in front of his face!

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Unread post by **HelloSweetie** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:10 am

Not saying the midwife wasn't crappy at all, just that Missy knew the Castor oil was a sketchy idea and was all for it. She even went for that walk around Disneyland hoping dehydration and heat would cause cramps and kick her into labour. She gets little sympathy fdom me for what happened with Finn at 30+ hrs because she agreed to all the poor choices and was clearly driving the bus before that. I don't believe for a second that Bryan pushed her to go that far and just failed to step in for her. Missy had to ask Mimi to help her figure out how she felt about things, and I completely think Mimi failed to step in for Missy because she was following her plan.

I work in surgical bookings and a doctor isn't going to perform a csection without a surgical consent from the mother. 30+ hrs is irrelevant. Bryan, Mimi, Papa, couldn't have made that call for Missy, and maybe they tried to tell her and she wouldn't hear it? We just don't know. I just don't think someone can knowingly be all for doing something the wrong way, but then cry foul when it bites them in the ass. Don't hire someone sketchy because you like their "off the cuff" ideas, but then act surprised when they give substandard care.

Just my opinion.

Unread post by **lmmomSD** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:48 am

Plus, she had an epidural. It's been a while, but as I recall, my epidural made labor a breeze. I am sure she slept for part of that "30+ hours". She wasn't doing Lamaze and feeling every contraction. She was eating biscuits and gravy and Chinese food. And according to Bryan's IG, "humming along to Adele".

Gaaak. I was just responding to the initial post about birth trauma making Missy scared to be pregnant again. Didn't mean to reopen this.

Poor Finn. He was cursed. He wasn't a girl, he was "late" (she was drinking raspberry tea and trying to push him out at 37 weeks) and he had the nerve to be badly positioned so Missy couldn't have her VBAC. And it definitely wasn't up to the midwives whether or not she got to see him right away. They had to make sure he didn't have bleeding on his brain. And that was very much up to the pediatrician.
Missy always knows best. She has said so many times, "oh the doctor said this, but I am going to do that instead". I am almost even willing to believe that it's been recommended that Ollie have an SLP eval, but because she thinks he's "advanced", she won't do it. The way she let him nap before his EEG shows that she doesn't listen.

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Unread post by **sparklyfluff** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:42 am

Bryan did you freaking know that your music is

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Unread post by **lmmomSD** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:52 am

sparklyfluff wrote:Bryan did you freaking know that your music is

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Best response! I seriously laughed out loud.

It's even worse when you think about what "freaking" is a euphemism for...

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Unread post by **cat9480** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:29 am

lmmomSD wrote:Poor Finn. He was cursed. He wasn't a girl, he was "late" (she was drinking raspberry tea and trying to push him out at 37 weeks) and he had the nerve to be badly positioned so Missy couldn't have her VBAC.

Does anyone remember her saying that one of her doctors told her that because of her uterus issues, they would never let her go past 37 weeks and she would be basically guaranteed that all her babies would be born by that point? I almost sure she wrote about this in her blog - not sure that it was a 37-week cut off point, but the doctor gave her some specific timeframe that apparently they would never let her go past. I think that contributed to her thinking Finn was so “overdue.” She was told this back when they thought she had a bicornuate uterus, but then they discovered that it was another issue and were able to surgically correct it to allow her to carry the past that point. But, I’m sure Missy heard that and got it stuck in her head that she is a special snowflake and would be taking home those babies at exactly 37 weeks every time, no matter what.

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Unread post by **cat9480** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:34 am

cat9480 wrote:
lmmomSD wrote:Poor Finn. He was cursed. He wasn't a girl, he was "late" (she was drinking raspberry tea and trying to push him out at 37 weeks) and he had the nerve to be badly positioned so Missy couldn't have her VBAC.
Does anyone remember her saying that one of her doctors told her that because of her uterus issues, they would never let her go past 37 weeks and she would be basically guaranteed that all her babies would be born by that point? I almost sure she wrote about this in her blog - not sure that it was a 37-week cut off point, but the doctor gave her some specific timeframe that apparently they would never let her go past. I think that contributed to her thinking Finn was so “overdue.” She was told this back when they thought she had a bicornuate uterus, but then they discovered that it was another issue and were able to surgically correct it to allow her to carry the past that point. But, I’m sure Missy heard that and got it stuck in her head that she is a special snowflake and would be taking home those babies at exactly 37 weeks every time, no matter what.

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Found it! It was 39 weeks...I knew 37 seemed really early.

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Unread post by **actuallydear** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:47 am

Has anyone realised that Ollie is Dudley Dursley and Finn is Harry Potter?

Unread post by **onbreak** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:03 am

I tell everyone.. Whatever your birthplan is.. The opposite will happen

Partly to scare the shit out of them, but also because none of mine worked out that way.

We were all birthed from someone. Kinda gross to think about..

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Unread post by **onbreak** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:04 am

Im waiting on this shut-the- front- door- so -we -can -have -a silent night song.
I really think he needs a new era to explore.. Maybe the 30s moutain people gospel.. Meh

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Unread post by **100midas** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:18 am

actuallydear wrote:Has anyone realised that Ollie is Dudley Dursley and Finn is Harry Potter?

Wasn't that actually a thread title a while ago? FinleyPotterandtheDursleys?

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Unread post by **100midas** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:27 am

Wait, he's seriously making a song called "Mary Did You Freaking Know"? I'm not offended, I just think it's stupid. It sounds like a song a group of 6th graders on a playground would make up.

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Unread post by **onbreak** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:42 am

100midas wrote:Wait, he's seriously making a song called "Mary Did You Freaking Know"? I'm not offended, I just think it's stupid. It sounds like a song a group of 6th graders on a playground would make up.

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That was the text on his instastory of him listening to himself singing

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