OKBaby: Screw the Doctor! Vasectomy for Oscar! | Part 34

[sezzajaydee]

Its all a Kyra control thing, I remember years ago Oscar speaking to his grandma in Spanish and Kyras face was so angry that he started responding in English. I feel like he's probably better at Spanish then we think but we don't get to see it cause oh poor Kyra would be left out

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If it is a control thing then it's something she struggles with and has no control over and therefore, shouldn't be judged for

Nope, I will continue to judge her on it. Because she can get help for it, but refuses to. If she was making steps to get help with it, I wouldn't judge her. But she's fine being a dictator, so I'll judge her.

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I’ll judge her too.
Kyra knows she has problems. She’s acknowledged that fact many times. She admits she needs help. But refuses to do it even when she knows therapy helped last time.
She can spend thousands of dollars on handbags and what not but won’t invest in her own mental health. Which would benefit her and her children immensely.

[justsaying]

First off, I want to mention that therapists are no miracle workers. You'll never be able to change your emotions but you can change how you react and how you act on them (possibly changing the intensity of said emotions). Therapy can give you the tools. That doesn't mean you'll never feel horrible, it just means you know how to pull yourself out of it.
So I understand Kyra's logic when she says that even though she still feels miserable sometimes, she picked up enough skills to deal with her issues.
Thing is, I do not agree with her having picked up all the necessary tools. Also life happens and new s*** comes up lol so I strongly believe that she should get help (I also think most people would benefit from therapy - having one competent person to talk your s*** through? hell yeah!)
So yeah, I get that she irrationally feels left out when Oscar speaks Spanish, but she should recognise that that feeling probably stems from abandonment issues and has nothing to do with the current situation and should just stfu

[anonymous04]

I myself struggle with mental health that not only effects me, but also effects others in my day to day life. Everyone experiences mental illness differently but in my case it's one thing to accept the fact that I have a problem and need help and it's another to get it. She's not the one that needs to get her priorities in order and stop buying luxury things and instead invest in her mental health, what she needs is support from her family, especially Oscar, to get her to therapy and to stick with it.

[MiloandMax1]

Even if her family tried to help her she would flip out (we've seen her do just that). She was in therapy which she says helped her so why would she stop? Oh that's right money. Yes mental illness is an illness, but at some point you have to help yourself and she admits to having a problem but doesn't want to pay for therapy. There are no excuses when they have the money, she just would rather buy stuff.

[justsaying]

I myself struggle with mental health that not only effects me, but also effects others in my day to day life. Everyone experiences mental illness differently but in my case it's one thing to accept the fact that I have a problem and need help and it's another to get it. She's not the one that needs to get her priorities in order and stop buying luxury things and instead invest in her mental health, what she needs is support from her family, especially Oscar, to get her to therapy and to stick with it.

Yeah, I know what you mean and you are definitely right. I've also been suffering from OCD since I was around 10 years old and I know how hard it was seeking help for the very first time when I was 18 and how hard it's been to continue to do so. I stopped therapy for a couple of years because I felt that we were running in circles and I was putting off getting help again when I knew it was getting worse again. Eventually it got so bad that I had to go back on the meds & therapy but yeah, it's been though. And I am very sorry that you suffer from it too :/

so the people in her life should definitely watch out more for her mental health but her being a mother of 4 now she should really start looking after herself. And it's just upsetting when she comes up with lame excuses like it being too expensive when we've seen her LV collection. She chose to be a mother and she chose to make her life public so not only do her actions impact her family but maybe also her viewers.

Long stort short, I feel sorry for her that she struggles with mental health but in the position she has put herself in (being a mother, being a "public figure") I expect more of her than lame excuses

[MiloandMax1]

The problem with influencers is they tend to talk about mental health like its a trend. I think it needs to be talked about and give props to those that are willing to do so (and to those that aren't that is ok to). The issue for me is Kyra will use it when she needs to but refuses to get help or says that therapy helped but she is cured... Only to use it again. I actually feel bad for Kyra. We had similar childhoods (both raised by our dad). I do think if therapy was helping her which she says it was she shouldn't stop and then use the excuses. I also don't think it is Oscar (not a fan of him especially lately) or anyone else's place to get her into therapy. Afterall one of her issues is control and someone even bringing it up will push her even more to not do it. You also can't force someone to get therapy. That has to be Kyra's choice.

I really hope for the sake of the kids Kyra does have a change of heart. Especially for her girls. As much as I would be happy with a daughter I always was worried I wouldn't have a mother/daughter bond like I see so many of my friends having because of how I grew up, again similar to Kyra. It just breaks my heart how she talks about Alaya.

I also wish she would stop making jokes about therapy for her and Oscar. There are couples watching that go to therapy and hearing her make the jokes that they'll just go to therapy when we all know they wont is a slap in the face for those that do try to better themselves and relationships.

[remre1017]

The problem with influencers is they tend to talk about mental health like its a trend. I think it needs to be talked about and give props to those that are willing to do so (and to those that aren't that is ok to). The issue for me is Kyra will use it when she needs to but refuses to get help or says that therapy helped but she is cured... Only to use it again. I actually feel bad for Kyra. We had similar childhoods (both raised by our dad). I do think if therapy was helping her which she says it was she shouldn't stop and then use the excuses. I also don't think it is Oscar (not a fan of him especially lately) or anyone else's place to get her into therapy. Afterall one of her issues is control and someone even bringing it up will push her even more to not do it. You also can't force someone to get therapy. That has to be Kyra's choice.

I really hope for the sake of the kids Kyra does have a change of heart. Especially for her girls. As much as I would be happy with a daughter I always was worried I wouldn't have a mother/daughter bond like I see so many of my friends having because of how I grew up, again similar to Kyra. It just breaks my heart how she talks about Alaya.

I also wish she would stop making jokes about therapy for her and Oscar. There are couples watching that go to therapy and hearing her make the jokes that they'll just go to therapy when we all know they wont is a slap in the face for those that do try to better themselves and relationships.

This. All of this.
I also had a difficult relationship with my mom growing up and luckily my dad was able to raise me and my brother the best that he could without her. But you better fucking bet the minute I find out I’m pregnant with whatever gender, I’m going to cherish every minute of it. Her relationship with her mom is no excuse as to why she treats her daughters “like dirt” (quoting her from her Instagram fight with oskie oops lol).

I went to therapy once and after a few weeks it started feeling like a chore and I felt uncomfortable going. But it was because I didn’t want to get to the deep root of my issues. Maybe money is just Kyras excuse. She went to therapy for a couple of sessions and felt like she was okay and didn’t need to spend more money going. But what she NEEDS to be doing is going to therapy not just for her OCD that she claims to have (I say this because I personally do not think she has OCD. I think she has severe anxiety but again that’s just my opinion) but also for her past trauma we all know she has.

I definitely think her and Oscar also need couples therapy. They won’t last once baby Ruebella gets past the age of 6 months and their family gets sick of them coming over every weekend.


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[MiloandMax1]

I also think they need couples therapy, but do it and not joke about it. They blamed Alaya and the old house (the first in Utah) for their problems. Never will take responsibility for their own actions (and I'm saying both). They've admitted they needed people to live with them so they wouldn't fight and now that they are in Cali they visit a grandparent every weekend because they can't seem to take care of their 4 kids.

[anonymous04]

Even if her family tried to help her she would flip out (we've seen her do just that). She was in therapy which she says helped her so why would she stop? Oh that's right money. Yes mental illness is an illness, but at some point you have to help yourself and she admits to having a problem but doesn't want to pay for therapy. There are no excuses when they have the money, she just would rather buy stuff.

That's not reason enough to not help her.
I see your point but I'm going to have to agree to disagree as only Kyra knows what is actually going on inside her head.

[anonymous04]

I myself struggle with mental health that not only effects me, but also effects others in my day to day life. Everyone experiences mental illness differently but in my case it's one thing to accept the fact that I have a problem and need help and it's another to get it. She's not the one that needs to get her priorities in order and stop buying luxury things and instead invest in her mental health, what she needs is support from her family, especially Oscar, to get her to therapy and to stick with it.

Yeah, I know what you mean and you are definitely right. I've also been suffering from OCD since I was around 10 years old and I know how hard it was seeking help for the very first time when I was 18 and how hard it's been to continue to do so. I stopped therapy for a couple of years because I felt that we were running in circles and I was putting off getting help again when I knew it was getting worse again. Eventually it got so bad that I had to go back on the meds & therapy but yeah, it's been though. And I am very sorry that you suffer from it too :/

so the people in her life should definitely watch out more for her mental health but her being a mother of 4 now she should really start looking after herself. And it's just upsetting when she comes up with lame excuses like it being too expensive when we've seen her LV collection. She chose to be a mother and she chose to make her life public so not only do her actions impact her family but maybe also her viewers.

Long stort short, I feel sorry for her that she struggles with mental health but in the position she has put herself in (being a mother, being a "public figure") I expect more of her than lame excuses

First of all, thank you and I'm sorry you suffer from mental illness too.

Like I said in one of my other replies to someone else, only Kyra knows what's going on inside her head so yeah maybe she is just being ignorant when it comes to mental illness or maybe there's something more going on.

I definitely see your point and it's definitely possible that it is her fault (as sad as that may sound) but I like to remain open minded.

[jazzhello_1]

Its all a Kyra control thing, I remember years ago Oscar speaking to his grandma in Spanish and Kyras face was so angry that he started responding in English. I feel like he's probably better at Spanish then we think but we don't get to see it cause oh poor Kyra would be left out

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If it is a control thing then it's something she struggles with and has no control over and therefore, shouldn't be judged for

But mental illnesses shouldn't be used as an excuse for her being manipulative.

[MiloandMax1]

Kyra is just as manipulative to her family as she is her subscribers. She knows what she is doing. Like they say most of these Youtubers are narcissistic people, just happens that both her and Oscar are both like that. She knows what pays the bills, when views drop turn it up and get sympathy. I do think she has issues but I don't feel bad for her in the sense she has so many options and the money to get help. I do feel bad for other reasons but she said herself therapy was helping so she should have continued. As far as being in her head I'm glad I'm not. Keep feeling sorry for her, that's what she wants. I feel bad for the kids especially her 3 daughter's. And I'm here for it when Aura isn't a baby anymore

[anonymous04]

Its all a Kyra control thing, I remember years ago Oscar speaking to his grandma in Spanish and Kyras face was so angry that he started responding in English. I feel like he's probably better at Spanish then we think but we don't get to see it cause oh poor Kyra would be left out

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If it is a control thing then it's something she struggles with and has no control over and therefore, shouldn't be judged for

But mental illnesses shouldn't be used as an excuse for her being manipulative.

It actually can

[jazzhello_1]

If it is a control thing then it's something she struggles with and has no control over and therefore, shouldn't be judged for

But mental illnesses shouldn't be used as an excuse for her being manipulative.

It actually can

No. It can be used to explain a behaviour, but it shouldn't be used to excuse a behaviour. It still doesn't make it right.

[lmmomSD]

And the way she just accepts that she's going to have a shitty relationship with her daughters because she has issues with her own mom isn't ok. It's not like it's their destiny or something like that. She can change it and break that cycle if she wants to. But she just acts as though there's nothing to be done
As far as I know I don't suffer from mental illness, so I don't know how harshly to judge her. My daughter seems to be having anxiety issues that really came to a head this year; and she obsesses over things that she can't control. But she hates feeling that way, so she is very motivated to get help. But we've also never stigmatized getting therapy in our family.

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[MiloandMax1]

And she has a good relationship with Levi so its not that she can't do that with the girls.

[justsaying]

For me a lot of what you are all saying is true at the same time.

Kyra needs help.
Getting help is hard, even if you've already sought out help before.
Therapy is work. It is exhausting but you can also get into a rut and think you are not getting any additional benefit out of it (think of changing your therapist in that case)
I feel sorry for everyone who struggles with mental health, also Kyra
I wish everyone a person/people in their life who have an eye on their mental health - more than Oscar and Korina seem to be doing.

But also:
When you have 4 children you have to own up to the responsibility that you took on. Having your children's best interest at heart also means taking care after yourself.
Same goes for seeking out an audience. Those youtubers are called influencers for a reason. They influence their audience so they should be responsible about what they are saying.
Lame excuses are not fooling anyone.
Her issues explain her behaviour but are not an excuse per se.

So I think it's not all black and white - for me all those things are true. At the end of the day you can only help yourself and you have to get to that point on your own. But having support definitely makes it oh so much easier (may it be family, friends, therapy,..), so whatever Kyra needs to get there, I hope she'll get there fast for the sake of her children.

[MiloandMax1]

Korinna annoys me. Sorry not sorry. I used to like her so I'm not sure what changed. Maybe how she is with Levi and treats the girls

[lmmomSD]

For me a lot of what you are all saying is true at the same time.

Kyra needs help.
Getting help is hard, even if you've already sought out help before.
Therapy is work. It is exhausting but you can also get into a rut and think you are not getting any additional benefit out of it (think of changing your therapist in that case)
I feel sorry for everyone who struggles with mental health, also Kyra
I wish everyone a person/people in their life who have an eye on their mental health - more than Oscar and Korina seem to be doing.

But also:
When you have 4 children you have to own up to the responsibility that you took on. Having your children's best interest at heart also means taking care after yourself.
Same goes for seeking out an audience. Those youtubers are called influencers for a reason. They influence their audience so they should be responsible about what they are saying.
Lame excuses are not fooling anyone.
Her issues explain her behaviour but are not an excuse per se.

So I think it's not all black and white - for me all those things are true. At the end of the day you can only help yourself and you have to get to that point on your own. But having support definitely makes it oh so much easier (may it be family, friends, therapy,..), so whatever Kyra needs to get there, I hope she'll get there fast for the sake of her children.

Very well said.

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[TopazBlues]

I think her view on daughter/mother relationships is sort of strange compared to what I have heard from other women who have fractured relationships with their mothers. I hear quite a few young mothers in particular, really crave a healthy and strong relationship with a daughter. They usually have kids to try and be what they didn't have.