DailyNightmaresBeforeChristmas Part #98

[Playsinrain]

To contribute to the Missy, Nancy topic... I have thoughts lol

So, I totally support anyone who chooses to cut people out of their lives. Everyone has their own reasons, which may or may not be valid. Maybe the reason Missy doesn’t like Nancy has nothing to do with Bryan. Maybe they had blowout once, and Missy never got over it. Or maybe Nancy never approved. Or maybe Missy is just stuck up.
But.
If Missy is estranged from Bryan’s family, for whatever reason, she’s just not doing it right.
If she’s out, she needs to be entirely out. She needs to not be around them.
It’s one thing to make a choice to cut someone out of your life. It’s another thing entirely to be a passive aggressive asshole to people.

Personal: After nearly 20 years of my in laws treating me like shit, I’ve finally cut them out of my life this year. I will never see them again. They are not EVER welcome in my home. My husband is free to have whatever relationship with them that he chooses, but not in my home. And I allow them to have a supervised relationship with my children, but only as long as they never attempt to alienate them from me again (they shit talked me to my children, hence the cut off). If they try to turn my kids against me, they’ll have to wait until they’re adults to see them.
But, unlike Missy, I don’t treat them badly. I’m not passive aggressive, I’m not rude, and I don’t (currently) interfere with their relationship with my husband/kids. I just don’t see them.
If she can’t be polite, she needs to not see Nancy, period. And she needs to step completely away from whatever relationship Bryan has with his family.

She needs to be mature and take the high road.


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Agreed, there are mature ways to cut someone out of your life and Missy is NOT doing that. Either you are in or you are out, but you don't get to be an asshole to them when they are around if you don't want to take the steps to cut them out of your life. Sad thing is, i'm sure there is some shady behavior towards Bryan's family that doesn't make it into the vlogs. I say it in a lot of situations, but it rings true. If the interactions we see between Missy and Bryan's family members is the BEST footage he has of them, i couldn't stomach seeing the rest. It's just a shame that Bev and Nancy don't get to have the relationship they deserve to have with those boys. Missy doesn't want them around? Ok then Bryan pack those boys up and take them to Idaho to see their Grandmother and Aunt. Missy may have every excuse in the book to keep them away from her house, but there is no excuse as to why Bryan shouldnt be able to take his kids to see his mom and sister, unless Missy is putting her foot down and not having it. Like you said, unless she is turning those kids against their mother, there is no reason in keeping them from having a relationship with them. If Bryan has no issue with his family, then its nothing but Missy being a passive aggressive bitch thats keeping him from going to visit.

[FakingIt_MakingIt]

Do we know that Bryan has no issue with his mom though? From what he's shared his childhood wasn't great due to his moms choices. Maybe he's more then fine with her showing up for a meal every six months. Maybe he's fine with his boys not being around her.
I agree, missy is a cow. But missy is a cow to anyone who isn't her parents and siblings.

[usernamessuck]

I think Bryan has a good relationship with his mom because he always seems happier and more perky when she's around.
A genuine happiness....not some fake excitement like on those DBEJCK vacys.....

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[Playsinrain]

Do we know that Bryan has no issue with his mom though? From what he's shared his childhood wasn't great due to his moms choices. Maybe he's more then fine with her showing up for a meal every six months. Maybe he's fine with his boys not being around her.
I agree, missy is a cow. But missy is a cow to anyone who isn't her parents and siblings.

Maybe he does, which is fine. I think the difference is Bryan acts like there is no bad blood between them at all on the vlog (which is great and mature of him IF he does have issues with her.) but yet Missy acts like a HUGE bitch to them on camera. So either she is like that 24/7 with them or she just chooses to act that way when Bryan pulls out the camera. neither of which are ok. I'm not saying that just bc he acts like they are fine means they are on great terms, but if they do have a strained relationship, he needs to teach Missy how to act towards people she doesn't care for, bc he handles it a million times better than she does.

[FakingIt_MakingIt]

I think Bryan has a good relationship with his mom because he always seems happier and more perky when she's around.
A genuine happiness....not some fake excitement like on those DBEJCK vacys.....

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True. But there's a difference between being happy to see your mom and wanting to be around her as much as they are Missy's family.
My husbands mom sucks. His childhood sucked. She makes and has made poor choices. He's happy to see her but he's also happy to see her go home. We see here 2-3 times a year and while it's usually ok while she's here he wouldn't want to see her anymore then that. We don't go visit her. Ever.

[FakingIt_MakingIt]

Do we know that Bryan has no issue with his mom though? From what he's shared his childhood wasn't great due to his moms choices. Maybe he's more then fine with her showing up for a meal every six months. Maybe he's fine with his boys not being around her.
I agree, missy is a cow. But missy is a cow to anyone who isn't her parents and siblings.

Maybe he does, which is fine. I think the difference is Bryan acts like there is no bad blood between them at all on the vlog (which is great and mature of him IF he does have issues with her.) but yet Missy acts like a HUGE bitch to them on camera. So either she is like that 24/7 with them or she just chooses to act that way when Bryan pulls out the camera. neither of which are ok. I'm not saying that just bc he acts like they are fine means they are on great terms, but if they do have a strained relationship, he needs to teach Missy how to act towards people she doesn't care for, bc he handles it a million times better than she does.

Oh I agree, but when has missy ever acted nice towards someone who wasn't her parents, siblings, or people they pay to be friends? I think in general missy isn't a very friendly and welcoming person.

[usernamessuck]

I think Bryan has a good relationship with his mom because he always seems happier and more perky when she's around.
A genuine happiness....not some fake excitement like on those DBEJCK vacys.....

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True. But there's a difference between being happy to see your mom and wanting to be around her as much as they are Missy's family.
My husbands mom sucks. His childhood sucked. She makes and has made poor choices. He's happy to see her but he's also happy to see her go home. We see here 2-3 times a year and while it's usually ok while she's here he wouldn't want to see her anymore then that. We don't go visit her. Ever.

I get that and I know we got off the topic of Bryan having depression, but the behavior I see from Bryan when his mom is around is a lot like my behavior when my mom comes to see me. Depression is a very lonely disease, and I don't think Missy is all the supportive. Mimi and Poppa are Missy's cheerleaders, and I imagine that Bryan is happy when his mom is around because it feels like at least one person in the world gives a shit about him. He seems to do more stuff and be involved when his mom is around, and I genuinely find him more enjoyable on the vlogs.

That's a lot of analyzation on a person I have never met....

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[Theirmom]

What an obnoxious and boring vlog.
Are there any family vloggers anymore that aren’t overgrown children?

I miss boring adult things. I want to watch parents raising a family. Not spoiled kids and childish parents playing with toys.


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[HelloSweetie]

Do we know that Bryan has no issue with his mom though? From what he's shared his childhood wasn't great due to his moms choices. Maybe he's more then fine with her showing up for a meal every six months. Maybe he's fine with his boys not being around her.
I agree, missy is a cow. But missy is a cow to anyone who isn't her parents and siblings.

When Bryan wore in Still Standing he spoke highly of his mom. He also looks incredibly close to her and genuinely happy in her FB pics (so does Ollie). We have never seen awkward or strained body language from Bryan whole with his mom or sister in vlogs, and wouldn't it be weird for Jared to have surprised Bryan with his mom during his birthday that one year?

Missy is just a bitch with a cult mentality. No one from Bryan'a life is allowed in. He's alienated from his aunts, his sister, and she had never even said a kind word about his Gram, someone who meant the world to him.

Why are people in this board always so quick to excuse Missy's behaviour? Why are we so sure it isn't that she really is just that spoiled and mean?

[menehune]

I think Bryan has a good relationship with his mom because he always seems happier and more perky when she's around.
A genuine happiness....not some fake excitement like on those DBEJCK vacys.....

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But


True. But there's a difference between being happy to see your mom and wanting to be around her as much as they are Missy's family.
My husbands mom sucks. His childhood sucked. She makes and has made poor choices. He's happy to see her but he's also happy to see her go home. We see here 2-3 times a year and while it's usually ok while she's here he wouldn't want to see her anymore then that. We don't go visit her. Ever.

I think you're projecting. Actually, I think a lot of the excuses for Missy's behaviour (depression, possible ADHD, alienating in laws, etc) comes from people projecting and getting defensive about their own behaviour. We have seen/heard nothing from Bryan to indicate he has a problem with his mother. He has said his childhood was a happy one and Nancy "did the best she could as a single mom." These are Bryan's own words back in 2012. Bryan moved to be with Missy in California. Was Nancy supposed to follow them there? Have they ever invited her to stay with them, or has Missy even been warm enough for Nancy and Bev to feel comfortable enough visiting? Does his Aunt Bev (and cousins) ever get invited to family get togethers?

I think Missy is a controlling and emotionally abusive spouse. It fits the MO that she would isolate him and alienate him from his family. Like someone said the other day, we wouldn't be so quick to excuse the situation if Bryan were a woman and Missy was the controlling and dismissive husband.

[lmmomSD]

Missy be mature and take the high road? In what universe?

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[menehune]

Plus if we are to believe Bryan's song, wasn't it Missy that left him? She also has no problem saying he was "a beast" before she came along and laughing about it. She's dismissive to him no matter how hard he tries to be nice and romantic, and barely seems to like him most days, let alone love him. What mother is going to like that? I've seen nothing from Nancy but her trying to be nice to Missy. If the Hollisters had any manners at all they would give Bryan space when his mother is over and not interfere. There is no reason for them to be there all the time. It's 100% a control thing and all about establishing and protecting their turf.

Those wanting to defend Missy... stop looking at it and thinking of Nancy as your Mother In Law for a moment and instead think of Suzanne. You invite your mother (who lives out of town) for a visit and the whole entire time your husbands parents are there just hanging out and clothing around. Wouldn't that be annoying and intrusive? Is Oliver not allowed to get to know his other grandma without Mimi around overshadowing her?

[Playsinrain]

I’m replying to several posts in this one post.

So I agree 10000% we should stop making excuses for missy’s shitty behavior. Idgaf how much of a bitch your MIL is, your husband has the right to have a relationship with his family. Missy keeping Bryan away from his family and saying he better not dare ask to roadtrip to Idaho? Wtf is that?! ABUSE, that’s what it is. People give her a pass because she’s a woman, and people tend to not accept that women can also be abusers. Missy is a POS wife, i don’t care what Nancy did to her, I don’t care if Bryan cheated on her, she chooses to be in this relationship she needs to get over her bullshit and stop keeping Bryan away from his family. I’m pretty sure we never see him going to visit his mom on his own because missy’s controlling ass won’t let him. Just imagine the fit she’d throw if he were gone....

Bryan annoys tf out of me but i support him 100% on this.

If the tables were turned everyone would be talking about how abusive Bryan was. Missy is a stone cold BITCH to Bryan and his entire family and has been for some time.

[lmmomSD]

What an obnoxious and boring vlog.
Are there any family vloggers anymore that aren’t overgrown children?

I miss boring adult things. I want to watch parents raising a family. Not spoiled kids and childish parents playing with toys.


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Check out Knorpp and South. You know how much I hate most vloggers. They're an LDS family, with four boys of their own, and they adopted 5 Chinese kids, one a little girl with Down Syndrome. They travel all over. They're in Ireland now I think. They're real, and the kids drive the mom crazy, and they make education a priority.

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[Playsinrain]

It's getting to the point where Ollie sounds scripted ALL the time. It used to be where you could tell when he was parroting lines and when he wasn't, now i can't decipher between the two and not in a good way. Feeding him lines 99% of the time is having a negative impact on his already stilted speech. I feel like even if they did get him seen by a speech therapist they would undo everything he learned by sticking that damn camera in his face. Also, i wonder if Ollie has already developed his "on" character like his father has.

[alienmellow2]

Awhhhh sad day. Bryan blocked me on Instagram, you guys ;-; guess I’ll go and cry myself to sleep now!

[twinklepink88]

Robin Williams struggled with mental illness for years while being successful and no one knew until the day he died. It is exhausting to know that you are different and to create a mask that you aren't for those around you. It is secretive... and shameful. I can't believe this is being dismissed based on a psychology course someone took years ago, when there are those of us suffering from anxiety and depression posting saying it's absolutely possible for Bryan to be high functioning because we too are. And no, the fact that he uploads daily videos is evidence of nothing because one of the posters here arguing in his defence too has a YT channel and uploads daily.

Anxiety is constant worry even when there is no cause to worry. A feeling of being overwhelmed, sometimes about the most mundane of tasks. My 10 yo had a panic attack last night and had no idea why. It is a hard thing to handle, and I absolutely see signs of it in Bryan. Many people have high functioning depression and are able to go about caring for their children, working, etc but have an inability to enjoy it. This carries a similar shame and insecurity as anxiety, especially because the person is usually aware of it.

If Bryan struggles even time to time with mental illness then I feel bad for him and it isn't my place to judge. He isn't wrong about having a ton of pressure to support everyone, and it's only natural (and responsible) to feel that. Missy's family took Bryan in as one of their own and he's desperate to please them so it can stay that way. Changing his name to Hollister when they first moved to California is a pretty good indicator that he felt desperate to be one of them. Losing Missy's family just isn't an option, so if that love is conditional on keeping Missy and her family well supported then failure isn't an option.

I know the subject has mostly changed now, so this is the last I'll say about it, but I am NOT dismissing Bryan's claim that he suffers from mental illness based on a Uni course I took years ago. I realise that people can suffer from mental illness and can hide it from onlookers. Most of these people do not vlog themselves every day for 5 years and discuss other serious issues such as stillbirth & an abusive childhood, without also making a video talking about their mental health. I was simply QUESTIONING his claim based on his track record, the copious information he makes available about himself every day, and the way he approached the subject (a humble-brag post on twitter)

I think awareness and acceptance of mental health issues is very important, and people who don't really suffer claiming that they do based on every day human emotions only confuses people who don't suffer, and undermines people who legitimately do. I guess I think that if Bryan does actually suffer from mental illness,with his platform, he should not be offhandedly tweeting about it on some social media mental health awareness trendy bandwagon day, but should be either actually talking about it, or not mentioning it at all if he doesn't want to be open on the subject.

[onbreak]

Awhhhh sad day. Bryan blocked me on Instagram, you guys ;-; guess I’ll go and cry myself to sleep now!

Why?

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[onbreak]

Robin Williams also had an underlining brain disease..that he was aware he had ..Lewy body dementia.


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[HelloSweetie]

Robin Williams also had an underlining brain disease..that he was aware he had ..Lewy body dementia.


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True, but he had depression for his entire career and became successful for being a funny man regardless. It wasn't debilitating or obvious in any way.