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ewokfan11 wrote:Oh...the fake drama! They need to chill the EFF out. You'd think the doctor told her she needed a hysterectomy!
I still don't understand the rush for clickbait baby #2. Kelsey is going to be super overwhelmed with two small kids. I sort of get the feeling she just needs to be doing "something" because they are bored and no longer have the means to travel. Well, and Corbin needs more clickbait now that the house is almost theirs.
The comment section is lit with people telling her to GO TO A REAL DOCTOR. Which is what she should have done from the start. I'm not sorry, but Kelsey is dumb as rocks.
And also telling her to contact Ellie. That makes me laugh because she’s not going to an endocrinologist, just someone who is giving who knows what.
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Ellie? That's hilarious. That would be the blind leading the blind. Ellie knows nothing about how her body works. And like you said, she isn't going to a reproductive endocrinologist, much less a regular endocrinologist. She is seeing a scammy chiropractor!
Yes, the "talk to Ellie" comments are so ridiculous. I stopped watching Ellie and Jared because Ellie is beyond dumb and Jared is still pretending he's not gay.
Kelsey needs to go to a real doctor. End. Of. Story. (But they need clickbait, so it will NEVER end.)
She still doesn’t know what progesterone does and why she is getting it tested. She just sounds so clueless when talking about the female cycle. She could barely string a sentence together when talking about the test before she even got the results. I love that Corbin thought "interesting findings" meant she could be pregnant. And Kelsey had to inform him it was a progesterone test, not a pregnancy test. "Is it maybe because you feel you could find out your pregnant right now?" He is just as clueless.
I agree that a progesterone of zero is worrisome- it should still be detectable in the first half of your menstrual cycle even before it peaks after ovulation in the second part of your cycle. And while she may be one of those women who have very low progesterone levels while breastfeeding and therefore a hard time getting pregnant, if she's seen the return of her period, her levels shouldn't be at zero. While I choose to see an OBGYN, and while I think the midwife's diet recommendations aren't something I would personally follow, I don't understand why everyone is bashing the midwife in the comments section. Sure, get a second opinion. But so far I haven't heard them repeat anything from the midwife that sounds wrong. Again, I don't know if I believe refined sugars play a role in progesterone, but she wasn't only recommending diet changes. She was ordering her supplemental progesterone as well. The ironic things is the same people telling her to go see a "real doctor" are often the ones who are also recommending Ellie and Jared. Ellie sees a chiropractor, not an endocrinologist.
She made it very clear when they had their daughter that her cycles are highly irregular. That doesn't make her infertile, it just means it may take a little more time and they may need to track ovulation closely because she likely doesn't ovulate regularly. People with PCOS can and do get pregnant all the time, for example. Not saying she definitely has PCOS, she would need to have more testing to diagnosis something like that. The lack of progesterone alone explains the irregularity, mid-cycle spotting and lack of a positive ovulation test, whether that's a piece of a more complicated endocrine disorder like PCOS is unknown. The midwife obviously doesn't see it as an infertility diagnosis, she was very upbeat and positive, but Kelsey's take away is "basically I can't get pregnant" without supplemental progesterone.
My theory is that Kelsey was very familiar with her history of irregular periods and suspected something, but she doesn't have the desire or mental capacity to research and understand what an endocrine disorder is on her own. It took them over four years to get pregnant with their daughter while they were likely using some nonsense "pull-out" method. She's anxious to have a second, so she takes that info to a new midwife and the midwife takes that background information on her long cycles and mid-cycle spotting and agrees that testing could be helpful. They decide to paint this as "infertility." Notice how Kelsey wasn't wiping away her tears or trying to hide the fact that she was crying the way most people do when they're emotional. She wanted to makes sure everyone saw it and let the tears stay put. It's never fun to learn you need medical help to get pregnant, but this was such a performance from the get-go. The emphasis on "we don't know how long it took us to get pregnant," the "implantation spotting, I must be pregnant" nonsense, the convenient amnesia about her irregular periods, the testing after a whopping three months of trying, etc.
Good lord. They really are so fucking clueless. I have PCOS. I have to take progesterone before and during pregnancy to a certain point to get and maintain my pregnancy. It is not the end of the world. She has just come off an IUD she is still nursing, she knows nothing of her body. This is a woman who boasted about being able to tell when she was ovulating and now she is clueless to everything. Corbin is a complete fucking idiot. He has no clue how to offer comfort at all he is sitting there all dopey and joking while his wife (be it ridiculous) is acting like she was just told she is infertile.
She needs to got to a real doctor and have testing done if she is this worried. Not some chick who told you go keto and take progesterone and you will be pregnant in no time. These two I just can't.
HashtagBlessed wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:09 am
I don't understand why everyone is bashing the midwife in the comments section. Sure, get a second opinion. But so far I haven't heard them repeat anything from the midwife that sounds wrong. Again, I don't know if I believe refined sugars play a role in progesterone, but she wasn't only recommending diet changes. She was ordering her supplemental progesterone as well. The ironic things is the same people telling her to go see a "real doctor" are often the ones who are also recommending Ellie and Jared. Ellie sees a chiropractor, not an endocrinologist.
I also don't understand the midwife bashing. Kelsey is not seeing a lay midwife but a certified nurse midwife. A CNM is a highly specialized professional certification which requires a Master's degree and just as much schooling as getting an MD. While it would benefit Kelsey to see an endocrinologist now that she knows there might be an issue, her starting with the midwife was fine. It would be just the same as getting a referral to an endo doctor from an OBGYN, or taking basic health advice from a general practitioner. Plus, most doctors would have their patients try certain things to see if they worked before sending them off to a specialist immediately anyway, unless they had a clear diagnosis that required a specialist's intervention right away.
Wouldn’t wish infertility on anyone, it’s heartbreaking but didn’t she want this? She said she wanted the excitement of taking pregnancy tests and not knowing. Well.. there you go Kelsey, you didn’t get pregnant on the first try so you didn’t miss out this time (eye roll). I hope now she sees why saying that was so ridiculous. I honestly think she will get pregnant soon.. like someone said above, now they can use the “miracle pregnancy” clickbait.
I am not a fan of the midwife route because it seems to be she is trying to get specialized information and needs to see a specialist. Her midwife seems to be pandering to her and not just telling her she just started trying.
Also, they're already starting their bullshit liked they did last time with the midwife. The anti epidural bullshit because it can be harmful which is something the natural hippie dippy people on every pregnancy board I have been in spout. When Corbin asks about the progesterone he scoffs "you mean synthetic! " as if that is not something they want to do. Like they did with the epidural and the pitocin.
They're morons and need a real doctor not one that prescribes to all the earth mother bullshit because it feeds to these morons egos.
HashtagBlessed wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:09 am
I don't understand why everyone is bashing the midwife in the comments section. Sure, get a second opinion. But so far I haven't heard them repeat anything from the midwife that sounds wrong. Again, I don't know if I believe refined sugars play a role in progesterone, but she wasn't only recommending diet changes. She was ordering her supplemental progesterone as well. The ironic things is the same people telling her to go see a "real doctor" are often the ones who are also recommending Ellie and Jared. Ellie sees a chiropractor, not an endocrinologist.
I also don't understand the midwife bashing. Kelsey is not seeing a lay midwife but a certified nurse midwife. A CNM is a highly specialized professional certification which requires a Master's degree and just as much schooling as getting an MD. While it would benefit Kelsey to see an endocrinologist now that she knows there might be an issue, her starting with the midwife was fine. It would be just the same as getting a referral to an endo doctor from an OBGYN, or taking basic health advice from a general practitioner. Plus, most doctors would have their patients try certain things to see if they worked before sending them off to a specialist immediately anyway, unless they had a clear diagnosis that required a specialist's intervention right away.
The comments are insane. People telling her the midwife sounds like she doesn't know what she's talking about, that it's just because of her IUD, or the stress of buying a house, etc. A copper IUD doesn't cause low progesterone. It causes an inflammatory response in the uterus and that's why many women experience heavy bleeding initially and spotting after getting it out. But if her lab results are correct, her spotting is probably caused by her progesterone levels (or lack thereof) and not the IUD.
I agree that a reproductive endocrinologist who specializes in hormone imbalances might be a good next step. The CNM is reading a lab result, the same lab that an OBGYN or general practitioner could have ordered and read. The recommended diet changes may be a more natural or "holistic" approach that's unique to a midwife, but she ordered the synthetic progesterone as well. A progesterone reading of zero is still outside the normal range and would be cause for concern/intervention from a "real doctor." She might want to do more tests, or repeat the progesterone test with a specialist, but that doesn't mean the lack of progesterone isn't a problem. She could have an underlining problem that is causing the lack of progesterone, like inadequate follicle development. In that case, progesterone supplementation won't be enough. I did have to laugh at the double-take Corbin did at the mention of the word "vegetables."
HashtagBlessed wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:09 am
I don't understand why everyone is bashing the midwife in the comments section. Sure, get a second opinion. But so far I haven't heard them repeat anything from the midwife that sounds wrong. Again, I don't know if I believe refined sugars play a role in progesterone, but she wasn't only recommending diet changes. She was ordering her supplemental progesterone as well. The ironic things is the same people telling her to go see a "real doctor" are often the ones who are also recommending Ellie and Jared. Ellie sees a chiropractor, not an endocrinologist.
I also don't understand the midwife bashing. Kelsey is not seeing a lay midwife but a certified nurse midwife. A CNM is a highly specialized professional certification which requires a Master's degree and just as much schooling as getting an MD. While it would benefit Kelsey to see an endocrinologist now that she knows there might be an issue, her starting with the midwife was fine. It would be just the same as getting a referral to an endo doctor from an OBGYN, or taking basic health advice from a general practitioner. Plus, most doctors would have their patients try certain things to see if they worked before sending them off to a specialist immediately anyway, unless they had a clear diagnosis that required a specialist's intervention right away.
Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. CNM's are often better than MD's in my opinion, because nursing has a more holistic approach generally. And because they're often women to begin with, which I always found helpful with female problems. And a CNM is plenty educated. If she really wants to be screened for infertility, the CNM can certainly point her in the right direction and then send her to a reproductive endocrinologist if more in depth testing and treatment is necessary.
Personal, so scroll down if you like: I went to a male RE for my endometriosis and I was in incredible pain and frustrated, and started crying in his exam room. He didn't know what to do. He just kinda ineffectually patted me on the shoulder and said "I assure you, everything will be all right". I always wondered why a man who didn't know what to do when confronted with a crying woman went into reproductive endocrinology. I didn't go back to him.
We have to remember that we never heard the midwife actually explain her test results at all. Kelsey hung up the phone and said "basically I have zero"—which could just be her interpretation of the results and she's definitely not an expert. And "basically" could mean anything. They only put it on speaker at the end. I also thought it was weird that her phone screen was dark when she answered it and while she was speaking...my iPhone screen usually doesn't go dark while I'm talking on the phone.
All this TTC crap seems to happen any time a YTer is trying to get pregnant. It gets annoying. Freaking Carlie Butler was PREGNANT and still doing the "we only have a 1% chance" videos. Ellie and her pretend pregnancy. Those Sam and Mia people faking pregnancy and miscarriage.
fossilfinger wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:29 pm
I also don't understand the midwife bashing. Kelsey is not seeing a lay midwife but a certified nurse midwife. A CNM is a highly specialized professional certification which requires a Master's degree and just as much schooling as getting an MD.
What makes you think that? Has she actually said that in a vlog? I think she's just seeing some hippie-ish certified professional midwife.
fossilfinger wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:29 pm
I also don't understand the midwife bashing. Kelsey is not seeing a lay midwife but a certified nurse midwife. A CNM is a highly specialized professional certification which requires a Master's degree and just as much schooling as getting an MD.
What makes you think that? Has she actually said that in a vlog? I think she's just seeing some hippie-ish certified professional midwife.
Because lay midwives aren't qualified to work in clinical settings, remove IUD's, and order blood tests, AFAIK.
fossilfinger wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:29 pm
I also don't understand the midwife bashing. Kelsey is not seeing a lay midwife but a certified nurse midwife. A CNM is a highly specialized professional certification which requires a Master's degree and just as much schooling as getting an MD.
What makes you think that? Has she actually said that in a vlog? I think she's just seeing some hippie-ish certified professional midwife.
Because lay midwives aren't qualified to work in clinical settings, remove IUD's, and order blood tests, AFAIK.
Or order meds. If she is actually on progesterone, she had to have it ordered by a CNM.
And definitely, all the nice things I said about CNMs don't apply to lay midwives. I know there must be some good ones, but I saw the results of hippie Texas Hill Country uncertified midwives in the PICU...
HashtagBlessed wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:09 am
I don't understand why everyone is bashing the midwife in the comments section. Sure, get a second opinion. But so far I haven't heard them repeat anything from the midwife that sounds wrong. Again, I don't know if I believe refined sugars play a role in progesterone, but she wasn't only recommending diet changes. She was ordering her supplemental progesterone as well. The ironic things is the same people telling her to go see a "real doctor" are often the ones who are also recommending Ellie and Jared. Ellie sees a chiropractor, not an endocrinologist.
I also don't understand the midwife bashing. Kelsey is not seeing a lay midwife but a certified nurse midwife. A CNM is a highly specialized professional certification which requires a Master's degree and just as much schooling as getting an MD. While it would benefit Kelsey to see an endocrinologist now that she knows there might be an issue, her starting with the midwife was fine. It would be just the same as getting a referral to an endo doctor from an OBGYN, or taking basic health advice from a general practitioner. Plus, most doctors would have their patients try certain things to see if they worked before sending them off to a specialist immediately anyway, unless they had a clear diagnosis that required a specialist's intervention right away.
The comments are insane. People telling her the midwife sounds like she doesn't know what she's talking about, that it's just because of her IUD, or the stress of buying a house, etc. A copper IUD doesn't cause low progesterone. It causes an inflammatory response in the uterus and that's why many women experience heavy bleeding initially and spotting after getting it out. But if her lab results are correct, her spotting is probably caused by her progesterone levels (or lack thereof) and not the IUD.
I agree that a reproductive endocrinologist who specializes in hormone imbalances might be a good next step. The CNM is reading a lab result, the same lab that an OBGYN or general practitioner could have ordered and read. The recommended diet changes may be a more natural or "holistic" approach that's unique to a midwife, but she ordered the synthetic progesterone as well. A progesterone reading of zero is still outside the normal range and would be cause for concern/intervention from a "real doctor." She might want to do more tests, or repeat the progesterone test with a specialist, but that doesn't mean the lack of progesterone isn't a problem. She could have an underlining problem that is causing the lack of progesterone, like inadequate follicle development. In that case, progesterone supplementation won't be enough. I did have to laugh at the double-take Corbin did at the mention of the word "vegetables."
I think the issue is that they think the idea of diet change, etc. is wacky, but didn’t listen to (or understand) the reasoning behind it.
There are many reasons why her progesterone could be so low, and without further tests (and, realistically, seeing an endocrinologist or at least an OBGYN), they’re really jumping to conclusions by assuming it means Kelsey will have a lot of trouble getting pregnant. After all, June was a relatively unplanned pregnancy, and she had no complications at all with that pregnancy, and they’ve only been half arse-ing TTC for like 2 months
I’m really thinking that Kelsey told him that she doesn’t want to go along with this “infertility “ track he was trying to play up. He got 20k views on that car video and now she’s put a stop to it.
So after all that she’s now saying she’s not going to take the progesterone that was called in for her. She spent hours researching (yet doesn’t know the side effects), going to start taking prenatal (thought she already was), eat healthy fats, modified keto diet and not worry until some of the stress is gone.
Duh.... stress!!!! You think? No home, no real income, shuffling between family (who it seems don’t get along), the house buying situation, this storyline they’ve started, that supposed trip to Costa Rica and most of all CORBIN!
Wonder how ticked off he is that she’s flat out saying she’s not going to worry about it for a few months until things settle down. She’s pretty much stopping his multiple clickbait vlogs for a few months. He must be fuming!
She kept looking at something or someone. Wonder if it was Corbin pouting in the corner?
jmoysa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:34 am
I’m really thinking that Kelsey told him that she doesn’t want to go along with this “infertility “ track he was trying to play up. He got 20k views on that car video and now she’s put a stop to it.
So after all that she’s now saying she’s not going to take the progesterone that was called in for her. She spent hours researching (yet doesn’t know the side effects), going to start taking prenatal (thought she already was), eat healthy fats, modified keto diet and not worry until some of the stress is gone.
Duh.... stress!!!! You think? No home, no real income, shuffling between family (who it seems don’t get along), the house buying situation, this storyline they’ve started, that supposed trip to Costa Rica and most of all CORBIN!
Wonder how ticked off he is that she’s flat out saying she’s not going to worry about it for a few months until things settle down. She’s pretty much stopping his multiple clickbait vlogs for a few months. He must be fuming!
She kept looking at something or someone. Wonder if it was Corbin pouting in the corner?
Nah, she said almost the exact same thing a few weeks ago...she's stressed, was just going to wait and not worry about getting pregnant. Then a week later she was freaking out about spotting and running to the midwife and setting up the blood test and blah, blah, blah. Now she's back to not trying again? Make up your damn mind!
I don't believe anything they say anymore. I give then a week until the next baby clickbait video.
Also, I get that they are in a stressful situation, but she has Corbin around to help her out (physically and mentally). I think the fact she's SO stressed makes me think Corbin is a shitty husband/partner. I'm guessing there is a lot going on BTS that's really the cause of her stress.
I know everyone has a different perspective on this, but I don't understand when people are TTC and share every detail of it with everyone. I feel like that would make it even more stressful, especially if one partner is more on board than the other. It also creates the expectation that the couple is going to conceive soon, making it even more painful to wield comments from those who know if it takes them awhile to conceive. Obviously it brings in money for YouTube, but this is also their real life, so why would they want to put all this out there?
Again a whole boring chat vlog seriously the wanderers went from wandering to the opposite side of watching paint dry! Today miss stess and woe is thine, came across as passive aggressive to the viewers! Though she said there was a flood of good wishers, come on lady hardly anyone comments any more liar! She had this manner that it was more a flood of people telling her off!
Again a whole boring chat vlog seriously the wanderers went from wandering to the opposite side of watching paint dry! Today miss stess and woe is thine, came across as passive aggressive to the viewers! Though she said there was a flood of good wishers, come on lady hardly anyone comments any more liar! She had this manner that it was more a flood of people telling her off!
Plus, with all this TTC stuff, aren't they still putting out the narrative that they are going to Puerto Rico? And the CDC still says that Zika is a risk for pregnant women traveling to Puerto Rico and doesn't recommend it.
I commented yesterday saying something along the lines of "isn't this what you wanted? You thought you missed out with June that it happened so easily, and you thought it'd be fun to track and get negative tests. It's so fun right?" But I knew they would never approve it. What bugs me is that she plays this hippy dippy all natural organic granola mom, but she is so dumb. She doesn't know what anything is or what it does, but she knows the act to play to appear to be that person. Same thing with her "women power" bullshit. She knows how to sound like she's acting the part, but doesn't really live it. Anyway, hopefully they're getting a bunch of comments behind the scenes that are making them rethink their "infertility" plot line.
