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alexandramarie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:19 am
There are people I “know” that got bullied everywhere they went, would hop from school to school, from friendship group to friendship group and I always felt very sorry that no one treated them well. However, when I grew up I realized that if they were getting “bullied” everywhere they went and had NO real friends they were likely the problem (obviously they are exceptions). Having no friends is a serious red flag to me. I know people who have moved to a different country every year and have friends, people who are socially awkward and “weird” who have friends! Might not be a lot but they still do! And I know people who have been bullied that still have some friends. Basically I’m saying is that there is no real excuse for not having any, and the narrative of Cam constantly being used/ treated badly by people and not doing anything to “deserve it” just doesn’t add up for me.
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I mean, I suppose Cam does have a few friends, it's just that a lot of them are kinda fake and all of them don't live in Florida anyway.
But if they’re fake are they really friends? Also in the sibling tag video she or addi made I can’t remember who her siblings and her literally laughed about how she has no friends
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A lot of people have 'friends' who aren't actually friends and are at best glorified acquaintances/friends of convenience. Especially when they are young. Cam is only 4/5 years younger than me and at her age I thought all the friends I had would be my bffs for life. Now I've realised (and lockdown helped with this) that I need to be a lot more selective about who I actually describe as a friend. It's one of those things you only really learn with age.
As for the 'has no friends' bit. I jokingly say that too but in reality whilst I have only very few actual friends now, they are genuinely wonderful people I know I will have for the rest of my life. Cam probably does have a few good friends but at her age, not being 'friends' with everyone in her facebook friends list probably makes them feel like outcasts.
So... February is over and she didn't bother to stick to her schedule at all. She thinks that 2-3 videos per week are a lot. No, they really aren't if you do this thing once or twice like she intended to do (but of course didn't). Other youtubers take time out of their life to sit down at a desk even for 15 hours daily to film and edit and make videos but she can't do vlogs and post what she promised. I guess Landon's video memorial is long gone by now, of course she won't bother with that. Why would she? Her fits are more important.
By the way, did any of you here watched the first episode of their podcast? I barely made it through the first 18 minutes and I watched those 18 minutes in 4 days. Yes, it is that boring.
On another note: Kate and Ben are quiet, Cam posted a laughable quote on her insta "Don't believe what you are told" blablabla and that's it. Ok, but why would we believe you? If the whole drama revolves around you, it doesn't mean that what you are telling your fans about yourself is true. She will never admit bad things about herself (she isn't that dumb). Reputation is more important than morals for her, even tho her dead husband is in this whole mess too. Until the people that are involved in this (Katie, Ben, Cindy and Landon's friend) won't speak up and NOT LIE, I won't believe Cam either.
She is so mad that some people believe Graham, but why doesn't she make a video about it? Or explain the whole thing? Even if what she will say will be a lie, at least she clears up the air. But staying quiet is really suspicious. And nope, I don't think she is .quiet because she takes care of this legally. The court should give 0 fucks about a YT video that stirs up drama and has 0 evidence on both ends. She is quiet because she was caught red handed and doesn't know what to, hoping it will go away. But it won't. The cat is already out of the bag.
Also, I saw her stepmom take her side in one YT comment. Lol, what does she know about her? I bet that not even Alyssa is aware what kind of daughter she has, she only cares about Coco and Delilah
I think Cam turning off her comments is very telling. She hasn’t even tried to respond to these allegations other than saying don’t believe them and hiring a lawyer. If that was me I’d want to show receipts that I was innocent and prove that they were lying. There’s no reason why she isn’t doing more to prove that the allegations are false. I don’t think they are all false. A lot of it is things that Cam has admitted to in past videos, and she has been going out all the time and showing it off on tik tok. i think we all knew most of these things but to her fans I imagine it’s extremely shocking.
alexandramarie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:19 am
There are people I “know” that got bullied everywhere they went, would hop from school to school, from friendship group to friendship group and I always felt very sorry that no one treated them well. However, when I grew up I realized that if they were getting “bullied” everywhere they went and had NO real friends they were likely the problem (obviously they are exceptions). Having no friends is a serious red flag to me. I know people who have moved to a different country every year and have friends, people who are socially awkward and “weird” who have friends! Might not be a lot but they still do! And I know people who have been bullied that still have some friends. Basically I’m saying is that there is no real excuse for not having any, and the narrative of Cam constantly being used/ treated badly by people and not doing anything to “deserve it” just doesn’t add up for me.
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I agree, it’s not that hard to make friends even if it’s more of an acquaintance you meet up with for lunch/coffee. It’s a red flag that Camryn had to quit the restaurant job she got to make friends at because people had seen her yt videos. It’s odd because even hugely famous people like Ariana Grande have friends so if Camryns trying to say she’s too “yt famous” to make friends it’s more likely she’s just a bad friend. No one wants to be friends with someone who’s cold and bossy and wants all the attention to be on them all the time.
Oh man! Mariah just posted a new video. They were the ones there that night when Landon died and they came to help w the kids. They are corroborating everything about how messed up Cam is.
I’m not really sure what the point of their video was. Everyone knew he didn’t want to do YouTube forever, cam even said he was taking classes for something aka real estate. This girl posted DMs with cam and half of them is her obsessing over cam and messaging her dozens of times before getting a response. I agree with cam in the way that they should’ve talked to her before posting that video. Even now, they posted texts with cam saying Landon abused her and he felt guilty, driving him towards the suicide. I won’t ever understand why these people think it’s okay to blast very personal information about someone who died because “they want to help the family”
This isn’t helping the family or the girls. At all. They want clout and views, that’s it.
How is this them getting clout? They haven't monetized a damn thing and all of Cam's little minions are all over the post bashing them. So they aren't doing this for any of that. Clearly they want the truth to be told. They were close enough to Cam for her to call them over at 3 am when he killed himself... So yeah, the way she treated them after was awful. She didn't want them to go to the funeral because she didn't want them messing up her narrative and FAKE story that their evening was happy before he went and killed himself. I bet the cops would like to know that she is giving varied accounts of how he died.
Personally I believe Graham. She most likely did tell Landon to just go kill himself. I can see her saying something like that. And then he did it. And she doesn't give a crap. She is admittedly living her best life now.
So Landon was being abusive towards Camryn all this time? He held a knife to her throat when she was pregnant? Excuse me bit what? This means that Camryn is a victim is this situation? We all knew Landon didn’t want to continue with youtube anymore, but he’s an adult and he is no better if he was punching the walls and being abusive in a home where his kids and wife lives. The couple had no right to post the personal info. Camryn didn’t want people to know what kind of a person he was, so she kept it a secret. That’s why she lied about the night it happened. Even if Landon was abusive, she respected him to the point where she covered for him. So instead of telling the truth about how they had a fight that night and he ditched her with the dinner to hang out in the garage, she made up a story about a happy family having a bath and putting the kids to bed. Wow, can’t imagine how hard it must have been for her to lie like that even if Landon was being a sh*t to her. Honestly, it doesn’t matter how she told the story. At the end of the day, he took his own life and he’s gone. He was abusive. Does it really matter if they ate a home made meal or mc donalds? He’s gone anyways. What I don’t understand is why he didn’t left Camryn if he was miserable, instead of SLEEPING in the garage and hanging out there while she took care of the kids. Just because he commited suicide doesn’t make him to a hero, he doesn’t deserve all the sympath at all. Not saying he deserved to die at all, but he’s definetly not the person we thought he was. Camryn AND Landon were both in the wrong. Camryn could have handled the situation way better, but what can you do when you have depression, a toddler to take care of alone and pregnant by yourself because your husband is out doing drugs, getting high and getting alcohol poisoning while he’s threatning to kill you? I’m speechless
SouthernBella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:52 pm
Oh man! Mariah just posted a new video. They were the ones there that night when Landon died and they came to help w the kids. They are corroborating everything about how messed up Cam is.
They’re acting so spiteful, they’re definitely only putting the video out because they don’t like how Camryn reacted to their last one. I’m not saying it’s all made up and I’m not saying I don’t believe it but they absolutely had no right to record a phone call then post it online
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also the amount of messages she dm’d Camryn, weirdo behavior
Their whole video is "me me me, us us us!" Justice for Landon my ass. They're just butthurt Cam didn't want to be genuine friends with them, no matter how hard they tried to force it. NOTHING they said in that video was in any way helpful for Landon at all. The exact opposite actually. They tried to bash Cam, but all they really did was show the bad side of Landon that Cam has been trying to hide to protect him and their children.
There is no proof that Landon actually was ever abusive. That is all Cam saying that as a way to make him look bad and to gaslight them into retracting their version of the story. I am not going to say there wasn't violence, but we don't really know WHO was the violent one. It could have very well been her. This IS the psycho who admitted to breaking into his parents house and trashing it with friends in high school. She is a liar and a manipulator and I don't doubt for one second she was the one being abusive and crazed. Of course Landon may have had his issues as well - but everyone I have heard from says he was gentle and mild and she was always berating and putting him down.
I guess none of us will ever know the full truth. The fact is, I don't think these people are wrong for sharing what they knew and experiences with Landon. I find it odd people saying she was stalking Cam. Clearly Cam didn't feel in danger because she had them come watch her kids numerous times. Come on.
At the end of the day, Cam is a liar and is being called out for it. She has made it no better by making videos saying how she is the happiest she's ever been... It is all so dysfunctional. Nobody should be supporting her channel and funding her lifestyle. It is sick to me how many of y'all are just blindly defending her when it is obvious she is so toxic.
I do feel for her children, but honestly, they deserve a normal life. Not one where they're monetized and used... Something Landon hated himself and drove him to kill himself. It is all so tragic.
SouthernBella wrote:There is no proof that Landon actually was ever abusive. That is all Cam saying that as a way to make him look bad and to gaslight them into retracting their version of the story. I am not going to say there wasn't violence, but we don't really know WHO was the violent one. It could have very well been her. This IS the psycho who admitted to breaking into his parents house and trashing it with friends in high school. She is a liar and a manipulator and I don't doubt for one second she was the one being abusive and crazed. Of course Landon may have had his issues as well - but everyone I have heard from says he was gentle and mild and she was always berating and putting him down.
I guess none of us will ever know the full truth. The fact is, I don't think these people are wrong for sharing what they knew and experiences with Landon. I find it odd people saying she was stalking Cam. Clearly Cam didn't feel in danger because she had them come watch her kids numerous times. Come on.
At the end of the day, Cam is a liar and is being called out for it. She has made it no better by making videos saying how she is the happiest she's ever been... It is all so dysfunctional. Nobody should be supporting her channel and funding her lifestyle. It is sick to me how many of y'all are just blindly defending her when it is obvious she is so toxic.
I do feel for her children, but honestly, they deserve a normal life. Not one where they're monetized and used... Something Landon hated himself and drove him to kill himself. It is all so tragic.
Sure there’s no evidence that Landon was abusive but now they have just put that information on the internet. If t was lies cam told them, then they still shouldn’t be telling the internet that because people are going to take that and run with it. Landons name and legacy will be fucked now
Okay so I am not on Camryn's side here by any means but after watching that (really long and painful) video it is evident that:
- Mariah was extremely desperate to be her friend and she came off as believing everything she saw on YouTube and idk how she's not embarrassed to put those screenshots up. Camryn probably wanted friends who would want to get to know HER and not think they already knew everything about her based off of an edited version of her life on yt
- Mariah did everything she said she wasn't going to do. She was like "oh I'm not trying to be your friend because of YouTube but also do you want to collab here's my channel". And then she said Camryn could trust them yet they recorded every message, text, Snapchat message, phone call, etc. She was like "I don't want to creep you out" while blatantly being creepy. So she pretty much gaslit Camryn right to her face
- If Mariah didn't want to be her friend ONLY bc of YouTube WHY did she harass her for months on end? I don't blame Camryn for not opening up to her
- If Mariah and Parker approached them as normal people and not "celebrities" they could have actually been friends with them...even Parker sounded like a fanboy when talking to Landon (not trying to make fun of them but just sayin)
- Mariah made it sound like she was willing to clear her schedule for Camryn/do anything Camryn needed her to do then she complained that Parker had to call out of work twice, just sounds like she's playing both sides of the fence/trying to victimize herself for that
- Not to sound mean but why is attending a funeral during a pandemic so important to these people? Most funerals were private or not held because of COVID. It's not that surprising that they weren't invited, especially since it wasn't local and it was at a private residence and not a public place like a funeral home
- If they wanted to defend Landon they didn't do a great job considering they exposed some violent details no one's ever heard before, and Camryn's fans will surely latch onto that in order to defend her (also weird they didn't recognize this and leave that part out, they could've used some PR tips from Camryn in this case)
Idk I get wanting the "truth" to be out there but this drama is getting kind of tired and I hope Camryn's yt career fades away and people start treating her how she deserves to be treated which is just like everybody else. She should be held accountable and hopefully learn and move on from whatever actually happened, which we truly will never know at this point. I believe these people but Camryn will never admit anything that makes her look like she could be blamed because she is only comfortable being the victim in every single situation in her life.
And one last thing, it annoys me when people use the argument that "Colette and Delilah will see this video one day" they realize they are 1 and 3 right? It would be like 10 years before they could even search the internet and find of this info, if it even still exists by then, surely no one is going to be talking about it then. Hopefully yt will put an end to the teen moms by that time. That argument just gets on my nerves bc people feel so self-righteous saying it when the chance of them seeing this is actually very slim.
here4thedrama wrote:Okay so I am not on Camryn's side here by any means but after watching that (really long and painful) video it is evident that:
- Mariah was extremely desperate to be her friend and she came off as believing everything she saw on YouTube and idk how she's not embarrassed to put those screenshots up. Camryn probably wanted friends who would want to get to know HER and not think they already knew everything about her based off of an edited version of her life on yt
- Mariah did everything she said she wasn't going to do. She was like "oh I'm not trying to be your friend because of YouTube but also do you want to collab here's my channel". And then she said Camryn could trust them yet they recorded every message, text, Snapchat message, phone call, etc. She was like "I don't want to creep you out" while blatantly being creepy. So she pretty much gaslit Camryn right to her face
- If Mariah didn't want to be her friend ONLY bc of YouTube WHY did she harass her for months on end? I don't blame Camryn for not opening up to her
- If Mariah and Parker approached them as normal people and not "celebrities" they could have actually been friends with them...even Parker sounded like a fanboy when talking to Landon (not trying to make fun of them but just sayin)
- Mariah made it sound like she was willing to clear her schedule for Camryn/do anything Camryn needed her to do then she complained that Parker had to call out of work twice, just sounds like she's playing both sides of the fence/trying to victimize herself for that
- Not to sound mean but why is attending a funeral during a pandemic so important to these people? Most funerals were private or not held because of COVID. It's not that surprising that they weren't invited, especially since it wasn't local and it was at a private residence and not a public place like a funeral home
- If they wanted to defend Landon they didn't do a great job considering they exposed some violent details no one's ever heard before, and Camryn's fans will surely latch onto that in order to defend her (also weird they didn't recognize this and leave that part out, they could've used some PR tips from Camryn in this case)
Idk I get wanting the "truth" to be out there but this drama is getting kind of tired and I hope Camryn's yt career fades away and people start treating her how she deserves to be treated which is just like everybody else. She should be held accountable and hopefully learn and move on from whatever actually happened, which we truly will never know at this point. I believe these people but Camryn will never admit anything that makes her look like she could be blamed because she is only comfortable being the victim in every single situation in her life.
And one last thing, it annoys me when people use the argument that "Colette and Delilah will see this video one day" they realize they are 1 and 3 right? It would be like 10 years before they could even search the internet and find of this info, if it even still exists by then, surely no one is going to be talking about it then. Hopefully yt will put an end to the teen moms by that time. That argument just gets on my nerves bc people feel so self-righteous saying it when the chance of them seeing this is actually very slim.
I just finished it and I agree. They keep going on about how he was a great person and they love him but then they told the whole world that Landon was abusive by showing those texts and calls. They are so naive and truly don’t understand how things will be taken and cam was right about that. When she said she would have told them what to cut out, she was right. They haven’t thought this through at all.
That Mariah girl seemed straight up obsessed with Cam in her screenshots talking to her almost everyday with no answer and writing almost a bible to her lol, no wonder cam didn't want to be friend with her...
So what does that say about Cam if you think this girl was obsessed with her? She invited an obsessed chick to watch her children numerous times? Come on. Yes Mariah seemed to really want to be her friend but I think it was a very genuine gesture. She had no ill intent. I just find it funny that the people ragging on Graham for not showing proof, now want to rag on Mariah for showing the receipts. You want proof but then you don't want proof.
The fact of the matter is... Cam is a fake and she is not a good person and she shouldn't be making money on YouTube off of her husband's death and monetizing her kids. YouTube really needs to put an end to this nonsense of teen mom fame. This is a perfect example of everything going wrong. It is sad
All right I've got a few things to say here, especially about everything that's been going on with this new drama.
To the people saying that Graham is doing this for clout: what clout does he gain from 16,000 views? What does he gain from Cam's minions and Stans relentlessly attacking him at every chance they get? When you're posting a video like this it's very risky to lie, especially about things like cheating on your husband and bragging about it, when you don't have proof.
Like polar_bear mentioned, spreading false information against someone with as big of a following as Cam has is social suicide. I personally believe that every word of it is true. He doesn't gain anything from it, the video isn't monetized, and the amount of hate he gets simply from her minions attacking him is enough to drive anyone insane.
It also doesn't help that so many of you are kissing Cam's ass so hard you need a plexiglass belly button to see out of her stomach, or perhaps some wet wipes to wipe all the shit off of your faces. Everyone here has seen the same videos, and has seen how Camryn treated Landon. If we saw that much on camera how much more went on behind the scenes?
To the people attacking Graham's character instead of his arguments: thank you for showing us how much you're willing to kiss Cam's ass to defend her. It's very telling when we all have the same evidence, draw the same conclusions, yet you still find the balls to defend her to your last breath.
Logic and reason have a role to play in this argument. What does he gain from posting lies? What does he gain from exposing Cam? Sure, it might not be his "place" to share this information, but it needs to be shared. Whether or not parts of it are between Landon and Cam, keeping quiet about things like this is absolutely the wrong thing to do, ESPECIALLY when the person involved is able to influence literally millions of young people.
On Cam's end, immediately lawyering up instead of denouncing the video is a MASSIVE red flag. If everything is false, why do you need a lawyer? Why wouldn't you just denounce the video and say "that's not true" and leave it at that? Even better, provide proof that everything is false. With as many Stans and minions as she has, no one's going to believe his video anyways (as we can clearly see from some of the users in this forum).
For everyone saying that sex is a normal coping mechanism: it's not. That's how people end up sitting in rooms, sharing their stories about how they would do anything for the next "hit", to do anything to get their rocks off one more time. There are better ways to cope with losing a loved one, and honestly sex should be the last thing on your mind. I personally would want to treasure my memories of intimacy with my loved one, not tarnish them by going and overwriting those experiences with someone else so soon after their passing. That goes double for Cam, since Landon was her "one and only".
Cam has lied so many times that we cannot trust anything she says. She is the boy who cried wolf, and instead of defending herself, she immediately buries her head and lawyers up. That right there should be the first massive red flag.
Let's not forget that since Landon is dead, Cam and ONLY Cam controls the narrative. Nobody is here to defend Landon or contradict her story, so of course she will make it out to look like she is the victim, Landon was the abuser, and anyone who dares contradict her version of events will have an army of tweens and preteens sent after them. Anyone with two functioning eyes can see she is clearly manipulating the story for her own benefit.
To those of you saying that Landon should have just left: do you realize that Cameron controlled not just his life but the narrative around it too? If he left she would have turned him into a monster, and he would have not been able to find peace on the internet AT ALL. She has literally millions of followers, and you expect him to "just leave", without considering what she would have done to his character and public image. Abusive relationships are not easy to leave, and if you think it's as easy as snapping your fingers, then you've never been in that position. You're acting as if Cam and Landon had equal share in the CamAndFam channel, when in reality she was the influencer and he was her bitch. His way of living depended on her income, not the other way around. That is as warped a power dynamic as I have ever seen, and for you to suggest he can literally up and leave is beyond words. It really shows how far gone you are that you're willing to throw logic and reason to the wind in order to defend her and villainize Landon. And saying that Landon "trapped" Cam with his mental illness is blaming Landon for something he can't control. You can't blame someone for having a mental illness any more than you can blame them for being black or white or Asian. You're born with it, you don't CHOOSE to have it. By suggesting that he used it as leverage over her, you are invalidating everyone with a disability, mental or not, however small.
In the end Landon did what he felt was his only option: to leave permanently. Although it's not a good option, he felt it was the ONLY option, due to the circumstances surrounding him and his life. Honestly, I don't blame him. from what I've seen of Cam, she would have made him out to be an abusive monster, and would have been glad to be rid of him, almost exactly like she is now.
And finally, to the people who think Landon did it to "scare" Cam: how fucking delusional are you? Individuals seeking attention do it to "scare" people. Landon strikes me as the person who would be furthest from seeking attention, especially if he wanted to stop doing YouTube like people suggest. Suicide is the last resort of people who feel they are trapped, and with Landon's inability to stand up for himself, he was most definitely trapped in a toxic relationship ruled by Cam. Am I saying she told him to kill himself? No. However, she most certainly is not without fault here, and contributed to more than her fair share of his troubles.
A lot of people will latch on to one tiny thing I've said in this post, then blow that up and attack it instead of the arguments presented (straw-man attack). That, or they will attack my character, or the character of anyone else who gives the same points I have (ad hominem attack). I believe you do this because you have no valid arguments to respond with, and so you must resort to fabricating arguments in order to justify responding and continuing to defend your position, even when there is mountains of evidence against your position.
The last time this happened, mods had to step in because the Stans that continued to defend their positions couldn't dare handle being wrong, thus continuing to blindly defend Cam and attack those who spoke against them. This is what bred as much toxicity as was here to begin with. Hopefully it somewhat stops now that rottiemama has been involved.
One final note: everyone saying "this is a gossip site!" EXACTLY. This is gossip, whether you like it or not. No one is allowed to gate-keep what is and isn't "gossip" in your eyes, or what is and isn't allowed to be said. Like the mod said, if you want to control the narrative so bad, make a Discord.
Almost dead yesterday, maybe dead tomorrow. Alive, gloriously alive today.
i don’t care if they want to share their story about Cam, and how she treated them, whatever venting is fine... but the way they showed private texts and that phone call where cam spoke of the abuse is disgusting. i don’t know if they did this as justice for landon, or because they’re petty kids because honestly, to me they just painted landon in a shitty light. vent all you want but don’t act like it’s justice lmaooo.
SouthernBella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:40 pm
So what does that say about Cam if you think this girl was obsessed with her? She invited an obsessed chick to watch her children numerous times? Come on. Yes Mariah seemed to really want to be her friend but I think it was a very genuine gesture. She had no ill intent. I just find it funny that the people ragging on Graham for not showing proof, now want to rag on Mariah for showing the receipts. You want proof but then you don't want proof.
The fact of the matter is... Cam is a fake and she is not a good person and she shouldn't be making money on YouTube off of her husband's death and monetizing her kids. YouTube really needs to put an end to this nonsense of teen mom fame. This is a perfect example of everything going wrong. It is sad
But what did she really show proof of? She showed proof that she was desperate for attention from Cam, and she showed proof that Landon was abusive on his meds. Oh and apparently they had McDonald's for dinner. Wow, good for her. That was super necessary for her to prove to the world.
