Steps to Wander

[ewokfan11]

I live in the DMV and rarely see any residents in the city raising a baby, they usually move out to Arlington, Fairfax, or Alexandria where it's easier to have a car and get around before baby or shortly after baby comes.

Nice to have something to compare it to. I'm from Portland, then lived in DC/NOVA for 6 years, then back to Portland. They are very similar cities in some ways. Young people live in the urban areas for fun in cheap-ish areas/places, but only the really established/wealthy can live in those central areas comfortably once they pop out those kids. In both PDX and DC, all the young parents I know moved out of the central area for quality of life and/or to SAVE MONEY - and a lot of those people already have a lot of $$$.

Kelsey and Corbin are chasing a weird hipster dream.

[lmmomSD]

I think they've seen too many episodes of Sex and the City, where Charlotte and Miranda are going around the city with their strollers and hip babies.

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[HashtagBlessed]

I live in the DMV and rarely see any residents in the city raising a baby, they usually move out to Arlington, Fairfax, or Alexandria where it's easier to have a car and get around before baby or shortly after baby comes.

Nice to have something to compare it to. I'm from Portland, then lived in DC/NOVA for 6 years, then back to Portland. They are very similar cities in some ways. Young people live in the urban areas for fun in cheap-ish areas/places, but only the really established/wealthy can live in those central areas comfortably once they pop out those kids. In both PDX and DC, all the young parents I know moved out of the central area for quality of life and/or to SAVE MONEY - and a lot of those people already have a lot of $$$.

Kelsey and Corbin are chasing a weird hipster dream.

Just chiming in that I live in Alexandria. Yes, even the suburbs of DC are quite expensive places to live if you want some space, a reasonable commute, and you care about things like a decent school district. I wouldn't be surprised if the surrounding areas of Portland are similar. I think they should have put Portland on the back burner until they knew they could afford it. A dog and a baby with two adults in a tiny one bedroom apartment sounds miserable. Maybe the location is awesome, but the apartment itself was very drab. And they're most likely not getting a car in order to afford this place in the city. I think they'll have the van money to supplement their income for a short period of time and then they'll be scrambling. They probably feel pretty comfortable right now with that money in their pocket, but it won't last long.

Someone pointed out that they don't have any family (or friends?) in Portland. That's a pretty big support system that they're forgoing by not moving back to Idaho, at least for the first year. I get the impression the vlogs aren't "fun" for them anymore since the trip ended and that's why the quality has been lacking. But once they have a newborn and all the stress that comes along with that in terms of your marriage and your finances, the vlogs really won't be "fun" anymore.

[Nothankyou]

I live in the DMV and rarely see any residents in the city raising a baby, they usually move out to Arlington, Fairfax, or Alexandria where it's easier to have a car and get around before baby or shortly after baby comes.

Nice to have something to compare it to. I'm from Portland, then lived in DC/NOVA for 6 years, then back to Portland. They are very similar cities in some ways. Young people live in the urban areas for fun in cheap-ish areas/places, but only the really established/wealthy can live in those central areas comfortably once they pop out those kids. In both PDX and DC, all the young parents I know moved out of the central area for quality of life and/or to SAVE MONEY - and a lot of those people already have a lot of $$$.

Kelsey and Corbin are chasing a weird hipster dream.

Just chiming in that I live in Alexandria. Yes, even the suburbs of DC are quite expensive places to live if you want some space, a reasonable commute, and you care about things like a decent school district. I wouldn't be surprised if the surrounding areas of Portland are similar. I think they should have put Portland on the back burner until they knew they could afford it. A dog and a baby with two adults in a tiny one bedroom apartment sounds miserable. Maybe the location is awesome, but the apartment itself was very drab. And they're most likely not getting a car in order to afford this place in the city. I think they'll have the van money to supplement their income for a short period of time and then they'll be scrambling. They probably feel pretty comfortable right now with that money in their pocket, but it won't last long.

Someone pointed out that they don't have any family (or friends?) in Portland. That's a pretty big support system that they're forgoing by not moving back to Idaho, at least for the first year. I get the impression the vlogs aren't "fun" for them anymore since the trip ended and that's why the quality has been lacking. But once they have a newborn and all the stress that comes along with that in terms of your marriage and your finances, the vlogs really won't be "fun" anymore.

I'm in the DMV as well. We moved from Fairfax county down to Fredericksburg to be able to afford a house to buy when we were pregnant with our first child.

I think they'll also realize how sucky it is walking their dog every time he needs to potty with a baby. These two are idiots.


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[OhHiImSam]

To drag on the baby and public transportation just because it happened to me on my morning commute: there isn't enough room on a bus or metro/subway/underground for a goddamn stroller. Sorry not sorry.

I don't mind it so much in the afternoon when there aren't a lot of people on the train but I'm on a line that goes past an airport, downtown DC, a university, and the Smithsonian/monuments. It is crowded in the morning and after 5:00 and a stroller takes up the space of two people. and it's not easy to maneuver around or easy to maneuver through the crowd. Like, this morning I almost tripped over the fucking thing because people blocking the door had no where to move and the mom was pushing the stroller into my legs.

I might just be a little miffed over the minor inconvenience but, that's what it is: an inconvenience for everyone involved. Public transit isn't really designed for someone with a giant stroller and diaper bag to lug with them. It's better in a suburb because, in my experience, you don't have as many people using it that you will in Portland, New York, DC, etc.

In cities, public transport is designed to help people with 9-5 jobs get to work as easily as possible (I know my fellow DMVers are cackling with me)... Not for parents to rush a sick infant to the emergency room.

I know when I'm finally ready to have a kid, I will sacrifice my trendy apartment for a small house and a car. I don't think they've thought this through enough.

[HashtagBlessed]

I feel like if they want to try to live in Portland on their YouTube income and whatever part-time freelancing work they do, that's their prerogative. And likewise, if they want to have a newborn and a dog in a one bedroom apartment without a car, best of luck to them.

It's just kind of baffling to me that they assumed they didn't have to crunch the numbers and plan for how they would pay for their expenses before starting their family, and that they don't think they need traditional jobs to support themselves and a child.

It's equally baffling to me that Kelsey assumes she will be a stay at home parent. That's something reasonable adults save and plan for if they want to make that happen, especially if they plan to be a one income household in a city. I don't think she's ever worked full-time or utilized her degree, which puts her in a very precarious situation. If Corbin won't get it together and provide, she has very few options herself. She'd be looking at minimum wage jobs to get her foot in the door, and it will be very expensive to pay for childcare if they both need to find work. I don't think either of them have ever had the kind of job where you can support a family. I think Corbin was doing entry level work at a local news station before he quit. As a liberal arts college grad without an advanced degree, you have to put the work in and stick with something to climb the career ladder, and it takes years before you're making good money.

Like I said before, there are successful YouTubers who did their channel as a side hustle for years before they could quit their day jobs. But they think their special and don't have to put the work in. It's just an all-around unfortunate situation they've put themselves in. Time will tell if their channel is lucrative enough, maybe their popularity will skyrocket after the baby is born, but I have my doubts. I certainly wouldn't be comfortable hedging my family's financial future on something they put so little effort into.

[melonyogloo]

I really do not care where they choose to live or whether Kelsey works. Maybe they don't want to be just another suburban family Youtuber. They want to capture a niche. However, they are living up to their "be where your feet are" motto though.

For someone who rely on social media to make a living fulltime, I really think they are extremely lazy. Their webpage is not up to date. Their facebook just shows their new Youtube uploads. In today's video she spent 4 minutes recapping and 3 minutes telling us she does not want to buy new bras. You can just tell they put no effort into it. They have 16 hours a day to come up with contents but the videos look just like when they had only 2 during the first go around. I turn on AdBlock specifically to watch their Youtube videos because I really do not think they deserve any ad revenue.

[Nothankyou]

Wow. Corbin sounded so entitled today when he was discussing how "stressed out" he was because he has been forced into a project he didn't want to do at a bad time. Seriously if I was his employer or any potential employer that would make a really bad impression. Yes Corbin, employers expect you to work and contribute even when it's during a time of your life that is hectic. What a poor attitude he has about work. He really annoyed me today with the whining about his work project. How about being grateful that you were given a project at all!?


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[perctpiper]

Ok, I'm surprised that this public transport debate has continued on. The reason being that Portland has a wonderful street car system that is extremely easy to use with a stroller and makes it's way around almost the entire city. I know many people there who do not have a car and have no trouble.

I was not a mother in the city, but I was a nanny. The baby and I were all over that city during my shifts because it's truly a fantastic walking city! While I think taking the bus would be difficult with a stroller, I don't think they would need to use a bus unless they were traveling outside the city.

I also think they're lame and immature but not because they don't want a car in one of the easiest places not to have a car...

[fossilfinger]

Most buses I see have a designated area for a stroller. They also have a seat in that area that can be flipped down if there is no stroller on that ride. Even if people live in the suburbs, when they go into the cities they will want to use the public transportation to avoid traffic.

[ewokfan11]

Ok, I'm surprised that this public transport debate has continued on. The reason being that Portland has a wonderful street car system that is extremely easy to use with a stroller and makes it's way around almost the entire city. I know many people there who do not have a car and have no trouble.

I was not a mother in the city, but I was a nanny. The baby and I were all over that city during my shifts because it's truly a fantastic walking city! While I think taking the bus would be difficult with a stroller, I don't think they would need to use a bus unless they were traveling outside the city.

I also think they're lame and immature but not because they don't want a car in one of the easiest places not to have a car...

Are you sure you lived in Portland, Oregon? The streetcar is only really, really central/downtown PDX and their new place appears to be much farther out on the cheaper Eastside. They are definitely going to be taking a lot of buses.

As I've mentioned, I lived in the Pearl on the streetcar line and I would still 100% tell them to get a car.

[perctpiper]

Ok, I'm surprised that this public transport debate has continued on. The reason being that Portland has a wonderful street car system that is extremely easy to use with a stroller and makes it's way around almost the entire city. I know many people there who do not have a car and have no trouble.

I was not a mother in the city, but I was a nanny. The baby and I were all over that city during my shifts because it's truly a fantastic walking city! While I think taking the bus would be difficult with a stroller, I don't think they would need to use a bus unless they were traveling outside the city.

I also think they're lame and immature but not because they don't want a car in one of the easiest places not to have a car...

Are you sure you lived in Portland, Oregon? The streetcar is only really, really central/downtown PDX and their new place appears to be much farther out on the cheaper Eastside. They are definitely going to be taking a lot of buses.

As I've mentioned, I lived in the Pearl on the streetcar line and I would still 100% tell them to get a car.

Yes! It was two years ago though that I moved and I assumed that the construction on the east side would be done. My bad move assuming something. In that case, you're right on!!!! I do know, and did know families with no car in Portland, though. So I definitely think it would be an easier city to have no car. Especially in comparison to where I live now, the Bay Area.

[ewokfan11]

Yes! It was two years ago though that I moved and I assumed that the construction on the east side would be done.

The eastside construction is done, but it only goes about 5-7 blocks east of the river. Their new place is probably closer to their old place...WAAAAAY out on NE 47th and Glisan. From their hints, I think their new place is actually closer to Alberta area.

Anyway, other people curious about PDX transit might enjoy this map of the streetcar loop. It is convenient, but it doesn't cover much area.

https://storage.googleapis.com/streetca ... LY2016.pdf

[perctpiper]

Yes! It was two years ago though that I moved and I assumed that the construction on the east side would be done.

The eastside construction is done, but it only goes about 5-7 blocks east of the river. Their new place is probably closer to their old place...WAAAAAY out on NE 47th and Glisan. From their hints, I think their new place is actually closer to Alberta area.

Anyway, other people curious about PDX transit might enjoy this map of the streetcar loop. It is convenient, but it doesn't cover much area.

https://storage.googleapis.com/streetca ... LY2016.pdf

Thank you for the link, should have googled it before assuming... again, lol.

[HashtagBlessed]

Wow. Corbin sounded so entitled today when he was discussing how "stressed out" he was because he has been forced into a project he didn't want to do at a bad time. Seriously if I was his employer or any potential employer that would make a really bad impression. Yes Corbin, employers expect you to work and contribute even when it's during a time of your life that is hectic. What a poor attitude he has about work. He really annoyed me today with the whining about his work project. How about being grateful that you were given a project at all!?


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Yep, that's called having a boss, Corbin. I'm assuming this is related to his remote part-time job. But he didn't really say, it could have been something else. But it definitely sounded like they were cracking down on him at his remote job and expected him to be online and complete projects, as opposed to whatever the set-up was when he was on the road.

As a woman Kelsey's age who is also married and also has a college degree, I find it very strange that Kelsey has never spoken about a full-time job or alluded to any career aspirations or how she contributes financially since she graduated. It would make sense if Corbin made plenty to support a family, but they've always appeared to struggle financially. Kelsey mentioned selling her artwork, but she couldn't finish a piece. I have a feeling she just expects to be taken care of one way or the other, despite the fact that neither one has a work ethic. I'm still kind of shocked that Missy and Bryan were giving them a $1,000 every month during their trip. I wonder if that's continued? Missy and Bryan have more money than they know what to do with and they have zero financial literacy or experience managing large sums of money, so it makes sense that they'd just be doling it out like it grows on trees.

[ewokfan11]

As a woman Kelsey's age who is also married and also has a college degree, I find it very strange that Kelsey has never spoken about a full-time job or alluded to any career aspirations or how she contributes financially since she graduated.

I also find this VERY weird. I know she was a part-time nanny while in college, but I don't think she worked at all after moving to Portland.

Also, have they ever discussed student loans? Corbin went to a REALLY expensive college...like $60,000 a year!!! And Kelsey would have had to pay out-of-state tuition for her degree at Southern Oregon...and that's about $35,000 a year. They don't come from wealthy families, so I'm assuming they have A LOT of student loans that they are probably currently deferring due to lack of income. YIKES!!!

Maybe Corbin will get a real job once they are back in Portland...if he can find one.

[Pency]

Between Corbin whining about his job, and Kelsey whining about drinking some sugary drink, driving on ice, hospitals, etc....I'm wondering if they are fully prepared for parenthood.

[just_me]

Considering it seems they choose an apartment with a bathtub because that's what Kelsey wants instead of getting a car that would help get them around more easily with a baby, I don't think they are ready at all to be parents. I don't have kids, but I thought when you became a parent you put the child's needs before your own. Car trumps bathtub, a bedroom for your baby trumps living in a trendy area, etc. I know parents can have something of a life, but K&C seem to be going the DB way in that your kids are just an accessory and don't change how you live your life.

[marshmallowfluf]

It's disappointing to see how much they really are like bryan and missy. I always wondered how in the world are they friends when they are so different! But im seeing more and more that they are the same entitled brats..


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[HashtagBlessed]

I love that they say the video will include the new apartment layout and design, and they ask people to comment below on it, but they never actually show the finished design or explain anything! There's no footage except for a very light pencil sketch. They do not think before they post and they don't put any thought into what their audience wants to see. They could have made a video about how they're going to create a nursery "nook" and how to have a baby in a small space, but they didn't say anything about that.

I had to roll my eyes that Kelsey didn't Google the glucose test or ask her midwife about it. It's pretty well known and talked about. And I call BS on the drink being so bad for mother and baby, only because Kelsey shows herself drinking those sugary Starbucks drinks every day! She's not the health nut she'd like to pretend she is- they lived on quesadillas during the trip. I don't care about that, but they need to stop pretending they're diet is so special. Yes, drinking 100 grams of sugar for the three hour test and 50 grams of sugar for the one hour test isn't ideal, but it's not going to seriously harm you.