8 Passengers: Don't Cry Over Lost Footage| Part #11

[Emily81]

Any woman on this website who says they weren't an obnoxious know-it-all at 16 is a liar. I really do think people need to back off of Shari because a lot of you are just straight up bullying a teenage girl. It's honestly a bit sickening.

I don't know about you but, I definitely wasn't an obnoxious know-it-all at 16. Never was. And I know a lot of people who wasn't

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[lightasfeather]

I really hope Julie doesn't watch that vlog... Poor kid. Kevin is a clueless dad.

[shortstop]

Has Ruby made it to any of Julie’s games?? I know she’s made it to Shari’s track meets more than once.

[TheTruthCandS]

Did anyone else find Ruby’s ig story of Eve giving a speech at church whilst Kevin whispered the ‘script’ in her ear a bit creepy? It just instantly reminded me of childhood indoctrination - I highly doubt she thought of that speech herself.

I totally thought the same thing. I didn’t think that was cute at all. That wasn’t the first time we’ve seen Eve repeat a testimony that was whispered in her ear while a church that she couldn’t possibly comprehend the actual meaning of.


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Ummm, your definition of indoctrination is perplexing. Am I the only one that has experienced a child the same age as Eve. Can she read the talk herself? Hence Kevin whispering in her ear. Can she write her own talk? If I left my daughter to do this herself she would tell everyone how she knows chocolate Ice Cream is true and will save her life. I mean seriously! If this is indoctrination then everything your kids are taught at school is indoctrination and so you better take them out. Is teaching a child to pray indoctrination? Is teaching your child how to eat a bowl of cereal without spilling the milk indoctrination. Wow you guys are amazing

[Tiger27]

Did anyone else find Ruby’s ig story of Eve giving a speech at church whilst Kevin whispered the ‘script’ in her ear a bit creepy? It just instantly reminded me of childhood indoctrination - I highly doubt she thought of that speech herself.

I totally thought the same thing. I didn’t think that was cute at all. That wasn’t the first time we’ve seen Eve repeat a testimony that was whispered in her ear while a church that she couldn’t possibly comprehend the actual meaning of.


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Ummm, your definition of indoctrination is perplexing. Am I the only one that has experienced a child the same age as Eve. Can she read the talk herself? Hence Kevin whispering in her ear. Can she write her own talk? If I left my daughter to do this herself she would tell everyone how she knows chocolate Ice Cream is true and will save her life. I mean seriously! If this is indoctrination then everything your kids are taught at school is indoctrination and so you better take them out. Is teaching a child to pray indoctrination? Is teaching your child how to eat a bowl of cereal without spilling the milk indoctrination. Wow you guys are amazing

You’re missing the point. Eve was giving a talk from her point of view about how Heavenly Father spoke to her through prayer or something along those lines (the clips were too choppy to catch the whole thing). You’re telling me a 5-6 year old had that experience and came up with that talk on her own and Kevin was just there to remind her of the words? To me, it sounded like he was just feeding her lines about things she can’t really understand in order to have a cute segment at church. Having a kindergarteners memorize some bible verses to share is one thing, but she appeared to be sharing a talk/testimony using the word “I” implying it was her personal experience, yet Kevin was feeding her lines. It’s generally agreed upon here that Eve isn’t exactly advanced for her age, it’s hard to imagine she has a huge understand of what she was repeating. Sorry, some of us find that weird and concerning. I wouldn’t put my kid in a position to have to give a testimony if they had no idea what they were talking about and I was concerned they’d tell everyone chocolate ice cream is life saving. But to each their own. Comparing this to what’s taught in school school or eating cereal is a ridiculous comparison.


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[Kattiness Everdeen]

My apologies. Noted that Sunday Franke vlogs via Shari are off-limits on this thread. Are all snarky observations on the kids also off-limits (like Eve's behavior or their performance in school), or is it just the volume of comments due to Shari creating her own content that is the problem?

[lurkerthatposts]

Guess BYU doesn't have a college Quidditch team! ... Kevin came off as so ignorant in that vlog it was insane. Not sure why I sat through him shading Julie's game and.. every sport...? I don't understand at all how they can call this a daily vlog. Or why Ruby decided this was good content to post. Once again reenforcing the idea that the whole family constantly makes fun of Julie, oh and that Russel has no self-awareness at all. It honestly seems like half the time he just has no idea what everyone is saying but tries hard to be a part of the conversation, to get shut down.

[SCD222]

I saw that vlog but I thought it was about Kesley missing cheerleading tryouts at the school she wanted to go to. Maybe I missed the part about chad.

So are chad and kesley not “crushes” anymore?


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Oh, yeah. Shanna even filmed an "It Wasn't Meant to Be" vlog with her looking all maternal and supportive of Kesley in the car (as usual) in the thumbnail.

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[skrt09]

Guess BYU doesn't have a college Quidditch team! ... Kevin came off as so ignorant in that vlog it was insane. Not sure why I sat through him shading Julie's game and.. every sport...? I don't understand at all how they can call this a daily vlog. Or why Ruby decided this was good content to post. Once again reenforcing the idea that the whole family constantly makes fun of Julie, oh and that Russel has no self-awareness at all. It honestly seems like half the time he just has no idea what everyone is saying but tries hard to be a part of the conversation, to get shut down.

Kevin sounds so arrogant when he speaks. It's no mystery where Shari and Chad picked up that superiority complex from. It's apparent that Youtube has inflated Chad's ego up to the size of Jupiter, and the whole family just encourages it. I'm shocked at how much of a narcissist he has become.

[TheTruthCandS]

Guess BYU doesn't have a college Quidditch team! ... Kevin came off as so ignorant in that vlog it was insane. Not sure why I sat through him shading Julie's game and.. every sport...? I don't understand at all how they can call this a daily vlog. Or why Ruby decided this was good content to post. Once again reenforcing the idea that the whole family constantly makes fun of Julie, oh and that Russel has no self-awareness at all. It honestly seems like half the time he just has no idea what everyone is saying but tries hard to be a part of the conversation, to get shut down.

Kevin sounds so arrogant when he speaks. It's no mystery where Shari and Chad picked up that superiority complex from. It's apparent that Youtube has inflated Chad's ego up to the size of Jupiter, and the whole family just encourages it. I'm shocked at how much of a narcissist he has become.

I’m curious to know but I’m sure we never will. However I’m curious to know if that is the reason Kesley has lost interest in Chad, you can only be around that arrogant so long before drives you crazy

[HelloSweetie]

Chad and Sheri are teenagers.

We post daily on these boards criticizing everything YTers do right down to how they start to have a healthy diet, or what extracurricular activities are best to have kids in. We judge, but then Sheri and Chad are know it alls when they do the same? They live in a bubble. So do many of the posters on these boards judging by the amount of debate than can occur from shoes in the house, monogrammed clothing or basement bedrooms. For many people what they know is normal, and they judge what is different. Or is this mindset somehow ok if a YTer does it?

It’s ok for teens to have confidence and not want to hate themselves. It isn’t the duty of this board to knock these children down a peg or two by dismissing their achievements or body shaming them. Are Chad and Sheri sheltered and ignorant? Of course! So many teens are though. This doesn’t mean they are Narcissists or will even stay this way post YT. They may or may not. I seriously think we should try to focus on the parents raising the kids, and pull back from the hate on the children. It makes us all look like petty know it alls ourselves.

There are more posts on this board about Sheri and Chad than there are Ruby and Kevin lately. This could be because the overall age of the board has gotten younger, but this doesn’t change the fact that most of us are adults who should recognize that the kids are the products of their parents right now.

TL;DR.

“Ruby should take the car keys away from Sheri until she can observe proper safety” is a very different criticism from “Sheri has dwarflike proportions or she shouldn’t be proud of her spot on the track team because it’s only a few kids”... or “Chad is a Narcissist.”

That said, I’ll step off my soapbox. Carry on.




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[natalka81]

^ Thank you! I was so confused why Shari getting captain of the track team was supposed to be something to criticize. I don't like their attitudes a lot either, but I think they're largely a product of being in the youtube world in the current culture and just being teenagers. I hope things will sort themselves out, and I agree lmmomSD who said that the worst part of this is the way their adolescent behaviour is being recorded for all posterity by their parents. Ugh.

[Kattiness Everdeen]

^ Thank you! I was so confused why Shari getting captain of the track team was supposed to be something to criticize. I don't like their attitudes a lot either, but I think they're largely a product of being in the youtube world in the current culture and just being teenagers. I hope things will sort themselves out, and I agree lmmomSD who said that the worst part of this is the way their adolescent behaviour is being recorded for all posterity by their parents. Ugh.

That's the problem, it shouldn't be legal to sell a child's privacy on the internet, whether their parents do it without their consent, or they do it themselves without knowing any better. It is easy money and kids don't understand long term consequences. The reality is that they do, and here we are....

[lightasfeather]

At 16 one is definitely aware of what they are doing when they film videos of themselves and upload it to the internet. Shari isn't a little kid, she chose to have her own channel because the easy money seemed like a good enough of a benefit to forgo the negatives. Thus, she invites the criticism herself and decides it's worth it - whether or not that is right and whether or not in couple years she might regret it (but so will many other official adults who upload videos...).

Comments on her body could be mean and I would avoid those in case of adults too, for the most part one's body is a given and doesn't have as much to do with personal choices, but her attitude, manners or opinions? I don't see where that cannot be discussed. No one is sending her DMs on Instagram to correct her (at least I hope so), just writes it here. It's her choice to put that out there, if anything I would be worried about the little kids, not Shari who definitely understands what is happening.

[SCD222]

So we all know many of these youtube families shelter their kids and do not allow them to google access. Could this to limit their access to the world outside of their bubble? Like to so they don't know there's a better or different life outside of the mormon life...?

[Tiger27]

At 16 one is definitely aware of what they are doing when they film videos of themselves and upload it to the internet. Shari isn't a little kid, she chose to have her own channel because the easy money seemed like a good enough of a benefit to forgo the negatives. Thus, she invites the criticism herself and decides it's worth it - whether or not that is right and whether or not in couple years she might regret it (but so will many other official adults who upload videos...).

Comments on her body could be mean and I would avoid those in case of adults too, for the most part one's body is a given and doesn't have as much to do with personal choices, but her attitude, manners or opinions? I don't see where that cannot be discussed. No one is sending her j DMs on Instagram to correct her (at least I hope so), just writes it here. It's her choice to put that out there, if anything I would be worried about the little kids, not Shari who definitely understands what is happening.

I agree. Body shaming is one thing and is not necessary especially with minors. I think the discussions about Abby’s acne have all been fair and centered around Ruby’s poor handling of it, not shaming her for having it and Shari’s dieting was discussed because it seems unnecessary to many and unsafe to use their platform to talk about it. But Shari isn’t a little kid and she runs her own channel now and stands behind her content. She’s absolutely a product of her environment but it’s repetitive to address that every single post. She’ll be off to college in 2 years and probably married not long off after that, eventually you have to own your actions. I say it’s fair game to discuss her attitude and actions though, as it’s the subject of many of the vlogs plus all her own content that she chooses to put out there. She sits there and talks about how her favorite thing about her sibling is that they’re like her personal slave on their birthday. Sorry, she’s old enough to know better. Maybe she’s playing it up for the camera. Maybe Ruby has type cast her as the snotty older sister for the vlogs sake. We don’t know. Bround the straight up body shaming, I don’t see how snarking on all the nonsense Shari puts out is all that much different that a lot of the other crap we see on this site. I’m not saying it’s all right or wrong but there’s a lot of questionable things said here so it just seems odd to be picky and choosy about it. I’ll own it, I find her pretentious attitude incredibly irritating!


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[Kattiness Everdeen]

Chad and Sheri are teenagers.

We post daily on these boards criticizing everything YTers do right down to how they start to have a healthy diet, or what extracurricular activities are best to have kids in. We judge, but then Sheri and Chad are know it alls when they do the same? They live in a bubble. So do many of the posters on these boards judging by the amount of debate than can occur from shoes in the house, monogrammed clothing or basement bedrooms. For many people what they know is normal, and they judge what is different. Or is this mindset somehow ok if a YTer does it?

It’s ok for teens to have confidence and not want to hate themselves. It isn’t the duty of this board to knock these children down a peg or two by dismissing their achievements or body shaming them. Are Chad and Sheri sheltered and ignorant? Of course! So many teens are though. This doesn’t mean they are Narcissists or will even stay this way post YT. They may or may not. I seriously think we should try to focus on the parents raising the kids, and pull back from the hate on the children. It makes us all look like petty know it alls ourselves.

There are more posts on this board about Sheri and Chad than there are Ruby and Kevin lately. This could be because the overall age of the board has gotten younger, but this doesn’t change the fact that most of us are adults who should recognize that the kids are the products of their parents right now.

TL;DR.

“Ruby should take the car keys away from Sheri until she can observe proper safety” is a very different criticism from “Sheri has dwarflike proportions or she shouldn’t be proud of her spot on the track team because it’s only a few kids”... or “Chad is a Narcissist.”

That said, I’ll step off my soapbox. Carry on.




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I haven't seen anyone body-shame the kids. If you think Shari or people with similar proportions (e.g. dwarfism) have "shameful" bodies, that is a reflection of you and your world view. I don't, and Shari doesn't seem to either as she constantly talks about her short limbs and has even referenced dwarfism before in questioning her proportions. I haven't seen anybody say she shouldn't be proud of her position on the track team either; merely observations about how she presents herself to the public in exchange for money (i.e. her "job" as she notes in her vlog). Again, this seems to be your interpretation that colors any snarky observations as "hate".

A person's age doesn't transform a comment from snark to "hate", or the reverse. When Shari turns 18 is she fair game? 21? She will still be a product of her shelter and upbringing and I think everyone on this thread is smart enough to know that, without stating it every time an observation about a minor is concerned. Olivia Jade had her own GG as a minor and Annie LeBlanc (14) and Katie Donnelly (14) are regularly snarked on at GG as well. You should be able to comment on the ridiculous entitlement of a 13 year old requiring her family to sign in/out of her new apartment without having to keep reminding people that her parents were idiots to have given a child that age an apartment in the first place. Or how terrible her new song is and how little effort she puts into it. And people do, without incident. We all still know Annie was let down horribly by her family and forced into singing. That's discussed too.

Everyone has a different level of sensitivity though. For instance, I tend to stay away from the Gardner Quad Squad YTMD page as I am uncomfortable with people calling 3 yr old girls "ugly" and one set of twins "the heavies". That's well over my line. However, commenting on content teens sell to the public....fair game in my book. Just like criticizing a teen actor or singer. The problem is that underage "influencers" shouldn't be allowed to exist in the first place. Look at Danielle Cohen (15) faking a pregnancy for views. This is all just public content traded for money. How are we to know what is even true and authentic when there is no distinct line between private life and public persona? Laws should exist to prevent this type of child exploitation.....but they don't.

Same thing with reality television. You think nobody commented on Kylie Jenner's plastic surgery at 16, just because she was pimped out by her own mother? JoJo Siwa drives me insane, but she leaves little to criticize, because she worked her butt off building a business as a young teen and continues to present herself as a positive light and good role model. If she was running low on money and faked a pregnancy at 16 to boost views, you bet she'd pop up across gossip threads, regardless of her age. Maybe that makes you a better person than me, and I am okay with that. If the thread or the site wants to ban snark on "influencers" until their 18th birthday, I am cool with that too. The rules and limits just vary so widely. Calling a group of neglected 3 yr olds fat and ugly...COOL! Noting a 16 yr old "influencer" fabricates her own reality for money.....WOAH, OVER THE LINE! See the problem?

[lmmomSD]

I saw that vlog but I thought it was about Kesley missing cheerleading tryouts at the school she wanted to go to. Maybe I missed the part about chad.

So are chad and kesley not “crushes” anymore?


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Oh, yeah. Shanna even filmed an "It Wasn't Meant to Be" vlog with her looking all maternal and supportive of Kesley in the car (as usual) in the thumbnail.

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No, you are probably right. I assumed that was what it was about because I can't bear to watch them, and it was posted right after both Chad and Kesley posted on IG about how they're "just friends" now. I think Shanna was more upset than either Chad or Kesley. Now she can't do "my crush" vlogs.
But Chad and Kesley are definitely not each other's "crush" anymore.

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[RootBeerFloatie]

I also feel really bad for Shari, as we all should. She was never given proper attention from her parents due to the fact that they couldn't stop popping out kids, has been starved her entire life due to poverty and small portion sizes, she was probably old enough to recognize something being off with her mother during Ruby's stint with pills, she was basically surrogate mother to Eve for many years, she's had her privacy completely violated to the point that she sees nothing wrong with it, and was forced to grow up much younger than she should have. There was a time that she was bright and studious, and dreamed of moving to NYC to study law. No doubt she wanted to escape her strict, controlling mother and the duties of taking care of her toddler sister.

But Ruby has changed as their channel has grown, and she's no longer the slave driver that she was before. She's given the kids a taste of "fame" and the fun vacations and endless perks that come along with it. Imagine being a young teenager knowing that you have a million fans on the internet, and how that would feel. There are young girls who idolize Shari, and of course that's going to go to her head as she transitions from pre-teen to full blown teenager. She's always been set apart from her siblings by being the older one, and was an early source of channel content with things like period videos. She has no privacy and has been conditioned to be okay with that. Gone is the responsible girl who wanted to get away from her mother, because Ruby has molded her into "Shari, the Youtube Star."

Teenage girls are obnoxious, fickle, and self-absorbed. Maybe you weren't, and that's great. I was, my sister was, my friends were. Your daughters or your nieces will be too. And that's okay! That's part of life! That's part of finding yourself, and growing as a person, because despite the person here who said that 16 is "old enough" to know better, it's really not! 16 is still practically a baby in the grand scheme of things. Blame Ruby for putting too much pressure on Shari as a child and then doing a total 180 that I'm sure was confusing to experience. Blame Kevin for being a hands off parent. Blame youtube, blame social media, blame mormon culture, but don't try to sit back and shit all over a 16 year old excited about getting named the captain of her track team. Fuck that noise.

[lmmomSD]

I have to agree that saying that Shari might have dwarfism isn't snark or body shaming. At least, I don't find it shameful. If people said it was funny that she might have it, or said she is a freak, that would be cruel. But it's a fact that she even mentions herself. And saying that she should have accommodations to drive that ginormous van is no different than saying the other kids should wear helmets when they ride bicycles. It's a matter of safety.

I think possibly another reason she seems to think she's amazing is that she has strangers telling her that every day on social media, and attacking anyone who says anything negative (don't mean here) We saw the effect it had on Bonnie. I'm not sure she really does understand the reach of the vlogs.

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