Tannerites/YAWI: Failing our kids as they fail homeschool | Part 2

[rulatows000]

I feel like Allie is kind of becoming the Jana Duggar of the family. You know, the oldest girl of the Duggar family who have 20 kids and she's the only that hasn't married. Since her parents don't believe in college or women working, she is just essentially the nanny to her younger siblings and maid of the house. Not trying to be mean or anything, but that's just immediately what came to mind when Allie was listing all the stuff she did in today's vlog - washed dishes, did story time, made beds, drove her sister to school, then planned on making salsa and pork chops with mom. I don't know if I'm the only one, but I just really feel like her family is probably influencing her in a negative way. Despite all their talk of her being an adult and all that, they just really don't strike me as the kind of parents that would want their teen girl leaving home and having a job. It's weird how she was so excited talking about moving out and having a job and all this stuff, now she's just sitting at home doing chores. Something just seems fishy to me. Especially since Johnny and Sarah have always put a disproportionate amount of responsibility on Allie and also put a lot of emphasis on the fact that she'd be able to stay home all day if she did the Cutco thing. She's always the one doing all the chores, feeding all the kids, babysitting, driving kids to school, etc. I do really want to know what happened to her full-time job that she had for only a few days and why she's not looking for another one. She just really hasn't seemed happy these past few vlogs...

[chrisb332]

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Disney princesses just take pictures, some sing which I think Allie did do some of that at one time.

I remember when Danielle was homeschooling and was basically just a sitter for the youngest boy and the parente just went to lunch regularly, how she was supposed to focus on school and watch him I don't know. Then she would get into trouble when she didn't have work done.
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Actually becoming a Disney Princess is highly competitive and they are very restrictive. First off, you have to be the exact right size (which is usually fairly short). Then you do have to have quite a performance back-round. My friends was a Ballet Dancer her whole life, the lead in many high school musicals and she got an audition to be a Disney Princess (that is the kind of performer they are looking for). She did not become a princess, and Im not sure if that was by choice or they rejected her. Yes, Allie did Choir and I believe she may have participated in a musical but never was a main character. I do not believe that Allie will be able to just jump into being a princess like she assumes she will. Disney Princesses are usually also fairly fit, and while Allie is clearly thin she is not physically fit. I also believe being a princess is not all sunshine and rainbows as Allie believes it is, Disney has a high level of expectation for its cast members especially those that represent characters who do not wear a full body costume. I am all for people pursuing their dreams, even if that is being a Disney Princess. But unfortunately Allies parents have not shown her how to research your dreams and make sure you are prepared for them. Danielle is so far the only child that actually put work into her future plans, as her dad clearly explains she did it all herself. This is also modeled on how the parents treat their younger children's homeschooling. They leave small children to figure out complicated technology on their own and are surprised when those kids walk out 20 minutes later having done nothing and missed an important window for testing due to a technical difficulty. I work in a public school with lots of kids using computers. And while kids are often very technologically savy, many still need help getting set up. I do not leave their side until I see that they have walked through the initial pieces of the program and then i check in at least every 5 minutes or so, and this is with a group of 10. There is no reason why Az should have been left on that computer for 20 minutes in what is essentially the log on screen when he was the only child doing computer work. I am all for homeschooling, I was homeschooled, but as an educator it makes me so upset to see so much educational neglect going on in this family. How and educated woman like Mara chose Branson and his family blows my mind and Im so confused by that relationship.

[ThisIsMeCeej]

I feel like Allie is kind of becoming the Jana Duggar of the family. You know, the oldest girl of the Duggar family who have 20 kids and she's the only that hasn't married. Since her parents don't believe in college or women working, she is just essentially the nanny to her younger siblings and maid of the house. Not trying to be mean or anything, but that's just immediately what came to mind when Allie was listing all the stuff she did in today's vlog - washed dishes, did story time, made beds, drove her sister to school, then planned on making salsa and pork chops with mom. I don't know if I'm the only one, but I just really feel like her family is probably influencing her in a negative way. Despite all their talk of her being an adult and all that, they just really don't strike me as the kind of parents that would want their teen girl leaving home and having a job. It's weird how she was so excited talking about moving out and having a job and all this stuff, now she's just sitting at home doing chores. Something just seems fishy to me. Especially since Johnny and Sarah have always put a disproportionate amount of responsibility on Allie and also put a lot of emphasis on the fact that she'd be able to stay home all day if she did the Cutco thing. She's always the one doing all the chores, feeding all the kids, babysitting, driving kids to school, etc. I do really want to know what happened to her full-time job that she had for only a few days and why she's not looking for another one. She just really hasn't seemed happy these past few vlogs...

I wholeheartedly believe (and may be fully wrong) that her parents were the cause of her losing her job. Like I said before... her mother made her late on a few occasions.. one by "needing Allie's car, while Johnny and Sarah's car got serviced". Because they don't give loaner cars out, when you get your car serviced (they do at literally every single car lot I have ever been to and they did it for Branson... but, not for them??). No job is going to take kindly to a person being late... especially a new hire, and I am pretty sure J&S know that and used that to get her fired. I believe they are very manipulative with their kids.. had they not wanted Daniell to go to Beauty school, you know good and well, she wouldn't be going... but, since it's something that Sarah did.. and she will be able to help cut the kids hair, it was a win for them! I think Allie may be finally realizing, she's stuck, and that's why she's depressed. I think she may feel the only way to get out of her situation, is for her to get married to a man who isn't like her father, and will let her be her own person. And that really sucks.

It's completely insane... J&S want to control every aspect of the poor girls life, they threaten her every chance they get, and hold things over her head. What kind of loving parent does that?

[ThisIsMeCeej]

Disney princesses just take pictures, some sing which I think Allie did do some of that at one time.

I remember when Danielle was homeschooling and was basically just a sitter for the youngest boy and the parente just went to lunch regularly, how she was supposed to focus on school and watch him I don't know. Then she would get into trouble when she didn't have work done.
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Actually becoming a Disney Princess is highly competitive and they are very restrictive. First off, you have to be the exact right size (which is usually fairly short). Then you do have to have quite a performance back-round. My friends was a Ballet Dancer her whole life, the lead in many high school musicals and she got an audition to be a Disney Princess (that is the kind of performer they are looking for). She did not become a princess, and Im not sure if that was by choice or they rejected her. Yes, Allie did Choir and I believe she may have participated in a musical but never was a main character. I do not believe that Allie will be able to just jump into being a princess like she assumes she will. Disney Princesses are usually also fairly fit, and while Allie is clearly thin she is not physically fit. I also believe being a princess is not all sunshine and rainbows as Allie believes it is, Disney has a high level of expectation for its cast members especially those that represent characters who do not wear a full body costume. I am all for people pursuing their dreams, even if that is being a Disney Princess. But unfortunately Allies parents have not shown her how to research your dreams and make sure you are prepared for them. Danielle is so far the only child that actually put work into her future plans, as her dad clearly explains she did it all herself. This is also modeled on how the parents treat their younger children's homeschooling. They leave small children to figure out complicated technology on their own and are surprised when those kids walk out 20 minutes later having done nothing and missed an important window for testing due to a technical difficulty. I work in a public school with lots of kids using computers. And while kids are often very technologically savy, many still need help getting set up. I do not leave their side until I see that they have walked through the initial pieces of the program and then i check in at least every 5 minutes or so, and this is with a group of 10. There is no reason why Az should have been left on that computer for 20 minutes in what is essentially the log on screen when he was the only child doing computer work. I am all for homeschooling, I was homeschooled, but as an educator it makes me so upset to see so much educational neglect going on in this family. How and educated woman like Mara chose Branson and his family blows my mind and Im so confused by that relationship.
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They have hundreds of girls (and probably guys as well) applying to try out to become a Disney Princess all the time. And depending on who they are casting for, depends on what type of girl they are looking for. From what I heard, if the other "Ariels" are 5"4'-5"6" then they only look in that height range, because they don't want a HUGE height difference, that is noticeable to the customers. They audition them with dancing skills, singing, waving, etc etc.. (I learned all of this from a girls channel I follow who was in the college work program.) she was unclear of some details but... she knew a lot. I am not sure if it differs from Disney WORLD to Disney LAND, but she was talking about WORLD. They have to know how to apply makeup, and be able to apply it fast and correctly. There's a lot to it, not just standing there, waving, and talking to little kids and getting pictures taken. (BTW I am not saying you are wrong I am just reiterating what you've said).

I don't think have the very best in mind for their kids. They don't care about their kids happiness, only their own. If they did, they would listen to their kids, and help them.. not just leave them to their own.

[rulatows000]

Did anyone else catch that comment they made in a recent vlog, about how Branson got lots of college credit in high school? They said he would only need to take, like, two classes to get his associates degree and then shrugged and said they don't know why he won't just do it. It's very obvious they never talk to their kids about long-term plans for their futures. If it was my kid, the first thing I would've done when he got home from his mission would to be to strongly encourage him to take those last two classes he needs and get his degree, that way, just in case his Youtube plans don't work, he has a back-up plan. I'm sure Branson would've benefited from having a little push to finish his education instead of just jumping blindly into Youtube and getting married. Did they ever have a discussion with Allie about going to college? I never once heard them encouraging her to at least apply to college and go on college visits. Even if a kid isn't planning on going to college, most parents encourage them to at least do some tours and applications, just in case. This whole - my kids need to do everything 100% themselves if they want something, is completely ridiculous. Danielle is really mature in taking initiative with the beauty school thing, but most kids that age just aren't equipped to make those kinds of decisions, do that kind of research, and complete all their own applications and work out costs and scheduling completely by themselves when they're just a teen. Now that Allie's Disney plans aren't working out, they really need to sit her down and say, "Hey, what do you want to do? Lets do some research together. Here are some options, lets look at them and evaluate them together." Instead of just saying, "Oh, well we can't make our kids do anything, they're on their own," and enjoying her being home and doing housework and babysitting for them, while she's obviously very confused and stressed about what her next steps in life are going to be.

[chrisb332]

I honestly feel so bad for Allie. When she got her first job she was so excited about making money and being able to move out. Then she still had a little bit of that excitement with the second job. But she didnt know how to go about making this dream possible.

[cranberryjuice05]

A while back Johnny has some effing nerve to say that he thinks "America is free and full of opportunities" LIKE STFU YOU PRIVILIGED A**HOLE. Jesus christ. Hes clearly a white supremacist. I dont think ive seen anyone in that family talk to a person of color. Aside from that kid who was branson's friend. On top of it all today's vlog was just so effing annoying with clips of lizzie and sarah crying. Priviliged much? imagine what it feels like to black and other POC in ameica everyday. Meanwhile theyre crying and b***ing about their house getting flooded. I just think all these utah mormon vloggers are white supremacists like the leroys and mikesells. ****insert puke face****

[cranberryjuice05]

A while back Johnny has some effing nerve to say that he thinks "America is free and full of opportunities" LIKE STFU YOU PRIVILIGED A**HOLE. Jesus christ. Hes clearly a white supremacist. I dont think ive seen anyone in that family talk to a person of color. Aside from that kid who was branson's friend. On top of it all today's vlog was just so effing annoying with clips of lizzie and sarah crying. Priviliged much? imagine what it feels like to black and other POC in america everyday. Meanwhile theyre crying and b***ing about their house getting flooded. I just think all these utah mormon vloggers are white supremacists like the leroys and mikesells. ****insert puke face****

[cranberryjuice05]

ive seen people mention this before in the forum but can i just add something to it...the little kids are SO EFFING ANNOYING. I could just push them off a cliff. Lizzie and Canyon annoys me the most. Canyon looks like the kid to have anger issues in school yet of course Johnny and Sarah baby him ALL THE TIME. This whole family has hella issues. The parents are toxic and that is why the kids act off and weird. I see so many similiarities with them and my parents (yes maybe im projecting lol but atleast i got years of therapy and understand what makes people toxic and socially awkward and etc). Recently there was a vlog of Canyon misbehaving and johnny was acting like it was a serious issue so i recommended in the comments that canyon goes to therapy. The next day johnny uploads a vlog talking about how magnificent canyon is and how hes a golden child...OKAY WEIRDO. They just love to isolate their kids and control their lives 24/7 i guess. Luckily brandon got to escape.

[Notsure]

So much wrong for the flooding.
One did they not see the 8passengers vlog about it flooding and breaking the basement window? I hope they just didn’t do this for views after seeing their success. If they did why didn’t they start to try and get water out from there with a bucket ASAP?
When the window broke and glass everywhere they are still walking around bare foot and in the water just hanging out. Hello glass shards!
Three. This just says these little kids need to get out more in the real world and not be so controlled and stuck inside with their family 24/7. Crying and upset hyperventilating just about water? You kids have three stories of no water your fine. Idk but when I was a kid I would actually be excited. Does savanna have some sort of issue? Why does she shake all the time with anything? Anything with adrenaline she shakes excited shakes. That’s not normal. I blame her looking malnourished all the time. Sorry but those kids need more food, nutrients and water. And not just have their parents run off all the time and be stuck with a sitter that doesn’t care about any of that.
For once Canyon is actually my favorite by saying eh no big deal I’m not crying

[chrisb332]

I have said it before how annoying I find these kids, but 100% its there parents faults. A couple things. The family was vlogging the entire experience and that would so not be my priority. Even Savannah felt the need (or was told) to vlog herself and hers siblings having a meltdown. The kids were overreacting because the parents were overreacting. Johhny was "comforting" lizzy by saying "oh its all okay" and then two seconds later "oh my goodness!" in regards to the flooding. I 100% understand an initial reaction of shock at the window breaking, but they kept freaking out. As a parent you have to model being calm and collected. Ive seen parents evacuating their houses with fires just a few 100 feet away be more calm than the Tanners parents in this video were. Johhny kept saying in front of the kids how everything was ruined and how upset he was. Buck up Johhny and Sarah, tell your kids its just stuff and just a house that can all be fixed. What matters is that you are safe and everything is going to be all good. Also, put down the camera! If youre really that freaking out please dont film it and make sure your family is safe and feels safe. Also, please dont film your children in major distress. I dont really like the younger kids, but i dont want to see Izzy and Azbury sobbing in terror. This whole video was very sick and disgusting to me. And the fact that they stretched it into two vlogs because they felt that they could make money off of this whole experiance is horrific. I am 100% betting that at least a couple of the younger kids, when they are adults, will come out and speak out against the emotional and spiritual trauma they have endured under this household. The family has already talked about how Lizzy gets so anxious she gets sick and she is constantly getting pushed over the edge and sobbing over stuff like this all the way to her siblings not playing with her (panic attacks?). Of course every child is different and some are more sensitive but Lizzy should not be dealing with this much anxiety at that age. As an adult I suffer with anxiety, and i think i had some of it when I was a kid. But my symptoms as a child were much milder because I felt safe in my household. Even if everything is okay in the household, the very fact that no one has gotten Lizzy professional help for her anxiety is concerning. This is something that only builds if you do not get it properly treated or supported, and to be this severe at Lizzys age means there is a lot of space for her anxiety to grow if it does not get treated. The same goes for Canyons anger/behavior issues. If he is willing to behave the way he does in front of family, imagine what he will be like if he ever goes to public school or is not in the care of familes. These anger issues, although not always, are also often a sign of something going on in the childs home life. If I remember correctly Branson has also gotten into some concerning things as a teenage (all brushed under the carpet and only alluded to in past vlogs). Of all the vlogging families I watch, this family is truly one of the most concerning to me.

[Lolislol26]

So much wrong for the flooding.
One did they not see the 8passengers vlog about it flooding and breaking the basement window? I hope they just didn’t do this for views after seeing their success. If they did why didn’t they start to try and get water out from there with a bucket ASAP?
When the window broke and glass everywhere they are still walking around bare foot and in the water just hanging out. Hello glass shards!
Three. This just says these little kids need to get out more in the real world and not be so controlled and stuck inside with their family 24/7. Crying and upset hyperventilating just about water? You kids have three stories of no water your fine. Idk but when I was a kid I would actually be excited. Does savanna have some sort of issue? Why does she shake all the time with anything? Anything with adrenaline she shakes excited shakes. That’s not normal. I blame her looking malnourished all the time. Sorry but those kids need more food, nutrients and water. And not just have their parents run off all the time and be stuck with a sitter that doesn’t care about any of that.
For once Canyon is actually my favorite by saying eh no big deal I’m not crying

I completely agree regarding the shoes and attempting to get the water out of the well but to be honest, I feel like the outcome was the outcome regardless. I feel like if they spent less time filming and focused more on what was happening it would have been easier for them.

I think Savannah is just anxious, I would have been crying and would have been hyperventilating if I were the kids ages, too.

Honestly, it’s not just “water” and it’s not only in the basement. There was a ton of water and a lot of damage. It was seeping into their walls and the foundation throughout the house. I really, really hope despite them living in the desert that they have flood insurance.

[ThisIsMeCeej]

So much wrong for the flooding.
One did they not see the 8passengers vlog about it flooding and breaking the basement window? I hope they just didn’t do this for views after seeing their success. If they did why didn’t they start to try and get water out from there with a bucket ASAP?
When the window broke and glass everywhere they are still walking around bare foot and in the water just hanging out. Hello glass shards!
Three. This just says these little kids need to get out more in the real world and not be so controlled and stuck inside with their family 24/7. Crying and upset hyperventilating just about water? You kids have three stories of no water your fine. Idk but when I was a kid I would actually be excited. Does savanna have some sort of issue? Why does she shake all the time with anything? Anything with adrenaline she shakes excited shakes. That’s not normal. I blame her looking malnourished all the time. Sorry but those kids need more food, nutrients and water. And not just have their parents run off all the time and be stuck with a sitter that doesn’t care about any of that.
For once Canyon is actually my favorite by saying eh no big deal I’m not crying

I completely agree regarding the shoes and attempting to get the water out of the well but to be honest, I feel like the outcome was the outcome regardless. I feel like if they spent less time filming and focused more on what was happening it would have been easier for them.

I think Savannah is just anxious, I would have been crying and would have been hyperventilating if I were the kids ages, too.

Honestly, it’s not just “water” and it’s not only in the basement. There was a ton of water and a lot of damage. It was seeping into their walls and the foundation throughout the house. I really, really hope despite them living in the desert that they have flood insurance.

I have to agree with you 100% on all 3 points you made. As soon as that window broke, they should have made everyone get shoes on. Period. And with the water rising so fast the way it was, they should have put the damn camera down, and started to do something about it, before it got so bad. Such idiots, gotta film it for the vlog, even if it means we lose the house!

Has it been said that Savannah has anxiety disorder? I wanna say they took her to the doctor about it, but I am not sure if they did now or not.. I know she has anxiety attacks all the time, and who wouldn't in that family? She honestly should be on medication, whether natural or script.. to help her calm down. It's not good for her to constantly be anxious, and not good on her heart, in the long run. And I too would have been the same way, in that situation as a kid... they don't know fully what's going on. They are worried the house will fall down, wash away like the window... the house will flood completely.. so many thoughts they have. It's not their fault.

I will be surprised to find out if they do have flood insurance or not. I wonder of it was so bad, because of the drought before the rain started? They need to figure out something, to keep the water from rushing towards the house in the long run.

[rulatows000]

That flooding is definitely not something that should have been filmed at all. They're all acting so concerned about the kids being safe and saving all their stuff - yet they literally got the camera in their hands the whole time? Jesus, put down the dam camera. There's a literal crisis going on and they're completely limited because they've got the stupid camera in someone's hands and being passed around the entire time. I can't believe them all running around barefoot when they knew the window was about to break and even after it broke. Plus, they had all the kids in the basement as they're watching the window fill up and having the little kids running up and down the stairs and going right underneath the window. Lucky they got them all upstairs before it broke, but man one of those kids could've easily been standing there when it broke because they're so concerned about their stuff and filming and everyone yelling and running around they were not thinking about the kids at all. They way there were all screaming about the stuff and having Az and Canyon running up and down the stairs to save stuff was so ridiculous. I would be screaming to get the kids out of there and make sure they're safe. Who cares about the stuff? Especially when you're millionaires and own two houses and can buy basically whatever you want.

I do think the kids' reaction was pretty normal. It did seem like a scary situation and even as an adult I think I'd be pretty close to freaking out if that happened. I'm sure the parents crying and yelling, too, made it worst for the kids. Still, I do agree that Lizzie needs help with her anxiety. Azbury, too, seems very similar to Lizzie in the way he reacts to things. He always looks extremely nervous to me and he also does the constant shaking. Whether he's excited, scared, nervous, he's always shaking, clenching his teeth, etc. All four younger kids, but the three youngest especially, worry me a lot. They seem to have a lot of problems with anxiety, nervousness, shaking, crying, not sleeping well, not wanting to sleep alone, or acting out. I know their reactions were justified this time, but I think it still says a lot about them. Lizzie and Az sobbing and shaking in fear says a lot about their anxiety and Canyon shrugging and being like, 'whatever' shows he really doesn't behave in the way a young child should. He seems like he really lacks emotion. Does definitely make you wonder what goes on in that house off cameras that those kids seem to have so many issues. It's definitely not normal for kids that young to have severe anxiety or anger issues or to be so skinny, pale, and sickly looking. Something's just not right there.

[GGF1987]

Why were they letting the kids run outside in the lightening? How dumb can you be?

As far as the flooding, I don't think there was much they could but they are lucky they didn't get anybody hurt when that window broke. As soon as they saw all that water at the window, they should've gotten everyone upstairs away from it....

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Is there no building code in Utah? = Are they actually building these houses without any water drainage, especially under such a large window cutouts?

[lmmomSD]

Is there no building code in Utah? = Are they actually building these houses without any water drainage, especially under such a large window cutouts?

I was wondering that myself. The Frankes, (8 Passengers) had a flood in their basement from a window well. It seems odd.

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[ThisIsMeCeej]

Is there no building code in Utah? = Are they actually building these houses without any water drainage, especially under such a large window cutouts?

I was wondering that myself. The Frankes, (8 Passengers) had a flood in their basement from a window well. It seems odd.

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Yeah, something odd seems to be going on. I haven't yet watched Ohana Adventures, but saw they flooded too, was that because of basement window issues too??

From the look of it, when Johnny was filming (or whomever the camera was passed to..) their house seems to be on some sort of slope downward. Or maybe I was just seeing things? But, it seemed that way to me. So, the water was pooling towards the house, instead of just naturally sitting where it hit, like over by the play area. I know it was a lot of rain, and they did have flash flood warnings, but... either it was my eyes, a trick of the camera, or there is a natural slant, to their yard.. toward their house, which is NOT a good thing.

Off topic sorta so, you don't have to read... Here in Florida, we can't have basements.. just crawl spaces if anything.. but, anyway. Our house was the first house built on our street. Since then, houses around ours, they have brought in tons of dirt and packed it, to build new houses... so, when it rained (which is constantly!) our backyard flooded... seriously, we would have a lake that came up to our waists! And we had flooding in our house because of it. Even though we had flood insurance, the deductible on it was so high, we ended up doing the repairs without touching the insurance, and then the insurance went up, because we filed a claim. Even though we never used their money! In order to try and fix the issue... my parents hired someone to dig a ditch, in our backyard. to off-put the water when it rains. So far it's helped.. Maybe They will have to do something like that too? I feel bad for the little kids... Honestly, I think they should put them into some therapy to help them with their stress and anxiety. I totally missed Az freaking out, I don't know how I missed that.. that poor little boy. He has a bully for a father and a younger brother.. and he seems like such a sensitive soul.

[ThisIsMeCeej]

Forget my comment from earlier about Ohana Adventure... I thought that was their house in the preview, when they were just helping Yawi. Duh. haha

[MiloandMax1]

Not gonna quote and make it long but what I was referring to about Allie being a Disney princess wasn't actually one at Disneyland. It was someone saying how she could start her own business doing parties and things. For that the most she might need to do is sing that characters song whom she is dressed as.