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rachel_rob wrote:I don't understand why everyone keeps making a huge deal about her mom, and sticking up for her. It really bothers me when people stick up for ADULTS and put all the responsibility and burden on the CHILDREN. If anyone should be responsible to make an effort, it is the parent. It's not, and never should be, the child's responsibility to make things work with a parent. Her mother made certain choices in life that seem to have put a strain on their relationship, and not is not Kyra's fault in anyway. As some of you have said, it is not a belief that her mom was happy about her choice to get pregnant again, so why would she want that around her daughter? Yes, some people come around, but some parents have a warped view of what life should be.
Instead of starting a family, my mom thought that my time should be spent "Going clubbing and drinking and going to parties, and being a 'normal' 21 year old".
Which clearly is not something you encourage your child to do. I love my mom, but the thought of visiting her, gives me anxiety. She has 0 filters, and doesn't think before she talks, and has very little respect for my spouse, and has a very short fuse. My daughter is almost 1 and has never met her. And although I am in no hurry to visit her, and barely talk to her-- if I were a vlogger- I would NOT go saying how I feel to the world about my mom. And I wouldn't expect Kyra to do that either. And honestly, the fact that she hasn't done that is great! If she had, that would show a very high level of immaturity, and clearly she knows how to keep private things private.

My point is, it is not up to the child to make things right with their parents. So I don't understand why people are expecting for her to make all the effort? It seems like if there was a simple explanation, she would have mentioned something like, "My mom is really busy with work but is coming out this summer." But she has ignored it completely which shows that it's not something she wants to bring up.
Expecting a child to be the one to mend things with their parent, is like implying that the CHILD did anything wrong. As if the child is the one at fault for all of the parents mistakes. And that's not true.
You guys make your points and put out your complaints, but this one I COMPLETELY disagree with.

But then again, we know NOTHING. She could have a great relationship with her mom, and maybe her mom is already planning on coming out!:)
I completely agree with what youre saying lol my point in my post was, just for my own piece of mind i would still try to make things right with my mother so that in the end i knew i tried. (not saying kyra should or anything like that lol) but yes i agree that the child shouldnt have to make things work with their own parent. The parent should be doing that. And yes maybe they do have a good relationship, and kyra may want it to be more of a private thing :)

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I think you meant well by your post but if you haven't experienced having a strained relationship with your mother then you don't really know what it's like. Unless you have experience with another family member but you mentioned your mom so that's just what I am going off of. You get tired of the constant disappointment and eventually give up on the relationship. We don't know what happened with kyra and her mom but we do know that kyra lived with her dad, talked about having a tough childhood, and mentioned she had no baby pictures at all. Maybe kyra has decided to let her mom reach out to her for once.

Something else to consider is lots of men have this type of estranged relationship with their kids as well. They only call for birthdays and hardly visit. It's pretty uncommon but maybe kyra and her mom have this relationship as well.
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Here was go again with the Kyras mom bull. Newsflash, Oscars Dad is loaded, way more than O&K. Theyre not flying him anywhere, he can afford to fly himself to places. I think its quite obvious theyre not close with her Mother, clearly. She hasnt taken the time to visit them EVER! When they lived in Montana she didnt even take the time to be around. So over hearing all the boohoos for her Mom. People literally picked that topic apart just a few weeks ago. Let it go.[/quote]

You'd think it'd be obvious with the way Kyra is clearly closer to her step-mom than her own mother. She and her mom do not have a good relationship, so I don't understand why people here keep pushing the issue.[/quote]

I agree, but I will say its super annoying how Kyra NEVER discusses anything about her personal life. She's like a totally closed book, you'd think if they really wanted to get views and new subs they would open up a little and spill some tea. Even Keren has moments in her blogs where she shares a fight her and Khoa had, or something else related to her emotions and other real life shit. It's bizarre to me how Kyra NEVER has real moments on the vlogs. They have just gotten progressively more fake and annoying.
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greeneyes21 wrote:
rachel_rob wrote:I don't understand why everyone keeps making a huge deal about her mom, and sticking up for her. It really bothers me when people stick up for ADULTS and put all the responsibility and burden on the CHILDREN. If anyone should be responsible to make an effort, it is the parent. It's not, and never should be, the child's responsibility to make things work with a parent. Her mother made certain choices in life that seem to have put a strain on their relationship, and not is not Kyra's fault in anyway. As some of you have said, it is not a belief that her mom was happy about her choice to get pregnant again, so why would she want that around her daughter? Yes, some people come around, but some parents have a warped view of what life should be.
Instead of starting a family, my mom thought that my time should be spent "Going clubbing and drinking and going to parties, and being a 'normal' 21 year old".
Which clearly is not something you encourage your child to do. I love my mom, but the thought of visiting her, gives me anxiety. She has 0 filters, and doesn't think before she talks, and has very little respect for my spouse, and has a very short fuse. My daughter is almost 1 and has never met her. And although I am in no hurry to visit her, and barely talk to her-- if I were a vlogger- I would NOT go saying how I feel to the world about my mom. And I wouldn't expect Kyra to do that either. And honestly, the fact that she hasn't done that is great! If she had, that would show a very high level of immaturity, and clearly she knows how to keep private things private.

My point is, it is not up to the child to make things right with their parents. So I don't understand why people are expecting for her to make all the effort? It seems like if there was a simple explanation, she would have mentioned something like, "My mom is really busy with work but is coming out this summer." But she has ignored it completely which shows that it's not something she wants to bring up.
Expecting a child to be the one to mend things with their parent, is like implying that the CHILD did anything wrong. As if the child is the one at fault for all of the parents mistakes. And that's not true.
You guys make your points and put out your complaints, but this one I COMPLETELY disagree with.

But then again, we know NOTHING. She could have a great relationship with her mom, and maybe her mom is already planning on coming out!:)
I completely agree with what youre saying lol my point in my post was, just for my own piece of mind i would still try to make things right with my mother so that in the end i knew i tried. (not saying kyra should or anything like that lol) but yes i agree that the child shouldnt have to make things work with their own parent. The parent should be doing that. And yes maybe they do have a good relationship, and kyra may want it to be more of a private thing :)

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I think you meant well by your post but if you haven't experienced having a strained relationship with your mother then you don't really know what it's like. Unless you have experience with another family member but you mentioned your mom so that's just what I am going off of. You get tired of the constant disappointment and eventually give up on the relationship. We don't know what happened with kyra and her mom but we do know that kyra lived with her dad, talked about having a tough childhood, and mentioned she had no baby pictures at all. Maybe kyra has decided to let her mom reach out to her for once.

Something else to consider is lots of men have this type of estranged relationship with their kids as well. They only call for birthdays and hardly visit. It's pretty uncommon but maybe kyra and her mom have this relationship as well.
I agree, me and my mother never really got along that great when i was growing up, even now its kind of difficult to get along with her, (i just chose not to say anything about me and my mothers relationship personally but oh well i guess) me and her arent ever on the same page, and ive learned instead of arguing i just ignore it so that we are on good terms. I just dont like arguing anymore. I wasnt trying to say kyra is a bad person if she doesnt do that with her own mother (or anyone else for that matter) i was just meaning personally how i am lol. Wasnt trying to put my two cents in, about something i dont know anything about and be one of those people lol. Sorry if i offended anybody, was not my intention.

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I think you meant well by your post but if you haven't experienced having a strained relationship with your mother then you don't really know what it's like. Unless you have experience with another family member but you mentioned your mom so that's just what I am going off of. You get tired of the constant disappointment and eventually give up on the relationship. We don't know what happened with kyra and her mom but we do know that kyra lived with her dad, talked about having a tough childhood, and mentioned she had no baby pictures at all. Maybe kyra has decided to let her mom reach out to her for once.

Something else to consider is lots of men have this type of estranged relationship with their kids as well. They only call for birthdays and hardly visit. It's pretty uncommon but maybe kyra and her mom have this relationship as well.[/quote]
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Yes, I do have a pretty strained relationship with my mom, pretty much the exact same situation as her-- I too was raised by my dad. My mother was present, but as a teen she was okay with me having sex, drinking, smoking, and never taught me otherwise. I said I love my mom and all, and I do love her dearly, because she is my mom, but I don't have respect for her as a mom. I am not one to 'cut' family out of my life, but I have certain members that I will never go out of my way to contact. But I do get why some people disagree with my post. As much as I do believe that it should NEVER be on the child to mend things with their parent, (unless the child is at fault.. Doing drugs, moves out, cuts ties with family.. that sort of thing) I do know some situations may call for it.
For example, my mom is very.... naive. She has no idea that I have any resentment towards her, because in her eyes, she did absolutely nothing wrong. She blames things on other people-- she wasn't very present because my dad 'stole' custody, things like that. So I know some people just don't think things are their fault, or don't think they did anything wrong. Then, yes, the child may need to approach the parent with how they feel, so the parent can then mend things. But I know it can be FRUSTRATING when they think they have done nothing wrong. Thinking it's okay to allow a 15 year old to drink smoke and have sex because I was "old enough to make my own decisions." But I always wish for the best:) Maybe her mom just wants nothing to do with the vlogs. Perhaps she heard her say something negative about her and got mad, and now Kyra just avoids mentioning her altogether to avoid her getting offended by anything:)
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I agree, but I will say its super annoying how Kyra NEVER discusses anything about her personal life. She's like a totally closed book, you'd think if they really wanted to get views and new subs they would open up a little and spill some tea. Even Keren has moments in her blogs where she shares a fight her and Khoa had, or something else related to her emotions and other real life shit. It's bizarre to me how Kyra NEVER has real moments on the vlogs. They have just gotten progressively more fake and annoying.

I agree, in a sense of her personal life (Her, Oscar and the babies). But family can be iffy.. I mean how would you feel if someone in your family was a very popular vlogger and called you out for something you did to them? It's kind of like "Just because you are willing to put your personal life out there, doesn't give you the right to put out other peoples personal information" So yes, I would be great to have them be a little more personal, but it seems like it would get a little tricky. And Oscars family just seems so nice and open, so of course their not going to care if certain things are shared. But generally, you would get someones permission before saying anything about them, otherwise that will just cause problems. And I know Karen posted that video about her mother in law, but took it down because she got really mad or something.
But also, I think they do their bickering in the vlogs, it's not like their pretending like they are this big happy family who just smile and kiss and get along. I personally like that we see them have little arguments, to me it makes it feel more real. Yes, K&K are open when they fight, but it's never in the vlogs, it only just a quick story about a fight and thats it.
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olivialinnea101 wrote:Here was go again with the Kyras mom bull. Newsflash, Oscars Dad is loaded, way more than O&K. Theyre not flying him anywhere, he can afford to fly himself to places. I think its quite obvious theyre not close with her Mother, clearly. She hasnt taken the time to visit them EVER! When they lived in Montana she didnt even take the time to be around. So over hearing all the boohoos for her Mom. People literally picked that topic apart just a few weeks ago. Let it go.
You'd think it'd be obvious with the way Kyra is clearly closer to her step-mom than her own mother. She and her mom do not have a good relationship, so I don't understand why people here keep pushing the issue.[/quote]

I agree, but I will say its super annoying how Kyra NEVER discusses anything about her personal life. She's like a totally closed book, you'd think if they really wanted to get views and new subs they would open up a little and spill some tea. Even Keren has moments in her blogs where she shares a fight her and Khoa had, or something else related to her emotions and other real life shit. It's bizarre to me how Kyra NEVER has real moments on the vlogs. They have just gotten progressively more fake and annoying.[/quote]

Maybe because it's her personal life?
Even public figures are allowed to have one. If she's not comfortable talking about personal issues, especially issues that not only involve her family but others as well, then she shouldn't be forced to talk about it just because viewers are "annoyed".
She's shared enough for us to know there's no relationship between them. We know she decided to live with her dad because her mom was barely home and jumping from one relationship to another. We know her mom is too busy to take time off to visit her and we also know their relationship was never the best and it wasnt until recently that they started talking more on the phone.
In the past 2 years Kyra made the effort and visited her. When they were living in Montana, they droved for 8 hours just to stay with her mom for a few days. Did her mom ever returned the favor?

It is what it is.
If you read between the lines you'll notice so many little details about their life that they'll never talk about upfront.
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I agree, but I will say its super annoying how Kyra NEVER discusses anything about her personal life. She's like a totally closed book, you'd think if they really wanted to get views and new subs they would open up a little and spill some tea. Even Keren has moments in her blogs where she shares a fight her and Khoa had, or something else related to her emotions and other real life shit. It's bizarre to me how Kyra NEVER has real moments on the vlogs. They have just gotten progressively more fake and annoying.[/quote]

Maybe because it's her personal life?
Even public figures are allowed to have one. If she's not comfortable talking about personal issues, especially issues that not only involve her family but others as well, then she shouldn't be forced to talk about it just because viewers are "annoyed".
She's shared enough for us to know there's no relationship between them. We know she decided to live with her dad because her mom was barely home and jumping from one relationship to another. We know her mom is too busy to take time off to visit her and we also know their relationship was never the best and it wasnt until recently that they started talking more on the phone.
In the past 2 years Kyra made the effort and visited her. When they were living in Montana, they droved for 8 hours just to stay with her mom for a few days. Did her mom ever returned the favor?

I should have clarified, I'm not referring to her discussing her relationships with her extended family, I'm talking about her sharing more about HER personal life, her thoughts and feelings on her kids and boyfriend etc. The blogs get boring when its just "ok guys we're going to starbucks and the trampoline park" with no added discussions about her feelings or thoughts on her current life.
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olivialinnea101 wrote:Here was go again with the Kyras mom bull. Newsflash, Oscars Dad is loaded, way more than O&K. Theyre not flying him anywhere, he can afford to fly himself to places. I think its quite obvious theyre not close with her Mother, clearly. She hasnt taken the time to visit them EVER! When they lived in Montana she didnt even take the time to be around. So over hearing all the boohoos for her Mom. People literally picked that topic apart just a few weeks ago. Let it go.
You'd think it'd be obvious with the way Kyra is clearly closer to her step-mom than her own mother. She and her mom do not have a good relationship, so I don't understand why people here keep pushing the issue.[/quote]

I agree, but I will say its super annoying how Kyra NEVER discusses anything about her personal life. She's like a totally closed book, you'd think if they really wanted to get views and new subs they would open up a little and spill some tea. Even Keren has moments in her blogs where she shares a fight her and Khoa had, or something else related to her emotions and other real life shit. It's bizarre to me how Kyra NEVER has real moments on the vlogs. They have just gotten progressively more fake and annoying.[/quote]

she never shares anything because it would disrupt the ~*pErFeCt* *tEeN* *pArEnT*~ dynamic they try so hard to push.


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I honestly think it's more of a money issue then anything when it comes to Kyras mom. I don't know if any of you have ever lived month to month, but it's super stressful. They make it obvious her mother isn't well off, she probably can't afford to miss more then one shift of work. I think with all the travelling oscar and kyra have done, they should have at least made the effort to make a trip to Montana to see grandma Kathy, and maybe go to her moms for a day or two. i will never understand why they moved to Utah, they wouldn't need to travel all the time to see family and friends and hang out with anyone beyond themselves.
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I think it's obvious that Kyra's mom was neglectful when she was a child seeing as they even had to deal with CPS, had little to no money (not that that means she's neglectful but it does affect a child and put a strain on that relationship), and the fact that Kyra wanted to go live with her dad and has admitted to not having a good relationship with her mom. She's even said how as a child she had to share a room with multiple kids and yet the only sibling she's ever mentioned is his brother so it makes me wonder whether her mom had boyfriends living with her and going in/out of their lives or if maybe she has other siblings who don't want to be a part of that family either. Kyra obviously had a tough upbringing and to assume that she doesn't care about her mom for no reason and that its shitty that she hasn't made an effort to introduce Alaya to her is pretty low. She's even said that her mom is working and going to school so that's another excuse right there.
Point out Kyra's problematic parenting and her attitude but acting like she's terrible for not being close to her mother is uncalled for. Why are children always expected to look past their parents' mistakes and forgive them for contributing to their suffering? Parents have a huge impact on children and it's not wrong of Kyra to want to distance herself from all that. We don't know what's going on and it really shouldn't matter. Faulting her for this seems really extra and rude.
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dnbunny wrote:
Blackswan wrote:Well she has a big nose too so their kids didn't stand a chance.
Well I'm of Mexican descent and also have a larger nose so I guess I don't really notice those types of things or see them in a negative light.


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olivialinnea101 wrote:Here was go again with the Kyras mom bull. Newsflash, Oscars Dad is loaded, way more than O&K. Theyre not flying him anywhere, he can afford to fly himself to places. I think its quite obvious theyre not close with her Mother, clearly. She hasnt taken the time to visit them EVER! When they lived in Montana she didnt even take the time to be around. So over hearing all the boohoos for her Mom. People literally picked that topic apart just a few weeks ago. Let it go.
You'd think it'd be obvious with the way Kyra is clearly closer to her step-mom than her own mother. She and her mom do not have a good relationship, so I don't understand why people here keep pushing the issue.[/quote]

I agree, but I will say its super annoying how Kyra NEVER discusses anything about her personal life. She's like a totally closed book, you'd think if they really wanted to get views and new subs they would open up a little and spill some tea. Even Keren has moments in her blogs where she shares a fight her and Khoa had, or something else related to her emotions and other real life shit. It's bizarre to me how Kyra NEVER has real moments on the vlogs. They have just gotten progressively more fake and annoying.[/quote]

I think this is also a huge red flag that things are not ok with her mom. If they were she wouldnt be so closed off. Or at least I wouldnt. I feel like she would aknowledge it and tell ppl that everything is ok. The fact that she doesnt talk about her at all tells me its something serious.
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Ohthehumanity wrote:I honestly think it's more of a money issue then anything when it comes to Kyras mom. I don't know if any of you have ever lived month to month, but it's super stressful. They make it obvious her mother isn't well off, she probably can't afford to miss more then one shift of work. I think with all the travelling oscar and kyra have done, they should have at least made the effort to make a trip to Montana to see grandma Kathy, and maybe go to her moms for a day or two. i will never understand why they moved to Utah, they wouldn't need to travel all the time to see family and friends and hang out with anyone beyond themselves.
Why do you think its a money issue? Ive never seen a vlog where they make it obvious that her mom has money issues. Even when they lived in Montana she was never around. You cant tell me she cant afford to visit them while only living a cpl hrs away. Now the Utah thing I agree with. Totally blows my mind. Its like they bought a map, closed their eyes and pointed. lol so random!
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I'm a bit late but for everyone saying they think Kyra should try to make the relationship with her mom work just because you would...
Clearly you don't know what it's like to have a mom who is a toxic person


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I wonder if maybe they'd be better off buying a house a bit closer to Keren and Khoa? they're a good influence on them, their kids would have someone to play with and they'd get out more. They're too young to buy a house so far away from their friends and family
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miamaldari wrote:
olivialinnea101 wrote:Here was go again with the Kyras mom bull. Newsflash, Oscars Dad is loaded, way more than O&K. Theyre not flying him anywhere, he can afford to fly himself to places. I think its quite obvious theyre not close with her Mother, clearly. She hasnt taken the time to visit them EVER! When they lived in Montana she didnt even take the time to be around. So over hearing all the boohoos for her Mom. People literally picked that topic apart just a few weeks ago. Let it go.
You'd think it'd be obvious with the way Kyra is clearly closer to her step-mom than her own mother. She and her mom do not have a good relationship, so I don't understand why people here keep pushing the issue.
I agree, but I will say its super annoying how Kyra NEVER discusses anything about her personal life. She's like a totally closed book, you'd think if they really wanted to get views and new subs they would open up a little and spill some tea. Even Keren has moments in her blogs where she shares a fight her and Khoa had, or something else related to her emotions and other real life shit. It's bizarre to me how Kyra NEVER has real moments on the vlogs. They have just gotten progressively more fake and annoying.[/quote]

she never shares anything because it would disrupt the ~*pErFeCt* *tEeN* *pArEnT*~ dynamic they try so hard to push.


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I can't fault her for not discussing it. Maybe it's worse than we think and it would trigger her to talk about it. Maybe it's something very private and she doesn't want to share it with thousands of people, or put her mom on blast. If she was constantly hinting at it for attention but never sharing details like Vanessa does I'd be annoyed, but I can't fault her for not talking about her hard past/her private issues with her mother.
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There's some rumours going round about Adsense on YouTube changing... and I think that's why many YouTubers are having to change their game and upload more often.. maybe that's why Kyra and Oscar have been uploading more often and decided to start from NYC trips...
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rachel_rob wrote:I don't understand why everyone keeps making a huge deal about her mom, and sticking up for her. It really bothers me when people stick up for ADULTS and put all the responsibility and burden on the CHILDREN. If anyone should be responsible to make an effort, it is the parent. It's not, and never should be, the child's responsibility to make things work with a parent. Her mother made certain choices in life that seem to have put a strain on their relationship, and not is not Kyra's fault in anyway. As some of you have said, it is not a belief that her mom was happy about her choice to get pregnant again, so why would she want that around her daughter? Yes, some people come around, but some parents have a warped view of what life should be.
Instead of starting a family, my mom thought that my time should be spent "Going clubbing and drinking and going to parties, and being a 'normal' 21 year old".
Which clearly is not something you encourage your child to do. I love my mom, but the thought of visiting her, gives me anxiety. She has 0 filters, and doesn't think before she talks, and has very little respect for my spouse, and has a very short fuse. My daughter is almost 1 and has never met her. And although I am in no hurry to visit her, and barely talk to her-- if I were a vlogger- I would NOT go saying how I feel to the world about my mom. And I wouldn't expect Kyra to do that either. And honestly, the fact that she hasn't done that is great! If she had, that would show a very high level of immaturity, and clearly she knows how to keep private things private.

My point is, it is not up to the child to make things right with their parents. So I don't understand why people are expecting for her to make all the effort? It seems like if there was a simple explanation, she would have mentioned something like, "My mom is really busy with work but is coming out this summer." But she has ignored it completely which shows that it's not something she wants to bring up.
Expecting a child to be the one to mend things with their parent, is like implying that the CHILD did anything wrong. As if the child is the one at fault for all of the parents mistakes. And that's not true.
You guys make your points and put out your complaints, but this one I COMPLETELY disagree with.

But then again, we know NOTHING. She could have a great relationship with her mom, and maybe her mom is already planning on coming out!:)
Just had to LOL at the fact that you said "ADULT" and "CHILD," instead of "PARENT" and "CHILD." Not laughing at you, just laughing because Kyra (and Oscar) doesn't come across as an adult, so it makes sense to think of the situation as adult/child rather than parent/adult child.
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Re: OkBabiesRaisingBabies: Part 12

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I don't have a relationship with my Mother. She is totally toxic. So I do understand what it's like. But we don't know if Kyra's mom is toxic because she has never spoken about it. So stop assuming shit.


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I am a firm believer of the tje attitude that children owe their parents nothing.

People who have never experienced toxic parents are literally discussing something they can never understand.
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