E+J - Schrödinger's Baby | Part 26

[ja14]

Since Calvin was a sign that what they had been doing was so right, is this a sign that they are terrible people? (In Ellie's mind)

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[bongtu]

I just signed up and have been reading here for a good few months. It's amazing to me how naive some people are in the comments. My take on this whole thing is that Ellie was so overconfident that she was pregnant she forced herself to believe it. Her family knows she's that idiotic and are staying away. Jared is just babying her and going along with everything for the money. Right now, she doesn't want to be seen in public ever again because she humiliated herself. One of my best friends is the friend Ellie went to hair school with.

Do they still keep in touch?

Yes, they recently went to get pedicures in one of the vlogs

[mavenjill]

I keep thinking back to them sitting in the couch and Ellie bulging her eyes trying to see the positive line on the test when they announced and Jared making a weak try at celebrating and saying, " yea, Ellie your pregnant! " or something along those lines and she just keeps staring at the test like not cracking a smile. Jared looks at her like, come on woman celebrate. Buy I think Ellie knew it was too light for how far along she was. She was hoping to get a darker line than the night before and like she stared and waited but it never happened. So I believe she knew she would miscarry and it was an early loss. She was in denial and why her very adamant "but it's there!" About the hcg level was helping her be in denial. She was holding on to the fact she for pregnant last time straight off birth control too if that is correct in happening. (Sorry didn't watch back then)

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[bunny88]

I keep thinking back to them sitting in the couch and Ellie bulging her eyes trying to see the positive line on the test when they announced and Jared making a weak try at celebrating and saying, " yea, Ellie your pregnant! " or something along those lines and she just keeps staring at the test like not cracking a smile. Jared looks at her like, come on woman celebrate. Buy I think Ellie knew it was too light for how far along she was. She was hoping to get a darker line than the night before and like she stared and waited but it never happened. So I believe she knew she would miscarry and it was an early loss. She was in denial and why her very adamant "but it's there!" About the hcg level was helping her be in denial. She was holding on to the fact she for pregnant last time straight off birth control too if that is correct in happening. (Sorry didn't watch back then)

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She didn't use any birth control after Jackson was born. They were NTNP. She had 1 period about 4 months before she tested positive with Calvin. Just FYI

[mavenjill]

I keep thinking back to them sitting in the couch and Ellie bulging her eyes trying to see the positive line on the test when they announced and Jared making a weak try at celebrating and saying, " yea, Ellie your pregnant! " or something along those lines and she just keeps staring at the test like not cracking a smile. Jared looks at her like, come on woman celebrate. Buy I think Ellie knew it was too light for how far along she was. She was hoping to get a darker line than the night before and like she stared and waited but it never happened. So I believe she knew she would miscarry and it was an early loss. She was in denial and why her very adamant "but it's there!" About the hcg level was helping her be in denial. She was holding on to the fact she for pregnant last time straight off birth control too if that is correct in happening. (Sorry didn't watch back then)

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She didn't use any birth control after Jackson was born. They were NTNP. She had 1 period about 4 months before she tested positive with Calvin. Just FYI

Oh so that's why she did that whole explaining excitingly over and over that she got pregnant with only one cycle! I thought it was still this one. thanks

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[calliepaige]

FFS this whole situation is a shit show. Geez.

Also she hasn't been active on Twitter but she's been really active on Instagram the last couple days liking and commenting on pics.

You can definitely tell some shit went down between her and Jared.


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[jillvstheworld]

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Im pretty sure they got in a fight, im sure Jared told Ellie something along the lines of "I told you so / we shouldn't have told everyone now we look like idiots and its all your fault ect" Jared knew this pregnancy was fake all along, he did not believe any of Ellie's so called symptoms. Ellie dug them a grave and Jared it trying so hard to crawl his way out but to even remotely do so he has to lie and say she had a miscarriage but really got her period. That being said Ellie surely spit fire and things got heated, which resulted in Jared leaving her alone for 2 reasons:
1) for them both to cool down
2) so the boys and penny do not have to listen or watch them fight

She definitely got her period the night before, not in the morning. And the fight started then. Jared definitely did not sleep in the same room as Ellie and he sent the boys to Jared's parents house thus asking them if they slept well, and them responding "better than you" and his parents were also there to obviously support Jared because Ellie is in bed im sure crying her eyes out.

Jared did not support her cause he knew, he didnt shed a tear nor go to the appointment as he obviously didn't want to show any support in Ellie's lies. He constantly was questioning her so called symptoms.

Ellie definitely was testing daily and each test was negative, and the one test they showed was positive whether it be an evap line or it really was a false positive. Ellie rubbed it into Jared's face "im right, you were questioning me bla bla bla" and when she got her period he definitely turned the tables on her.

(Sorry for any spelling errors my phone keeps adding extra letters/words dont know why)

(This is from the last thread, but I figured I'd respond here)
Hmm. That's an interesting thought. I hadn't considered this being the case. Although I remember from one of their older vlogs that Jared explained that if he and Ellie fight, they never go to bed angry. They always try to work it out Which I think is an awesome strategy, but who knows, he may have been lying (plus it was a couple years ago; a lot has changed since.)

I don't think a fight is the reason Ellie is hiding out. I think it's a mixture of grief, shame, and embarrassment. You're right, they completely jumped the gun and were really cocky about the whole thing. My theory is that they had originally planned to announce the pregnancy on mother's day whether or not they actually received a positive, but Jared was more hesitant to do it than Ellie since he knew that something didn't seem right. This probably led to some arguments and Jared being more doubtful overall.

Maybe she did get her period, but from what Jared described it sounds more like a chemical pregnancy. Even though it was early along, a loss is still a loss. It would make sense for her to be taking a couple days off to grieve. I certainly would.

Also, this title was mine! Thanks for using it!

[HelloSweetie]

Is it bothering anyone else that Ellie has retreated from her children instead of wanting to be with them more? My only consolation during my losses was that I was already blessed enough to have one child. I couldn't imagine struggling so much and not having that comfort. Ellie and Jared struggled with infertility (supposedly). They have two boys already, and yes this loss is very sad, but life doesn't stop. The boys still want and need their mother. They are grieving too, and likely don't understand what is going on. Jared has never had time to spend with friends before, but suddenly decides to do it now? One thing is certain, I don't think E&J appreciate their children half as much as we all thought they would in the beginning.

I can't imagine how the infertility friends must feel watching this saga continue. Many new people have joined here, and I expect more if this TTC saga continues on in such a strange way.

[jillvstheworld]

Is it bothering anyone else that Ellie has retreated from her children instead of wanting to be with them more? My only consolation during my losses was that I was already blessed enough to have one child. I couldn't imagine struggling so much and not having that comfort. Ellie and Jared struggled with infertility (supposedly). They have two boys already, and yes this loss is very sad, but life doesn't stop. The boys still want and need their mother. They are grieving too, and likely don't understand what is going on. Jared has never had time to spend with friends before, but suddenly decides to do it now? One thing is certain, I don't think E&J appreciate their children half as much as we all thought they would in the beginning.

I can't imagine how the infertility friends must feel watching this saga continue. Many new people have joined here, and I expect more if this TTC saga continues on in such a strange way.

You're right, it is weird. I just went back and watched the video where she got the phone call that she'd miscarry with Calvin ("Unexpected Doctor Visit") and THE VERY FIRST thing she did was grab Jackson and give him a kiss. E+J have always been all about appreciating your family and holding them tight in times of grief, as we've seen with a couple of their family members who have passed away. The Griffiths/Mechams seem like they're very touchy-feely, so yeah seeing E+J basically isolate themselves from the kids (and not even be together themselves) is super strange,

I take back my earlier statement. I definitely think they are fighting. I just hope the kids won't get stuck in the middle of it.

[Ceirsten8676]

As someone said previously, this is a loss but not a tragic loss. Ellie needs to put her big girl pants on and be a parent to her two children, one of who's birthday is 3 days away. I can't believe she's literally hiding from the people who pay her bills.


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[ewokfan11]

Why didn't Jared just say yesterday that they were going to take the weekend off? It seems gross that he's posting just because he knows the views are UP. There was no content in today's "vlog," it was just for views. It's kind of disgusting that he'd even want to post right now IF Ellie was really feeling so terrible. But I think she's just fine and hiding out in her bathroom surrounded by CB tests.

Her mom even posted happy photos of their trip to Moab, so Ellie must be doing fine...at least physically. Her mental situation doesn't seem to be fine.

[fossilfinger]

So I believe she knew she would miscarry and it was an early loss. She was in denial and why her very adamant "but it's there!" About the hcg level was helping her be in denial.

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The part of the announcement video that bothered me was when Ellie said something like, "No matter what happens, I am pregnant right now, and I'm grateful for that." She has never had a loss before, so I see no reason why she would need to use this type of wording. This is almost exactly what Joan said when she learned their IVF was successful, but Joan had a reason to be very cautious. Who starts talking about potentially miscarrying immediately after they find out they're pregnant? I understand not getting hopes up too high, but there are so many different ways she could have phrased that sentiment, like, "I'm so grateful I'm pregnant and I'm going to try to live in the moment." Not talking about "whatever may happen in the future," implying that something terrible might happen.

[actuallydear]

the more i think about it, the more it is starting to make sense that she has been admitted to hospital because she's not coping.

it would make sense that missy and katie would remain silent, same as her sisters. jared putting on a brave face, not mentioning how ellie is doing, and why he's not emotional over the baby/not baby. could be why the boys were with jared the other day out of the house, so they weren't wondering where mommy was. same as the vlogs... he's trying not to arouse suspicion.

think about it and tell me why this isn't a plausible theory?

[blahblahblahhh]

the more i think about it, the more it is starting to make sense that she has been admitted to hospital because she's not coping.

it would make sense that missy and katie would remain silent, same as her sisters. jared putting on a brave face, not mentioning how ellie is doing, and why he's not emotional over the baby/not baby. could be why the boys were with jared the other day out of the house, so they weren't wondering where mommy was. same as the vlogs... he's trying not to arouse suspicion.

think about it and tell me why this isn't a plausible theory?

I would totally agree, if it weren't for the personalities and beliefs of everyone involved. I mean, is Utah a very open and accepting environment when it comes to mental health? And Ellie and Jared (well, more Jared I think) are notorious for their "just be happy" approach to negative emotions. I just don't see E + J or anyone surrounding them to be the type to say "Wow you're really struggling mentally, I think it would be best to get some medical help.". I think Ellie would be the type that would be extremely offended by that. She's always right and there's no way her emotions and feelings could be abnormal or unhealthy, in her mind.


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[onbreak]

Matt and Em ended their vlog saying, Pray for Ellie .


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[blahblahblahhh]

Matt and Em ended their vlog saying, Pray for Ellie .


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Yikes. I don't watch them, was that literally the only thing said? And no mention of Jared? Seems fishy.


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[onbreak]

They said, ellie needed more prayers than Jared.. it was a little joke.. They seem light hearted.. like.. it could be worse.. but yet she's having a tough time and needs prayers .

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[ewokfan11]

Well, Matt said it WAS a miscarriage...even though Jared sort of skirted the issue of miscarriage. Maybe Matt only watched yesterday's vlog and hasn't spoken to Jared. I kind of think Jared wants this to ALL GO AWAY. They know they massively messed up and have to fix it...but how?

[emlyx]

Just a little bit of topic, but a friend of mine who is Mormon, sent my address to the church next to my house (we're 8 thousands miles away) and they were just here today. I was afraid to invite them over CAN U IMAGINE A BUNCH OF JARED'S in my living room. So I told them that I was just leaving, to come back next Tuesday. I feel awkward, but at the same time relief for not being judged at my own home (and on a Saturday)

[emlyx]

**off