Tania Licciardo-Toivola: Beans, fake routines and sleeping like sardines. | Part 4

[Dragonmom]

I watched more bits of the Cleo vlog again. She comes across as very immature for a 20 year old. ( she isn't yet til Feb) so even at 19, she is immature. I know very few 19/20 year old who would go through that crap with the box. I have always gotten the feeling they are hiding from the public. You never know where they are, what is the truth and why she keeps on lying about stuff. Those kids are not geniuses, musically or academically. It is all too weird

How do we know the website with the Feb. 27th birth date is correct? They just released a second birthday video where Cleo says she is 20. Her Instagram says she is 20. I know they lie all the time, but I can't find anything released by them in the past where they gave her birth month, only the year. It seems really out there to push her birthday up by two months and say she is older than she is when they are always saying the other kids are younger than they really are!

[Prusseliese]

There's a video about Cleopatra's 18th birtday. It was released on February 27th 2018, but could have been filmed in December. And the shopping centre in Sweden was decorated like Christmas... well, I don't know how people in Sweden decorate their shops, but here in February it doens't look like Christmas anymore.

[chocolatelover711]

Will someone please ask her on IG (or on her next premiere) to clairfy her relation to Jennas family. As far as I can understand, Jenna's dad is T's cousin, is this the cousin she borrowed a car from? It seems Jenna's dad is also the nephew of Jennas mom? Is this correct? Because Jenna's mom's dad is Jennas dad's grandfather right? So Jenna and Leo would be cousins once removed? Or second cousins? I know its legal to marry a cousin in Finland but it makes you wonder if maybe this is why T is trying to distance herself from them. As her audience grows, perhaps she's come aware that people in other cultures may not think of cousin marriage as no big deal?
I remember thinking it was odd how Leo kept joking that she was his sister and that people were noticing that Jennas house before she married him was already listed as a Toivola residence, so he was deflecting to distract from the truth?
Also, they've changed Cleos birthday to Dec. And I noticed that in Feb one year, Cleo wished Nef a happy birthday on Twitter. So Nefs bday is Feb, Aug, or Nov as all 3 have been stated?

I think if people are waiting for a straight answer from this woman about anything important, they will wait an eternity. Where did you read that Jenna's parents were aunt and nephew? That is GROSS if true. Second cousins is one thing- not great but not out of the ordinary back in the day- but that is just ick!

[CoffeeaddictMac]

Only enjoyment out of the birthday yawnfest was the Chipmunk voices before blowing out the candles. I have said this before but five days for a birthday is excessive. Shakespeare plays up for his mum on camera. Of course they not going to say anything vegan isn't yummy. When did star wars come out in theatre? Timeline wise? I saw a small clip cleo and her dad went. My opinion is T shaved Omega head cause she wants to keep him as a baby for longer. Anyway. My two cents in.

[CoffeeaddictMac]

Only enjoyment out of the birthday yawnfest was the Chipmunk voices before blowing out the candles. I have said this before but five days for a birthday is excessive. Shakespeare plays up for his mum on camera. Of course they not going to say anything vegan isn't yummy. When did star wars come out in theatre? Timeline wise? I saw a small clip cleo and her dad went. My opinion is T shaved Omega head cause she wants to keep him as a baby for longer. Anyway. My two cents in.

[Kanary]

What 20 year old gets/wants a baby alive doll? Her gifts were wrapped in Disney princesses why won’t she let her be her age? She’s not N or A age she’s 20! Also I checked and the movie they went to see Rise of the SkyWalker came out Dec 20...so this is a recent video. Also, her 18th birthday video was uploaded late because you can see the Christmas decor in the background unless Sweden keeps decor up until February...but I think the timeline is off because this was when they were uploading things all wrong & out of order so it may very we’ll be her birthday this month. Also, I do believe this is a temp house just like her previous “We moved/Our new house” videos. When watching the tour & saw the granny flat was it’s own little apartment why not let Cleo be the adult she is & live in it or let the real dad in the house Jerusalem have his own space instead of sleeping on the floor in a loft with R, D, & S. He had to share a bed with them the whole trip allow him some space. But neither of those will work because who will see about the little ones while J is in the flat or how will they maintain C be a little girl if she lives by herself? Smh this family is beyond crazy

[Damom1]

The info was posted in another group, commentor said they were friends of the family that are still in Australia, will try to find it

[draconessa]

Hello after all the celebrations - hope everyone had a good Christmas. Now, I have watched recent vlogs. First of all - the so-called new house - this looks like a property for a holiday rental - you can see many similar buildings in its' neighbourhood. As nice as it is, this is far too small for a big family - no way they could be comfortable in there. On the other hand - it is stll an improvement compared to motorhome. But not for a prolonged time. Those poor kids have no space to play, no place they could call their own, personal bit of floor. And did I hear right TT was mentioning how lovely that will be in the summer? Seems their move to Australia did not work for one reason or another. What I would do to improve the situation is move Jers or Cleo to granny house ( it s heated, and especally Cleo needs to start getting a bit more independent), get another single mattress to go on the top landing - and possibly change the double one into two single ones. I would then move Jers into the room that is currently Cleo's and would move KJ on a single mattress into the attic with Romeo, Shaky and D'Arty. I know, not ideal, but still better, than horrible trussle bed he is meant to sleep on. Cleo's birthday - they did actually give an adult woman a doll suitable for babies! I can not believe this - I could understand if that was a collector's type doll, but this? In a childish, pink wrapping? Really? This only shows, how immature Cleo is, and how - sorry to say - not the brightest star in the sky. Her only interest is getting a husband. Nothing more. Oh, and playing with a doll. Wake up, Cleo, the disaster will hit you when you set up your own family - you are not prepared for independent living. Better start spreading your wings , dear, or your crazy mother will be babying you to her death! Do not quite understand cutting Omega's hair - he hardly has any, anyway? What was that meant to serve? What purpose? I have noticed his hair is awfully thin. All kids look very unhealthy and malnourished - very thin, dark circles under eyes. And - my God - how KJ was tucking into that sandwich torte. I have to say, at least that look appetizing, had some colour to it - I hope this was not the only meal thay had that day, though, as they all seem to be really starved. TT passes her very probable eating disorder on the whole family, it seems. I hope Social Services will turn their attention onto them, as all this madness starts to have a really bad effect on kids' health, their education and social skills ( non existent).

[Dru55]

I watched more bits of the Cleo vlog again. She comes across as very immature for a 20 year old. ( she isn't yet til Feb) so even at 19, she is immature. I know very few 19/20 year old who would go through that crap with the box. I have always gotten the feeling they are hiding from the public. You never know where they are, what is the truth and why she keeps on lying about stuff. Those kids are not geniuses, musically or academically. It is all too weird
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How do we know the website with the Feb. 27th birth date is correct? They just released a second birthday video where Cleo says she is 20. Her Instagram says she is 20. I know they lie all the time, but I can't find anything released by them in the past where they gave her birth month, only the year. It seems really out there to push her birthday up by two months and say she is older than she is when they are always saying the other kids are younger than they really are!

I think you are right. TT is good at putting out lies to I guess, stop people finding out where they really are. They can't be hiding fromm social services can they? I read that on Finnish forums some people had reported them. They must be getting benefits as well. Not sure how much money they are getting from YT as their views are not huge. It's all very strange.

[KattyGurl95]

Will someone please ask her on IG (or on her next premiere) to clairfy her relation to Jennas family. As far as I can understand, Jenna's dad is T's cousin, is this the cousin she borrowed a car from? It seems Jenna's dad is also the nephew of Jennas mom? Is this correct? Because Jenna's mom's dad is Jennas dad's grandfather right? So Jenna and Leo would be cousins once removed? Or second cousins? I know its legal to marry a cousin in Finland but it makes you wonder if maybe this is why T is trying to distance herself from them. As her audience grows, perhaps she's come aware that people in other cultures may not think of cousin marriage as no big deal?
I remember thinking it was odd how Leo kept joking that she was his sister and that people were noticing that Jennas house before she married him was already listed as a Toivola residence, so he was deflecting to distract from the truth?
Also, they've changed Cleos birthday to Dec. And I noticed that in Feb one year, Cleo wished Nef a happy birthday on Twitter. So Nefs bday is Feb, Aug, or Nov as all 3 have been stated?

I’ve been reading all the threads but I’m a first time commenter, are you talking about Jenna’s real dad or her step dad? I know Jenna‘s mom Jaana is a toivola and Jaana’s dad (Jenna’s Grandfather) is a Toivola.

[LisaEvans2]

Hi Dru yeh,thats why i asked,coz have read several times that C’s bday is feb..the 27th i think...
So,is this from oct ( coz one theory is the vlogs are two mths behind) from now ( Dec) or feb,but last feb...and really her 19 th birthday,
You wd need a Philadelphia lawyer to get to the bottom of it all! X

One of those Philadelphia lawyers is sitting a few feet away from me. However, he would think I was insane if he ever knew I was invested in this crazy circus.

Her supporters and defenders have come out in full force on the “Truth about the Licciardo Toivola” video. You would think some of those people are their best friends and know them intimately and will defend anything. it’s no use trying to make them “see the light”.

Hehe! Wildy,thats so random about the PL sitting right by you!
And...me too,I tell nobody I am invested in this forum and mulling over the TLT family’s activities! They would think I was insane too!
Ps is anyone else having trouble getting into this site? I know one person mentioned it,just beforeXmas i think
Its taken me three tries to get logged in x

Yup I have had to re register and have been locked out of this crappy site for Xmas. *Crappy in that it is clunky and not working properly and NOT because of the lovely users and forum topics I too, wish to know why she shaved Omega's hair (which is what they did in the old days to kids with lice) . It is so harsh and WHY DO IT when they are back in bitter arctic chills. Omega knows ge is "The Baby Boss" ( and nice fork action there at the table btw but at least TT disciplined him AT LAST). So on her IG she castigates someone for describing her cabin as her "new house" she says "I called my Vlog new home tour" ( forgetting that on the Vlog before she DID call it "new house").She wishes to make the distinction as a new home is temporary and that Australia is still in the offing (yeah right!) as she also keeps saying "watch this space". Perhaps the crazy van tour only brought in a paltry amount of dosh from YT and did not match TT's crazy expectations. Thus they are still in need of all those generous state handouts from the Helsinki government. Interesting that 2 highly critical YT fils/threads have popped up and the one on the poor nutrition is bang on. There are the weird"stans" defending her but Doctors on the comments stating Taina looks like she has an eating disorder. I am not trying to diagnose but I have worked (years ago) with anorexic girls and they can be very controllling. One would cook the family dinners to cover the fact she never eat and she would ask the family like TT at ALMOST EVERY mouthful "is that yummy"? So very exhausting. Yes Jerusalem does look like he is seething (adolescent boys need space, privacy and the company of their peers) TT is an ogre

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

“Even tho you've got the latest,best best iphone there is, we bought you two more gifts” then two seconds later,
“Even tho we got you the newest biggest iphone,we also got you...”
All said for the benefit of the audience’s ears..(look how kind we are to our children! )

And if sbody stressed to me how much they had spent on my bday,i wd feel v uncomfortable! Poor cleo!

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

One of those Philadelphia lawyers is sitting a few feet away from me. However, he would think I was insane if he ever knew I was invested in this crazy circus.

Her supporters and defenders have come out in full force on the “Truth about the Licciardo Toivola” video. You would think some of those people are their best friends and know them intimately and will defend anything. it’s no use trying to make them “see the light”.

Hehe! Wildy,thats so random about the PL sitting right by you!
And...me too,I tell nobody I am invested in this forum and mulling over the TLT family’s activities! They would think I was insane too!
Ps is anyone else having trouble getting into this site? I know one person mentioned it,just beforeXmas i think
Its taken me three tries to get logged in x

Yup I have had to re register and have been locked out of this crappy site for Xmas. *Crappy in that it is clunky and not working properly and NOT because of the lovely users and forum topics I too, wish to know why she shaved Omega's hair (which is what they did in the old days to kids with lice) . It is so harsh and WHY DO IT when they are back in bitter arctic chills. Omega knows ge is "The Baby Boss" ( and nice fork action there at the table btw but at least TT disciplined him AT LAST). So on her IG she castigates someone for describing her cabin as her "new house" she says "I called my Vlog new home tour" ( forgetting that on the Vlog before she DID call it "new house").She wishes to make the distinction as a new home is temporary and that Australia is still in the offing (yeah right!) as she also keeps saying "watch this space". Perhaps the crazy van tour only brought in a paltry amount of dosh from YT and did not match TT's crazy expectations. Thus they are still in need of all those generous state handouts from the Helsinki government. Interesting that 2 highly critical YT fils/threads have popped up and the one on the poor nutrition is bang on. There are the weird"stans" defending her but Doctors on the comments stating Taina looks like she has an eating disorder. I am not trying to diagnose but I have worked (years ago) with anorexic girls and they can be very controllling. One would cook the family dinners to cover the fact she never eat and she would ask the family like TT at ALMOST EVERY mouthful "is that yummy"? So very exhausting. Yes Jerusalem does look like he is seething (adolescent boys need space, privacy and the company of their peers) TT is an ogre

Thanks Lis,sorry to hear it,but glad i am not the only one..have a new ipad for my bday and it whizzes along with everything,but on here it takes ages to log in,post anything
And yes! For once,Om is disciplined!
Yet again tho....
nobody says thank you when handed food
KJ is ravenous
Paul says nothing at all
Shakespeare overacts in a weird frenzied manner

[honeybeex]

I watched more bits of the Cleo vlog again. She comes across as very immature for a 20 year old. ( she isn't yet til Feb) so even at 19, she is immature. I know very few 19/20 year old who would go through that crap with the box. I have always gotten the feeling they are hiding from the public. You never know where they are, what is the truth and why she keeps on lying about stuff. Those kids are not geniuses, musically or academically. It is all too weird

How do we know the website with the Feb. 27th birth date is correct? They just released a second birthday video where Cleo says she is 20. Her Instagram says she is 20. I know they lie all the time, but I can't find anything released by them in the past where they gave her birth month, only the year. It seems really out there to push her birthday up by two months and say she is older than she is when they are always saying the other kids are younger than they really are!

EXACTLY! I tried to say this earlier. Anyone can change famous birthdays and the information on it is not often correct! Omega looks Very young in her 18th birthday video, only a month or so old, and as someone else here has said there were xmas decorations up in it. I'm not one to defend the LT's often, but I actually don't think they are lying about this. It's just Cleo's 18th birthday post was late!

[JerricaBenton]

Did anyone catch in the video of Cleo playing the piano with her long nails, that Taina was really quick to tell her not to play a piece of her own music? Does she really think it is so awesome that she needs to protect it? Haha!

That "whoooooaaaaaa" noise the kids make whenever something happens is really starting to annoy me. It doesn't sound authentic, it sounds very fake.

So they didn't homeschool Shapespeare in 2016, wonder when that started?

[JerricaBenton]

So are KJ, Aph and Omega not getting a birthday? Are they not all November born? (as per the nappy gang video).

[honeybeex]

So are KJ, Aph and Omega not getting a birthday? Are they not all November born? (as per the nappy gang video).

I thought this! They should have all had birthday's recently !!! Which makes KJ 4, Aph 3, and OM 2, but I think crazy Taina still wants to lie and pretend they are younger so she can continue to baby them. Or it is just overt favouritism, she often doesn't give KJ or Aph as much attention as she does to Nef and Om, but that doesn't really explain why Om didn't get a birthday video, so i can assume it's because she wants to baby them! Om is a very spoilt baby indeed, compared to the others, the fork thing really annoyed me, especially as he IS 2 and should know better, I know kids act up and its normal, but Om is very demanding and comparing him to the others such as KJ who would never dare to do that out of what i would assume is fear, and just a lack of confidence, shows how obvious Om is favoured compared to the other toddlers. (other than Nef, but she is a child not a baby, but TT doesn't want to believe that!)

[KarmaViolet]

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These videos from Cleo’s birthday have to be very recent as the movie premiered in Finland just a bit over a week ago. Unless they’re lying about going to see it.


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[Hariett]

I looked it up and saw that her birthday is in February and she was born in 2000. Good knows what TT is up to here

Hi Dru yeh,thats why i asked,coz have read several times that C’s bday is feb..the 27th i think...
So,is this from oct ( coz one theory is the vlogs are two mths behind) from now ( Dec) or feb,but last feb...and really her 19 th birthday,
You wd need a Philadelphia lawyer to get to the bottom of it all! X

One of those Philadelphia lawyers is sitting a few feet away from me. However, he would think I was insane if he ever knew I was invested in this crazy circus.

Her supporters and defenders have come out in full force on the “Truth about the Licciardo Toivola” video. You would think some of those people are their best friends and know them intimately and will defend anything. it’s no use trying to make them “see the light”.

Hey wildbeast, I watched that video, too and I have to say that it's a very bad video in my opinion. That woman has no idea what she talks about and it seems like she only saw 1-2 videos of them. If she wants to call out on someone, she should do it right and get her facts straight... If you ask me that goth mom is quite strange herself and 90% of what she says is bs.
Having a Patreon herself (people who pay her for that kind of videos) and at the same time accusing them of begging for money on the streets (referring to a photo of the older kids playing instruments on a street what many young "musicians" do in Europe to get some audience..)
There is so much to criticise about this family but badly made and researched videos like hers only make T and her fan base stronger.. I am sure any of us would have made a better video about them.. Goth mom should come and read here


I thought about Cleo's birthday again (ok, have to admit that this might not be normal as well, lol) and I think the ones who said it's in december are right. Taina always has had some delay in posting her videos and I think her insta post from February was just to be in a timeline with her video posts.. Like her own birthday post more than a month later..

[robyngiumelli]

Hi Dru yeh,thats why i asked,coz have read several times that C’s bday is feb..the 27th i think...
So,is this from oct ( coz one theory is the vlogs are two mths behind) from now ( Dec) or feb,but last feb...and really her 19 th birthday,
You wd need a Philadelphia lawyer to get to the bottom of it all! X

One of those Philadelphia lawyers is sitting a few feet away from me. However, he would think I was insane if he ever knew I was invested in this crazy circus.

Her supporters and defenders have come out in full force on the “Truth about the Licciardo Toivola” video. You would think some of those people are their best friends and know them intimately and will defend anything. it’s no use trying to make them “see the light”.

Hey wildbeast, I watched that video, too and I have to say that it's a very bad video in my opinion. That woman has no idea what she talks about and it seems like she only saw 1-2 videos of them. If she wants to call out on someone, she should do it right and get her facts straight... If you ask me that goth mom is quite strange herself and 90% of what she says is bs.
Having a Patreon herself (people who pay her for that kind of videos) and at the same time accusing them of begging for money on the streets (referring to a photo of the older kids playing instruments on a street what many young "musicians" do in Europe to get some audience..)
There is so much to criticise about this family but badly made and researched videos like hers only make T and her fan base stronger.. I am sure any of us would have made a better video about them.. Goth mom should come and read here


I thought about Cleo's birthday again (ok, have to admit that this might not be normal as well, lol) and I think the ones who said it's in december are right. Taina always has had some delay in posting her videos and I think her insta post from February was just to be in a timeline with her video posts.. Like her own birthday post more than a month