8 Passengers: Feeding Your Kids Leftovers and Emotions | Part 15

[sparkle lemon]

OK so this is just pure speculation, but if anyone was sexually abused within the Griffiths family, my money would be on Jennifer. From what I have read, the statistics for child sexual abuse in Utah and Idaho are significantly higher than the national average, and the Mormon church is heavily implicated in covering up / not reporting instances of abuse. Plus, you have the problematic LDS culture teaches girls from a very young age that they have very little power and that they should not question the actions of male authority figures.

One of the sisters (I can't recall if it was Bonnie, Ellie, or Ruby) once mentioned in a vlog that the children NEVER have sleepovers with anyone other than family members, and I am sure they also said that was their mother Jennifer's rule as well. While that is quite a common rule these days, it's interesting that Jennifer had the same rule in place over 30 years ago, and it's always made me wonder if there is a personal reason for it. If that is the case, good on her for acting to protect her kids, Again, this is just speculation / a rambling train of thought.

[Kellyannat]

If any of the Griffin daughters were sexually abused or raped it makes sense as to why the family is screwed up. It makes sense that they sent Chad away ( didn’t we find out that it was probably for porn?). Maybe they saw Chad was getting older and maturing and it got Ruby upset that he was interested or thinking about sex. I think the Griffins have one brother and I think he’s on YouTube but I never seen the girls talk about him and I notice I can’t find him on Instagram. Ruby and her sisters all support each other on Instagram and I seen posts about each other but never anything about their brother. It’s just strange. The sleepover thing that someone mentioned is also strange.

Give it 5-10 years and this whole Griffin is gonna be one big Netflix documentary and everything is gonna come to light. This family is super unhealthy. It’s not just ruby its also Julia, Bonnie Ellie and Beau. Their parents seem strange to me too.

[Kataja]

It starts to get wild here with the speculations. The line between gossip and defamation is something to keep in mind.
I'll be back in couple of days, this is just getting too uncomfortable for me

[Happy+Charlie]

If any of the Griffin daughters were sexually abused or raped it makes sense as to why the family is screwed up. It makes sense that they sent Chad away ( didn’t we find out that it was probably for porn?). Maybe they saw Chad was getting older and maturing and it got Ruby upset that he was interested or thinking about sex. I think the Griffins have one brother and I think he’s on YouTube but I never seen the girls talk about him and I notice I can’t find him on Instagram. Ruby and her sisters all support each other on Instagram and I seen posts about each other but never anything about their brother. It’s just strange. The sleepover thing that someone mentioned is also strange.

Give it 5-10 years and this whole Griffin is gonna be one big Netflix documentary and everything is gonna come to light. This family is super unhealthy. It’s not just ruby its also Julia, Bonnie Ellie and Beau. Their parents seem strange to me too.

When you first watch them, they seem very endearing. It's cool how they have a lot of focus on family. But then.......you begin to see their flaws and there is no turning back, lol.

From what I've seen on YouTube, I think the sisters adore their brother. He has worked hard at obtaining his degree and has a job aside from YouTube and his wife seems to be a little more stable than the Griffith girls (with some hang-ups of her own, I'm sure). They seem to have a normal life for their children with activities and good focus on school (Emily home schools). We definitely don't see him as much and I used to think the Griffith girls are just too much for her because they seem absent from a lot of things. However, when they are together, Emily seems to fit in well. Instead I think it has more to do with going with the wife's side of the family. Hence, why Ellie might be so desperate for that girl. Once her boys grow up, they'll find wives, and gravitate to her family. At this point, she will have no one coming back and worshipping her as they all worship Jennifer. Bonnie will have to share Olivia with her. If the dynamics are so, it will give Bonnie and Ellie a taste of their own medicine since they don't seem to give a toot about being close with Joel or Jared's parents.

[Kattiness Everdeen]

Kevin commented in that thread and said Julie is still in basketball...

I totally missed this comment, so after all that drama, that's all it was, for drama? Did Ruby not know Julie is still in basketball, or did she just want to maintain her image of dominance/control by pretending she followed through and made her quit? Both options are awful.

[ICantEven]

Kevin commented in that thread and said Julie is still in basketball...

I totally missed this comment, so after all that drama, that's all it was, for drama? Did Ruby not know Julie is still in basketball, or did she just want to maintain her image of dominance/control by pretending she followed through and made her quit? Both options are awful.

Yeah it was weird because Kevin's comment was right after one of Ruby's comments saying Julie had the choice to do one but not both activities.

[Catface2]

Hmmm... I wonder who was the dark haired lady cleaning the kitchen in Sharis vlog today. Very interesting. I think she accidentally showed their housekeeper

[Kattiness Everdeen]

My god, her IG comments are killing me.

She won’t be a victim mom...

She won’t help the kids get ready in the morning anymore. She won’t pack lunches. She never makes sure homework is done. Preparing your children for the day isn’t being a VICTIM MOM. That’s just Basic Mom 101. What you signed up for when you popped out one after another.

And she won’t spend hours per day driving around to activities so she put up a one activity per child boundary so she doesn’t become a victim. Well, maybe don’t have so many kids if you don’t want to drive around so much. And she said they were allowed to choose but Julie chose basketball then was told to do dance? Because Julie’s choices don’t trump Ruby’s.

Ruby is making a huge hubbub over the most basic of parenting responsibilities. These kids are annoyed about it. She’d better watch it or no grandbabies will be coming to visit that new house of theirs.


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This one got me. If that is not projection I don't know what is. Yeah Eve was surely trying to manipulate Ruby into throwing away things important to her, just like she victimizes her by needing help to fix her hair, or prepare a healthy dinner.

I guarantee you Eve doesn't view her hunger and expectation of dinner as manipulative victimization of her mother. When a mother views basic human needs for survival, like her hungry 6 yr old, as a manipulative victimizer, there is a problem. Just because a Kindergartner can open an Uncrustable package, it doesn't mean they can or should be responsible for dinner. If she feels "victimized" by the basic responsibilities of motherhood, maybe it would be a good time to seek some professional advice so she can feel "safe" again.

And is she stating that she is manipulating them as kids so when they meet worse as adults they are prepared? Because studies show that when a parent inflicts this treatment onto their own children, it typically makes them more susceptible to being targeted/victimized by similar individuals later in life. It conditions them to think it's normal and that they deserve the mistreatment. It doesn't "inoculate" them.

[fossilfinger]

So is Ruby totally utilitarian and devoid of emotions, not believing in concepts like service or loving gestures? Maybe a child is capable of doing something and wants their parent to do it because it makes them feel loved and secure. Ruby really doesn't want to do something just to be nice? Just to make her kids feel like they're being taken care of and not overwhelming them with responsibilities? I honestly have to wonder if she even loves her kids, or what she thinks love should feel like.

[lmmomSD]

It starts to get wild here with the speculations. The line between gossip and defamation is something to keep in mind.
I'll be back in couple of days, this is just getting too uncomfortable for me

I get your point, but this discussion didn't just come up randomly. Ellie responded to someone on Ruby's IG basically saying that she was a "victim of sexual abuse". Her own words. Kind of a bombshell to just drop in an Instagram comment.

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[ba1006]

Hmmm... I wonder who was the dark haired lady cleaning the kitchen in Sharis vlog today. Very interesting. I think she accidentally showed their housekeeper

This reminds me of an Ellie and Jared vlog where they were showing the nursery and there was a woman scurrying out of the room. I asked who she was on their comment section (when they had them) and didn't get an answer. She probably was a housekeeper or possibly a nanny. I'm sure there's lots of things they don't want us to know.

[casual_fan]

I completly understand the 1 activity, especially with 6 kids. I don't think anyone would disagree about that. But its the "its your choice" then manipulate them into what she wants that people have an issue with. Julie seemed to like basketball more than dance. Chad was given the choice to go public school or private and when he chose public he had to buy his own clothes and backpack. I understand if your child wants the newest thing making them pay for it, but as a parent you clothe your child.

Ah ha! This explains so much to me. When Chad was wandering in the desert with a broken toe, he was given a false choice regarding where to attend school. Ruby showed a video of her unboxing his uniforms for the expensive Mormon school. Since he didn't choose the expensive Mormon school he was required to acquire his own clothes and supplies but was never told it was part of making the "wrong choice." Ruby is a mean, nasty woman. I hope Kevin divorces her and the kids grow up and at least keep her at arms length. For someone who only wanted to be mom she sure only wanted to give birth and not actually raise a family.

[emma2948]

My god, her IG comments are killing me.

She won’t be a victim mom...

She won’t help the kids get ready in the morning anymore. She won’t pack lunches. She never makes sure homework is done. Preparing your children for the day isn’t being a VICTIM MOM. That’s just Basic Mom 101. What you signed up for when you popped out one after another.

And she won’t spend hours per day driving around to activities so she put up a one activity per child boundary so she doesn’t become a victim. Well, maybe don’t have so many kids if you don’t want to drive around so much. And she said they were allowed to choose but Julie chose basketball then was told to do dance? Because Julie’s choices don’t trump Ruby’s.

Ruby is making a huge hubbub over the most basic of parenting responsibilities. These kids are annoyed about it. She’d better watch it or no grandbabies will be coming to visit that new house of theirs.


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To whoever posted the above, I just wanted to say that you hit it right on the nail. I posted this comment onto Instagram under Ruby's previous stupid post, and she blocked me, this just confirmed it for me that everything you said is true. Can anyone go and check is the above comment is still on her insta, or whether she deleted it or not?

[ba1006]

My god, her IG comments are killing me.

She won’t be a victim mom...

She won’t help the kids get ready in the morning anymore. She won’t pack lunches. She never makes sure homework is done. Preparing your children for the day isn’t being a VICTIM MOM. That’s just Basic Mom 101. What you signed up for when you popped out one after another.

And she won’t spend hours per day driving around to activities so she put up a one activity per child boundary so she doesn’t become a victim. Well, maybe don’t have so many kids if you don’t want to drive around so much. And she said they were allowed to choose but Julie chose basketball then was told to do dance? Because Julie’s choices don’t trump Ruby’s.

Ruby is making a huge hubbub over the most basic of parenting responsibilities. These kids are annoyed about it. She’d better watch it or no grandbabies will be coming to visit that new house of theirs.


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To whoever posted the above, I just wanted to say that you hit it right on the nail. I posted this comment onto Instagram under Ruby's previous stupid post, and she blocked me, this just confirmed it for me that everything you said is true. Can anyone go and check is the above comment is still on her insta, or whether she deleted it or not?

I didn't see this particular post but there were other negative ones there.

[amyfalafalagain]

What worries me are her kids of course, but also the mums, parents, kids watching her videos thinking this is "MOM GOALS." That people relate to this Mom Victim stuff. I just cannot believe it. She is depriving her children of basic needs! She has to put a label on it, she has to make herself a victim because she decided to have as many kids as she wants? Shes not a victim. A "Powerful Mother" or whatever she's saying she is, doesnt see being a mother as being a victim. You nurture your child(ren), you provide a safe emotional and physical environment for each of them. I just cannot believe this woman. Who on earth told her about being "Mom Victim" and of course she relates to it.
What she was also saying is she needs to learn to control her own emotions. Her children's actions make her react, and how we react is what is the most meaningful or the most disruptive thing you can do for your kids. She's CHOOSING to make them her enemy, this is her choice. It's a load of BS.

I absolutely hate that there is a huge following that loves this and is eating this up and making people feel the need to use this as "sound" advice for other mothers to go ahead and try on their own kids. I hate seeing comments like "I love watching your channel because of your parenting, it makes so much sense to me" NO NO NO. It doesnt!

[lmmomSD]

What worries me are her kids of course, but also the mums, parents, kids watching her videos thinking this is "MOM GOALS." That people relate to this Mom Victim stuff. I just cannot believe it. She is depriving her children of basic needs! She has to put a label on it, she has to make herself a victim because she decided to have as many kids as she wants? Shes not a victim. A "Powerful Mother" or whatever she's saying she is, doesnt see being a mother as being a victim. You nurture your child(ren), you provide a safe emotional and physical environment for each of them. I just cannot believe this woman. Who on earth told her about being "Mom Victim" and of course she relates to it.
What she was also saying is she needs to learn to control her own emotions. Her children's actions make her react, and how we react is what is the most meaningful or the most disruptive thing you can do for your kids. She's CHOOSING to make them her enemy, this is her choice. It's a load of BS.

I absolutely hate that there is a huge following that loves this and is eating this up and making people feel the need to use this as "sound" advice for other mothers to go ahead and try on their own kids. I hate seeing comments like "I love watching your channel because of your parenting, it makes so much sense to me" NO NO NO. It doesnt!

And the people who worship Bonnie as #momgoals are concerning too. She embarrasses her kids and laughs at them, she films them in the ER, and people say things like "When I don't know what to do, I ask myself what would Bonnie do?" WTF?
They post crap about motherhood, and how much their kids mean to them, and people eat it up, and don't even notice that their actions do NOT match their words. All 3-- Ellie, Bonnie and Ruby don't even seem to like their kids. Ellie just had a talk with poor little Jackson about childbirth and he was asking if her vagina rips when the baby comes out. Like they didn't plant that idea in his head. And they swear they never talk about wanting another baby, or wanting a girl in front of him, but he prays for a baby sister.
The toxicity in that family is unreal. And people look up to them! People say that they hope Ellie gets her baby girl because she's such an amazing mother, and "deserves" a girl, whatever that means.

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[amyfalafalagain]

Sorry for the typos as Im trying to comprehend the rationality of this Victim Mom, Mom Victim nonsense so not even sure the order or words. So absurd. Maybe there is such a thing in extreme circumstances, when children are under substance abuse or something and abuse parents. Sure of course that's a thing. But Ruby is NOT in this category. We don't know for sure why Chad was sent away, but it sure sounds like normal teenage behaviour, or what Ruby doesn't understand his behaviour can be a reaction of HER actions. She made that comparison when she made a big deal about listening to Eve not long ago, she didnt make the connection to just listen to Chad and that maybe listening to him will ease his need to react the way he does to things. I mean it's common sense, it doesnt take her wanting to be a life couch to figure out listening to your children can help THEM, or showing up, or showing your interest in the things they are extremely excited about.... Is all this seem forced onto Ruby? Is that what makes her think she's becoming a Victim Mom? You're their mother. Lead by example. It's simple! They are a reflection of YOU.

[Emily81]

Hmmm... I wonder who was the dark haired lady cleaning the kitchen in Sharis vlog today. Very interesting. I think she accidentally showed their housekeeper

This reminds me of an Ellie and Jared vlog where they were showing the nursery and there was a woman scurrying out of the room. I asked who she was on their comment section (when they had them) and didn't get an answer. She probably was a housekeeper or possibly a nanny. I'm sure there's lots of things they don't want us to know.

Maybe is the new owner housekeeper

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[ctx2002]

Wow, they must really be killing it financially. That four seat UTV at 10:57 is not cheap. They usually go for around $20,000.

[ICantEven]

Ruby Do Boutique launched today. Nothing on social media yet from ruby (that I've seen), but Grandma Griff is promoting it on IG.

4 items: 2 dresses, a tee, and a chambray pinafore. One dress is 60% cotton and the other 3 items are 100% cotton. Looks like the same return policy as Bollie though.

Ruby is marketing this as modest tween clothing. One thing she's done right is target her channel audience age (not sure if her audience will care about the "modesty").