The Murrays

[NotAnotherUserName]

I agree, it is so odd for her to be baptizing her team members. If you haven’t heard of her already you should look up Not the Good Girl on YouTube. She was in the top 1% of 3 different MLMs and finally left and now speaks out against MLMs and how damaging they are. She talks a lot about toxic positivity, and in her video about recruitment tactics she talks about how being so high up in a company can really damage a relationship with a spouse. She speaks in terms of gender roles being reversed in that the women become the breadwinners while the husbands stay home with the kids and take on the majority of the domestic responsibility when they’re not used to that. I don’t necessarily think it’s gender-specific though, I think any relationship will suffer if one is constantly working and the other is left alone with the kids and cooking, cleaning, etc all the time. How many times have we seen Danielle in stories or on YT saying “I have the best husband everrrr, shout out to Jon for watching all the kids again while I sit at this coffee shop and work with my team/go to the YL convention/go out to lunch/spoil my team at this retreat”.

She is lucky she’s gotten so high up in the company but that comes at a cost. All MLMs (not just YL) will push this narrative of being a family or a community but if any one of them struggle to sell I’m sure she’s telling them the same song and dance, you’re not working hard enough, you need to hustle more, you need to do this and that on social media, etc. If any one of them leaves I’m sure she’s not going to give them much if any of her attention anymore. After all she’s got a long line of women on her YL team waiting to be baptized by their upline.

I’m more than certain she is preying on their vulnerability, or at least she is so deep in it herself she can’t see that she was also preyed upon and she is just regurgitating what she’s being told from her own upline.

Their girls are definitely bright, but if they’re being fed conspiracy theories from their parents it will be a while before they are able to think for themselves and challenge those thoughts. I think maybe once they leave the house and get out into the real world they’ll realize what BS they’ve been fed. At least we can hope.

[howdidigetintothis]

From Jon's Instagram:



...and Danielle's:



Jon's digging in and doubling down. Of course nothing's going to happen to him or his family, and he'll feel vindicated and persecuted after all. I hate how smug he's gotten.

Meanwhile, if a girl's social media is nothing but Bible verses and inspirational quotes, that means things aren't going well.

They're still regularly uploading to Youtube and it'd probably be interesting to see how that's evolved, but I have zero desire to look at them or listen to them talk for an extended period of time. Has anyone else taken a look?

[opheliasoap]

I really used to like them.

I took a screen shot from one of his stories where he asked "what would you think if you saw him coming" he was clearly driving with kids in the back and using his phone at the same time. Shocked he could be so reckless.

[howdidigetintothis]

I really used to like them.

I took a screen shot from one of his stories where he asked "what would you think if you saw him coming" he was clearly driving with kids in the back and using his phone at the same time. Shocked he could be so reckless.

I know, me too. While I felt like they were a little misguided at times, I thought they at least had good hearts and had room to mature. I can't get past how entitled and combative they're being.

They probably ascribe to the common Christian adage that they merely live "in" the world, but aren't "of" it, except instead of dressing modestly and avoiding R-rated movies, they're doing dangerous things that can have consequences to the average person. The trouble is that they don't believe they're average people, and that they can just keep their faith in God, double down on their exclusive "secret" knowledge, and keep doing their own thing and the rules won't apply to them (and if it does, they can cry persecution). Even before the whole mask thing escalated, I think this was very evident in their cavalier approach to putting their daughters' privacy on blast; they claim to care so much about human trafficking, but allowed their very young children to roam the neighborhood alone and shared a frontal picture of their HOUSE on Instagram. They claim to be in the know, but are avoiding/ignoring some very obvious hazards that are putting themselves and others at risk.

I'm genuinely pretty worried for the Murrays, particularly since I think all of this is coming from a place of darkness. Much like the Bible verse thing, nobody gets caught up in conspiracies and alienates themselves when things are going well.

[opheliasoap]

If anything at all of these instagram parents have taught me what not to do. It's so scary to think of the dangers they that they are exposing their young children too. I may have watched too many crime documentaries, but It's all the little details that they share that do add up over time. They have no idea about all the creeps who do follow them- not everyone will be innocent.Others have shown every inch of the inside of their homes and given the times when their young daughters let themselves in after school.

[ins93]

Did they just gave their 8 year old daughter an ipod right after making a video about hou addicted they were to their iphones and social media? Makes no sense.

I honestly didn't see anything wrong with this family until I went to their instagram profiles. They live in a world of conspiracy theories and oils. And they're homeschooling their girls (teaching them about conspiracy theories and using oils to cure anything, I guess). Makes me feel sorry because their girls seem pretty smart...

[notyomama]

She's pregnant again. I seriously can't believe these people aren't picked up on more. O.O I have NO idea how they afford the life they live. my mind is blown that they keep having kids. She gets so ill the entire pregnancy WHY would you keep doing that.

[MamaBearOf2]

They won’t stop until they get a boy

[Landongmama]

Wonder if they still use Medicaid? I always wondered how they could afford private preschool, a huge house (their old house was huge and new too) and organic everything, yet still qualify for medicaid?

[opheliasoap]

They just did a pregnancy announcement for baby number 7. Not sure how generous the US system is but I think benefits do play a large part of their income.

[NotAnotherUserName]

JFC

What struck me in that video was Jon alluding to problems in their marriage that apparently “God has released” so now they’re ready for another baby. AKA a band aid baby. Interesting. I don’t see how he will manage a 7th.

[NotAnotherUserName]

She's pregnant again. I seriously can't believe these people aren't picked up on more. O.O I have NO idea how they afford the life they live. my mind is blown that they keep having kids. She gets so ill the entire pregnancy WHY would you keep doing that.

Danielle is pretty high up in Young Living, and they upload their videos to both YouTube and Facebook. They did a video last year describing everything they do to earn their income and Danielle said the majority of it comes from Facebook (probably when people send them stars or whatever). Even with the crazy self-employment tax they are probably making multiple 6-figures per year. And I think they will keep having kids until Danielle hits menopause, honestly. They said they were done having biological kids back when they were pregnant with their 4th and would adopt. They will never adopt.

[ins93]

She's pregnant again. I seriously can't believe these people aren't picked up on more. O.O I have NO idea how they afford the life they live. my mind is blown that they keep having kids. She gets so ill the entire pregnancy WHY would you keep doing that.

Danielle is pretty high up in Young Living, and they upload their videos to both YouTube and Facebook. They did a video last year describing everything they do to earn their income and Danielle said the majority of it comes from Facebook (probably when people send them stars or whatever). Even with the crazy self-employment tax they are probably making multiple 6-figures per year. And I think they will keep having kids until Danielle hits menopause, honestly. They said they were done having biological kids back when they were pregnant with their 4th and would adopt. They will never adopt.

According to her Young Living page she's a platinum member. According to Young Living, a platinum will make about 10,000 dolars a month (on average, could be more...). I think all of their income comes from YL, Danielle gets people to join from social media and youtube and then she makes money from their sales.

[ins93]

JFC

What struck me in that video was Jon alluding to problems in their marriage that apparently “God has released” so now they’re ready for another baby. AKA a band aid baby. Interesting. I don’t see how he will manage a 7th.

That never works. Having a baby adds stress and pressure to any relationship, so if you're struggling it's just a bad idea altogether but well... I'm really not surprised. They seem to get bored when their babies are one year/one and a half and move on to the next one...

[Yeticat]

Honestly I think they keep having babies for attention. They need the clicks to keep their online platforms going and to take advantage of people by drawing them into the slimy web of YoungLiving. Just waiting for the video boohooing about the fact no one was excited at her 7th pregnancy in less than 10 years. I think their marriage is on the skids but it’s never been super stable. Based on what Jon has said he wanted to stop after Jude and Danielle intentionally keeps getting pregnant despite his wishes. They live above their means and I’m pretty sure her parents have supported them in the past as did the church Jon worked for. His job was a kind of a pity job and I know the church let them use church vehicles in the past to get by. Jon’s family is very working class with lots of siblings, so I doubt the Murray’s contributed much. They have way too many kids and are anti vac so they would never be allowed to adopt.

[Broken-Minded]

They just posted on insta that they lost a baby earlier this year. That must have been awful regardless. Will they cope with seven no, but losing one must have been tough.

[ins93]

Honestly I think they keep having babies for attention. They need the clicks to keep their online platforms going and to take advantage of people by drawing them into the slimy web of YoungLiving. Just waiting for the video boohooing about the fact no one was excited at her 7th pregnancy in less than 10 years. I think their marriage is on the skids but it’s never been super stable. Based on what Jon has said he wanted to stop after Jude and Danielle intentionally keeps getting pregnant despite his wishes. They live above their means and I’m pretty sure her parents have supported them in the past as did the church Jon worked for. His job was a kind of a pity job and I know the church let them use church vehicles in the past to get by. Jon’s family is very working class with lots of siblings, so I doubt the Murray’s contributed much. They have way too many kids and are anti vac so they would never be allowed to adopt.

I don't know if it's for attention. Maybe they feel like they will have as many as God wants them to (?)... I think they started having kids really young so that's pretty much what they do. They never invested on anything else. He's not working (I think) and Danielle is doing young living but that's not really a long term career (al least most people seem to burn out and leave after a few years but then again, most of those people start thinking about certain "therapeutic" claims and realising all the lies they're telling other people when selling their oils). These two clearly believe all that nonsense so she might stay longer than usual...

[NotAnotherUserName]

According to YL’s income disclosure statement from 2018 the Platinum level earns $34,000 at the low end and an average of $118,000. I imagine it’s higher now. That plus income from FB and YT I imagine they’re doing much better than the average American family. I do know they had money problems as early as 2017 but in 2019 they were able to prove 2 years of stable income enough to get approved for a construction loan to build their new house.

As for their loss earlier this year, not trying to minimize their loss at all, but from what Danielle said she got a very very faint positive test and then got her period. She said it was a chemical pregnancy. I realize a loss is a loss and they’re all sad but if she hasn’t have taken an early test she never would have known.

At the end of the day it’s none of my business how many kids they have and I certainly think they can afford to support them all based on what I know about YT and MLM income, but I do think that they are always very overwhelmed and we already know that Jon wanted to stop many children ago. I have 4 of my own and children are a huge blessing but these two cannot handle them. Jon especially, as he is the one always taking care of all the kids solo. Once the new baby comes Danielle will lock herself up in her room all day while Jon is left with the older 6 on his own. I almost feel bad for him, but not really because they don’t have to keep getting pregnant every year or two.

[opheliasoap]

The new video with her telling one of the older girls the new baby is a belated birthday present is so cringey.

[ins93]

According to buzzfeed news, tik tok just banned content promoting MLM's. I don't know if Danielle has or had an account there but hopefully instagram, youtube and facebook will consider doing the same.