Taina Licciardo-Toivola: All dressed in white, teeth too bright | Part 3

[lulua]

i double posted and wanted to delete this one but its not worked XD need to learn this website better!

[lulua]

It's not too bad here - Apart from the weather 95% of the time LOL. Maybe whilst travelling to the ferry port to go to Ireland they will see more places. I really like lego land personally as a theme park, thats because my best friends son loves it there, and we have taken out children there numerous occasions if we have found an online deal. It's good for younger kids up to 11 ish. Though it is an expensive day out. There are numerous places that she should have visited in the UK, as you say, the lakes, cornwall, London city centre, Snowdonia, Stone Henge. Many places that she should have considered going to. I hope that they haven't overlooked some of the more obvious places to visit. Currently she is portraying such a poor view of the countries she is visiting. But this isn't new news Taina's lack of education and planning has meant that nobody is gaining much from the trip.

Haha, and It's freezing at the moment!! How did that happen!

Thats fair about legoland, I may have been too harsh, I guess it was never my cup of tea I'm so glad you mentioned the lakes, I was born up there so I mighttt be a little biased but if you're travelling anyway you have to go! If they don't do the classic, go round London, see big ben and the eye, I'll be a little more than confused. I would have thought that'd be a view puller? Youtubers often make a thing of it, including leo and jenna? but of course we didn't see any of the rest of the family in leos vlog I think someone said?.

At least she's tarring all places with the same brush? If any new viewer watches the vlog in the country the viewers from, they'll figure it out pretty quickly.

[theoddmacabre]

For some reason, I got lost in TTs insta and forgot that they went on a similar trip back in the day, minus the commercial tourist spots. They camped in tents and cooked over a bonfire. Guess the fame's getting to mom's head

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[Ashley18032]

How can people watch a family of twelve adding Jenna thirteen and think none of them working is reasonable? I, personally, don’t pay taxes so people can throw everything they have purchased with hard workers money then go blow insane money on a useless trip. How disabled can daddy be? He can’t work for 8 hours a day but can globetrot keeping up with toddlers and support grown children so they don’t get jobs?! Whaaaaat?! This is major abuse of tax dollars! Why is NO one upset about the fact that there’s TRULY people dying of cancer who need that disability money to buy their chemo and barely have enough money to pinch by while getting treatment... WHAT THAT MONEY SHOULD BE GOING TO! Not some guy who has blurry vision to globetrot around the world while collecting disability services for himself and dependents!! Cleo is old enough to get a damn JOB! One that PAYS MONEY! Leonardo NEEDS A JOB THAT PAYS MONEY! Pretending that his tiny amount of views on vapid videos is supporting him and Jenna is a JOKE! No an INSULT to those who rely on that government given aid to SURVIVE REAL DISEASE AND DISABILITIES! As someone who has had 2 cancers and blows every PENNY on basic survival to afford medication I find this GROTESQUE ABUSE OF GOVERNMENTAL ASSISTANCE! Absolutely disgusting to see people struggle REAL hardship and see this family ABUSE assistance! How do we report fraud/theft of aid? I cannot watch you throw perfectly good things away that tax payers purchased for your family through hard work then you parading around with Botox, lip fillers, cheek fillers, tear trough fillers, Microbladed Eyebrows, Fake Veneers and buying garbage with that money that belongs to REAL disabled people! Disgusting! People are dying and you’re taking that aid to Disneyland! I hope you end up in prison! Foster care will do better by the kids anyway!


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[Lalelou123]

How can people watch a family of twelve adding Jenna thirteen and think none of them working is reasonable? I, personally, don’t pay taxes so people can throw everything they have purchased with hard workers money then go blow insane money on a useless trip. How disabled can daddy be? He can’t work for 8 hours a day but can globetrot keeping up with toddlers and support grown children so they don’t get jobs?! Whaaaaat?! This is major abuse of tax dollars! Why is NO one upset about the fact that there’s TRULY people dying of cancer who need that disability money to buy their chemo and barely have enough money to pinch by while getting treatment... WHAT THAT MONEY SHOULD BE GOING TO! Not some guy who has blurry vision to globetrot around the world while collecting disability services for himself and dependents!! Cleo is old enough to get a damn JOB! One that PAYS MONEY! Leonardo NEEDS A JOB THAT PAYS MONEY! Pretending that his tiny amount of views on vapid videos is supporting him and Jenna is a JOKE! No an INSULT to those who rely on that government given aid to SURVIVE REAL DISEASE AND DISABILITIES! As someone who has had 2 cancers and blows every PENNY on basic survival to afford medication I find this GROTESQUE ABUSE OF GOVERNMENTAL ASSISTANCE! Absolutely disgusting to see people struggle REAL hardship and see this family ABUSE assistance! How do we report fraud/theft of aid? I cannot watch you throw perfectly good things away that tax payers purchased for your family through hard work then you parading around with Botox, lip fillers, cheek fillers, tear trough fillers, Microbladed Eyebrows, Fake Veneers and buying garbage with that money that belongs to REAL disabled people! Disgusting! People are dying and you’re taking that aid to Disneyland! I hope you end up in prison! Foster care will do better by the kids anyway!


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I understand you, but I would never wish the children on foster care ever. They would be split up and traumatized and...nightmarish. I don't even want to talk about it. It's not their fault that their parents are garbage as much as I hate Taina's and Paul's lifestyle choice. It's the same in every country. In Austria prices go up so quickly, because the EU makes us pay punishment fees for being not human enough to take in all the people on the flight from Syria and so on, a lot of people here stop working because of burn out and some minor things, because it's possible. Everyone knows it and it takes a huge toll on our social system and health care. The people in the middle financial range get kind of squashed and things are weird on all angles. For example, it's good that children from low income family get school supplies, but it's not okay that they get a whole new set every year instead of just the things they need, hence the middle class children couldn't afford a new school bag every year and so on. Than there's also the EU, who tells us how nightmarish it will be for the UK to step out of it, wanting us to lower our debts, paying them even more. The EU is bad for us and good at the same time, hence it secures peace. But I would rather be not in it, despite the fact that having the balcan countries in it, protects them from being snatched by Russia, who would love to gain the power they once had. And don't start me talking about Asia and China, who dream about becoming the new US in Europe, probably going to attack us in a few years. But hey, if all of it doesn't work out, there's still the climate change.

I agree Taina and Paul went to Finland just to cash in and it worked well for them. They went they so that they could have ten children and they had a splendid life and go back to Australia now that the income is less or may the Finish social service paid them a visit and decided that the children need to go to school or that they aren't in need of the support hence of their showed wealth on youtube. Who knows?!

It's terrible that they claim to be vegan and minimalists, while they aren't. They are one of the most wasteful and unempathic bunch of people I've ever watched, but I cannot wish the youngsters any ill. Even Cleo and Jerusalem, who could make a difference, are just victims. They have a bad education, low income qualifications, are supposdly kind of isolated by their mother, raised into submission and dependency. They have no real life skills and Cleo hopes to be picked up by a shining knight in armor, walking down the hotel floors. It would be rather romantic to meet your future spouse in Disneyland, wouldn't it? Anyways, I just feel so sad for them. That's all they will ever have...I feel especially sorry for the girls. It's difficult to find a husband that's willing to live in that cult. They probably end up like Taina: Getting into an arranged marriage.

I bet that's what Taina tells Cleo. If she finds a husband of her own, she can go with him, if not, than she will find someone from their religion. She can't date, she can't go outside, she just can hope that someone sees her and fells head over heels for her beauty and is willing to give up privacy, his believes and morals, just to stay with her. And it's more difficult to find such a male, I dare say, because female are more likely to be shy and willing to do such things for acceptance. What's more, they have to different pictures of how to be as a woman versus a man. That means that Cleopatra doesn't look for a shy, formable man, rather the opposite. He should be masculine, brave and so on. A prince for a princess. Rather unrealistic to find such a person, especially one that's willing to submit to their nonsense.

[JerricaBenton]

Poor D'Artagnan! His birthday got a very quick, hardly noticeable mention in Legoland She really does NOT like the boys, does she?

I don't think she bought any of that stuff in Disney, even KJs outfit still had the security tag on when he was running about in it. It hadn't been paid for. Also, the shoes and dresses that were picked up were about 4 sizes too big for the girls. If they don't have room for more than 1 pair of impractical shoes per person, then there is no way they could store about 20 dressing up outfits plus all those accessories.

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

@Lalelou123 What sounds? As in when TT tells the woman KJ held her hand on his own? I think that's one of the few parts of the vid where there wasnt any of that goofy music playing over everything.

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Sry, deleted it. I was still watching and when the scene was shown, I got it and deleted my own comment. But you have been faster and have read it already.

To Taina: PLEASE, show KJ running around his new costume. We would love that.

That wd be lovely,but i dont think he got it,coz surely he wd have been wearing it later in the vlog?

[honeybeex]

Finland and many other EU countries have a free healthcare and welfare systems. Paid for by the tax payer, so that everyone is given the standard of care that EVERY human DESERVES. The idea behind it is, that those who grow up and get jobs will contribute and those who have aged and are no longer able to work have already contributed. I Scandinavian countries have been proven to have the best social systems and this correlates with low levels of crime, high levels of educational attainment and success.

I agree that the Licciardo Toivola's may have moved to abuse the social system, - and yes of course they did get money from the system, but generally in the grand scheme of things, often those who abuse the system are a very small proportional amount to those who rely on the system honestly and those who contribute honestly. Removing such a system causes more societal harm than good, such as poverty, high infant mortality. It also often leads to wars and civil unrest and the rise of harsh regimes. Which these types of systems were put in place to PREVENT. I hate to bring politics into this discussion but thats my opinion on it, I happen to have studied law and 2 of those modules were EU law, so i'm aware of how and why bodies like the EU were put in place, and why the treaty exists to protect all manner of rights and interests, from our European convention of human rights to fairer and better trade deals.

I agree they should have jobs, but we do not know if they are getting income from family members, youtube brand deals etc. They may have come from financially stable families who are helping them fund the trip, along with the youtube money that they are receiving. I'm sure Paul does online counselling, though i'm not aware if it is paid, and that Taina used to be a photographer. I know that these aren't highly paid professions, but may I say again we do not know the income they receive from family or other videos.

I do not dispute that some governments would see Paul as fit for work, and I agree that he can be seen to be. But we don't know every detail about their life, we can only speculate. I have an aunt with type 1 diabetes, who is seriously ill. Her condition is unmanageable, she is going blind, she may have to have a limb removed. She has at least one hypo a day, and she cannot walk far anymore. Her condition was never this bad before and she was a sixth form teacher. She had to leave her job as she was no longer fit for work and her benefits have been stopped by the government, she now relies on a minimum amount of money she saved in her private pension. Yet she has been classed as "fit for work". I am not defending Paul, because I agree he doesn't seem that bad, especially as he is travelling Europe. But what I am saying is that, we don't know enough to judge, and we can't just assume they are benefit scroungers, without knowing the full picture.

To wish those children in to care is a TERRIBLE thing to do. Children in the care system are often some of the most disadvantaged and damaged children there are. My job is in family law and often involves children going into care. It is often only in serious circumstances will a child be placed in care, and for all my critiques of Taina and Paul, they do appear to care for the children to a good enough standard. I agree that the children aren't being cared for in a manner that they should be, they don't get near enough attention, and space, their diets are questionable, and they have a lack of stability and routine in their lives now. But this is not the the extent that the government would nor should remove them from the family, and place them in care. Children in care have generally come from deprived families, families who abuse them, have addictions, who are not able to care for the children at all. They often don't understand what life is like with a real family, and despite Taina being crazy she has provided a stable and good family home for those children before the trip.

Even when taken into care children do not have the best life chances. As important as the care system is, it has its problems due to many issues, one being underfunding issues. Moreover, siblings will not be placed together in care, especially larger families, as its harder to find foster placements and adoptive parents who want and are able to care for such large families. Generally they are split up and the younger are more likely to be fostered and the older to remain in care until they are adults. I wouldn't wish this on any of those children.

I know that this trip has taken it's toll on the kids, but generally that can seen to be happy and healthy (ish - at least before the trip, nef has lost far too much weight). They are not the types of children the law would interfere and place into care. I was watching some of her older videos, and even though they are a strange bunch, they genuinely seem happy, and in the house a lot healthier. The problem is that travelling with 9 children, 4 under 5, was never going to be an easy task, and it is clear that they aren't coping well with it. Taina was calmer, more loving and caring before they began travelling and the children's well-being was certainly higher. Nef looked healthier and KJ looked happier and got more attention. They were eating balanced vegan meals, had a set routine (even if it wasn't her made up 3am, 6 hours of sleep routine) and had a big house to play an learn in. They need to consider the effects that this trip is having on the children It is definitely affecting them all, lets just hope that they realise that sooner rather than later.

I agree whilst it is not an ideal life for the children, one of isolation, almost force religion, a lack of education, enforced veganism, as long as they can prove (which in the house they could) that the children are happy, healthy enough, and are getting a basic education. Those children would be seen to be cared for correctly. I don' dispute that they are 100% not getting the right amount of care love and affection, especially on this rushed unplanned trip. But they are getting enough to prevent the law stepping in. Whilst I agree that the children are victims of their own parent ignorance, there are children who have been neglected so severely, that have been abused, and all manner of things, and have not been taken into care by authorities, their lives unimaginable, a family like the LT's would have been a dream come true, even with their faults. I am aware we only see what is on youtube and instagram, and we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but if thats all we have to judge on we shouldn't wish those children into care.

As for the arranged marriages, I think it is a shame that those children are never going to experience life properly. They do live an awfully isolated life and will eventually get married off to another fundamental Christian and live the same aimless uneducated life, that Leo and Jenna are living. Also, it is so clear that there is favouritism over the girls to the boys, i hope that in a later video D'art gets a fuss made for his birthday. That would be unfair and damn right wrong.

[Lalelou123]

@Lalelou123 What sounds? As in when TT tells the woman KJ held her hand on his own? I think that's one of the few parts of the vid where there wasnt any of that goofy music playing over everything.

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Sry, deleted it. I was still watching and when the scene was shown, I got it and deleted my own comment. But you have been faster and have read it already.

To Taina: PLEASE, show KJ running around his new costume. We would love that.

That wd be lovely,but i dont think he got it,coz surely he wd have been wearing it later in the vlog?

The terrible thing is SHE told HIM that he would be able to keep it and he asked her in his disbelieving, hopeful, tiny voice if it's true and she told im again that it is. And than he run around with it so proudly, so happy. I dare to say it's cruel and violent if she took it away after she filmed him storming around. I feel so much for that boy and the boys in particular. TT is a terrible mother and I don't know what I should say about Paul...well...he keeps up with it and he fathered those children and he moved with his wife to Finland. Even if TT raises the children and he keeps in the background, he is still the father and if he is that religious as he claims, he has the last word because the man is the head of the family. He should say something to Taina and end this nonsense of hers.

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

Sry, deleted it. I was still watching and when the scene was shown, I got it and deleted my own comment. But you have been faster and have read it already.

To Taina: PLEASE, show KJ running around his new costume. We would love that.

That wd be lovely,but i dont think he got it,coz surely he wd have been wearing it later in the vlog?

The terrible thing is SHE told HIM that he would be able to keep it and he asked her in his disbelieving, hopeful, tiny voice if it's true and she told im again that it is. And than he run around with it so proudly, so happy. I dare to say it's cruel and violent if she took it away after she filmed him storming around. I feel so much for that boy and the boys in particular. TT is a terrible mother and I don't know what I should say about Paul...well...he keeps up with it and he fathered those children and he moved with his wife to Finland. Even if TT raises the children and he keeps in the background, he is still the father and if he is that religious as he claims, he has the last word because the man is the head of the family. He should say something to Taina and end this nonsense of hers.

Good points Lou about Paul ..he appears to keep far too low a profile in the vlogs..maybe he is different in unrecorded life,and takes a more active role.
As for our dear little KJ..its so upsetting if she went back on her promise to him..
he always seems so unsure of himself doesnt he..i pray in future vlogs we' ll see him running about in his outfit again ..he was so thrilled with it wasnt he'

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

Can hardly bring myself to comment on the lego vlog..i only half watched,it seemed even more boring than ever..
pity her camera skills arent better,and her editing,since shes busy doing it while two of the kids are doing laundry and Ro seems to be looking after Om all the time now.
But no,the content 's really poor..its as if sbody instructed her to find boring stuff then film it over and over again,and she's obeyed that command perfectly!
And more screaming from the kuds,she really encourages it,im guessing bc it brings more attention to their group.
Much as i am fond of the kids i wdnt like to share a day out or holiday with them..theyre far too unruly and go totally unchecked.
Aph wriggling round on the dashboard? Smh...

[Herbert-Sherbert2019]

I think Honeybee makes v v good points on political and historical levels on social welfare issues. And thank goodness there IS a safety net for those who are unable to work because of disability,at least in some countries.
Hiwever i also totally get what Ash says on a personal level,struggling physically with health problems,and suffering financially,having to finance the meds she needs.

That must be such a worry,and seems so wrong. Thats enough to upset anybody in her situation seeing the TT shenanigans.
We dont know for definite how TT comes by the cash she spends and wastes freely on her beauty care,and for musical instruments,lavish toys,frilly frocks and tutus for the girls,' experiences ( ski ing,cruises,wintery trips etc) and on this latest extravaganza
but the saying ' easy come,easy go' comes to my mind...an English expression meaning,if you dont have to acquire -for instance money or possessions- thru yr own hard work,you are more likely to fritter it away.
And goodness knows,T knows how to fritter.
As for the older kids,L J and C..they are all young ablebodied and strong adults,who shd be seeking work at least,if not already gainfully employed and earning enough to provide for thmselves at least partially. X

[Lalelou123]

I read somewhere else that Youtube will delete tons of sub-spikes at 10th of December. If there are too many bought subs, the channel might get closed altogether. I wonder how many of TT's subs and views are earned with her own cash? If so, she might get in trouble.

[Molinello]

I have noticed on the latest vlog that the date shown on the eurotunnel ticket that is hanging down is Friday 20 September. Having travelled numerous times through the tunnel I knew where to look.

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[CeliaB]

Bit puzzled. I travel by eurostar often and you have to buy a ticket and state the size of your vehicle before you can go through border control etc so how did they only find out what it was a few minutes before? Also, they must have made a special request for the standard height car to travel in the high vehicles train immediately behind the camper van.
And really? First stop Legoland or is it just that the boring drive along the M20, M26 and M25 motorways had nothing of interest (which is quite true).? London is no place for a camper van and parking anywhere would be a nightmare but so many potentially interesting places skipped for a theme park........What next..Thorpe Park, Chessington, Alton Towers.......the other theme parks?
It gets more and more bizarre.

[Lalelou123]

I bet she visits Disney Land and Legoland to make sure to let us know that this trip is just for her children. They decide and it's all fun and just such a good idea and experience. It's so much value to the development of the kids. Really?! Taina, I get all horrified by this family, who goes on hiking trips with all their youngsters (which I consider beneficial, but still not OK, hence filmed and those children said a lot of times that they DON'T want to be filmed) and you show us a trip around Europe, seeing nothing, eating candy and pseudo native food. I just...I am at the beginning. Remember. That's what I said when this all started. It's horrendous.

[Lalelou123]

New video is up. It was heartwarming that Nefertiti and KJ were so self-sufficient. They knew when to get out, they looked for a car themselves and they were able to secure their seatbelts on their own. It's often seen in young children of large families. They need to learn rather young how to care for themselves. I hate to say it, but Legoland seems to be a better fit than Disney to be honest.

It's so funny, but Jerusalem looks so much younger without dreads. xD

And it was fun to watch them race on the fire trucks.

And they wear sweaters and got some shoes. Still chilly, but I guess Taina needs to emphasize that they are from the cold norths of Finland. Sadly it seemed to have been a rainy day and the elder didn't wear something waterproof. At least the little ones had their mud wear on.

Do you think Cleopatra straightens her hair normally? Today she had little waves and some nice curls around her face. It suited her well.

They screamed a lot of course. The rooms have been nicer than in Disneyland, but some had no windows. The rooms have been themed nicely, albeit a little too girlish, I have to say. I wonder if TT decided to make two videos out of it - one showing the girl's room and one for the boys.

Am I the only one, who finds it odd, that Cleo and Taina share a bed, whilst J and his father seem to share one two? They have two grown children - they could have easily have a room on their own or put the elder kids together in one room and the younger ones together with the parents in another. That way they surely would have had more fun. I don't get why they separate by gender.

It gets more obvious that Nef does have difficulties in expressing herself. I believe that she can't hear properly and that's the reason.

[honeybeex]

I really do think they are enjoying themselves at lego land, it caters well for younger children. That's why my friend and I take our children there, my daughter is very cautious and nervous on rides, just as I am. Yet there is always something for them to do at lego land. I'd love to take her to Disneyland but I don't know if she would enjoy the rides, and it is so much money to go, maybe when she is bigger.

I really wish taina wouldn't make whole videos out of her room tours, i find them very boring. Though it was lovely to see the girls so excited about the bunkbeds and the decor of the room. I hope the boys get an equal amount of attention in their own video.

I think though a little strange that taina and cleo share a bed, its not out of the ordinary. I think they probably like that there is a parent and an older child with each group of children to help out. I think its odd to separate by gender, but it might just be when they are in the hotels, its good for the boys and girls to have their own space rather than all of them together in that tiny van. But I do find it odd that Taina and Paul literally spend NO time together.

I agree Nef does have some developmental issues, that should be looked into,I wish Taina would notice and get these checked out. Or perhaps she already knows, and maybe she is babied and favoured because she needs the extra attention just to progress more. Though that is by no means a reason not to give the boys attention.

[shiruvii]

Hi, sorry I am new and still on the second thread, but started to wonder... Is there any way we can report T's behaviour and how she treats youngest children to some Finnidh authorities? All is recorded - threatening Nef, the eye, rotten teeth. I believe in Finland they have quite strict law when it comes to children. Have you tried?
Again apologies if I missed anything.
Cheers!

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[CoffeeaddictMac]

Did anybody see T Instagram stories? Have of them is people saying happy birthday messages but She posted some vids of them squished in the van. Eating and drinking. At one point she gets the kids to move KJ cause she wanted to film Omega. Poor kid gets pushed away.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/tain ... dotoivola/