Cam&Fam | Part Three

[blissablake]

Also I’m sorry I know you aren’t supposed to double post but I forgot to add this to my last one,

The people in this thread should look up what an echo chamber is.


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[p0pcorn]

Some people are just out for her and if you call them out on it they will use the "tHiS iS a sNaRk WeBsItE" response

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See, as much as you're correct about this being a gossip/snark site, I genuinely don't give two shits about Cam. She's average, boring, and quite honestly doesn't appeal to me. If she goes on to live a happy life, good for her. If she drops dead tomorrow, I feel bad for those kids. But I'm certainly not "out to get her" like you seem to think.

Putting the camera down for a few months isn't nearly the same as leaving the lifestyle. So she took a break for a few months, whoopdee doo. She came back to it in the end, because that's where she gets all the attention she craved. Landon knew that, and so the main source of his discomfort wasn't gone, but merely delayed.

As for seeing the signs... Trust me, I know what that's like. I wish I had been old enough to see the signs when my father killed himself when I was 7. For years I blamed my mother, telling myself she didn't do enough, she wasn't there enough, and that's strained our relationship. The thing with Landon is that it wasn't just his depression that was causing him discomfort, it was their entire lifestyle. Sure, she couldn't be asked to look after him AND two kids, but convincing him to go stay with his parents was arguably the wrong idea.

He needed his wife, not his mother and father. He needed the comfort of the one he loved, not the ones who loved him. I can almost guarantee you that by convincing him to stay with his parents, she (unintentionally) pushed him away and worsened his depression.

You guys keep asking "What more do you want from her", as if I'm 'out to get her'. I don't want anything from her. I'm giving my observations on a situation that I think could have been avoided. Would it be nice if these types of situations didn't exist? Sure, it would. But we don't live in a perfect world. We live in a world where a preteen/teenage girl can spread her legs, pop out a baby, then make dozens of thousands of dollars by putting her entire life online. Meanwhile, individuals with college degrees struggle to find even a minimum wage job in their field due to being "over-qualified."

It is no ones job to save people. You placing that blame on your mother, is misogynistic and gross. It’s no ones job to fix their partner, ever. Especially not when you are mentally unwell yourself. Much like cam was, you talk about what she should and shouldn’t have done as if she was mentally well herself. She was not at all. How is she expected to have known any of this?

The only responsibility is on the person who did it. And I say this as someone who has had a few people in my life take their own life. One was last year. It was NO ones fault. NO ones responsibility. If someone wants to, they will.

If someone was depressed because they had to work a 9-5 job, would you demand they drop out of working to make an income because they are “still living the lifestyle that makes them unhappy” or would you accept people have to make a living?

Seriously


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Filming your everyday life and posting it on the internet for thousands of people to watch is not a normal way to live though. Privacy is something most people cherish and need. Why do you think so many people in Hollywood are depressed and have addiction issues? It's the same thing, but youtube is almost worse because you are "closer" to your fans.

I agree that it was not Cam's responsibility to "save him". It's just an unfortunate situation. Cam could have done more. But I can't expect someone as young and immature as her to know the right things to do in that situation.

[Anti_Stan]

Some people are just out for her and if you call them out on it they will use the "tHiS iS a sNaRk WeBsItE" response

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See, as much as you're correct about this being a gossip/snark site, I genuinely don't give two shits about Cam. She's average, boring, and quite honestly doesn't appeal to me. If she goes on to live a happy life, good for her. If she drops dead tomorrow, I feel bad for those kids. But I'm certainly not "out to get her" like you seem to think.

Putting the camera down for a few months isn't nearly the same as leaving the lifestyle. So she took a break for a few months, whoopdee doo. She came back to it in the end, because that's where she gets all the attention she craved. Landon knew that, and so the main source of his discomfort wasn't gone, but merely delayed.

As for seeing the signs... Trust me, I know what that's like. I wish I had been old enough to see the signs when my father killed himself when I was 7. For years I blamed my mother, telling myself she didn't do enough, she wasn't there enough, and that's strained our relationship. The thing with Landon is that it wasn't just his depression that was causing him discomfort, it was their entire lifestyle. Sure, she couldn't be asked to look after him AND two kids, but convincing him to go stay with his parents was arguably the wrong idea.

He needed his wife, not his mother and father. He needed the comfort of the one he loved, not the ones who loved him. I can almost guarantee you that by convincing him to stay with his parents, she (unintentionally) pushed him away and worsened his depression.

You guys keep asking "What more do you want from her", as if I'm 'out to get her'. I don't want anything from her. I'm giving my observations on a situation that I think could have been avoided. Would it be nice if these types of situations didn't exist? Sure, it would. But we don't live in a perfect world. We live in a world where a preteen/teenage girl can spread her legs, pop out a baby, then make dozens of thousands of dollars by putting her entire life online. Meanwhile, individuals with college degrees struggle to find even a minimum wage job in their field due to being "over-qualified."

It is no ones job to save people. You placing that blame on your mother, is misogynistic and gross. It’s no ones job to fix their partner, ever. Especially not when you are mentally unwell yourself. Much like cam was, you talk about what she should and shouldn’t have done as if she was mentally well herself. She was not at all. How is she expected to have known any of this?

The only responsibility is on the person who did it. And I say this as someone who has had a few people in my life take their own life. One was last year. It was NO ones fault. NO ones responsibility. If someone wants to, they will.

If someone was depressed because they had to work a 9-5 job, would you demand they drop out of working to make an income because they are “still living the lifestyle that makes them unhappy” or would you accept people have to make a living?

Seriously


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[blissablake]

See, as much as you're correct about this being a gossip/snark site, I genuinely don't give two shits about Cam. She's average, boring, and quite honestly doesn't appeal to me. If she goes on to live a happy life, good for her. If she drops dead tomorrow, I feel bad for those kids. But I'm certainly not "out to get her" like you seem to think.

Putting the camera down for a few months isn't nearly the same as leaving the lifestyle. So she took a break for a few months, whoopdee doo. She came back to it in the end, because that's where she gets all the attention she craved. Landon knew that, and so the main source of his discomfort wasn't gone, but merely delayed.

As for seeing the signs... Trust me, I know what that's like. I wish I had been old enough to see the signs when my father killed himself when I was 7. For years I blamed my mother, telling myself she didn't do enough, she wasn't there enough, and that's strained our relationship. The thing with Landon is that it wasn't just his depression that was causing him discomfort, it was their entire lifestyle. Sure, she couldn't be asked to look after him AND two kids, but convincing him to go stay with his parents was arguably the wrong idea.

He needed his wife, not his mother and father. He needed the comfort of the one he loved, not the ones who loved him. I can almost guarantee you that by convincing him to stay with his parents, she (unintentionally) pushed him away and worsened his depression.

You guys keep asking "What more do you want from her", as if I'm 'out to get her'. I don't want anything from her. I'm giving my observations on a situation that I think could have been avoided. Would it be nice if these types of situations didn't exist? Sure, it would. But we don't live in a perfect world. We live in a world where a preteen/teenage girl can spread her legs, pop out a baby, then make dozens of thousands of dollars by putting her entire life online. Meanwhile, individuals with college degrees struggle to find even a minimum wage job in their field due to being "over-qualified."

It is no ones job to save people. You placing that blame on your mother, is misogynistic and gross. It’s no ones job to fix their partner, ever. Especially not when you are mentally unwell yourself. Much like cam was, you talk about what she should and shouldn’t have done as if she was mentally well herself. She was not at all. How is she expected to have known any of this?

The only responsibility is on the person who did it. And I say this as someone who has had a few people in my life take their own life. One was last year. It was NO ones fault. NO ones responsibility. If someone wants to, they will.

If someone was depressed because they had to work a 9-5 job, would you demand they drop out of working to make an income because they are “still living the lifestyle that makes them unhappy” or would you accept people have to make a living?

Seriously


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Filming your everyday life and posting it on the internet for thousands of people to watch is not a normal way to live though. Privacy is something most people cherish and need. Why do you think so many people in Hollywood are depressed and have addiction issues? It's the same thing, but youtube is almost worse because you are "closer" to your fans.

I agree that it was not Cam's responsibility to "save him". It's just an unfortunate situation. Cam could have done more. But I can't expect someone as young and immature as her to know the right things to do in that situation.

Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say and not feeling personally attacked. What a lot of people on here don’t seem to understand is yeah, maybe the wrong decisions were made, yeah maybe cam could have done things different but she was not mentally well! She already had her own issues with depression and anxiety and then she had post partum depression which is no joke at all. Women have killed their new borns because of it, but they didn’t mean to. They weren’t horrible people. People in this thread seem to be trying to insinuate she has said and done things with malice because she is a bad person and she’s selfish and horrible and all these other things, when all she is is unwell. She can’t be expected to have been the perfect support system for Landon because she needed one herself. Yes, Landon is the one who died and cam is the one left so it’s easy to forget she was struggling too and to direct the anger to her but it could have just as easily been her that died. She thought he was doing better, she thought he was going to be fine. With everything she has said it really felt like he was getting better and then he did it. Which is actually a lot more common than people realise. I’m not here to fight people or be nasty for no reason, but to see people attacking a young girl who was mentally unwell herself doesn’t sit well with me.


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[Seller-Of-Souls]

It is no ones job to save people. You placing that blame on your mother, is misogynistic and gross. It’s no ones job to fix their partner, ever. Especially not when you are mentally unwell yourself. Much like cam was, you talk about what she should and shouldn’t have done as if she was mentally well herself. She was not at all. How is she expected to have known any of this?

The only responsibility is on the person who did it. And I say this as someone who has had a few people in my life take their own life. One was last year. It was NO ones fault. NO ones responsibility. If someone wants to, they will.

If someone was depressed because they had to work a 9-5 job, would you demand they drop out of working to make an income because they are “still living the lifestyle that makes them unhappy” or would you accept people have to make a living?

Seriously


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Filming your everyday life and posting it on the internet for thousands of people to watch is not a normal way to live though. Privacy is something most people cherish and need. Why do you think so many people in Hollywood are depressed and have addiction issues? It's the same thing, but youtube is almost worse because you are "closer" to your fans.

I agree that it was not Cam's responsibility to "save him". It's just an unfortunate situation. Cam could have done more. But I can't expect someone as young and immature as her to know the right things to do in that situation.

Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say and not feeling personally attacked. What a lot of people on here don’t seem to understand is yeah, maybe the wrong decisions were made, yeah maybe cam could have done things different but she was not mentally well! She already had her own issues with depression and anxiety and then she had post partum depression which is no joke at all. Women have killed their new borns because of it, but they didn’t mean to. They weren’t horrible people. People in this thread seem to be trying to insinuate she has said and done things with malice because she is a bad person and she’s selfish and horrible and all these other things, when all she is is unwell. She can’t be expected to have been the perfect support system for Landon because she needed one herself. Yes, Landon is the one who died and cam is the one left so it’s easy to forget she was struggling too and to direct the anger to her but it could have just as easily been her that died. She thought he was doing better, she thought he was going to be fine. With everything she has said it really felt like he was getting better and then he did it. Which is actually a lot more common than people realise. I’m not here to fight people or be nasty for no reason, but to see people attacking a young girl who was mentally unwell herself doesn’t sit well with me.


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I wouldn't call it attacking. Just because we're criticizing the actions taken before her husband died doesn't mean we don't feel sympathy, but it also doesn't mean she's free from judgement. Yes, we mourned with her, we had sympathy for her, but just because she's a widow now doesn't mean she gets a free pass. (Especially not here.) It's unfortunate, but it's life. I can understand being angry at someone attacking an individual who is physically disabled and has no say in their disability, because that's not something they can control. Hell, I'd get angry too. However, in this case, there are things that could have been done to prevent or delay the final outcome, and that's what we're "attacking".

If she's as mentally unwell as you claim she is, then perhaps she should quit Youtube. After all, it killed her husband, and that's no laughing matter. If she truly is as mentally unwell as you believe, then I think the best course of action is to get away from all of the drama and put the camera down for good.

Yes, people can be upset with a 9-5, but at the end of the day, they have their privacy. And Popcorn has a point; her lifestyle, the lifestyle she forced/dragged her husband into is unnatural. Human beings are not meant to have their lives on full blast for everyone to see 24/7, and the longer it goes on, the more unwell she's going to be and the harder it will be to pull herself out of the pit that she's in.

One thing about depression: it always seems that they get better right before they die. That's not progress; that's acceptance. They've given up 100%, and they've come to terms with it. If she had done even the slightest bit of research about her husband's mental state, she'd have known that.

Finally, I have nothing against you yourself, but the amount of Camryn Stans here is downright sickening. When you (general you, not you) sit here and defend a girl who couldn't see what everyone else looking in could, couldn't see that her dream of living her idealized fantasy life was literally killing her husband, then I dare say she's not the only one mentally unwell....

[here4thedrama]

Filming your everyday life and posting it on the internet for thousands of people to watch is not a normal way to live though. Privacy is something most people cherish and need. Why do you think so many people in Hollywood are depressed and have addiction issues? It's the same thing, but youtube is almost worse because you are "closer" to your fans.

I agree that it was not Cam's responsibility to "save him". It's just an unfortunate situation. Cam could have done more. But I can't expect someone as young and immature as her to know the right things to do in that situation.

Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say and not feeling personally attacked. What a lot of people on here don’t seem to understand is yeah, maybe the wrong decisions were made, yeah maybe cam could have done things different but she was not mentally well! She already had her own issues with depression and anxiety and then she had post partum depression which is no joke at all. Women have killed their new borns because of it, but they didn’t mean to. They weren’t horrible people. People in this thread seem to be trying to insinuate she has said and done things with malice because she is a bad person and she’s selfish and horrible and all these other things, when all she is is unwell. She can’t be expected to have been the perfect support system for Landon because she needed one herself. Yes, Landon is the one who died and cam is the one left so it’s easy to forget she was struggling too and to direct the anger to her but it could have just as easily been her that died. She thought he was doing better, she thought he was going to be fine. With everything she has said it really felt like he was getting better and then he did it. Which is actually a lot more common than people realise. I’m not here to fight people or be nasty for no reason, but to see people attacking a young girl who was mentally unwell herself doesn’t sit well with me.


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I wouldn't call it attacking. Just because we're criticizing the actions taken before her husband died doesn't mean we don't feel sympathy, but it also doesn't mean she's free from judgement. Yes, we mourned with her, we had sympathy for her, but just because she's a widow now doesn't mean she gets a free pass. (Especially not here.) It's unfortunate, but it's life. I can understand being angry at someone attacking an individual who is physically disabled and has no say in their disability, because that's not something they can control. Hell, I'd get angry too. However, in this case, there are things that could have been done to prevent or delay the final outcome, and that's what we're "attacking".

If she's as mentally unwell as you claim she is, then perhaps she should quit Youtube. After all, it killed her husband, and that's no laughing matter. If she truly is as mentally unwell as you believe, then I think the best course of action is to get away from all of the drama and put the camera down for good.

Yes, people can be upset with a 9-5, but at the end of the day, they have their privacy. And Popcorn has a point; her lifestyle, the lifestyle she forced/dragged her husband into is unnatural. Human beings are not meant to have their lives on full blast for everyone to see 24/7, and the longer it goes on, the more unwell she's going to be and the harder it will be to pull herself out of the pit that she's in.

One thing about depression: it always seems that they get better right before they die. That's not progress; that's acceptance. They've given up 100%, and they've come to terms with it. If she had done even the slightest bit of research about her husband's mental state, she'd have known that.

Finally, I have nothing against you yourself, but the amount of Camryn Stans here is downright sickening. When you (general you, not you) sit here and defend a girl who couldn't see what everyone else looking in could, couldn't see that her dream of living her idealized fantasy life was literally killing her husband, then I dare say she's not the only one mentally unwell....

I agree. And I think an important point people are leaving out when talking about Camryn being mentally unwell herself is that she was really rude to Landon. Yes we know that Camryn had a history of poor mental health so it's clear that both Camryn and Landon were struggling. But Camryn repeatedly filmed herself treating Landon like garbage. She just wasn't very nice to him on camera and I can't imagine what kind of attitude she had when the camera wasn't rolling. I'm not saying he was perfect because none of us know how they were in real life but she would always shut down him down, not let him get his way, make fun of him and just wasn't very warm or kind. Remember when she pretended she was going into labor? And all the times she was just straight up mean to him, like in their sit down videos? She used to talk freely about how badly she treated him and how his friends said he was whipped and they all wanted him to break up with her. That's the stuff is most difficult to watch now that he's gone. Being mentally unwell didn't give Camryn an excuse to treat Landon like that.

With that said, she seems to be acting like a decent human being these days and I'm glad she is making positive changes.

[Dandelion11]

Filming your everyday life and posting it on the internet for thousands of people to watch is not a normal way to live though. Privacy is something most people cherish and need. Why do you think so many people in Hollywood are depressed and have addiction issues? It's the same thing, but youtube is almost worse because you are "closer" to your fans.

I agree that it was not Cam's responsibility to "save him". It's just an unfortunate situation. Cam could have done more. But I can't expect someone as young and immature as her to know the right things to do in that situation.

Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say and not feeling personally attacked. What a lot of people on here don’t seem to understand is yeah, maybe the wrong decisions were made, yeah maybe cam could have done things different but she was not mentally well! She already had her own issues with depression and anxiety and then she had post partum depression which is no joke at all. Women have killed their new borns because of it, but they didn’t mean to. They weren’t horrible people. People in this thread seem to be trying to insinuate she has said and done things with malice because she is a bad person and she’s selfish and horrible and all these other things, when all she is is unwell. She can’t be expected to have been the perfect support system for Landon because she needed one herself. Yes, Landon is the one who died and cam is the one left so it’s easy to forget she was struggling too and to direct the anger to her but it could have just as easily been her that died. She thought he was doing better, she thought he was going to be fine. With everything she has said it really felt like he was getting better and then he did it. Which is actually a lot more common than people realise. I’m not here to fight people or be nasty for no reason, but to see people attacking a young girl who was mentally unwell herself doesn’t sit well with me.


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I wouldn't call it attacking. Just because we're criticizing the actions taken before her husband died doesn't mean we don't feel sympathy, but it also doesn't mean she's free from judgement. Yes, we mourned with her, we had sympathy for her, but just because she's a widow now doesn't mean she gets a free pass. (Especially not here.) It's unfortunate, but it's life. I can understand being angry at someone attacking an individual who is physically disabled and has no say in their disability, because that's not something they can control. Hell, I'd get angry too. However, in this case, there are things that could have been done to prevent or delay the final outcome, and that's what we're "attacking".

If she's as mentally unwell as you claim she is, then perhaps she should quit Youtube. After all, it killed her husband, and that's no laughing matter. If she truly is as mentally unwell as you believe, then I think the best course of action is to get away from all of the drama and put the camera down for good.

Yes, people can be upset with a 9-5, but at the end of the day, they have their privacy. And Popcorn has a point; her lifestyle, the lifestyle she forced/dragged her husband into is unnatural. Human beings are not meant to have their lives on full blast for everyone to see 24/7, and the longer it goes on, the more unwell she's going to be and the harder it will be to pull herself out of the pit that she's in.

One thing about depression: it always seems that they get better right before they die. That's not progress; that's acceptance. They've given up 100%, and they've come to terms with it. If she had done even the slightest bit of research about her husband's mental state, she'd have known that.

Finally, I have nothing against you yourself, but the amount of Camryn Stans here is downright sickening. When you (general you, not you) sit here and defend a girl who couldn't see what everyone else looking in could, couldn't see that her dream of living her idealized fantasy life was literally killing her husband, then I dare say she's not the only one mentally unwell....

Now you're attacking anyone defending Cam by saying we're mentally unwell? You say you couldn't "give two shits" about Cam yet here you are typing paragraph after paragraph about her. This isn't the only thread I've seen you be downright vile in. You seem like a very miserable person. I hope your life gets better so you can maybe see situations with a little more empathy.

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[futureccl]

I understand this thread brings up really personal and deep seated emotions and opinions for people. I am sorry for everyone who lost someone to suicide and addiction, I also know what that feels like and it's shitty and complicated. Just a reminder that every situation is different, and probably people from the outside have strong opinions about the suicide in your life which you will never know about (and that's a good thing!).

I have said before that having teen agers making a living out of youtube is probably not a good idea. It seems to me that many single youtube teen moms came to this career with a huge baggage of mental health issues that have been exacerbated by fame and money and the demand to have an interesting life that just keeps on being interesting. I don't know what the solution to this is, especially for this first generation of youtube celebrities who are ageing out of being relevant.

I would be really nice if someone could fix someone else's mental health struggles and addictions, but unfortunately that's just not how it works. I'm sure cam and landon's relationship wasn't perfect because no relationship is, and sure their dynamic was probably less than ideal. I still wouldn't go as far as saying cam was abusive and is to blame for what happened. Let's say they never met, never had two babies, never did youtube: 19 year old boys still struggle with their mental health, addiction, and take their own lives. It's sadly not an uncommon event. Should we blame their girlfriends? their parents? their schools? I'm sure everyone shares a bit of blame, but at the end of the day it is a systemic issue, so I would try to change the system instead.

[polar_bear]

People here attack other people because they shared their opinion on a DRAMA website. It's not cool to call anyone a miserable person based on something they believe in and at the same time say that it is wrong to comment about Cam, when you literally did just that to someone else.
She matured a lot and you can clearly see that. The old Cam was very rude and made tasteless jokes about him. They both had depression, yet Landon was doing everything around the house even tho he was exhausted. We criticise her past more than her present, so it's fine, she learned her lesson in a way

[blissablake]

People here attack other people because they shared their opinion on a DRAMA website. It's not cool to call anyone a miserable person based on something they believe in and at the same time say that it is wrong to comment about Cam, when you literally did just that to someone else.
She matured a lot and you can clearly see that. The old Cam was very rude and made tasteless jokes about him. They both had depression, yet Landon was doing everything around the house even tho he was exhausted. We criticise her past more than her present, so it's fine, she learned her lesson in a way

Well technically, according to this thread, if you put your personal life/information on the internet for strangers to see then you are inviting comments/criticisms. So if the people in here don’t want to be criticised then they shouldn’t be posting their personal info or anything they don’t want to be criticised here. And people aren’t just criticising her past, people are still hating her every day moves (even though she’s literally admitting to shit said in here, but it’s not enough. She’s not moving on a timeline quick enough. Eg: she’s admitted certain mistakes were made but people here are like “she’s so fake when is she going to admit everything was fake” bro, she’s grieving and healing on her own time. He died what, less than 6 months ago? She’s making pretty good progress IMO, some people it takes years to become self aware


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[Seller-Of-Souls]

Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say and not feeling personally attacked. What a lot of people on here don’t seem to understand is yeah, maybe the wrong decisions were made, yeah maybe cam could have done things different but she was not mentally well! She already had her own issues with depression and anxiety and then she had post partum depression which is no joke at all. Women have killed their new borns because of it, but they didn’t mean to. They weren’t horrible people. People in this thread seem to be trying to insinuate she has said and done things with malice because she is a bad person and she’s selfish and horrible and all these other things, when all she is is unwell. She can’t be expected to have been the perfect support system for Landon because she needed one herself. Yes, Landon is the one who died and cam is the one left so it’s easy to forget she was struggling too and to direct the anger to her but it could have just as easily been her that died. She thought he was doing better, she thought he was going to be fine. With everything she has said it really felt like he was getting better and then he did it. Which is actually a lot more common than people realise. I’m not here to fight people or be nasty for no reason, but to see people attacking a young girl who was mentally unwell herself doesn’t sit well with me.


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I wouldn't call it attacking. Just because we're criticizing the actions taken before her husband died doesn't mean we don't feel sympathy, but it also doesn't mean she's free from judgement. Yes, we mourned with her, we had sympathy for her, but just because she's a widow now doesn't mean she gets a free pass. (Especially not here.) It's unfortunate, but it's life. I can understand being angry at someone attacking an individual who is physically disabled and has no say in their disability, because that's not something they can control. Hell, I'd get angry too. However, in this case, there are things that could have been done to prevent or delay the final outcome, and that's what we're "attacking".

If she's as mentally unwell as you claim she is, then perhaps she should quit Youtube. After all, it killed her husband, and that's no laughing matter. If she truly is as mentally unwell as you believe, then I think the best course of action is to get away from all of the drama and put the camera down for good.

Yes, people can be upset with a 9-5, but at the end of the day, they have their privacy. And Popcorn has a point; her lifestyle, the lifestyle she forced/dragged her husband into is unnatural. Human beings are not meant to have their lives on full blast for everyone to see 24/7, and the longer it goes on, the more unwell she's going to be and the harder it will be to pull herself out of the pit that she's in.

One thing about depression: it always seems that they get better right before they die. That's not progress; that's acceptance. They've given up 100%, and they've come to terms with it. If she had done even the slightest bit of research about her husband's mental state, she'd have known that.

Finally, I have nothing against you yourself, but the amount of Camryn Stans here is downright sickening. When you (general you, not you) sit here and defend a girl who couldn't see what everyone else looking in could, couldn't see that her dream of living her idealized fantasy life was literally killing her husband, then I dare say she's not the only one mentally unwell....

Now you're attacking anyone defending Cam by saying we're mentally unwell? You say you couldn't "give two shits" about Cam yet here you are typing paragraph after paragraph about her. This isn't the only thread I've seen you be downright vile in. You seem like a very miserable person. I hope your life gets better so you can maybe see situations with a little more empathy.

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Ah yes, the Ad Hominem attack, the last defense of someone with no valid arguments left. Attacking my character because you can't attack my arguments? Don't you have anything better to do? Maybe some small children to abuse, a puppy to kick?

[puzzledbyit28]

I have said before that having teen agers making a living out of youtube is probably not a good idea. It seems to me that many single youtube teen moms came to this career with a huge baggage of mental health issues that have been exacerbated by fame and money and the demand to have an interesting life that just keeps on being interesting. I don't know what the solution to this is, especially for this first generation of youtube celebrities who are ageing out of being relevant.

This 10000% YouTube made a huge mistake by allowing teen mom channels to be monetized, and I don't think this era of technology where there is very little regulation will be remembered well in history. How many of these teen moms would have gone on to have a second child without the YouTube money? How many of these kids are prepared to handle life and finances after their YouTube relevance dies? How many teenagers across the world today are ok with potentially getting pregnant because they think they can be the next YouTube star? What effect will this have on the kids, whose entire life is recorded on line and whose entire being revolves around creating a thumbnail or viral content?

Influencer culture as a whole is toxic and problematic, both for the influencers themselves and for their audiences. People are portraying a perfect life which doesn't exist behind the scenes and isn't attainable for any viewers. So then you have influencers who are living a lie and their audience, who is left constantly feeling like they aren't good enough. Yet YouTube, Instagram, and advertisers are never going to do anything about it because they are making huge money off this.

Landon and Cam both are victims of influencer culture. They took on far more than they could handle not only when they got pregnant the first time, but then when they started filming their lives. They had no purpose in life other than their online presence, and you can't live your whole life online. Now Landon is gone and Cam is left at 19 years old with two kids having to figure out how to pick up the pieces and carry on. She's used to big paychecks from YouTube and wholly unable and unqualified to find any other job that will provide the way YouTube has for her family.

[Seller-Of-Souls]

Now you're attacking anyone defending Cam by saying we're mentally unwell? You say you couldn't "give two shits" about Cam yet here you are typing paragraph after paragraph about her. This isn't the only thread I've seen you be downright vile in. You seem like a very miserable person. I hope your life gets better so you can maybe see situations with a little more empathy.

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Your strawman argument is pretty flimsy too. If you'd actually read my post, you'd know that I was referring to defending her actions, especially the mental and verbal abuse that she put her husband through both on and off camera. Thanks for admitting that you're a Cam Stan though, even though I could already tell that based on how much you were circlejerking some of the other users on here. Makes it easier to know who's not worth my time responding to, since you're so dead set on defending her no matter what that you'll never admit there's anything wrong in the first place.

[futureccl]

I have said before that having teen agers making a living out of youtube is probably not a good idea. It seems to me that many single youtube teen moms came to this career with a huge baggage of mental health issues that have been exacerbated by fame and money and the demand to have an interesting life that just keeps on being interesting. I don't know what the solution to this is, especially for this first generation of youtube celebrities who are ageing out of being relevant.

This 10000% YouTube made a huge mistake by allowing teen mom channels to be monetized, and I don't think this era of technology where there is very little regulation will be remembered well in history. How many of these teen moms would have gone on to have a second child without the YouTube money? How many of these kids are prepared to handle life and finances after their YouTube relevance dies? How many teenagers across the world today are ok with potentially getting pregnant because they think they can be the next YouTube star? What effect will this have on the kids, whose entire life is recorded on line and whose entire being revolves around creating a thumbnail or viral content?

Someone will say we're circlejerking but yes, I'm seeing that In italy where i'm from, where teen pregnancy is historically not that common (we used to be the oldest in europe to start having sex) but because of youtube and mtv before that I'm literally seeing sixteen year olds THRILLED to find out they're pregnant. It's like a trend on tiktok!

[polar_bear]

She went live on IG yesterday. She said that she has a big thing going on which takes at least one year and that it's something she really wanted to do since she was little. (If anyone knows what it might be, please leave a reply). It also brings in income. She already has the banner for her Podcast which she accidently showed (there are like 3 words painted black). I think it is Camryn and something else, maybe related to her sister since she is doing the Podcasts with her. So her podcasts and that "thing" will bring in money since she knows that YT is not a reliable source. She doesn't have the job as a waitress anymore which she had because she wanted to meet people and make friends. Landon's "secret job" was real estate agent btw if anyone was wondering.
She considers to hire an editor for her podcasts.
She kept Landon's clothes and some of them she gave to his brother and family.
Hm, what else? Oh, yeah, Landon's family will come in Florida to visit next month.
I think that's all the "important" stuff.

[Brambleramble]

She went live on IG yesterday. She said that she has a big thing going on which takes at least one year and that it's something she really wanted to do since she was little. (If anyone knows what it might be, please leave a reply). It also brings in income. She already has the banner for her Podcast which she accidently showed (there are like 3 words painted black). I think it is Camryn and something else, maybe related to her sister since she is doing the Podcasts with her. So her podcasts and that "thing" will bring in money since she knows that YT is not a reliable source. She doesn't have the job as a waitress anymore which she had because she wanted to meet people and make friends. Landon's "secret job" was real estate agent btw if anyone was wondering.
She considers to hire an editor for her podcasts.
She kept Landon's clothes and some of them she gave to his brother and family.
Hm, what else? Oh, yeah, Landon's family will come in Florida to visit next month.
I think that's all the "important" stuff.

I saw a lot of that live, in the past I’m sure she’s said she wants to do photography/videography/video editing so it could be something to do with that? More filming weddings and stuff rather than yt videos
I saw the sign for the podcast but couldn’t read it but a while ago addi and cam went live asking for name suggestions that have the word sister in the title and addi is following a podcast page called sisters by chance on insta, and they did say they really liked that name suggestion so I think that’s the name for the podcast
She also shaded her mom quite a bit which I found funny, someone asked why her mom was so critical and cam was like she’s a perfectionist, I’ve learned to ignore it we just have different styles, if her mom doesn’t like something of hers she outright tells her and be a bit rude but if cam doesn’t like something of hers she doesn’t feel the need to say anything, also said her mom wouldn’t let her wear ‘grandad sweaters’ out when she was younger cus she hated them and her mum was overpowering and dominating over her dad so he didn’t really have a say but she’s happy he’s now with someone he actually vibes with and he has his own opinions

[polar_bear]

She went live on IG yesterday. She said that she has a big thing going on which takes at least one year and that it's something she really wanted to do since she was little. (If anyone knows what it might be, please leave a reply). It also brings in income. She already has the banner for her Podcast which she accidently showed (there are like 3 words painted black). I think it is Camryn and something else, maybe related to her sister since she is doing the Podcasts with her. So her podcasts and that "thing" will bring in money since she knows that YT is not a reliable source. She doesn't have the job as a waitress anymore which she had because she wanted to meet people and make friends. Landon's "secret job" was real estate agent btw if anyone was wondering.
She considers to hire an editor for her podcasts.
She kept Landon's clothes and some of them she gave to his brother and family.
Hm, what else? Oh, yeah, Landon's family will come in Florida to visit next month.
I think that's all the "important" stuff.

I saw a lot of that live, in the past I’m sure she’s said she wants to do photography/videography/video editing so it could be something to do with that? More filming weddings and stuff rather than yt videos
I saw the sign for the podcast but couldn’t read it but a while ago addi and cam went live asking for name suggestions that have the word sister in the title and addi is following a podcast page called sisters by chance on insta, and they did say they really liked that name suggestion so I think that’s the name for the podcast
She also shaded her mom quite a bit which I found funny, someone asked why her mom was so critical and cam was like she’s a perfectionist, I’ve learned to ignore it we just have different styles, if her mom doesn’t like something of hers she outright tells her and be a bit rude but if cam doesn’t like something of hers she doesn’t feel the need to say anything, also said her mom wouldn’t let her wear ‘grandad sweaters’ out when she was younger cus she hated them and her mum was overpowering and dominating over her dad so he didn’t really have a say but she’s happy he’s now with someone he actually vibes with and he has his own opinions

I checked out that sisters by chance account and yup, it is 100% theirs. Good job, detective! Also, I think you are right about Cam's plan as well, since she doesn't know anything outside of this area

[here4thedrama]

People here attack other people because they shared their opinion on a DRAMA website. It's not cool to call anyone a miserable person based on something they believe in and at the same time say that it is wrong to comment about Cam, when you literally did just that to someone else.
She matured a lot and you can clearly see that. The old Cam was very rude and made tasteless jokes about him. They both had depression, yet Landon was doing everything around the house even tho he was exhausted. We criticise her past more than her present, so it's fine, she learned her lesson in a way

Well technically, according to this thread, if you put your personal life/information on the internet for strangers to see then you are inviting comments/criticisms. So if the people in here don’t want to be criticised then they shouldn’t be posting their personal info or anything they don’t want to be criticised here. And people aren’t just criticising her past, people are still hating her every day moves (even though she’s literally admitting to shit said in here, but it’s not enough. She’s not moving on a timeline quick enough. Eg: she’s admitted certain mistakes were made but people here are like “she’s so fake when is she going to admit everything was fake” bro, she’s grieving and healing on her own time. He died what, less than 6 months ago? She’s making pretty good progress IMO, some people it takes years to become self aware


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I'm a few days late here but I think that someone living their life publicly and being a "public figure/influencer" is different from someone who is on a gossip website due to coronavirus boredom or whatever. Public figures expect to be criticized. Some even enjoy it because it means they're staying relevant. But no one here should be criticized when they post something really sensitive and vulnerable. Camryn is literally getting paid when she posts vulnerable stuff, and we are watching it as entertainment and then we come here for more entertainment because we are bored af. Obviously we are all fans or we would find something better to do. I don't think it's okay to attack people's character on this site just because their opinion differs from ours. I see where you're coming from and that you want to defend Camryn but telling a stranger on the internet that they were 'misogynistic and gross' by having feelings of blame towards their mom after their dad died is really harsh and messed up. None of us are saying harsh things to Camryn's face, or on her IG or DM's, so there's no need to tear people down over a difference of opinion.

[littlerocketman]

The amount of cognitive dissonance and sheer disgust in this feed is astounding.
You guys are tearing a nineteen year old girl to bits and hiding behind the excuse that this is a "gossip site" and that "she's famous so she signed up for criticism" to justify some of the beyond appalling things that have been said in this feed. I do not care what your opinion on Camryn is. I do not care if you have been a "stan" since day one, or if you hate her guts. I do not care if you find her "cringey" or "annoying" or if she downright pisses you off. I want all of you guys to just close your eyes for one moment and put yourself into her shoes. Imagine that you are a nineteen year old who just gave birth. You are still recovering from what you had gone through. Your hormones are still falling back into place. You are adjusting to a life with a toddler and an infant while you are also dealing with severe depression and literally no help from anyone but your partner. You have no friends and no family nearby. You think to yourself how lucky you are that you have support, only to go into the garage, and find the love of your life DEAD. Your best friend from the time you were fourteen. The man you thought would be by your side forever. The father of your babies. Dead. By suicide. You spend a week begging for them to come back, only for professionals to tell you that it is too late. You are told that they are gone forever. You are left behind with two children. You are a widow. All at the age of nineteen. You know you will spend the rest of your life blaming yourself for what happened. You constantly will think about how you could've stopped them if you had just done something sooner.

You guys will never understand what it's like to be in this girl's shoes. Has Camryn made some questionable decisions that were not in her best interest? Absolutely. But that gives NONE of you guys the authority to post some of these nasty comments that I've been seeing. I'm gonna give you guys a sweet reality check. Every single person will make stupid choices that they will someday regret when they are at that age. But imagine that you had a forum made in your name, that nit-picked every goddamn thing you did. Constructive criticism is only okay if you actually have the balls to say that to a person's face. Comments that will help a person change for the better. I sure as hell know that about 80% of these comments would NEVER be said out loud because of how insensitive and downright cruel they are. I know that it's easy to dehumanize someone because they have a large platform and many followers. You forget that influencers are also human beings with feelings that could literally be shattered if they were to read some things as nasty and vile as I have been seeing on this forum.

She makes cringey TikToks. She dresses weird. Whatever. You guys are missing out the point. This girl is healing. Or trying to heal. She was diagnosed with PTSD, which is a serious mental disorder that will prevent her from being "normal" for a VERY long time. She will not be able to feel normal connections, normal emotions, normal experiences. This is because her mind has entirely blocked off her emotional processing center so that she won't feel anymore trauma, anymore pain, anymore love even. This happens as a defense mechanism and is seen in a LOT of individuals who find someone dead. Camryn's body is going to be in constant fight-or-flight for a VERY long time. Every slight trigger that reminds her of him will set that response off in her. So for those who are saying that she seems like she has 'forgotten about Landon' or 'isn't spending enough time with the girls' or 'seems emotionally distant', this is why. She physically cannot do any of these things right now. She cannot love the same way she used to, she cannot emphasize as deeply she once did, she cannot cry just to 'let it out', she cannot feel pain, she is just completely numb on the inside and out. And you guys need to understand that. How the hell is she supposed to go back to "normal" if she's completely broken on the inside and out? No one, unless you have PTSD, understands how difficult it is to live a day-to-day life. Everything is a challenge, even interacting with other people. Getting out of bed is a challenge on most days. But instead of giving her credit for literally forcing herself to work out every single day, starting her own business (I'm assuming that's her surprise career she's gonna announce), giving herself an entire makeover, trying to be there for her daughters, putting on a strong face every day, and also starting a new podcast, also not featuring her daughters on social media as often because she wants to respect their privacy, you guys just tear her down for unnecessary comments and stupid TikToks that she made. I'm gonna set one thing clear. Cam isn't the first or the last nineteen year old that makes stupid TikToks about things that probably shouldn't be talked about.

Before I get attacked, no, I am not a Camryn stan. I never particularly liked her. But not liking someone is never an excuse to say fucked up things behind them behind their backs. Have some empathy. This can happen to anyone. Remember that.

[sparkledglitter]

Me again, I agree with the person over me. You guys are the ones who seriously needs a reality check. You make excuses for your words by saying it is critical and that this is a forum for gossip. The definition of criticism: ''the expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes. ''

What she is doing does not give you any right to hate on her. So what if she makes the content you don't like? 90% of TikTok is in general totally cringe, but it is just because it's an app full of teenagers having fun not caring about people's opinions. We can't really hate on that. So what if her clothing style isn't approved by you? Since when was it a bad thing that someone dresses differently, not everyone wants to wear a tank top and mom jeans! She is 19 years old, trying to find some joy in her life. She is suffering from postpartum depression and PTSD, how tf do you expect her to deal with that? Obviously, she is not going to be thrilled about Delilah for now because postpartum depression is REAL af, and to not feel like you love your kids is also very normal! It is a taboo subject for a reason, and people are afraid to speak up about it because of people in this forum! You guys are the reason why people can't be honest about postpartum depression, not feeling you love your kids as you expected to, and also mental health in general. Because you judge their every single move! Before you experience something like this, please be educated on topics like this. Like I have mentioned hundreds of times already, I lost my mom and my two best friends to suicide. I found my mom dead. It totally fucked me, and I haven't been the same since. But since I went to a party two weeks later, and I am on TikTok does it mean that my mom is forgotten about and that I am all good? No! It just means that I am trying to live somehow normal because if I am all by myself with nothing to do it makes my head explode and it will make me do things I don't want to do.

She does all of this because she HAS to, not because she is trying to forget about Landon. You all really think she is going to lay in bed all day and cry over Landon, is that what you want to see? LMAO. Freaking creds to her for coming out of bed, putting on makeup, filming videos and TikTok, taking care of her kids, and go thrifting. I AM GLAD she does things like this. It means that she realizes she has to keep herself busy or else she wouldn't probably be here right now.

She found the love of her life dead. DEAD. He is never coming back, and she has to deal with that. At least she is trying, and at least she hasn't given up yet. Like I said, freaking creds to her. But whatever, you all can sit here and hating on her because she doesn't show us that she is crying over him because that makes you feel better? Camryn isn't the immature one here, you guys are.