DailyStagedAndConfused (Part 90)

[Shorty02]

It's kind of sad that Bryan asked Missy to start the vlog when the flowers came. Can't you just do something nice for your wife without vlogging it??


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[fossilfinger]

It's kind of sad that Bryan asked Missy to start the vlog when the flowers came. Can't you just do something nice for your wife without vlogging it??

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No, you have it backwards. He ONLY does these things for the vlog.

[Shorty02]

It's kind of sad that Bryan asked Missy to start the vlog when the flowers came. Can't you just do something nice for your wife without vlogging it??

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No, you have it backwards. He ONLY does these things for the vlog.

Oh I know, that's what I meant when I said that. I actually felt bad for Missy when she said "I should have known." I can't tell if that bothered her, but it would bother the hell out of me.


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[tintin15]

I wonder how painful it is for Bryan to have a wife who doesn't care about him and for Missy to have a husband who only does nice things for the vlogs.

[Theirmom]

I want to preface that I don't watch B+M very often, and this is off-topic, but one of my favorite Youtubers attended the family vlogger panel that they and a few others were in and made a response video to some of the things she noticed. Needless to say, I think she hit the nail on the head, and a lot of what she says doesn't just apply to B+M but to pretty much every Youtube family on these forums. Here's the link if anyone's interested:

This was buried in the argument earlier and I find it fascinating because she not only feels family vlogging is tired (like many of us have said), but she picks up on how fake it is, and how boring and desperate YTers are.

I skimmed through her channel, and, for someone who makes money on YouTube with a moderate following, she sure does have a bad attitude towards youtubers. She comes off as a sardonic, patronizing thundertwat. Every single video I clicked on was her being a judgemental shrew about people on the internet. Even many of her thumbnails are her mid-eye roll.
Sorry, but I can't stand people who act like they're above their platform. It's like actors who snootily say "oh, I don't even OWN a tv".

Besides which, she didn't even have any specific criticisms about the family vlogging panel other than that it was boring and that she didn't get it. No new "tea" to spill, or some behind the scenes drama. Just her saying family stuff is boring for her. Which is fine. I find a gaming cat lady who live streams boring, but I'm not going to sit here and question her place on YouTube.

[HelloSweetie]

It's kind of sad that Bryan asked Missy to start the vlog when the flowers came. Can't you just do something nice for your wife without vlogging it??

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No, you have it backwards. He ONLY does these things for the vlog.

I hate to defend Bryan, but at least he's thing to find content. Missy took Ollie to his doctor's appointment and didn't exactly vlog it. She knew they had a meeting and hag Mimi and Papa would watch the boys, and then she wasn't doing anything. If he hadn't told her to vlog the flowers, and ordered those stupid unicorn masks they wouldn't have had anything to actually show. Missy ends the vlog basically saying they had a fun day, but they just didn't vlog it. Bryan may set things up, but at least he's aware that the vlogs are happening.

My other thoughts from the vlog...

Missy is so tired lately... wtf? What does she do all day?

And why was Bryan questioning why he never buys Missy flowers? She said on an old vlog that she HATES them. That's why Bry.

I can't believe they leave the door open so Ollie can just wander inside and outside like that. Their yard is far too big for him to be outside without them knowing. They should at least know where he is, which it didn't seem like when he was outside getting the snail.

Luna was definitely only in the play room because they wanted to see her reaction to the mask. She was chewing on the toys in there, and I can't see Missy letting her have free range to go ruin their things. I think that's instance where she should actually be confined to a different area, or better yet, watched!

[tintin15]

It's kind of sad that Bryan asked Missy to start the vlog when the flowers came. Can't you just do something nice for your wife without vlogging it??

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No, you have it backwards. He ONLY does these things for the vlog.

I hate to defend Bryan, but at least he's thing to find content. Missy took Ollie to his doctor's appointment and didn't exactly vlog it. She knew they had a meeting and hag Mimi and Papa would watch the boys, and then she wasn't doing anything. If he hadn't told her to vlog the flowers, and ordered those stupid unicorn masks they wouldn't have had anything to actually show. Missy ends the vlog basically saying they had a fun day, but they just didn't vlog it. Bryan may set things up, but at least he's aware that the vlogs are happening.

My other thoughts from the vlog...

Missy is so tired lately... wtf? What does she do all day?

And why was Bryan questioning why he never buys Missy flowers? She said on an old vlog that she HATES them. That's why Bry.

I can't believe they leave the door open so Ollie can just wander inside and outside like that. Their yard is far too big for him to be outside without them knowing. They should at least know where he is, which it didn't seem like when he was outside getting the snail.

Luna was definitely only in the play room because they wanted to see her reaction to the mask. She was chewing on the toys in there, and I can't see Missy letting her have free range to go ruin their things. I think that's instance where she should actually be confined to a different area, or better yet, watched!

I think Missy's getting sick of vlogging. I can't blame her. I can't imagine having to pick up a camera and film EVERY time I do ANYTHING remotely interesting. I was watching old vlogs and she was so happy and giddy, she's nothing like that now, probably because she's burnt out lol.

I'm glad that Bryan is still trying to get footage, but if he's not careful, they're going to go down the BFvsGF track..."we're breaking up bc we were only doing things for each other for the vlog". Though B&M are for sure never going to reveal anything, even if they're sleeping in separate beds and sleeping with other people lmao. Bryan can't give up the fame and Missy can't give up the money.

Also, Missy eats cookies all day. That's why she's tired

[Playsinrain]

So I guess the kids that do have behavioural problems must come from different socioeconomic backgrounds then? Because APPARENTLY it has nothing to do with parents that refuse to establish rules.

I teach my kids to be kind, gentle and not hit. It pisses me off when we run into kids that haven't learned the same and make my child uncomfortable. He playground is super fun when you have a child run up and push your kid, or try to make friends by hitting them. Nice icebreaker, right?

Make excuses all you want for your own child if you think that's normal, but the parents of the children that aren't allowed to do things like hit, spit and run around in restaurants are totally noticing and judging you.... the kids themselves are too. It's not Ollie's actions that have is critical of his social prospects, but the more telling laughter of his parents when he does make these social faux pas. In his world, they aren't dysfunctional at all.

I want to like this a million times. There are so many behaviors with Ollie that are disturbing and would make me not allow my child to play with him. A 4 year old pretending to chop an adult's head off, and thinks it's fun to pretend to kill and hurt people is NOT NORMAL. It's not behavior they should allow and encourage which is exactly what they do. Ollie would be miserable at my house bc 90% of the behavior he exhibits on a daily basis would have him disciplined in a heartbeat. He's violent, mean spirited and disrespectful. I hope school does his a world of good, but he's going in with the deck stacked against him bc his parents are failures. It's not his fault hes a terror, it's 100% the fault of the lack of parenting he gets. But he IS a terror and will have some hard lessons to learn at school and i worry he will be an outcast bc kids don't want to play with a child that hits, spits and screams at them all the time.

[lmmomSD]

And not only hits and spits, but gets approval for it. By approval, I mean they laugh. To a kid his age , that's approval. So he's going to have a rude awakening when he gets to school. I really hope he thrives. I do. He's a child, and I have nothing against _him_. I do have a problem with his parents failing him and getting called #parentinggoals.

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[KaterTot]

I don't know why it "bugs" me so much that they keep telling Ollie that big black beetle is a Cicada. They look nothing alike. Cicada have wings. I guess it's just that they are such internet savvy people yet they can't google something, they had rather just teach their kids wrong information (and English)

[Playsinrain]

And not only hits and spits, but gets approval for it. By approval, I mean they laugh. To a kid his age , that's approval. So he's going to have a rude awakening when he gets to school. I really hope he thrives. I do. He's a child, and I have nothing against _him_. I do have a problem with his parents failing him and getting called #parentinggoals.

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Exactly!!!!! They laugh and think its cute, he never has to apologize, he never gets in trouble for these things, they think its cute. They encourage him to bully people (the whole "you can tell them they talk funny" before the London trip). When they TRY and correct him (on camera at least) he does something that they think is funny or cute in the middle of it and start laughing. That's not correcting that's approval, just like you said. I don't fault him for not knowing wrong from right, you can't figure that out at 4 years old without someone guiding him. I really truly hope that school helps him. But i don't have high hopes bc we all know how missy is, she will switch schools until they find one that will allow him to whatever he wants or will home school him. The boy needs school, he needs rules, he need repercussions for his horrible behavior, but I'm really worried it will never happen and his parents won't allow him to get his feelings hurt when he does wrong and is punished for it.

[lmmomSD]

Missy has an IG story with Ollie crashed out, and Finn is pulling on his hands and crying, and Ollie is just lying there like he's in a coma. And she captioned it "When your best friend is sleeping, and you just want him to wake up and play". Number one, they are not "best friends", at least, not as far as Ollie is concerned. Second, it is NOT normal for a child to sleep through his brother pulling on his arm and crying like that. Are they slipping him Benadryl? Is he on seizure meds and they don't want us to know? Why do they think it's so "cute" that their kid can sleep through cannon fire, and falls asleep everywhere?

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[Playsinrain]

I don't know why it "bugs" me so much that they keep telling Ollie that big black beetle is a Cicada. They look nothing alike. Cicada have wings. I guess it's just that they are such internet savvy people yet they can't google something, they had rather just teach their kids wrong information (and English)

I said it last time, they are idiots. It bugs the hell out of me too. If i find an interesting bug and i'm not sure what it is, i pull out my phone and google it, they cant even do that. Dumbasses.. (Sorry i'm in a hell of a mood today.. lol)

[Playsinrain]

Missy has an IG story with Ollie crashed out, and Finn is pulling on his hands and crying, and Ollie is just lying there like he's in a coma. And she captioned it "When your best friend is sleeping, and you just want him to wake up and play". Number one, they are not "best friends", at least, not as far as Ollie is concerned. Second, it is NOT normal for a child to sleep through his brother pulling on his arm and crying like that. Are they slipping him Benadryl? Is he on seizure meds and they don't want us to know? Why do they think it's so "cute" that their kid can sleep through cannon fire, and falls asleep everywhere?

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I totally think they medicate that child. Either they do it with benadryl or its something prescribed, but it's NOT NORMAL even for a child that sleeps heavy. My son was a SUPER heavy sleeper, but he never ever acted like that.

[kittypurry]

Missy has an IG story with Ollie crashed out, and Finn is pulling on his hands and crying, and Ollie is just lying there like he's in a coma. And she captioned it "When your best friend is sleeping, and you just want him to wake up and play". Number one, they are not "best friends", at least, not as far as Ollie is concerned. Second, it is NOT normal for a child to sleep through his brother pulling on his arm and crying like that. Are they slipping him Benadryl? Is he on seizure meds and they don't want us to know? Why do they think it's so "cute" that their kid can sleep through cannon fire, and falls asleep everywhere?

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Finn looks so worried about him lol, even he knows that ain't normal


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[KaterTot]

I didn't see it mentioned but it was telling when Missy posted the Instagram pic with Ollie at the doctor with the sword saying something to the effect of taking it in case somebody tries to hurt him.
Way to teach your kid. A Doctor does their job, whack him with a sword. Threaten violence on anyone that does things you don't like, heck kid, just have it in hand all the time and inappropriately whack guests, parents, your brother, the dog, whatever. Just remember, everyone is out to hurt you, whack em.

[Ducklings4]

Missy has an IG story with Ollie crashed out, and Finn is pulling on his hands and crying, and Ollie is just lying there like he's in a coma. And she captioned it "When your best friend is sleeping, and you just want him to wake up and play". Number one, they are not "best friends", at least, not as far as Ollie is concerned. Second, it is NOT normal for a child to sleep through his brother pulling on his arm and crying like that. Are they slipping him Benadryl? Is he on seizure meds and they don't want us to know? Why do they think it's so "cute" that their kid can sleep through cannon fire, and falls asleep everywhere?

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At least Finn is concerned about Ollie's sleeping.


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[Playsinrain]

I didn't see it mentioned but it was telling when Missy posted the Instagram pic with Ollie at the doctor with the sword saying something to the effect of taking it in case somebody tries to hurt him.
Way to teach your kid. A Doctor does their job, whack him with a sword. Threaten violence on anyone that does things you don't like, heck kid, just have it in hand all the time and inappropriately whack guests, parents, your brother, the dog, whatever. Just remember, everyone is out to hurt you, whack em.

What wonderful parenting. But the bad thing is, he already does that... he hits the dogs, his parents, other kids, guests.... they are just reenforcing what he already does everyday.

[lurkernomore]

And not only hits and spits, but gets approval for it. By approval, I mean they laugh. To a kid his age , that's approval. So he's going to have a rude awakening when he gets to school. I really hope he thrives. I do. He's a child, and I have nothing against _him_. I do have a problem with his parents failing him and getting called #parentinggoals.

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Exactly!!!!! They laugh and think its cute, he never has to apologize, he never gets in trouble for these things, they think its cute. They encourage him to bully people (the whole "you can tell them they talk funny" before the London trip). When they TRY and correct him (on camera at least) he does something that they think is funny or cute in the middle of it and start laughing. That's not correcting that's approval, just like you said. I don't fault him for not knowing wrong from right, you can't figure that out at 4 years old without someone guiding him. I really truly hope that school helps him. But i don't have high hopes bc we all know how missy is, she will switch schools until they find one that will allow him to whatever he wants or will home school him. The boy needs school, he needs rules, he need repercussions for his horrible behavior, but I'm really worried it will never happen and his parents won't allow him to get his feelings hurt when he does wrong and is punished for it.

Yup. And for the people who are eager to excuse this sort of behavior -- when you spit at/on someone as an adult, you can be charged with criminal assault. Spitting doesn't spill any blood or break any bones, but it is an inherently violent thing to do (the same as hate speech is inherently violent). Violence is a word that has acquired symbolic meaning -- intensity, ferocity, fury -- that goes beyond physical harm. There is indeed a level of violence to Ollie's conduct. That does not mean the boy himself is violent -- but it is a more than adequate description of his behavior (extending to his obsession with guns/swords).

A larger issue is that the entire family has major issues with boundaries (ex. Jim trying to drop that stupid shocking ball down Cassie's shirt; the constant directives to "give so-and-so a hug/kiss"; filming/broadcasting a child's super vulnerable moments; the fact that they are really a 4 parent family when you consider the oversized role Mimi and Papa play). I am sincerely worried that these boys will grow up with NO autonomy and that they will learn (via Bryan & Missy) to dismiss all criticism as "haters."

I teach high school -- mostly 9th grade -- and I can tell you right away which of my students had parents who learned to deal effectively with temper tantrums and minor injuries. I can also see which of my students had parents who just didn't deal -- they will be the first to pop off at the slightest hint of disapproval. Ollie reminds me of the latter; the big difference is that unlike the students I serve, Ollie's parents have the financial means to continue aiding and abetting this kind of behavior. School will either be a very necessary opportunity for rules and routine, or his parents will write off anyone who attempts to direct Ollie as a hater and buy their way in to different private schools. Do any of you remember the affluenza kid from a couple of years ago? Mark my words, that will be Oliver (and maybe even little Finley) in 12-16 years.

[Playsinrain]

And not only hits and spits, but gets approval for it. By approval, I mean they laugh. To a kid his age , that's approval. So he's going to have a rude awakening when he gets to school. I really hope he thrives. I do. He's a child, and I have nothing against _him_. I do have a problem with his parents failing him and getting called #parentinggoals.

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Exactly!!!!! They laugh and think its cute, he never has to apologize, he never gets in trouble for these things, they think its cute. They encourage him to bully people (the whole "you can tell them they talk funny" before the London trip). When they TRY and correct him (on camera at least) he does something that they think is funny or cute in the middle of it and start laughing. That's not correcting that's approval, just like you said. I don't fault him for not knowing wrong from right, you can't figure that out at 4 years old without someone guiding him. I really truly hope that school helps him. But i don't have high hopes bc we all know how missy is, she will switch schools until they find one that will allow him to whatever he wants or will home school him. The boy needs school, he needs rules, he need repercussions for his horrible behavior, but I'm really worried it will never happen and his parents won't allow him to get his feelings hurt when he does wrong and is punished for it.

Yup. And for the people who are eager to excuse this sort of behavior -- when you spit at/on someone as an adult, you can be charged with criminal assault. Spitting doesn't spill any blood or break any bones, but it is an inherently violent thing to do (the same as hate speech is inherently violent). Violence is a word that has acquired symbolic meaning -- intensity, ferocity, fury -- that goes beyond physical harm. There is indeed a level of violence to Ollie's conduct. That does not mean the boy himself is violent -- but it is a more than adequate description of his behavior (extending to his obsession with guns/swords).

A larger issue is that the entire family has major issues with boundaries (ex. Jim trying to drop that stupid shocking ball down Cassie's shirt; the constant directives to "give so-and-so a hug/kiss"; filming/broadcasting a child's super vulnerable moments; the fact that they are really a 4 parent family when you consider the oversized role Mimi and Papa play). I am sincerely worried that these boys will grow up with NO autonomy and that they will learn (via Bryan & Missy) to dismiss all criticism as "haters."

I teach high school -- mostly 9th grade -- and I can tell you right away which of my students had parents who learned to deal effectively with temper tantrums and minor injuries. I can also see which of my students had parents who just didn't deal -- they will be the first to pop off at the slightest hint of disapproval. Ollie reminds me of the latter; the big difference is that unlike the students I serve, Ollie's parents have the financial means to continue aiding and abetting this kind of behavior. School will either be a very necessary opportunity for rules and routine, or his parents will write off anyone who attempts to direct Ollie as a hater and buy their way in to different private schools. Do any of you remember the affluenza kid from a couple of years ago? Mark my words, that will be Oliver (and maybe even little Finley) in 12-16 years.

I completely agree with you. It was said by someone before that Ollie wasn't violent Bc he has never hurt anyone. First off we don't know and will never know if he has hurt anyone or not Bc they will never show it or address it. Just like Finn's head injuries, we don't know how it happened Bc they didn't address it or make it the focus of a vlog (like they do with Ollie's injuries), but since any injuries often become blog fodder (if it was an accident that they deem not their fault or Ollie's) it's safe to speculate that It was either Ollie or unsupervison thaf caused it. Just Bc a 4 year old doesn't physically hurt you when he punches, kicks, slaps, spits on your or whacks you with a sword does NOT mean it's not violent behavior. Like you said, spitting is violent, see what happens if you spit on a police officer... words are even violent, like you say. Violent is a word to describe actions and words, and weather they inflict physical harm or not, it's still considered violent.
You are right about the affluent teen comparison. I'm not saying he willl for sure turn out that way, but if he continues to do the things he does now without consequence and his parents always blaming others, he will for sure be at risk to be in the same position. His parents have a chance to change him, but they don't seem interested.