Phil and Alex: clickbait, vlog’s late, & kids they don’t appreciate | Part 8

[Tiredofspoiledbrats]

How far do they live from the hospital? I used to work at our local childrens hospital and Ronald McDonald House was really only for families who lived 2 hours + away. It’s an amazing facility and is hard to get a place in.




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When my daughter was in the nicu they offered my husband and I a place to stay in the Ronald McDonald house and I refused.. we only lived 30-35 minutes away and I could imagine taking a bed from someone who needed it more than me. It makes me so mad that they are doing just that..

[Teatree10]

Just wanna say I have never ‘thanked’ so many comments as I have today on this thread- so nice to see so many sensible, valid points being made from an informed, science-based perspective. I don’t live in America and all we see of America in the media is Donald Trump refusing to wear masks, saying everything is fine now and can return to normal, and people with weapons protesting lockdowns. Alex and Phil are the epitome of that self-centred, entitled narrow world view where only their needs are valid and it’s a massive injustice if their needs are not fully catered too.

Yes they have faced disappointment but this is an extraordinary world event, hospitals need to be ultra cautious to ensure the heath of their ultra vulnerable patients.



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[HashtagBlessed]

I think the reason Alex is losing her mind over this disappointment and elevating it to such an unreasonable level is because she thought she would be there everyday to nurse every 2-3 hours. If she wants to exclusively breastfeed, and they are only allowed one visitor per patient in a 24 hour period, that means Phil is out, and according to Alex that translate to trauma to the baby. Honestly I don't know the logistics of exclusively breastfeeding an infant in the NICU with a heart condition that will require immediate surgery, but it sounds tenuous at best. In Alex's eyes, this is one more experience she didn't get with her adoptions that she now also likely won't get with her biological child.

The comments on that post are a train wreck that I need to look away from for my own sanity. People telling them to contact lawyers, to look for another hospital to deliver at, to call the hospital and demand that an exception be made, people who claim to be from a medical background and still can't grasp that this is about PPE availability, etc. If it weren't for this thread and the few sensible comments on Alex's Instagram post, I'd think the whole world had gone mad.

I also don't think people are actually watching the video and understanding the policy. People on her Instagram seem to be reacting to the outrage and jumping to the conclusion that they won't be permitted to rotate every 24 hours and Phil will never get the opportunity to see the baby in the NICU. No, this is about Alex choosing between exclusively breastfeeding (if she even has that choice, again I have no familiarity with the logistics of that) and letting Phil see the baby. It's far from ideal, and I get that Alex has never breastfed before and probably doesn't realize this, but if the baby is well enough to take a nipple (of any kind), then it's entirely possible that she can breastfeed for 24 hours, Philip can formula feed for 24-hours with baby while she pumps at home, and then once she establishes that bottle stash of breast milk that's one day ahead, they can continue to rotate every 24 hours with breast and then pumped breast milk from the bottle. Maybe not every 24 hours, but let's say every three days she gives up her visitor status to Phil.

We did this a little bit in the beginning for one night feeding and then for two months at daycare (back when daycare was a thing) before I was home full-time with her once again. They make nipples that closely mimic the flow from the breast. We used Comotomo. It's not ideal, but it's not worth becoming a raving lunatic over. I get it to some extent, but bottle feeding, either pumped milk or formula, is not the end of the world.

[Haulnarse]

Hows she going to “bond” with the baby when they cant hold her for a week or more?? Ffs parents deal with this and are far more gracious about it than her.

If baby needs surgery asap, then they wont be holding baby for a week or more afterwards. Sorry alex - no breastfeeding for you.

Next we will have crying and hysterics about her being so stressed and not producing breast milk.

[Scoobs212]

I think the reason Alex is losing her mind over this disappointment and elevating it to such an unreasonable level is because she thought she would be there everyday to nurse every 2-3 hours. If she wants to exclusively breastfeed, and they are only allowed one visitor per patient in a 24 hour period, that means Phil is out, and according to Alex that translate to trauma to the baby. Honestly I don't know the logistics of exclusively breastfeeding an infant in the NICU with a heart condition that will require immediate surgery, but it sounds tenuous at best. In Alex's eyes, this is one more experience she didn't get with her adoptions that she now also likely won't get with her biological child.

The comments on that post are a train wreck that I need to look away from for my own sanity. People telling them to contact lawyers, to look for another hospital to deliver at, to call the hospital and demand that an exception be made, people who claim to be from a medical background and still can't grasp that this is about PPE availability, etc. If it weren't for this thread and the few sensible comments on Alex's Instagram post, I'd think the whole world had gone mad.

I also don't think people are actually watching the video and understanding the policy. People on her Instagram seem to be reacting to the outrage and jumping to the conclusion that they won't be permitted to rotate every 24 hours and Phil will never get the opportunity to see the baby in the NICU. No, this is about Alex choosing between exclusively breastfeeding (if she even has that choice, again I have no familiarity with the logistics of that) and letting Phil see the baby. It's far from ideal, and I get that Alex has never breastfed before and probably doesn't realize this, but if the baby is well enough to take a nipple (of any kind), then it's entirely possible that she can breastfeed for 24 hours, Philip can formula feed for 24-hours with baby while she pumps at home, and then once she establishes that bottle stash of breast milk that's one day ahead, they can continue to rotate every 24 hours with breast and then pumped breast milk from the bottle. Maybe not every 24 hours, but let's say every three days she gives up her visitor status to Phil.

We did this a little bit in the beginning for one night feeding and then for two months at daycare (back when daycare was a thing) before I was home full-time with her once again. They make nipples that closely mimic the flow from the breast. We used Comotomo. It's not ideal, but it's not worth becoming a raving lunatic over. I get it to some extent, but bottle feeding, either pumped milk or formula, is not the end of the world.

Alex loves to act superior about her parenting. Think of all the times she's flat-out bragged about her girls eating vegetables or how kind and obedient they are. I'm sure she went into this pregnancy thinking that she would NEVER have medical intervention, this baby would NEVER drink formula, they would do ALL the skin-to-skin, and she would be the most crunchy, granola, earth mother to ever exist.
That's all come crashing down in the last month, and now she's realizing she'll be just like every other mom, making difficult decisions she hadn't anticipated because things don't always go according to plan.
Also, completely off topic, but I am ROLLING at her stories where she thanks "annonomous" for the baby gift. Someone please gift this woman a dictionary.

[Goodgirl]

Summary of the 38 Week Midwife Vlog posted today.

Alex: “Wah, wah, wahhhh, wah, wah wahhh, wah wah wahhhhh.”

Phil: “Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.”

Alex is dilated 1 cm.

The end.


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[Amelia322]

Why can’t Alex stay with the baby the first 72 hours or whatever and send Phil home with the kids? He’s going to see the baby born and once Alex is discharged they have to swap? I would just let Alex use that time to bond and breastfeed, Phil can wait?


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[Oookarrr]

I know everyone is like talking about the vlogs I don’t watch them anymore but idk if anyone has mentioned all the stuff she got from her P.O. Box that she showed on ig earlier today, and honestly at least she’s grateful and the kids will use it unlike Rachelle who gets a ton of stuff and decides to turn around and sell it on poshmark because it doesn’t fit her aesthetic of only expensive ass clothes


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[Tangie77]

I refuse to watch their entitled pity party rant- and I really have never wanted to send an email to a couple more. They are in need of a huge reality check! It’s absurd to
Think about infant trauma or allude to it. Also, I’m doubting this nursing career. She would know the NICU babies are extremely susceptible to infection and every precaution should be taken right now.
I really hope they do not pursue any more bio children.

[saltybitters]

No good lawyer would touch their case with a 10-foot, properly-socially-distanced pole. They don't have a leg to stand on, no rights are being violated. The only lawyers that would take it would be those hoping to bleed them for every red cent that isn't going to Magical Bio Baby's heart surgery. I hope for the girls' collective sake that P&A aren't that (pardon my language) fucking stupid.

[GGF1987]

Couldn't even make it half way through the new video. She totally thought she could go in and whine to the midwife and the midwife would tell her she was right and she'd take care of it and everything would be just fine. I thought at first this baby would be the golden child but she clearly doesn't care any more about this baby than she does Callie and Kinsley. This whole thing was about her and her getting the experience she wanted. This poor baby will be old news just like Callie and Kinsley soon and she'll be back in California for an embryo transfer as soon as they'll do one(and you better believe there won't be any birth control used and lots of prayers for an "oops" before then). I can't imagine what she'll do if she has to have a c-section. She must have been the worst NICU nurse ever with as little she cares about the safety of her own baby.

[Scandiqueen]

I think the reason Alex is losing her mind over this disappointment and elevating it to such an unreasonable level is because she thought she would be there everyday to nurse every 2-3 hours. If she wants to exclusively breastfeed, and they are only allowed one visitor per patient in a 24 hour period, that means Phil is out, and according to Alex that translate to trauma to the baby. Honestly I don't know the logistics of exclusively breastfeeding an infant in the NICU with a heart condition that will require immediate surgery, but it sounds tenuous at best. In Alex's eyes, this is one more experience she didn't get with her adoptions that she now also likely won't get with her biological child.

The comments on that post are a train wreck that I need to look away from for my own sanity. People telling them to contact lawyers, to look for another hospital to deliver at, to call the hospital and demand that an exception be made, people who claim to be from a medical background and still can't grasp that this is about PPE availability, etc. If it weren't for this thread and the few sensible comments on Alex's Instagram post, I'd think the whole world had gone mad.

I also don't think people are actually watching the video and understanding the policy. People on her Instagram seem to be reacting to the outrage and jumping to the conclusion that they won't be permitted to rotate every 24 hours and Phil will never get the opportunity to see the baby in the NICU. No, this is about Alex choosing between exclusively breastfeeding (if she even has that choice, again I have no familiarity with the logistics of that) and letting Phil see the baby. It's far from ideal, and I get that Alex has never breastfed before and probably doesn't realize this, but if the baby is well enough to take a nipple (of any kind), then it's entirely possible that she can breastfeed for 24 hours, Philip can formula feed for 24-hours with baby while she pumps at home, and then once she establishes that bottle stash of breast milk that's one day ahead, they can continue to rotate every 24 hours with breast and then pumped breast milk from the bottle. Maybe not every 24 hours, but let's say every three days she gives up her visitor status to Phil.

We did this a little bit in the beginning for one night feeding and then for two months at daycare (back when daycare was a thing) before I was home full-time with her once again. They make nipples that closely mimic the flow from the breast. We used Comotomo. It's not ideal, but it's not worth becoming a raving lunatic over. I get it to some extent, but bottle feeding, either pumped milk or formula, is not the end of the world.

Totally agree! I pumped with my first for the first 6 weeks as my nipples were SO torn up. I still ended up feeding him until he was 13 months, so giving bottles in the beginning is by no means a big deal. She's being unreasonable - WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC ALEX! Try and see the bigger picture here.

Also who are these Muppets sending them lovely things that she is showing on Instagram? I feel like she doesn't even seem very thankful for gifts when she's opening them.

[Maite5]

I know everyone is like talking about the vlogs I don’t watch them anymore but idk if anyone has mentioned all the stuff she got from her P.O. Box that she showed on ig earlier today, and honestly at least she’s grateful and the kids will use it unlike Rachelle who gets a ton of stuff and decides to turn around and sell it on poshmark because it doesn’t fit her aesthetic of only expensive ass clothes


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Exactlyyy !!!!well said!!!!


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[Haulnarse]

I cant believe she’s seriously going to consider trying to induce her own labour at 39 weeks. 40 weeks is term. Wait to be induced at the hospital if necessary. She is carrying an extremely medically complex child who needs to be born in a hospital with full medical team, she may need to be intubated ay birth.

They live what - 45 mins from the hospital? Yea, induce your own labour Alex, you moron.

[geezuuz]

I can totally understand their sadness about this. Yes, they have two children, but this IS the first time they get to experience pregnancy, labor, birth and hopefully breastfeeding. I've had three kids and it was as important for me the last time around as the first to hold my baby, to be with my baby all the time, to have the dad around all the time. Even though I had two children at home to, this time with the newborn and dad alone was precious. It is her first time going trough this, she must be allowed to feel scared, anxious, overwhelmed and totally unexperienced, because she is. This is her first time giving birth. It does not make her love her older kids less, but right now her mind is on her newborn to be, wich is where her mind should be. Other than that I find them like special snowflakes, but hey, we cant all be the same

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[AliCat91]

I cant believe she’s seriously going to consider trying to induce her own labour at 39 weeks. 40 weeks is term. Wait to be induced at the hospital if necessary. She is carrying an extremely medically complex child who needs to be born in a hospital with full medical team, she may need to be intubated ay birth.

They live what - 45 mins from the hospital? Yea, induce your own labour Alex, you moron.

I grow tired of people who try and induce their own labour. I’m type one diabetic and have seen it a lot on Facebook groups and forums, as we are often told we have to be induced at 38 weeks (and that’s a whole new can of worms!!!).

If it truly worked, we would all do it over a medicalised one! The only method with the slightest bit of evidence is nipple stimulation, but you’d have to be twiddling those bad boys non stop for a good few days


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[Scandiqueen]

I cant believe she’s seriously going to consider trying to induce her own labour at 39 weeks. 40 weeks is term. Wait to be induced at the hospital if necessary. She is carrying an extremely medically complex child who needs to be born in a hospital with full medical team, she may need to be intubated ay birth.

They live what - 45 mins from the hospital? Yea, induce your own labour Alex, you moron.

Totally agree, USA in general induce very early. I was induced at 42 weeks (standard practice here) and he arrived at 42+3. My second came naturally at 41+6. Some people just carry babies for longer.

[HashtagBlessed]

Alex loves to act superior about her parenting. Think of all the times she's flat-out bragged about her girls eating vegetables or how kind and obedient they are. I'm sure she went into this pregnancy thinking that she would NEVER have medical intervention, this baby would NEVER drink formula, they would do ALL the skin-to-skin, and she would be the most crunchy, granola, earth mother to ever exist.
That's all come crashing down in the last month, and now she's realizing she'll be just like every other mom, making difficult decisions she hadn't anticipated because things don't always go according to plan.
Also, completely off topic, but I am ROLLING at her stories where she thanks "annonomous" for the baby gift. Someone please gift this woman a dictionary.

Yep, I think that's a big part of it. She has a very rigid definition of the "right" way to do things, and hell hath no fury like Alex after she's been told she doesn't get to call all the shots. Sometimes health of the baby calls the shots, or the hospital administration trying to conserve PPE during a pandemic. It's clear from their words and actions that they think this pandemic is overblown fearmongering that exists to inconvenience them and infringe on their "rights" because someone is on a power trip. That alone is terrifying. What's also terrifying is Alex's overall demeanour when she's told "no." I honestly feel for her family, and particularly her kids, after witnessing that meltdown.

We gave my daughter formula in the hospital to supplement for the first few days because she had low blood sugar. The formula was medicine. If for any reason she needed that medicine longer due to a more complicated medical issue, I would not hesitate for a second to give it to her. Fed really is best. And I love breastfeeding my first born the past 9 months, but her health and well-being takes precedent over my breastfeeding experience. I don't think anything about the NICU will be easy and I don't envy what they are about to go through. But she is still stuck in this mindset of "crunchy, granola, earth mother" competition. Talking about naturally inducing at home a medically compromised baby at 39 weeks that needs immediate attention after birth when you live 45 minutes from the hospital?

[rbyrolg]

So are Alex and Phil of the opinion that if you don't have skin to skin contact with your child immediately upon birth, that you cannot bond with the child? Are the saying that any adoption not done at birth means the adoptive parents cannot bond with the child? My husband's cousin adopted a 4 month old baby from Chili and trust me there was no issues of forming a bond with their baby.

It’s Chile, bte


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[IVFwarrior]

Alex loves to act superior about her parenting. Think of all the times she's flat-out bragged about her girls eating vegetables or how kind and obedient they are. I'm sure she went into this pregnancy thinking that she would NEVER have medical intervention, this baby would NEVER drink formula, they would do ALL the skin-to-skin, and she would be the most crunchy, granola, earth mother to ever exist.
That's all come crashing down in the last month, and now she's realizing she'll be just like every other mom, making difficult decisions she hadn't anticipated because things don't always go according to plan.
Also, completely off topic, but I am ROLLING at her stories where she thanks "annonomous" for the baby gift. Someone please gift this woman a dictionary.

Yep, I think that's a big part of it. She has a very rigid definition of the "right" way to do things, and hell hath no fury like Alex after she's been told she doesn't get to call all the shots. Sometimes health of the baby calls the shots, or the hospital administration trying to conserve PPE during a pandemic. It's clear from their words and actions that they think this pandemic is overblown fearmongering that exists to inconvenience them and infringe on their "rights" because someone is on a power trip. That alone is terrifying. What's also terrifying is Alex's overall demeanour when she's told "no." I honestly feel for her family, and particularly her kids, after witnessing that meltdown.

We gave my daughter formula in the hospital to supplement for the first few days because she had low blood sugar. The formula was medicine. If for any reason she needed that medicine longer due to a more complicated medical issue, I would not hesitate for a second to give it to her. Fed really is best. And I love breastfeeding my first born the past 9 months, but her health and well-being takes precedent over my breastfeeding experience. I don't think anything about the NICU will be easy and I don't envy what they are about to go through. But she is still stuck in this mindset of "crunchy, granola, earth mother" competition. Talking about naturally inducing at home a medically compromised baby at 39 weeks that needs immediate attention after birth when you live 45 minutes from the hospital?

Given that Alex has put on 55lbs already, has a pretty large fundal height measurement for her gestation, and just barely barely passed the GD test (and probably went straight back to eating crap x10 afterwards) I wouldn't be at all surprised if this baby has low blood sugar at birth. No one is going to be waiting for Alex to hand express a few drops of her miracle unicorn milk.