Tannerites/YAWI: Failing our kids as they fail homeschool | Part 2

[Kattiness Everdeen]

Props to you guys for all the family info, I wasn't able to untangle the Tanner extended family history at all. I did find that creepy "FLDS" documentary where they do the "bonk on the head" birthday tradition though. I saved the link at that clip, but I recommend watching the whole thing. It is horrifyingly fascinating. Luckily the father (Tom Green) was put in prison for impregnating his 13 yr old wife (former step-daughter), before he could take his son's teen girlfriend as a 7th wife. The majority of his wives are related. Not only did he marry his second wife Beth, but Beth's daughter Linda, her sister June, and June's two daughters. He also married another set of teen sisters. One of his wives filed charges against him for child molestation when she was his step-daughter, only to recant and marry him within the year. Tom is not FLDS, just a Mormon fundie, but he has wives that were raised in the FLDS sect at Short Creek.



I tried to look up the origin of the birthday tradition, but there is very little information beyond a post from a Mormon with fuzzy childhood memories seeking the same information, which is what made me suspicious that it may be an FLDS tradition. FLDS are raised to avoid intermingling with people outside their community to prevent revealing their lifestyle, which could explain why we don't see the tradition in the Mormon community at large. It is rumored that the Mormon church pushed for prosecution of the Green family to shut them up after going on Jerry Springer as part of their media tour to spread their message of polygamy. It has been suggested that they made a mockery of the church's history and violated their "don't ask don't tell" policy for local polygamists that still persists today. Polygamy had not been prosecuted in Utah for 50 years prior.

Of course it's just a crazy theory, but an FLDS upbringing would nicely fit the narrative of Sarah eloping with Johnny one day out of the blue to escape her family, refusing to even tell them where she was hiding with Branson for several months. Or why she won't tell that part of the story even now. Mad about a new mother? About to be married off to an old man? Baby Branson assigned to another family by Warren Jeffs? The way she speaks about her family (or doesn't) really makes me curious. The closest city to the FLDS communities at the UT/AZ border (i.e. Short Creek) is St. George, which is where Sarah's family seems to currently be centered. We also know that the FLDS communities started to crumble after Jeffs was jailed and the government claimed FLDS property/funds, pushing members into traditional communities. The Tanner's dual kitchen and dual master bedroom house seems to support that.

April Orgill only came forward about her FLDS upbringing recently, although her family seemed to be the black sheep of FLDS under Warren Jeffs, fleeing the sect when she was in middle school. They were not descendants of the original followers, wore modern clothes outside of church/Alta Academy, did not engage in polygamy, etc. While that might have spared her family from being reassigned to another man after divorce, it unfortunately did not seem to spare April's brothers from Jeff's abuses at Alta Academy. I find it all so fascinating (and terrifying), from the pretentious Brown family on TLC, all the way down to the sheltered compounds where the kids are literally dying from the ravages of inbreeding (in an FLDS community of 10k, 8k are blood relatives of the two male founders). The idea that another YouTube family could be hiding a connection to this cult doesn't seem THAT farfetched....

[cranberryjuice05]

So did anyone notice the strange thing Sarah said in today’s vlog? “It’s so nice seeing the kids all play together, it’s nice seeing them play in pairs and go off and do their own thing but it’s also nice seeing them all together”. Like I’ve said before she is so sadistic like Johnny. How is it nice seeing your kids go off their separate ways in pairs to play? It was just such an odd and random thing to mention. Like who even says that? It shows she takes note on everything these kids do but she takes note on the strangest things. Then in the next scene she talks about how canyon and azbury are stacking red cups to keep them distracted and then she mentions how the cups are different brands and sizes so canyon has to watch out for how he stacks them. Like nobody asked or cares? These people are TOXIC

[cranberryjuice05]

The whole FLDS thing freaks me the F out. Sarah does look like a victim of being in a polygamy family. Even the pics she had as a kid looked like she was a part of a cult. And maybe the “you are worth it” message comes from that bc according to April they make you feel worthless in those FLDS groups. I always thought their saying had to do with mental health but now that I think of it J&S could give two fucks about anyone’s mental health

[ThisIsMeCeej]

I just finished watching Yesterday's vlog.. and Sarah had said about Savannah, "She will make such a good mom, she is just like I was when I was a little girl... always wanted to hold all the babies" or something like that. And I immediately thought... Savannah's kids are gonna be in trouble, once they're able to do for themselves.. poor things. I really hope I am wrong, and the cycle is broken, and the girls don't repeat their parents way of parenting.

[cranberryjuice05]

I just finished watching Yesterday's vlog.. and Sarah had said about Savannah, "She will make such a good mom, she is just like I was when I was a little girl... always wanted to hold all the babies" or something like that. And I immediately thought... Savannah's kids are gonna be in trouble, once they're able to do for themselves.. poor things. I really hope I am wrong, and the cycle is broken, and the girls don't repeat their parents way of parenting.

I got super annoyed when I heard Sarah say that. Is there ever a day or vlog that she doesn’t talk about little kids or babies? Probably not. It’s soooo annoying and creepy how Sarah assumes all her kids want kids of their own. There are human beings on this planet who don’t want to have any. I can already see that if one of her kids were to be not fertile, she will literally treat them like turd in a toilet.

[cranberryjuice05]

I know this isn’t a forum for the leroys but anyone can tell Shanna Leroy is a total helicopter parent. I’ve even mentioned it in the comments before and she responded to me saying “how am I a helicopter parent? Lol”. Hmmm maybe bc YOU NEVER GIVE KESLEY PRIVACY AND YOURE ALWAYS IN HER PERSONAL BUSINESS. But the point is, I’m starting to think Sarah is a helicopter parent too. She seems to always want to know her kid’s business and it feels like she’s married to Branson as well by always being in him and maras business. Like let the couple be, they will have kids when they want. Sick of hearing Sarah’s two cents for everything.

[cranberryjuice05]

Wow for once I agree with Johnny in something. The Christmas snap dance Allie and Daniell did in today’s vlog was super cringe Johnny was probably thinking “is this really what I raised and created” when they did the dance with the music. Sarah’s little cat prank today just adds to my point of her being sadistic. Look at how happy she looked (time stamp 5:11-5:13) after telling them it’s a prank. I have never seen her look that genuinely happy or grin that much.

[ThisIsMeCeej]

Yesterday's vlog, when Daniell showed her second cut from scissors from school, did anyone else find it strange, how Daniell was weird about how she didn't want her Grandpa to look at the cut? I know the cut didn't look REALLY bad, but it could have been... but, the way she acted about having him look at it, was like.. she didn't want him to touch her. It makes me feel like, something went on there. Like how I feel like something weird went on or is going on in that family, the way those kids act.

Also... I wanted to scream at Sarah. OMG We get it! Daniell is her favorite.. she's following in her footsteps with the beauty school, and she doesn't feel pain like Sarah does *gasp* wow!!! But, to say "like some people" and point the camera at Allie... was totally uncalled for. If she's referring to Allie's painful cramps she gets, that could possibly be a sign that she has endometriosis, and if she has that... that is EXTREMELY painful. And maybe Sarah is just a masochist, and that's why she didn't scream during labor.. she liked the pain.

I wonder how many more kids S&J would have had, if Sarah hadn't have gotten stomach cancer? Do you think Canyon would have been their last?

[cranberryjuice05]

Yesterday's vlog, when Daniell showed her second cut from scissors from school, did anyone else find it strange, how Daniell was weird about how she didn't want her Grandpa to look at the cut? I know the cut didn't look REALLY bad, but it could have been... but, the way she acted about having him look at it, was like.. she didn't want him to touch her. It makes me feel like, something went on there. Like how I feel like something weird went on or is going on in that family, the way those kids act.

Also... I wanted to scream at Sarah. OMG We get it! Daniell is her favorite.. she's following in her footsteps with the beauty school, and she doesn't feel pain like Sarah does *gasp* wow!!! But, to say "like some people" and point the camera at Allie... was totally uncalled for. If she's referring to Allie's painful cramps she gets, that could possibly be a sign that she has endometriosis, and if she has that... that is EXTREMELY painful. And maybe Sarah is just a masochist, and that's why she didn't scream during labor.. she liked the pain.

I wonder how many more kids S&J would have had, if Sarah hadn't have gotten stomach cancer? Do you think Canyon would have been their last?

That was for sure very sketchy and weird the way Sarah talked about her and daniell’s high pain tolerance. She was acting like it’s a cool thing meanwhile it’s not a good thing at all. They probably tolerate pain for a lot of unhealthy reasons one of them probably being emotionally unavailable. I can totally see Sarah being a masochist. Did u see the grin on her face when she talked about her and daniell’s high pain tolerance

[cranberryjuice05]

I wonder if Johnny is bipolar bc I just watched their video on the channel “1,000 words” where Johnny and Sarah do a speech and Johnny sounded extremely manic through the whole video. Acting like his life story and how the YouTube channel came about is super impressive. They even explained why they say “you are worth it” at the end of the vids and it’s bc someone in the comments a long time ago said that they really liked it (pretty boring reason). They even mentioned in that video how they want to give their audience a purpose when they watch their videos. Sorry but how tf are people supposed to find a purpose from those sloppy opinionated vlogs. I really doubt Sarah and Johnny genuinely want to help others. It all just sounds like an excuse to put their life out their on YouTube and make a living. They really realized they could make a living off YouTube but they wanted some kind of deep meaning behind it. Let’s be real no youtuber’s story for being on YouTube is really that deep, they are all just money hungry

[cranberryjuice05]

Did anyone see the new video Branson uploaded on his channel of him and Mara trying French and Mexican food? It was interesting finding out Mara is Mexican. Branson on the other hand looked ridiculous with that outfit and his hair and mustache looked gross. Branson comes off as the type of dude to scratch their a**hole then sniff their fingers afterwards.

[HeyKatie]

They got a hairless cat. Those things creep me out lol.


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[ThisIsMeCeej]

They got a hairless cat. Those things creep me out lol.


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I personally find them so "ugly they're cute" lol it's weird.. but, I wonder... how long before Charlie will get ahold of it and shake it and kill it, like it did to the bunny, for being too close to his food? I REALLY hope that doesn't happen... that they feed Charlie and Grizzly while the cat is up in one of the kids rooms, and they never have food around the dogs/cat at the same time. I don't think my heart can take watching or hearing about another poor animal, dying because of them not taking proper care or precautions.

[Kattiness Everdeen]

They got a hairless cat. Those things creep me out lol.


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I personally find them so "ugly they're cute" lol it's weird.. but, I wonder... how long before Charlie will get ahold of it and shake it and kill it, like it did to the bunny, for being too close to his food? I REALLY hope that doesn't happen... that they feed Charlie and Grizzly while the cat is up in one of the kids rooms, and they never have food around the dogs/cat at the same time. I don't think my heart can take watching or hearing about another poor animal, dying because of them not taking proper care or precautions.

When I saw them shoving the hissing cat into all the dogs faces, that is the first thing I thought of. That is a great way to build a lifelong hatred, and as we saw, Charlie is a big dog that can take a life with little effort. Speaking of which, has anyone ever seen Canyon show emotion, and not just Sarah and Johnny constantly assigning him all this imagined emotion that they think he "fights"? I don't remember him being upset at all the pet deaths, the flood, or any of the other events the rest of the kids were devastated over.

Also, on the Mara discussion above, I assumed she was Mexican based on the things she brought up over the vlogs, but I thought it was odd she never outright said it. She mentioned her mom throwing "chanclas" and that she had never had an American Thanksgiving dinner before, listing all the authentic Mexican dishes they would make instead. Branson is literally the only Utah vlogger I have ever seen with non-white friends, much less a spouse. That includes his own family. Someone mentioned that Mara isn't Mormon. Do we know that for sure?

[rulatows000]

They really don't need any more pets. They take horrible care of their animals. Charlie always being stuck outside, running away, and being sick all of the time. Then, Johnny is always teasing and tormenting the poor dogs. Just recently they filled the surface of the pool up with balls and Johnny stood there and filmed Charlie thinking he could walk on it and falling full force into the pool while Johnny laughed and didn't help him out. I'm also more concerned about Canyon getting to the cat then about Charlie getting it. He acts like a two year old around animals, the way he is always so rough grabbing them and jumping on them with neither Johnny or Sarah saying anything to him. He even held Grizzly down not too long ago and smeared lipstick all over the poor dog and stole two puppies from their mom and ran to hide with them. I highly doubt he will understand that he needs to be gentler with a little kitten than he is with the two big dogs. It was also very creepy in their most recent vlog when Johnny was saying that Canyon was a little scared of the fire and Canyon just sits there staring straight ahead and says, "Nope." Johnny tries to push him and is, like, yes you were just a little scared and Canyon is still sitting there completely emotionless. I guess you can't expect a little kid to understand the gravity of the situation, but still, just the way he doesn't seem to care about anything is unsettling. There is something very off about him for sure.

[cranberryjuice05]

Pets/Cat:
God bless that cat. I completely agree that they suck at taking caring of animals. I just couldn’t believe how they found that rabbit dead. Like did you really just leave the rabbit out there with some dogs and just let them be unsupervised? Completely irresponsible and horrible. How could they even think about getting another animal after that (let alone a tiny cat)?

Canyon:
I completely agree something is terribly off with that kid. I’ve mentioned this a long time ago but when he grows up he’s going to be a narcissist (cross our fingers not a psychopathic serial killer). He really has no emotions for anything and he sheds crocodile tears all the time. I can already see him gaslighting and acting like a narcissist to his future girlfriend (if he ever gets one).

[lmmomSD]

Pets/Cat:
God bless that cat. I completely agree that they suck at taking caring of animals. I just couldn’t believe how they found that rabbit dead. Like did you really just leave the rabbit out there with some dogs and just let them be unsupervised? Completely irresponsible and horrible. How could they even think about getting another animal after that (let alone a tiny cat)?

Canyon:
I completely agree something is terribly off with that kid. I’ve mentioned this a long time ago but when he grows up he’s going to be a narcissist (cross our fingers not a psychopathic serial killer). He really has no emotions for anything and he sheds crocodile tears all the time. I can already see him gaslighting and acting like a narcissist to his future girlfriend (if he ever gets one).

WHY are so many vloggers such shitty pet owners? Ellie and Jared had rabbits briefly. They claim that they "gave them to the neighbors". But Ellie filmed their yellow lab chasing one of them around the yard, claiming that they were "friends". I'm sorry, but I just have a really hard time believing that a dog bred for hunting is "friends" with a rabbit, excepting the very rare case you see posted on the Dodo on Facebook. And rabbits can literally die of fright. They also don't tolerate high temperatures well. And the lab in question doesn't get to be with her people. She lives outside or in her crate, or behind a gate.
Daily Bumps have given away 2 of the birthday present pets they gave their son Ollie. They got him a Bengal cat apparently without doing any research on the breed and were shocked that she wanted to climb and be outside hunting things, so they gave her to a family member. Then they got him a bearded dragon and gave that away after a few months. These were birthday presents! Bonnie Hoellein's dog Lady, a little Havachon, spends her life either in her crate, in someone's arms, or being allowed food and water only when she is outside. Cullen and Katie let their dogs run loose and crap on the golf course they live on, and their chihuahua mix got chewed on by a bigger dog last Thanksgiving because they let her outside without supervision and she attacked the bigger dog. She lived, but went through a lot of unnecessary pain because her owners are lazy. And they don't clean their cats' litter box then wonder why the cats piss everywhere but the litter box.
So many of them seem to get these animals for content, and then they get bored, or realize that the cute puppy or kitten is actually work... And then it's either rehomed or just neglected.

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[cranberryjuice05]

Is Allie effing serious? If she thinks she has covid why would she allow that cat to be all up on her chest and body. I would get that cat far away as possible if I was her. Day 2 of having that cat and they’re already so irresponsible and stupid. Allie is literal proof of all the idiots during this pandemic who don’t social distance and act all scared and in denial when they think they have covid. I’ll be honest myself, I go out every here and there during the pandemic and I know that if I catch covid then it is 100% my fault. Allie is acting so in denial like just admit you probably have it... she’s been around extended family for weeks now and she’s going on those dates with complete strangers. If you look up a covid symptom chart vs a cold/allergy symptom chart, Allie literally identifies with all the symptoms of covid. With allergies you have an itchy throat not a sore throat. And you rarely get fevers with colds.

[i_just_cant]

Also, on the Mara discussion above, I assumed she was Mexican based on the things she brought up over the vlogs, but I thought it was odd she never outright said it. She mentioned her mom throwing "chanclas" and that she had never had an American Thanksgiving dinner before, listing all the authentic Mexican dishes they would make instead. Branson is literally the only Utah vlogger I have ever seen with non-white friends, much less a spouse. That includes his own family. Someone mentioned that Mara isn't Mormon. Do we know that for sure?

They said it themselves in one of their Q&As. I do wonder if he'll eventually try and convert her, or if the opposite will happen and he'll slowly break away from the LDS faith.

[rytnor]

I don’t understand these people. First we see a video where Allie may have COVID. The next video shows Allie in Vegas. Then the next video Allie is feeling sick again. If she had any type of symptoms she should just get tested or at least isolate, not travel to a different city and go to stores and restaurants. And then listening to Allie list all the people she has been close to the past few weeks...I mean girl go get tested so if you happen to be positive you can stay the heck home and let all those people know that they’ve been exposed!! This is why Covid will never go away in the US